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| GeoDaddy |
Again, the problem with Hillary is - not - that she is a "she" but that she is left of Clinton (hubby) who was a m-o-d-e-r-a-t-e liberal.
In addition to the National Health Care debacle (sited above) her book "It Takes a Village" is nothing short of a social/communist admission that she feels that it takes the entire "community" (i.e. liberal, progressive, secular, socialist community) to teach a child right from wrong - specifically that you should only make you "fair share" of money, the the government should tax people who make to much money so that the government can re-distribute it... that homosexual marriage is on par with hetrosexual marriage and should be embrace by society... that all religions are merely "opiates of the masses" and only socialist government is the salvation of mankind... and that the United States itself must divest it's capital and dismantal it's military because we are too rich and too powerful and the other nations of the world resent out position as the sole remaining super power... we must be "world citizens" and submit to Intl Courts and Intl Laws and subordinate to the UN.
Listen to what she has said in the past and you will hear the echo of everythin described above - because that is the American Left's manifesto.
Problem is that the Russians and Chinese tried this Utopian society and it created the most genocidal police states the world has ever known... and Cuba & North Korea still embraces institutionalized Socialism... you wanna live there??? Oh! We would do it "better" because we would be american communists...
Sorry, every Utopian Ideals that mankind has tried has ended up far worse than the ills it was suppose to address...
And even the moderately socialist nations of Western Europe can only survive so long as - we - the United States remain their military deterrrent against the re-emergence of Russian Imperialims, Islamist Ideology, Chinese expansionism and even the more benign Indian economic juggernaut.
I remind those who think that world is essentially a peaceful place and that Amerikkka is the sole "bad guy" (as all Leftists do) that the Europeans couldn't even contain a tin pot dictator like Slobbo and the Greater Serbian Fascism when it re-introduced genocide into the post-WWII lexicon of otherwise peaceful and prosperous Europe... WE had to put and end to him and his regime. The Europeans could take care of their own backyward and we should become more like them ???
So, really, from a conservative point of view, Hillary and Obama are baked from thre same cake... Jimmy Carter policies... respect for failed regimes from Lennin to Chavez... disrespect for free enterprise, meritocracy, capitalism, and self determination... and this personal belief that THEY know better what is best for American than most Americans (who, if they talked about what they would actually do in power, would ask the simple question, "How much will that cost - me!"
And the propaganda is that anyone who takes this line with either Hillary or Obama is a "mysognist" or a "racist" but that is how ideollogues play the game...
Me, I would vote for Condi Rice (which should answer both of the above charges) simply because I like her character and her beliefs and her accomplishments.
I think the underlining sentiment with both these characters - is - that one is a "woman" and the other is "black" and that "diversity" alone - the Democrates can show they are a better party because they more "politically correct" than the conservative (i.e. old, white, rich, white... men!)
The question is...
How much of this is media hype (which is overwhelmingly liberal in all the sentiments described above) and how much is this really the critical mass of Americans (who bother to vote) ? ? ?
I go back and say, if the Iraq (and let's be honest, Afghan) wars weren't bleeding our intention (to spread democracy, individualism, capitalism, tolerance and Western civlization) dry... the Far Left voices of Hillary and Obama wouldn't be heard above the two simple facts that we have not had an attack in this country since 2001 and the eoconomy has been on its largest - real - sustained growth since the 1950s.
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| GeoDaddy |
Or the short form question...
"What is the difference between these two Lefties?"
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| zimmie |
| There really is no difference, neither one is electable. You'd think the Democrats would learn, but they continue to defy the limits of stupidity. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
There really is no difference, neither one is electable. You'd think the Democrats would learn, but they continue to defy the limits of stupidity. |
Why isn't Obama electable? I have my own theory, but I want to hear it from a republican. |
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| pluckinstrings |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Why isn't Obama electable? I have my own theory, but I want to hear it from a republican. |
Good luck getting a response from zimmie.... |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| I think Obama is totally electable. All the people who wouldnt vote for a Black man are alrady voting Republican anyhow. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Why isn't Obama electable? I have my own theory, but I want to hear it from a republican. |
Well anyone is, by definition, "electable." Fringe candidates like Mike Gravel and Ron Paul are "electable." Whether they are qualified and whether their ideas are sensible are whole other matters.
As far as Obama goes, he lacks experience. He was clearly outmatched by Hillary Clinton the the debates, in my opinoin. Also, he is full of grandiose ideas but short on specifics, and when he as gotten specific his ideas have come under harsh scrutiny from his own party. For example, his national health care plan hasn't garnered much praise. |
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| Luther |
| I have seen any difference in their positions except that Hillary is pro-Iraq war and Obama is against it. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Luther
I have seen any difference in their positions except that Hillary is pro-Iraq war and Obama is against it. |
Apparently you haven't heard her recent comments about the Iraq War - they are almost in line with the far-left that has taken over the party.
Personally, I think Hillary Clinton is more of a pragmatist in regards to Iraq than Obama or Edwards is and realizes that we can't just pull all of our troops out without facing a disaster. She just won't say that while she is trying to win the primary. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| You mean the "Far Left" that is the majority of the country? :rolleyes: |
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| Stonewall |
I don't see the Dems winning the Presidency. Any chance they have will be ruined by Pelosi and Reid.
The first thing to do is remove them from their positions and put normal Democrats in there so a different message can be heard. A message that does not drown out the Demo Candidates for President. They are like a leash pulling back on any momentum, they are the leaders of the Party and horrible ones.
The Republicans, like Giuliani can use them against the Democrats. All he has to do is say do you want them having complete control of Government and the war and all else? Or, do you want a balance, someone to make sure they will not go too far?
Like I said the Dems are not gonna win the White House. They might lose it all in '08 and it'll be Pelosi and Reid who cause the whole thing to come down. |
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| ChaseDC |
I think he (Obama) is electable as well.
And don't be so sure about the dems not getting the White House in 08. People are just as fed up with the republicans too.
Bush and Cheney were so certain the republicans would remain in power of congress in 06 too. :rolleyes: |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I don't see the Dems winning the Presidency. Any chance they have will be ruined by Pelosi and Reid.
The first thing to do is remove them from their positions and put normal Democrats in there so a different message can be heard. A message that does not drown out the Demo Candidates for President. They are like a leash pulling back on any momentum, they are the leaders of the Party and horrible ones.
The Republicans, like Giuliani can use them against the Democrats. All he has to do is say do you want them having complete control of Government and the war and all else? Or, do you want a balance, someone to make sure they will not go too far?
Like I said the Dems are not gonna win the White House. They might lose it all in '08 and it'll be Pelosi and Reid who cause the whole thing to come down. |
Well said, Stonewall - if the Democrats want to gain a larger majority in the Congress and boost their chances at the Presidency in 2008, then they need to show Pelosi and Reid the door (or at least promise to). They pander to the far-left when the independents and, I would hope, the majority of Democrats are more moderate. It is a Republican presidential candidate's dream-come-true to be able to point to what Reid and Pelosi have done/attempted, and I can see the campaign ads now that tie the two together with the eventual Democratic nominee.
I think it will be a very tight race - many liberals believe they can vote in the primaries with their hearts instead of their heads as there's no way a Republican will be able to win. They are making a major mistake if they continue on with that false assumption. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| I love how the republicans always try to tell the democrats how to win. :rolleyes: |
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| zimmie |
Edwards, Hilliary, Obama?............Hillairy is your man........she'll crush the other two and America won't elect her versus a moderate Republican.........Guliani
Obama sounds good when speaking, plenty of grandiose ideas....just don't ask him how he'll make them work, Americans won't like the answers |
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