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| otherone4life |
This can't be good. Of course, 2.2 million exiles is barely mentioned. Heckuva Job W!
Insurgent Group Announces Truce With Al-Qaeda in Iraq
By John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, June 7, 2007; A22
BAGHDAD, June 6 -- A Sunni insurgent group that waged a deadly street battle last week against the rival group al-Qaeda in Iraq in a Sunni neighborhood of west Baghdad announced Wednesday that the two forces had declared a cease-fire.
The Islamic Army of Iraq, a more moderate and secular Sunni group, said it had reached the cease-fire with al-Qaeda in Iraq because the groups did not want to spill Muslim blood or damage "the project of jihad."
Last week, the two groups fought for several days in the Sunni neighborhood of Amiriyah, leaving about 30 of their fighters dead. Residents of the neighborhood and leaders from the Islamic Army, which reportedly is made up of mostly Sunnis from the disbanded army of Saddam Hussein, said they had risen up against al-Qaeda in Iraq because it was imposing strict rules on the neighborhood and killing fellow Sunnis without evidence of wrongdoing.
In a statement posted on the Internet, the Islamic Army said the groups had agreed to end all military operations against each other, stop criticizing each other in the media, and stop taking prisoners. The groups would create "a judicial committee" to resolve differences, the statement said.
Meanwhile, a recent rash of kidnappings in Iraq reportedly continued Wednesday with the abduction of a Catholic priest, the Rev. Hani Abdel Ahad, and five boys in northeast Baghdad, according to the Catholic news service AsiaNews. They were grabbed as they were on the way to a local seminary, the agency reported.
The kidnappings followed the shooting deaths Sunday of a Catholic priest, the Rev. Ragheed Ganni, 31, and three of his assistants when their car was ambushed by gunmen a short distance from the church where they had just conducted Mass in the northern city of Mosul. Pope Benedict XVI called the killings "senseless."
The U.S. military announced the deaths of four soldiers. Three were killed Wednesday -- one by a roadside bomb in Baiji, about 125 miles north of Baghdad, another by an explosion in Diyala province north of the capital, and the third by a roadside bomb in eastern Baghdad, the military said in statements. A fourth soldier was killed by small-arms fire Tuesday in Diyala.
In other violence, two car bombs exploded near each other and about two minutes apart Wednesday morning near a revered Shiite shrine in Baghdad, killing seven people and wounding 25, police said. At least 17 others were killed and 13 wounded in mortar attacks, drive-by shootings and other violence across the country, according to an Interior Ministry official who was not allowed to be quoted by name. In addition, he said, police in Baghdad had found 27 bodies, all shot in the head and bearing signs of torture.
On Tuesday, the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees reported from its headquarters in Geneva that more than 4.2 million Iraqis had been forced from their homes by violence in Iraq, including about 2 million who had been displaced inside the country and about 2.2 million who had fled as refugees to neighboring countries.
The U.N. agency said about 1.4 million fled to Syria, as many as 750,000 to Jordan, 80,000 to Egypt and about 200,000 to the Persian Gulf region. Syria receives at least 30,000 Iraqis a month, UNHCR reported. |
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| Stonewall |
Until he was killed recently, the "military" commander of the Islamic Army of Iraq was an Al Qaeda member. So, these two do get along despite occasional warfare among them.
The Sunni's in Iraq have a much better deal when dealing with Al Qaeda than they do with the United States. We are trying to run away from that fight and we are in the beginning stages of that end. The Sunni's cannot run away and Al Qaeda does not know how to run away. They retreat but never will they ever allow victory to the U.S.. And thus the Sunni of Iraq are facing a Shia war at the very least. It would do them no good to fight Al Qaeda and the Shia. That would surely lead to their destruction.
Everyone knows that America will run from this fight. Regardless of whatever excuse we choose to use to do so. The enemy don't care why we run as long as they are doing the chasing. |
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| otherone4life |
| But the bullshit from the right wing said that the sunnis had turned on al qaeda so stop excusing it. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by otherone4life
But the bullshit from the right wing said that the sunnis had turned on al qaeda so stop excusing it. |
But? I don't care?
Actually I do not listen to politicians on this subject anymore than I do their views on the Constitution or anything else.
I have my opinion, and that is all I can offer. I never take a stance because a side has decided upon an issue and thus it is my opinion. It'll never happen.
When the "right" or "left" agrees with me then more power to them... :) |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by StoneTroll
When the "right" or "left" agrees with me then more power to them... :) |
The voices in your own head don't even agree with you.
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
The voices in your own head don't even agree with you.
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I do my best with you... It is not my fault you do not take my counsel... You would od well to do so.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA...
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stumpy
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA... |
The laughter of a delusional schizo is always poignant...
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Until he was killed recently, the "military" commander of the Islamic Army of Iraq was an Al Qaeda member. So, these two do get along despite occasional warfare among them.
The Sunni's in Iraq have a much better deal when dealing with Al Qaeda than they do with the United States. We are trying to run away from that fight and we are in the beginning stages of that end. The Sunni's cannot run away and Al Qaeda does not know how to run away. They retreat but never will they ever allow victory to the U.S.. And thus the Sunni of Iraq are facing a Shia war at the very least. It would do them no good to fight Al Qaeda and the Shia. That would surely lead to their destruction.
Everyone knows that America will run from this fight. Regardless of whatever excuse we choose to use to do so. The enemy don't care why we run as long as they are doing the chasing. |
I am curious? Who do you think Al Qaeda is in Iraq? Are you one of the millions of fools that actually believe that the group using the moniker if Al Qaeda, in Iraq, are closely aligned with Bin Laden? Or are you aware that Al Qaeda in Iraq is for the most part Iraqi nationals who have chosen to adapt the moniker of Al Qaeda despite having an almost entirely seperate agenda from Bin Laden. It does serve both groups purposes in that it allows Bin Laden's group to act as though the have a presence in this conflict, & it serves the Iraqi's who take the name of the United States most feared enemy.
What makes me laugh is when I read analysis by people like yourselft that prepetuate the idea that this is really Al Qaeda. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
The laughter of a delusional schizo is always poignant...
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Any other response might actually show intelligence on your part. So, while a disappointment you are not so in expectation. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
I am curious? Who do you think Al Qaeda is in Iraq? Are you one of the millions of fools that actually believe that the group using the moniker if Al Qaeda, in Iraq, are closely aligned with Bin Laden? Or are you aware that Al Qaeda in Iraq is for the most part Iraqi nationals who have chosen to adapt the moniker of Al Qaeda despite having an almost entirely seperate agenda from Bin Laden. It does serve both groups purposes in that it allows Bin Laden's group to act as though the have a presence in this conflict, & it serves the Iraqi's who take the name of the United States most feared enemy.
What makes me laugh is when I read analysis by people like yourselft that prepetuate the idea that this is really Al Qaeda. |
That depends. There does exist two major problems outside of the Shia. One is "The Islamic State of Iraq", Al Qaeda. The other "The Islamic Army of Iraq", The Iraqi resistence and the greatest threat to the U.S. inside Iraq. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by StoneyCrybabyTroll
...and the greatest threat to the U.S. inside Iraq. |
Yeah, ex-Saddam army Baathists...
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Yeah, ex-Saddam army Baathists...
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But with a new purpose. We all know that the Baathists will never return. That "cause" is dead. You'll either have a Shia dominatrion, which I reject. Or, a new purpose. in this case the new purpose is Islam.
Consider that. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
But with a new purpose. We all know that the Baathists will never return. That "cause" is dead. You'll either have a Shia dominatrion, which I reject. Or, a new purpose. in this case the new purpose is Islam.
Consider that. |
3: Profound Character Attributes — RWAs (and RWAAs: Right Wing Authoritarian Assholes) are more likely to:
* Be dogmatic.
* Be zealots.
* Be hypocrites.
* Be absolutists
* Be bullies when they have power over others.
* Help cause and inflame intergroup conflict.
* Seek dominance over others by being competitive and destructive in situations requiring cooperation.
4: Blindness To One’s Own Failings And To The Failings Of Authority Figures Whom They Respect— RWAs are more likely to:
* Believe they have no personal failings.
* Avoid learning about their personal failings.
* Be highly self-righteous.
* Use religion to erase guilt over their acts and to maintain their self-righteousness.
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
3: Profound Character Attributes — RWAs (and RWAAs: Right Wing Authoritarian Assholes) are more likely to:
* Be dogmatic.
* Be zealots.
* Be hypocrites.
* Be absolutists
* Be bullies when they have power over others.
* Help cause and inflame intergroup conflict.
* Seek dominance over others by being competitive and destructive in situations requiring cooperation.
4: Blindness To One’s Own Failings And To The Failings Of Authority Figures Whom They Respect— RWAs are more likely to:
* Believe they have no personal failings.
* Avoid learning about their personal failings.
* Be highly self-righteous.
* Use religion to erase guilt over their acts and to maintain their self-righteousness.
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Just surrender and run, like I said in another thread...the enemy does not care why. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Just surrender and run, like I said in another thread...the enemy does not care why. |
Its ok to understand yourself Stumpy. Don't be scared...(as usual!)
Listening to the Truth of the Fdub will cure you of your craven and psychotic RWAA-ness...
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
That depends. There does exist two major problems outside of the Shia. One is "The Islamic State of Iraq", Al Qaeda. The other "The Islamic Army of Iraq", The Iraqi resistence and the greatest threat to the U.S. inside Iraq. |
& we created both. Your own analysis details why we should have never invaded. We simply created an enemy, one that we most likley can't defeat. Revolutions must always come from within as we are now seeing. Saddam was an evil man, but no threat o us. As they say, the devil you know..............................................
You ridicule the thought of running, what do we accomplish by staying? How do we win this conflict? |
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| sir1us |
| just shows the disarray of this country where dems and republicans can't agree on anything but these groups can call a truce. |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by sir1us
just shows the disarray of this country where dems and republicans can't agree on anything but these groups can call a truce. |
Well it's not quite that easy. These two groups are both Sunni sects, one moderate secular & the other fundamentalist. They have much more in common than they do differences. They both still consider the Shia the primary enemy with the US operating as the Shia's tool. |
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