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| Psychomike |
The suicide of Chris Benoit after killing his family has forced our mainstream media, which apparently can't cover more than one issue at a time, to drop the stories on football players suffering brain damage and long term effects from playing. Speculation on steroid abuse, which is also an issue in sports, may turn the finger on WWE but the NFL faces the same issues. The difference? WWE wrestlers have no union. SAG doesn't consider them actors, sports unions don't consider them athletes. They are both. And they are alone.
They remain at the mercy of promoters.
Though the Tribute show has been bashed by mainstream media as hucksterism, they don't get that a storyline with Vince McMahon murdered seemed in bad taste with Benoits death and was abandoned. Wrestling doesn't do things in good taste very often, this one backfired.
I did not think Benoit did this when I first heard the story. My first thought was, "Who murdered him?"
I'm sure the WWE was thinking the same.
Benoit was the wrestler who brought wrestling moves and holds into the action and I don't believe I ever saw him do a bad show. He was a people's favorite for years, and the WWE had done instant tributes like this for wreslters before.
At any rate, the NFL can breath easier now that the pressure is off them. |
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| JoeyBoots |
| the top peeps at the wwe im sure were very aware of hs past history where his wife filed for divorce in 2003 and got an order of protection stating she feared he would hurt her or the child......she had it and the divorce petition recinded 4 months later according to the radio report i heard yesterday........you cant tell me they were not aware of his issues and also people are saying ow the hints were out there for over a year that he was mentally unstable yet nobody interceeded but rather he was pushed to perform perform perform and deliver......he obviously delivered by roiding the fuck up like they all do.......you nor anyone can tell me these guys get that big on their own....bullshit.....they all do it........you may like wrestling and be a big fan but be real and not an apologist for vince and the wwe...... they wreak of sleeze. :hw: |
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| SleepingWarrior |
The tribute had to be done as it was because Vince and the WWE got reamed a decade ago for continuing on with a PPV after the death of Owen Hart at that same event. Ever since they have a hair-trigger when it comes to such things. Not to mention they had a 3 hour time slot to fill the very night that Benoit's evil deeds were discovered since no wrestler there would have been fit to perform under those circumstances.
And the threadstarter is actually quite dead on in his statement about unions. If the wrestlers were protected by a union of some sort then they wouldn't be pushed into destroying their bodies and minds nor be as likely to use 'roids to get bigger and heal quick let alone the meth and shit they use to deal with a 300 day a year schedule. |
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| DrGunt |
| FUCK YOU!!! and wrestling |
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| mrchappelow |
| he was a hell of a worker |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| the fact of the matter that anyone can look back at the actions of a murderer and say "You know he was acting funny." this is just a great tragedy that puts another black eye on the wrestling industry to people outside the fanbase. it's no different than a non-Howard fan hearing something about the show and then jumping to conclusions without even hearing the show. it's a very sad event in an industry with a long list of tragic events and premature deaths. wrestling is unparalelled, by any other pro sport, in the road schedule that performers have to travel and I am sure that the lifestyle adds to all of the troubles. |
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| GoldenGuinea |
| Vince McMahon is a fucking scumbag that will do anything for publicity and money. He doesnt give a shit about the wrestlers. He used this tragedy for publicity just like he used the Owen Hart tragedy. He is completely fucked up. The PPV where Owen Hart died should have been cancelled but instead they go on with the show like nothing happened. I'm sure that all came down to money since they would probably lose all that PPV money if they cancelled. The monday night show didnt need to be cancelled tho since nothing occured at the event. |
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| navinjohnson999 |
they all use roids
you are right
stallone etc.. anybody with an unnatural looking body uses the juice |
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| MattyBags |
The only tragedy is that the news last night put Benoit's picture on the screen with one of those "In Memory Of..." tags .
In memory of a double child murdering fucking piece of shit....... it what it should have said. |
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| beetletooth |
| Most of the wrestlers I see in commercials have foreheads large enough to sell ad space on. It isn't hard to figure out what's going on there. |
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| Cheri |
| Is a neck like a fucking tree stump a sign of roids? He had the thickest neck, it was scary. |
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| Calistan |
Quote: Originally posted by Cheri
Is a neck like a fucking tree stump a sign of roids? He had the thickest neck, it was scary. |
His arms were a little too short for his body as well. He kinda looked like a giant midget. |
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| JeffJ |
So the "tragedy" of wrestling is that they don't have a union and remain at the mercy of the promoters?
Who gives a fuck... get a different job if you don't like wrestling and making lot's of $$.
Waaaaaa, us rich dudes like Benoit and Artie Lange have a real rough job so let's call it a tragedy. |
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| JeffJ |
Quote: Originally posted by Calistan
His arms were a little too short for his body as well. He kinda looked like a giant midget. |
super_not said he looked like a dwarf who had the limb lengthening procedure done and it was damn funny cause she's right! :jj: |
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| Calistan |
Quote: Originally posted by JeffJ
super_not said he looked like a dwarf who had the limb lengthening procedure done and it was damn funny cause she's right! :jj: |
:funny: |
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| AcquiringSignal |
UFC is taking over.
This is the final straw with many!
WWE is fake. It is Hee Haw with steriod-bad actors.
UFC is real, Athletes will go there, why go to a sport where you cant ever get ahead from your talents? There is rumors wrestlers had to suck Vince's dick, and other's dick to get ahead.
Fans & Athletes are going to go to UFC! These guys are going to want to test themsleves in a REAL Sport. Not some awful Hee Haw style acting skits and stunts. |
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| room1106 |
that cocksucking sociopathic motherfucker. i wish there was a hell so he could be rotting in it.
murdering a woman and helpless child. absolutely revolting. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Psychomike
The suicide of Chris Benoit after killing his family has forced our mainstream media, which apparently can't cover more than one issue at a time, to drop the stories on football players suffering brain damage and long term effects from playing. Speculation on steroid abuse, which is also an issue in sports, may turn the finger on WWE but the NFL faces the same issues. The difference? WWE wrestlers have no union. SAG doesn't consider them actors, sports unions don't consider them athletes. They are both. And they are alone.
They remain at the mercy of promoters.
Boo fucking hoo. They can form thier own union, or put on some men's clothes and go find real work.
Though the Tribute show has been bashed by mainstream media as hucksterism, they don't get that a storyline with Vince McMahon murdered seemed in bad taste with Benoits death and was abandoned. Wrestling doesn't do things in good taste very often, this one backfired.
Backfired? That's one way to put it, I guess.
I did not think Benoit did this when I first heard the story. My first thought was, "Who murdered him?"
That's because you're stupid.
Anyone with a functioning brain and a working set of eyeballs immediately thought about steroids.
I'm sure the WWE was thinking the same.
No, they were thinking about how to make some money off of this, while at the same time trying to distract attention from the fact that they promote the use of steriods amongst thier actor/dancers.
Benoit was the wrestler who brought wrestling moves and holds into the action and I don't believe I ever saw him do a bad show.
His whole life was a bad show. The only shame here is that his poor family was forced to share his fucked-up fate. May he rot in whatever hell he has created for himself.
He was a people's favorite for years, and the WWE had done instant tributes like this for wreslters before.
At any rate, the NFL can breath easier now that the pressure is off them.
Great point that nobody gives a fuck about. Way to be irrelevant.
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| Metsfan526 |
Anyone who thinks that Monday's Raw was simply for press is way off. The WWE had no idea of the details involved in this situation. All they knew was that Benoit and his family were dead. I believe one of the press reports stated that the first details claiming it was a murder suicide came at approx. 10pm Monday night. That would have been two hours into Raw. What the heck were they supposed to do w/ sketchy details 2 hours into it? They have handled it very well since. They pulled all tribute footage from there website as well as not distributing the tribute show for rebroadcast. Also they have reported on this story for what it is, a news story. They haven't reported on it in a shady way, they have constantly provided updates on the case and handled it very professionally. On ECW last night Vince came on at the beginning and basically that there would be no more mention of Benoit in a retrospective type of way, and that it was time to move on and put it behind them.
I'm a huge WWE fan, and unfortunately, have always been a huge Chris Benoit fan as he's my favorite wrestler of all time. It makes me sick that I ever paid to see him wrestle, as well as that I sat there watching Raw on Monday and actually felt remorse for him. The WWE isn't to blame for Monday's show. These type's of tribute shows are not uncommon. Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, and now Benoit they have done these shows for. Is there a steriods problem in wrestling? Absolutely. Is the WWE Wellness Policy a joke? Absolutely. But were talking about grown men who can make decisions for themselves and should be held 100% responsible for those decisions. The WWE needs to overhaul their drug policy 100%, but people need to stop blaming them and hold the athletes responsible for their actions. |
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| dstanme |
Quote: Originally posted by Metsfan526
Anyone who thinks that Monday's Raw was simply for press is way off. The WWE had no idea of the details involved in this situation. All they knew was that Benoit and his family were dead. I believe one of the press reports stated that the first details claiming it was a murder suicide came at approx. 10pm Monday night. That would have been two hours into Raw. What the heck were they supposed to do w/ sketchy details 2 hours into it? They have handled it very well since. They pulled all tribute footage from there website as well as not distributing the tribute show for rebroadcast. Also they have reported on this story for what it is, a news story. They haven't reported on it in a shady way, they have constantly provided updates on the case and handled it very professionally. On ECW last night Vince came on at the beginning and basically that there would be no more mention of Benoit in a retrospective type of way, and that it was time to move on and put it behind them.
I'm a huge WWE fan, and unfortunately, have always been a huge Chris Benoit fan as he's my favorite wrestler of all time. It makes me sick that I ever paid to see him wrestle, as well as that I sat there watching Raw on Monday and actually felt remorse for him. The WWE isn't to blame for Monday's show. These type's of tribute shows are not uncommon. Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, and now Benoit they have done these shows for. Is there a steriods problem in wrestling? Absolutely. Is the WWE Wellness Policy a joke? Absolutely. But were talking about grown men who can make decisions for themselves and should be held 100% responsible for those decisions. The WWE needs to overhaul their drug policy 100%, but people need to stop blaming them and hold the athletes responsible for their actions. |
Nicely said however you realize that at some point, probably sooner than you realize, you're going to have to make a decision to get a life, right? |
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| Cheri |
Quote: Originally posted by dstanme
Nicely said however you realize that at some point, probably sooner than you realize, you're going to have to make a decision to get a life, right? |
Totally not true. I know many men into their 50s that watch this shit and believe it. He can stay in the basement for many years to come. |
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| AcquiringSignal |
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=3320736&page=1
DA: Wrestler's Son May Have Died in Chokehold
From GMA June 27, 2007
Share Investigators said they did not have a motive for the Chris Benoit family murder spree, but they did have new clues in the case and a chilling timeline of how, where and when the professional wrestler took the life of his wife and 7-year-old son.
Two days before Benoit and his family were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide, Benoit told co-workers his wife and son had food poisoning and were throwing up, according to World Wrestling Entertainment.
Nancy Benoit, Benoit's wife of seven years who had also performed with the World Wrestling champion in the ring, was in the upstairs office Friday when she was attacked, investigators said.
Scott Ballard, the Fayette County District Attorney, said that Nancy Benoit was bound at her feet and wrists.
"There was a bruise in the small in her back as if a knee was placed there," Ballard said today on "Good Morning America."
Investigators believe Benoit waited until Saturday morning to kill his 7-year-old son, Daniel, in the boy's bedroom. Ballard told ABC News the boy may have died after being put in a wrestling chokehold.
What Text Messages Said
At the crime scene, Benoit's son was found with needle marks in his arm. Law enforcement officials believe the boy was being injected with human growth hormone because he was undersize.
Ballard called the crime scene in the boy's bedroom "heartbreaking," with wrestling action figures and a toy championship belt in the room.
"There was a Bible displayed beside the body of each victim," Ballard added.
Hours later, before dawn Sunday morning, Benoit reportedly sent a string of strange text messages to co-workers and neighbors, including, "The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open." Another said, "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane."
"We believe that was an effort for someone to find his body before too long," Ballard said.
Monday, police found Benoit strangled to death in his basement as he hanged from weight-lifting equipment.
'Roid Rage' Still Speculation
Investigators are still searching for a motive in the deaths.
Benoit's wife filed a temporary restraining order and filed for divorce in May 2003, claiming her husband "lost his temper and threatened her." She withdrew the divorce petition in August 2003.
While there was trouble behind closed doors on the surface it appeared Benoit had it all, making more than half a million dollars a year and living in a $900,000 home.
Investigators said that prescription medication, including anabolic steroids, were found in Benoit's home.
Toxicology reports won't be available for weeks, so at this point there is no way to tell if steroids played a part in the deaths, investigators said.
Doctors said steroids can prompt personality changes like impatience and violent mood swings known as "roid rage."
"When people have 'roid rage,' their impulses are not restrained, so at the slightest provocation, they'll put a fist through a wall," said Dr. Gary Walder of the New York University School of Medicine.
Steroid use has cast a shadow over pro wrestling for some time. Debra Marshall , a former wrestler, said the pressure to use can be immense.
"It's a very highly competitive world and you got to look good and if you don't look good, you lose your job," Marshall said |
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| Metsfan526 |
| Quote: Nicely said however you realize that at some point, probably sooner than you realize, you're going to have to make a decision to get a life, right? |
Wow great response. I've never seen the format on here of telling someone to "get a life" in response to them posting in a thread. Way to be original! |
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| Cheri |
| Jesus Christ. In a chokehold? I can't imagine the terror that poor child must have felt. |
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| sinistar |
Quote: Originally posted by JoeyBoots
the top peeps at the wwe im sure were very aware of hs past history where his wife filed for divorce in 2003 and got an order of protection stating she feared he would hurt her or the child......she had it and the divorce petition recinded 4 months later according to the radio report i heard yesterday........you cant tell me they were not aware of his issues and also people are saying ow the hints were out there for over a year that he was mentally unstable yet nobody interceeded but rather he was pushed to perform perform perform and deliver......he obviously delivered by roiding the fuck up like they all do.......you nor anyone can tell me these guys get that big on their own....bullshit.....they all do it........you may like wrestling and be a big fan but be real and not an apologist for vince and the wwe...... they wreak of sleeze. :hw: |
Joey...I agree with just about everything you said here. But let me ask you this....Doesnt what you are saying apply to The Howard Stern Show as well? You have a group of unemployed "Wackpackers" each with his or her own personal issues, all of them wanting air time and to be noticed by Howard.
What happens if HPE gets murdered for scamming the wrong guy out of something? What happens if the Icy Hot on the balls causes severe complications? Hank died...he drank himself to death, it can be argued he did it to stay in character for the fame and appearence money.
Look at Jeff the drunk...if he loses his "The Drunk" title will anyone want to listen to him or even care about him?
What about Beetle? The guy is all over the place and dissapears wuite often. What if something happens to him on the road because he should be getting the care someone with his condition needs and isnt getting it?
All im saying here is that we are all adults and responsible for our own actions. IF my job told me I had to take life threatening drugs to keep it, its up to me to walk away. |
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| Cheri |
Quote: Originally posted by sinistar
Joey...I agree with just about everything you said here. But let me ask you this....Doesnt what you are saying apply to The Howard Stern Show as well? You have a group of unemployed "Wackpackers" each with his or her own personal issues, all of them wanting air time and to be noticed by Howard.
What happens if HPE gets murdered for scamming the wrong guy out of something? What happens if the Icy Hot on the balls causes severe complications? Hank died...he drank himself to death, it can be argued he did it to stay in character for the fame and appearence money.
Look at Jeff the drunk...if he loses his "The Drunk" title will anyone want to listen to him or even care about him?
What about Beetle? The guy is all over the place and dissapears wuite often. What if something happens to him on the road because he should be getting the care someone with his condition needs and isnt getting it?
All im saying here is that we are all adults and responsible for our own actions. IF my job told me I had to take life threatening drugs to keep it, its up to me to walk away. |
100% agreement. Vince can offer up all the drugs he wants, but in this life it's your responsibility to take care of yourself and your family, not his. |
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| Metsfan526 |
| Quote: Investigators believe Benoit waited until Saturday morning to kill his 7-year-old son, Daniel, in the boy's bedroom. Ballard told ABC News the boy may have died after being put in a wrestling chokehold. |
Thats an incredible choice of words and great insinuation by the writer of this story. Any physical move can be described as a wrestling move. |
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| Psychomike |
If Artie OD's, is it Howard's fault?
I don't know anyone who "believes in wrestling". People into wrestling don't bet on it. You can't! Neither Vegas or bookies bother to take bets on it, there are no office pools.
Those that are smug in saying how fake it is, have clearly never been to a movie.
When they go, and someone dies on screen, do they stand up and yell "Fake! He's an actor! He's not dead!", my guess is they don't.
It's called suspension of belief. You are not proving you are smarter by saying you have that for one form of entertainment but not another. Since 20 years ago McMahon went public with the fact that wrestling wasn't real. This is no big revelation.
Chris Benoit belongs to that class of wrestlers that integrated real wrestling holds and moves into the action- Kurt Angle, The Harts. As a wrestler he was a great one.
Sadly, his ending will taint a lot of great work.
Those who say they shouldn't have a union..... it's hard to believe I'm the one saying they need one! But the fact is SAG and the sports unions have dropped the ball by not letting them in. |
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| synch22 |
wow
he already was getting started on his kid they were injecting him with growth horomone because he was dwarf like... what a sick fuck piece of shit. |
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| Cheri |
Quote: Originally posted by synch22
wow
he already was getting started on his kid they were injecting him with growth horomone because he was dwarf like... what a sick fuck piece of shit. |
Not sick, it's an actual medical treatment that's quite common. Growth hormone is just that, a hormone that controls growth. The specific syndrome his child had was treated with it. Google is your friend. |
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| Psychomike |
The WWE is a publically traded company whose stockholders have never mounted a challenge to McMahon- that might happen.
The government will want to get involved I think for sure.
The three hour tribute show is the least of McMahon's problems. |
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| tom sizemore |
FUCK WRASTLING
ITS GAY AND SO ARE THE DIPSHITS WHO INDULGE IN IT |
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| ricky |
Reported on some wrestling sites:
The son had a medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, and thus the reason for the needle marks:
http://www.news1130.com/news/topsto...626_212836_4500
It's believed, based on marks on the son's neck or face that Benoit used his own "crippler crossface" to strangle his son. That was Benoit's famous finishing move.
There's no "pretty" way to put all this. It all sounds crazy, which, of course, it is... |
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| Psychomike |
| The son's condition I bet will be lost by the press. |
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| Metsfan526 |
| Quote: It's believed, based on marks on the son's neck or face that Benoit used his own "crippler crossface" to strangle his son. That was Benoit's famous finishing move. |
Thats just seems absolutely crazy to me. I haven't seen that actually stated in any offical statements, so it just seems to me like someone trying stirring up some shit. I just can't imagine that he slapped the crossface on him. I mean did he hit the flying headbutt before that as the setup to the crossface? |
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| super_not |
Quote: Originally posted by ricky
It's believed, based on marks on the son's neck or face that Benoit used his own "crippler crossface" to strangle his son. That was Benoit's famous finishing move. |
I don't know why, but this made me laugh. I'm a terrible person. :( |
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| NewsGuy |
Quote: Originally posted by ricky
Reported on some wrestling sites:
The son had a medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, and thus the reason for the needle marks:
http://www.news1130.com/news/topsto...626_212836_4500
It's believed, based on marks on the son's neck or face that Benoit used his own "crippler crossface" to strangle his son. That was Benoit's famous finishing move.
There's no "pretty" way to put all this. It all sounds crazy, which, of course, it is... |
The news article says NOTHING about the way Chris killed his son. It does talk about that Fragile X Syndrome. |
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| carlito_tx |
Quote: Originally posted by NewsGuy
Fragile X Syndrome. |
what is this?
wrestling... :giggle: |
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| janetea |
Quote: Originally posted by super_not
I don't know why, but this made me laugh. I'm a terrible person. :( |
It made me laugh, too. I feel guilty. |
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| Froggy |
Quote: Originally posted by ricky
Reported on some wrestling sites:
It's believed, based on marks on the son's neck or face that Benoit used his own "crippler crossface" to strangle his son. That was Benoit's famous finishing move.
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his son should be honored that his daddy gave him one last performance. normally Benoit got paid big bucks to perform that "crippler crossface" hold. he did it for his son for free. |
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| muntz |
i remember some interview with chris and nancy about the problems with their son....
i wish we knew what were those bible passages he listed.... it could be a clue.... |
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| janetea |
| I heard he first did a Clothes Hanger on his wife, then finished her off. |
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| ricky |
Quote: Originally posted by Metsfan526
Thats just seems absolutely crazy to me. I haven't seen that actually stated in any offical statements, so it just seems to me like someone trying stirring up some shit. I just can't imagine that he slapped the crossface on him. I mean did he hit the flying headbutt before that as the setup to the crossface? |
Yeah, well, that was the joke early on. He probably had done it many times playing with his son. That was Benoit's famous move.
It's all very hard to digest. Benoit was considered part of the "class" of pro wrestling. A very hard worker and nice guy. Obviously some major demons in his life. |
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| ricky |
Quote: Originally posted by NewsGuy
The news article says NOTHING about the way Chris killed his son. It does talk about that Fragile X Syndrome. |
No, I was updating this thread with what I had read on other sites. The 2 items are not related in any way. Sorry. |
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| Psychomike |
On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas.
That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were sick, and that he would not be able to attend the show.
WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday.
WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him.
Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers:
Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53 a.m.) - Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53 a.m.) - Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”
Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"
Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit.
At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayette County Sheriff’s office requesting they check on the Benoit family.
Fayette County Sheriff's office made contact with WWE at approximately 4 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies – an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit’s home was now considered a major crime scene.
The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4 and 5 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article...58&provider=top
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WWE: FORMER WWE EMPLOYEE SAYS “DOMESTIC AND DRUG ABUSE IS OUT OF HAND", PLUS MORE BENOIT RELATED MEDIA COVERAGE
by Phil Lowe
27 June 2007, 8:38 am EST
Debra Williams, the ex-wife of “Stone Cold” Steve Austin, has spoken about the murders of Nancy and Daniel Benoit on the FOX 31 web site. Williams, who claimed she saw Austin using steroids, was quoted as saying, “Domestic and drug abuse is out of hand in the WWE and something needs to be done about it.”
Williams, who was under contract to World Wrestling Entertainment from 1998-2002, went on to say she filed for a restraining order after a third incident of domestic abuse, adding that Austin later forced her to write a letter to the courts asking the order be repealed. In turn, she consented to a gag order about the situation.
She added, “If only I had spoken up sooner, maybe Nancy and her little boy would be alive today. That’s why I’m going public now. Something has to change!“
You can read that story in full here.
Bret Hart has spoken some more on the double murder-suicide, this time talking to the Calgary Sun. He’s quoted as saying, “The sad thing about it is I never saw Chris lose his composure and I never saw him get angry. He was always a very solid, sound, logical kind of guy. It’s totally the last thing you’d ever expect to come out of Chris Benoit. I think that’s why everyone’s having such a hard time coming to terms with this.“
You can read Hart’s comments in full here.
Keith Lipinski sent word that the story made Page 2 of this morning’s Chicago Sun Times, with the caption focusing on the possible use of steroids.
The Corpus Christi Caller Times has an story up about the cancellation and rescheduling of this past Monday night’s edition of RAW here.
http://www.wrestlemag.com/news/index.php?p=6175 |
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| Cheri |
| No offence but Debra McMichael "Williams' is not a good speaker on this. She's quite the whore who is disgruntled with WWE for giving her ugly old ass the boot. She wasn't a wrestler either, just a 40 + year old bleached blonde whore that made a living showing her fake hoots that her first husband Mongo McMichael bought her before she decided she was a star. She got a job based on her first husband, and kept it based on her second and was given the boot. |
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| Metsfan526 |
| Quote: Yeah, well, that was the joke early on. He probably had done it many times playing with his son. That was Benoit's famous move. |
Oh believe me I know about him, he was my favorite wrestler of all time. I think you hit the nail on the head as to why this is all so bizzare and hard to digest. He was one of those guys that was seen as a true wrestler. Not a Hulk Hogan, Big Show, Boogeyman type of wrestler. He was an accomplished amateur wrestler I believe, and when he was in the ring he busted his fucking ass and put on a show.
Its disgusting and appalling what he did. I question what Robin reported on the news this morning though. You can check this on the WWE website, but I have not read anywhere that stated that he text messaged bible passages to friends. On WWE.com they have a timeline that shows correspondence between Benoit and the WWE. He sent text messages from his phone and his wife's phone stating what their physical address was and that the doors to the house were unlocked.
I'm just really curious to see if steroids actually did play a role in this. If so, this wont play out well for Vinnie Mac and company. The pressures that he must put on his wrestlers has to be almost unbearable. |
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| Al Davis Mafia |
| they did the tribute to get paid. They knew a lot of people would watch that night so they gave the people what they wanted. Straight Business |
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| ricky |
From a wrestling site:
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Couple of other media sources on the story: The LA Times and (not surprisingly) The CBC.
Ooops....just realized it's a subscription story at the LA Times, so .... a partial extract will have to do
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...."I don't know that we'll ever determine why [Benoit] did this," Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said in a telephone interview. "The toxicology reports will shed some light, but we'll need to consult experts on all sorts of things about this, including what concentrations of steroids equal a 'roid rage."
....The medical examiner working the case determined that Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, on Friday, then his son late the following day.
District Attorney Ballard said Nancy Benoit, 43, formerly known on the World Championship Wrestling circuit as the character "Woman," was found in an upstairs office in the couple's two-story home with her feet and wrists bound.
Ballard said the medical examiner determined Daniel wasn't killed until much later — possibly late Saturday. The boy was found dead in his upstairs bedroom. Authorities noticed injection marks on the boy's arm that appear to be the result of routine medical treatments.
"A chokehold," Ballard said, "was used to strangle the boy rather than hands, because there's no bruising consistent with a strangling by hands."
Benoit's signature match-ending hold was called the "cross-face crippler," where he'd cross his arms at an opponent's chin, pulling the head backward.
A Bible was placed near Nancy and Daniel's bodies, authorities said....
...."Steroids alone don't cause this," said Dave Meltzer, editor of the website Wrestling Observer. "The guy clearly had a stormy, volatile relationship with his wife. Because of the road schedule, lots of [wrestlers] have marriage issues. Steroids maybe played a role, but I don't know what this is. To kill your kid ... this is some demon I can't explain, and I don't think anyone in wrestling can."
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The CBC story also has a very short bit about steroids from a pharmacologist at the U. of Alberta. |
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| Psychomike |
Why did they drop the story they had developed the past weeks? The police had called it a homicide but did not implicate Benoit until 2 hours into the broadcast. The WWE has done these specials before.
I doubt this will change Al Davis Mafia but it should be kept in mind.
It is quite clear some people can't wait to put Vince on trial. |
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| mongoosle |
| wrestlers know what they are getting into. |
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| BrutusB |
| That whole industry is a circus. |
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| HULK##2 |
| Steroids do KILL!!!!!! |
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| ricky |
Note that Benoit had prescribed steroids, not illegal ones.
The WWE said he tested negative in the 4/07 testing.
There is rumor that Benoit DID have steroids in the 4/07 tests - but the tests are "negative" because it simply shows what he legally is taking.
The WWE says the tests are "negative" without telling you that, "yeah he takes them, but under a doctor's prescription."
It's like testing negative for cocaine because you have a prescription for a certain amount. |
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| otherone4life |
| Maybe we (and our representatives) should be asking why this "sport" seems to have such a high rate of suicide/early death .. |
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| Metsfan526 |
Thats what I think is the biggest thing here that so many people are blaming the WWE for the tribute they gave Benoit. It is not out of the ordinary for the WWE to do tribute specials for current wrestlers that passed (Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, and now Benoit). All the initial reports were that police didn't have the actual details until 10pm Monday night. That was 2 hours into the broadcast! WWE was in the mindset that Benoit had been killed, or whatever, but never would they have expected Benoit to do what he did. I don't even think it was necessary for Vince to essentially apologize last night before ECW, but I suppose it was a good move to do that.
Regardless of everything it's simply a terrible, terrible story. |
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| Psychomike |
This wasn't unfortunately, rage.
Rage crimes are over in minutes and show savage "revenge" type wounds (look at OJ's wife).
This was far stranger. He had Bibles for the bodies. It took 2 1/2 days to finish the deed.
That isn't any kind of rage. Its a darkness far worse. |
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| ricky |
I didn't have a problem with the tribute show. He gave a lot to wrestling and to the WWE. Obviously he got messed up mentally - drugs, wrestling, who knows..
His early days in WCW and especially the old (Paul Heyman/Todd Gordon) ECW were unreal. His ECW matches with Eddie Guerrero were some of the greatest all-time.
Obviously, it'll be a long time before people even look at his wrestling career. Probably never. |
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| ricky |
Quote: Originally posted by Psychomike
This wasn't unfortunately, rage.
Rage crimes are over in minutes and show savage "revenge" type wounds (look at OJ's wife).
This was far stranger. He had Bibles for the bodies. It took 2 1/2 days to finish the deed.
That isn't any kind of rage. Its a darkness far worse. |
He had some major demons. One bad weekend, you might say... |
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| SmoothyBobo |
Quote: Originally posted by Psychomike
The suicide of Chris Benoit after killing his family has forced our mainstream media, which apparently can't cover more than one issue at a time, to drop the stories on football players suffering brain damage and long term effects from playing. Speculation on steroid abuse, which is also an issue in sports, may turn the finger on WWE but the NFL faces the same issues. The difference? WWE wrestlers have no union. SAG doesn't consider them actors, sports unions don't consider them athletes. They are both. And they are alone.
They remain at the mercy of promoters.
Though the Tribute show has been bashed by mainstream media as hucksterism, they don't get that a storyline with Vince McMahon murdered seemed in bad taste with Benoits death and was abandoned. Wrestling doesn't do things in good taste very often, this one backfired.
I did not think Benoit did this when I first heard the story. My first thought was, "Who murdered him?"
I'm sure the WWE was thinking the same.
Benoit was the wrestler who brought wrestling moves and holds into the action and I don't believe I ever saw him do a bad show. He was a people's favorite for years, and the WWE had done instant tributes like this for wreslters before.
At any rate, the NFL can breath easier now that the pressure is off them. |
WGAS you wordy fuck |
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| Psychomike |
1,029 hits in less than 10 hours smoothybobo
What did you do when Howard talked about the case for a half hour today? |
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| Cheri |
| The "Crippler Crossface" isn't even a chokehold. You don't even touch their neck in the move, it's the chin. :rolleyes: |
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| Mr. Joshua |
Quote: Originally posted by navinjohnson999
they all use roids
you are right
stallone etc.. anybody with an unnatural looking body uses the juice |
He was the most JACKED 40 year old ever.
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| Psychomike |
The Crippler Crossface was actually a move created by the great Dean Malenko.
This from TMZ.com:
Bobby Cutts, Jr. and Chris Benoit, the alleged child murderers whose cases are all over the news, have an unlikely lady link -- former NFL cheerleader/model Nikki Giavasis.
Giavasis has been everywhere -- "Today," "Good Morning America," CNN, MSNBC -- portraying Cutts, her former boyfriend and baby daddy, as "aggressive" and "threatening" -- and testifying to his potential to be a murderer. Cutts is the father of Nikki's nine-year-old daughter, and he has two other kids. In 1998, Giavasis was at home with former NBA star Shawn Kemp, when Cutts allegedly tried to break in.
Here's the crazy link: Giavasis was also featured in Wrestlemania XX, the WWE showcase that was won by none other than Benoit. Nikki was part of the WWE "Hot Team."
Giavasis' other credits include a starring role in the instructional video, "Becoming a Pro Cheer Leader" [sic] and appearances on reality series "The Casino" and ProActiv spots. She also claims in her bio that she has a genius-level IQ |
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| ricky |
Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Joshua
He was the most JACKED 40 year old ever.
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My opinion, he's been on the juice for the last 15 years or so. |
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| Cheri |
| The hold wasn't invented by Dean. He knows a lot of holds, and introduced the hold to Benoit when he was looking for a signature hold. |
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| Syxxpac78 |
| Just goes to show what effects pro wrestling can do to someone, both physically and mentally. These guys are always on the road, most of them are juiced out of their minds, nevere see their families, half of them are all coked up, drink, etc. They live show to show and it's a tough life, no excuse for what Benoit did, but still, I think the wrestling business is fatally flawed |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by JoeyBoots
the top peeps at the wwe im sure were very aware of hs past history where his wife filed for divorce in 2003 and got an order of protection stating she feared he would hurt her or the child......she had it and the divorce petition recinded 4 months later according to the radio report i heard yesterday........you cant tell me they were not aware of his issues and also people are saying ow the hints were out there for over a year that he was mentally unstable yet nobody interceeded but rather he was pushed to perform perform perform and deliver......he obviously delivered by roiding the fuck up like they all do.......you nor anyone can tell me these guys get that big on their own....bullshit.....they all do it........you may like wrestling and be a big fan but be real and not an apologist for vince and the wwe...... they wreak of sleeze. :hw: |
Boots, you are right on the money. |
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| knucklecup |
| steroids cannot play any role in this, "roid rage" is a myth, I hate the media. |
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| peoplejuice |
| The tragedy of Chris Benoit is that he didn't kill every wrestler and wrestling fan. |
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| Cheri |
Quote: Originally posted by knucklecup
steroids cannot play any role in this, "roid rage" is a myth, I hate the media. |
Roid rage most certainly is NOT a myth. It's quite true. |
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| DrGunt |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
The tragedy of Chris Benoit is that he didn't kill every wrestler and wrestling fan. |
ditto |
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| tommyboy40 |
| he most certainly was on the juice...but the deaths were highly calculated, and planned. By no means did he "snap" like someone suffering from roid rage does with uncontrolable outrage. He killed 2 people, himself, sent text messages, made up an excuse to miss wrestling shows., all over a 3 day period. That by no means exemplies someone "snapping" like they claim roid rage does. That shows someone had a plan and executed it . |
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| joepoker |
everybody jumping on steroids and "roid rage" are absolutely ignorant dumbfucks. i've never used juice, but being around a pro bodybuilder and many amateur bodybuilders, i can tell you many of these guys that dont even try to hide that they use are some of the nicest and calmest people you could know. when a sane, rational person uses juice, hes still the same sane, rational person, just bigger. when an already prick asshole with an ego uses juice, he becomes a physically bigger asshole with a much bigger ego. thats where all the "rageeeee" comes from that is then sensationalized by the media and believed by all you retards.
of course benoit used juice. its obvious. just like many pro wrestlers and many pro athletes. the stuff simply works wonders. but if it really causes uncontrollable "roid rage", why arent a high percentage of wrestlers, athletes, and bodybuilders killing, raping, and everything else to all of humanity? why when something like this happens, everybody wants to blame steroids as the cause? how many psychos have come and gone and done similar things? were they all on juice too? could it not possibly be that benoit was just fucked up in his head like some of these other mentally unstable people that did similar acts? nooooooooo, not possible. if you take steroids, you will end up killing your wife and child!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| vashier |
Quote: Originally posted by Psychomike
This wasn't unfortunately, rage.
Rage crimes are over in minutes and show savage "revenge" type wounds (look at OJ's wife).
This was far stranger. He had Bibles for the bodies. It took 2 1/2 days to finish the deed.
That isn't any kind of rage. Its a darkness far worse. |
Who's to say he didn't get home and have his wife tell him she was screwing around... he rages and kills her...
A day later the son is in bed whining he's hungry and why can't he go see his mommy, he rages a second time yelling I'll send you to see your mommy right now and kills him.
You folks defending benoit do not know the real man. You only know what you've taught yourself about them, not what you've learned from first hand experiences with him. |
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| Ultra Warrior |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
The tragedy of Chris Benoit is that he didn't kill every wrestler and wrestling fan. |
or maybe he should have started with small minded assholes like yourself. :rolleyes: |
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| peoplejuice |
Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
or maybe he should have started with small minded assholes like yourself. :rolleyes: |
He knew better than to mess with a real man like me. Fragile X kids and sick women were his level. Go get one last sniff of his trunks before he is buried. |
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| thrillermiller |
| what makes wwe stars worse than say body builders or stallone or even pro athletes is that they are on the road year round and they got to be pumped up 365 days a year. They got to do amphetamines to get up for the show, roids to maintain the look and pain killers for their injuries. They are all a bunch of lab experiments. |
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| Ultra Warrior |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
He knew better than to mess with a real man like me. Fragile X kids and sick women were his level. Go get one last sniff of his trunks before he is buried. |
Easy to say this bullshit after the guy is dead. I'm sure he could have fucked you up had you ever had the balls to talk this line of shit to his face. :rolleyes:
Benoit is a scumbag for what he did but you are a loudmouthed bullshit artist talking smack over the Internet. :rolleyes: |
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| peoplejuice |
Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
Easy to say this bullshit after the guy is dead. I'm sure he could have fucked you up had you ever had the balls to talk this line of shit to his face. :rolleyes:
Benoit is a scumbag for what he did but you are a loudmouthed bullshit artist talking smack over the Internet. :rolleyes: |
You are sure of that because you lap up propaganda from Vince McMahon's asshole. |
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| thrillermiller |
Quote: Originally posted by knucklecup
steroids cannot play any role in this, "roid rage" is a myth, I hate the media. |
That's bullshit. in one of the dumber stages of my life i fucked around with that shit and it turned me into a different person. I am generally a real laid back dude and i was starting shit every time i went out when i was on the juice. Than i would get all fucked up depressed and i only did it for a short time. i could see how someone juiced out 24/7 for years could get real fucked up in the head. |
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| Ultra Warrior |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
You are sure of that because you lap up propaganda from Vince McMahon's asshole. |
Actually I fucking despise Vince McMahon so you'd be wrong in this case, skippy but for someone wishing the death of wrestling fans, you sure do know a lot about it. :rolleyes: |
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| peoplejuice |
Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
Actually I fucking despise Vince McMahon so you'd be wrong in this case, skippy but for someone wishing the death of wrestling fans, you sure do know a lot about it. :rolleyes: |
Yea despise him so much you are a loyal sheep to his products. |
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| Cheri |
Quote: Originally posted by joepoker
everybody jumping on steroids and "roid rage" are absolutely ignorant dumbfucks. i've never used juice, but being around a pro bodybuilder and many amateur bodybuilders, i can tell you many of these guys that dont even try to hide that they use are some of the nicest and calmest people you could know. when a sane, rational person uses juice, hes still the same sane, rational person, just bigger. when an already prick asshole with an ego uses juice, he becomes a physically bigger asshole with a much bigger ego. thats where all the "rageeeee" comes from that is then sensationalized by the media and believed by all you retards.
of course benoit used juice. its obvious. just like many pro wrestlers and many pro athletes. the stuff simply works wonders. but if it really causes uncontrollable "roid rage", why arent a high percentage of wrestlers, athletes, and bodybuilders killing, raping, and everything else to all of humanity? why when something like this happens, everybody wants to blame steroids as the cause? how many psychos have come and gone and done similar things? were they all on juice too? could it not possibly be that benoit was just fucked up in his head like some of these other mentally unstable people that did similar acts? nooooooooo, not possible. if you take steroids, you will end up killing your wife and child!!!!!!!!!!! |
No, they just end up dying in their 30's and 40's as a result of the effects of it. Retard. |
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| Ultra Warrior |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
Yea despise him so much you are a loyal sheep to his products. |
What product am I being "Loyal" to in this thread? |
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| bababooey2uall |
Quote: Originally posted by GoldenGuinea
Vince McMahon is a fucking scumbag that will do anything for publicity and money. |
That sounds like the CEO of any successful company...sorry to burst your bubble, but that's called BUSINESS, junior... |
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| Metsfan526 |
Quote: Originally posted by vashier
Who's to say he didn't get home and have his wife tell him she was screwing around... he rages and kills her...
A day later the son is in bed whining he's hungry and why can't he go see his mommy, he rages a second time yelling I'll send you to see your mommy right now and kills him.
You folks defending benoit do not know the real man. You only know what you've taught yourself about them, not what you've learned from first hand experiences with him. |
That's gotta be the worst attempt at justifying something that I've ever read. Clearly roid rage wasn't the entire cause of this. Could it have been the cause of him killing his wife? Possibly. But then raging again and killing the kid? Doubtful. It's not like Hogan and he kept "hulking up!". This all comes across to me as a very well laid out plan. Who knows what the hell his frame of mind was, but you don't rage up and kill someone, then place a bible next to their body. Something must have been going on that he thought was impossible to deal with, then thought this was the best way to fix it. I wouldn't be shocked if the wife wanted to separate, and he wanted to keep the family together, and this was his way of doing it. My fiance is a behavioral specialist and we've talked about all of this over the last few days. Steroids may have very well played a part in this, just not roid rage. Steroids can cause severe and deep depression. |
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| ricky |
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/o..._21288897.shtml
Chris Benoit Murders: New Information Reveals Son Died Of Choke-Hold
By Jack Ryan
Jun 27, 2007
Chris Benoit Double Murder/Suicide - New information has revealed that Chris Benoit killed his son by putting him in a choke-hold.
According to Fox News, Chris Benoit murdered his 7-year-old son Daniel by putting him in a choke, something he did many times in the WWE ring...
There were also old needle injection marks on the boy's body, indicating to police that Chris was injecting his son with what is believed to be a growth hormone. It seems wrestler Chris thought his son was too small.
Chris Benoit strangled his wife Nancy to death, smothered his son, then hung himself. Chris murdered his wife and son, then hung himself in the basement of the family home.
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| peoplejuice |
Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
What product am I being "Loyal" to in this thread? |
Oh so you only "despise" McMahon in this thread? You suckle from his roided teat of sports entertainment outside this thread. |
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| knucklecup |
Quote: Originally posted by Cheri
Roid rage most certainly is NOT a myth. It's quite true. |
Sorry bud, but you're wrong.
Just like with alcohol there are happy drunks/steroid users, angry drunks/steroid users, sloppy drunks/steroid users, etc.
As an avid weightlifter, personal trainer, and student, you're just flat out wrong. Anybody who thinks it is anything but myth is clearly misinformed. |
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| Ultra Warrior |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
Oh so you only "despise" McMahon in this thread? You suckle from his roided teat of sports entertainment outside this thread. |
Are you my new Stalker or something? If you are, you'd be well aware of how much I hate Vince McMahon. :rolleyes: |
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| joepoker |
Quote: Originally posted by Cheri
No, they just end up dying in their 30's and 40's as a result of the effects of it. Retard. |
like i said, ignorant dumbfucks. if steroids caused you to die in your 30's and 40's, why is arnold still kicking in his 60s? lou ferrigno is still alive and still juicing. what about franco columbo? these are just the most famous bodybuilders of the 60s and 70s and they are still going fine just like many of their peers. keep believing what the media feeds you and keep being ignorant.
when ken caminetti died a few years ago, everybody wanted to blame steroids. but the dude was a major coke head. any wrestler, or bodybuilder, or athlete that dies young and steroids get blamed for their death, they are all on loads of other drugs, like meth, coke, painkillers, etc. those drugs in massive amounts are causing the early deaths.
plenty of bodybuilders and athletes from the 60s, 70s, and 80s that used steroids, and only steroids, are still going fine today. and if anybody says "well what about lyle alzado?", you deserve a kick in the teeth. his own doctor even said steroids had no link to his type of brain cancer but it was a common form in AIDS patients. lyle had aids, but at that time was ashamed to admit it and admit he was bisexual, so he blamed steroids to hide the truth and the media fed it to all you "Retards". |
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| peoplejuice |
Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
Are you my new Stalker or something? If you are, you'd be well aware of how much I hate Vince McMahon. :rolleyes: |
I guess I shouldn't speak to you as if your brain functions. I know you claim to hate him, you said so in this thread. I am not aware of whatever WWE worshipping gay shit you say elsewhere. But you watch the garbage McMahon profits from and defend his greasy, drug-fueled actors. You and dumbfucks like you are his money tree no matter how much you "hate" him on the internet. Keep "hating" him just like he wants you to. You are his pawn. |
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| Metsfan526 |
Quote: Originally posted by peoplejuice
I guess I shouldn't speak to you as if your brain functions. I know you claim to hate him, you said so in this thread. I am not aware of whatever WWE worshipping gay shit you say elsewhere. But you watch the garbage McMahon profits from and defend his greasy, drug-fueled actors. You and dumbfucks like you are his money tree no matter how much you "hate" him on the internet. Keep "hating" him just like he wants you to. You are his pawn. |
Vince McMahon profits from the same things produced by anyone in this country. You'll find it | | | | | |
