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| VacateTheWord |
Gee Bill, you just want to avoid the threat of Al Qaeda in Iraq like you shrugged off Al Qaeda in Afghanistan back in the 1990's. Yeah, it would be such a great idea to get your wife in as President so that we can go back to those "successful" times we had against terror.
Pathetic.
Bill Clinton criticizes Bush on Iraq
Former President Bill Clinton on Thursday criticized President George W. Bush's administration for failing in Iraq, saying their was no evidence of much-needed political or diplomatic progress.
"The point is, that there is no military victory here ," he said in an interview on ABC's Good Morning America.
Clinton's wife Hillary is running for the Democratic nomination for president and she has been calling on Bush to pull troops out of Iraq.
"There is no evidence that, whether we have a good day in a particular community or region in Iraq, that we have either the political reconciliation process within the country working or any diplomatic process that's got a chance to help with the neighbors," the former Democratic president said.
Washington has been urging Iraq for months to pass important laws aimed at reconciling majority Shi'ites and minority Sunni Arabs. So far only one of the draft laws aimed at drawing Sunnis more firmly into the political process has reached the Iraqi parliament.
Bush, who has been under pressure to change the course of the increasingly unpopular war, has said he is waiting for a September progress report from his U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus.
"I believe that Gen. Petraeus is a very able man and I don't have any doubts that they'll win some battles," Clinton said. "I hope this works. I think every American hopes this works. But it can't work beyond winning a few battles. It has to be accompanied by ... progress on the political front."
On Monday, Bush's fellow Republicans in the Senate blocked a Democratic proposal to force a withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq.
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CIA Said Instability Seemed 'Irreversible'
By Bob Woodward
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 12, 2007; A01
Early on the morning of Nov. 13, 2006, members of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group gathered around a dark wooden conference table in the windowless Roosevelt Room of the White House.
For more than an hour, they listened to President Bush give what one panel member called a "Churchillian" vision of "victory" in Iraq and defend the country's prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki. "A constitutional order is emerging," he said.
Later that morning, around the same conference table, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden painted a starkly different picture for members of the study group. Hayden said "the inability of the government to govern seems irreversible," adding that he could not "point to any milestone or checkpoint where we can turn this thing around," according to written records of his briefing and the recollections of six participants.
"The government is unable to govern," Hayden concluded. "We have spent a lot of energy and treasure creating a government that is balanced, and it cannot function."
Later in the interview, he qualified the statement somewhat: "A government that can govern, sustain and defend itself is not achievable," he said, "in the short term."
Hayden's bleak assessment, which came just a week after Republicans had lost control of Congress and Bush had dismissed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, was a pivotal moment in the study group's intensive examination of the Iraq war, and it helped shape its conclusion in its final report that the situation in Iraq was "grave and deteriorating."
In the eight months since the interview, neither Hayden nor any other high-ranking administration official has publicly described the Iraqi government in the uniformly negative terms that the CIA director used in his closed-door briefing.
Among the 79 specific recommendations the Iraq Study Group made to Bush was withdrawing support for the Maliki government unless it showed "substantial progress" on security and national reconciliation. And it recommended changing the primary mission of U.S. forces from combat to training Iraqis so that combat units could be withdrawn by early 2008.
In effect, the report from the bipartisan group -- co-chaired by former secretary of state James A. Baker III, a Republican, and former congressman Lee H. Hamilton (D-Ind.) -- was an urgent message from the old Washington establishment to the Bush administration to change the direction of its Iraq policy. But Bush did not initially embrace any of the key recommendations, although bipartisan groups in the House and Senate have recently introduced legislation that would make them official U.S. policy.
Instead, the president in January announced that he was sending more troops to Iraq as part of a "surge," which he said would lead to the victory that had so far eluded U.S. forces.
Both Bush and Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, have repeatedly said that there is no military solution to Iraq and that the sectarian strife and the insurgency can be resolved only by the Iraqi government.
Hayden's description of Iraq's dysfunctional government provides some insight into the intelligence community's analysis of Maliki and the situation on the ground. Five days before his testimony, national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley had written a memo to Bush raising doubts about Maliki's ability to curb violence in Iraq, but his assessment was not as bleak as Hayden's.
Bush's own optimistic statement to members of the study group did not reflect the viewpoint of his CIA director. But a statement from another administration official interviewed by the panel the same day -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice -- took it into account.
Asked by former Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O'Connor, a member of the study group, if she was aware of the CIA's grim evaluation of Iraq, Rice replied, "We are aware of the dark assessment," but quickly added: "It is not without hope."
A spokesman for the CIA, Mark Mansfield, disputed this account of Hayden's testimony to members of the study group. "That is not an accurate reflection of what Director Hayden said at that meeting, nor does it reflect his view, then or now," Mansfield said.
A senior intelligence official familiar with Hayden's session with the Iraq Study Group said that Hayden told the panel his assessment was "somber" and acknowledged that Hayden had used the term "irreversible." But the official insisted that Hayden instead said, "The current situation, with regard to governance in Iraq, was probably irreversible in the short term, because of the world views of many of the [Iraqi] government leaders, which were shaped by a sectarian filter and a government that was organized for its ethnic and religious balance rather than competence or capacity."
But another senior intelligence official confirmed the thrust and detail of Hayden's assessment, saying that the intelligence out of Iraq this month shows that the ability of the Maliki government to execute decisions and govern Iraq remains "awful."
Hayden, 62, a four-star Air Force general and career intelligence officer, has a reputation as a candid briefer. Since 2003, the CIA, which has more than 500 personnel in Iraq to assist in providing intelligence and analysis, has offered the most pessimistic view of any intelligence agency of both the Iraqi government's performance and the situation on the ground there.
Testifying publicly before the Senate Armed Services Committee two days after meeting with the study group, Hayden was more cautious in his conclusions. He said that there were serious problems in Iraq but that the government was "functioning."
Former defense secretary William J. Perry, one of the five Democrats on the Iraq Study Group, confirmed that Hayden told them the Iraqi government seemed beyond repair.
"That was what we'd been hearing everywhere," Perry said. "He just said it a little more clearly and more explicitly than other people."
O'Connor, a Republican, also confirmed Hayden's assessment. She said she did not agree with his conclusion that it was irreversible, but she said she was pessimistic.
"It is a dire situation," she said. "I don't think it has gotten any better. It just breaks your heart. . . . Iraqi people are dying, American soldiers are dying. So far it does not seem we have achieved any kind of security there."
Arriving at the White House on the morning of Nov. 13, members of the study group spent the day interviewing almost every key figure involved in Iraq policy. In addition to Hayden, Bush and Rice, they also questioned Rumsfeld; Gen. Peter Pace, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Zalmay Khalilzad, then U.S. ambassador to Iraq; and, by videoconference from Baghdad, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., then the top U.S. commander in Iraq.
Bush was joined in the interview by Vice President Cheney, White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten and Hadley, but they did not speak. "We thought with that whole group there, we were going to get briefings, we were going to get discussions," said Perry. "Instead the president held forth on his views on how important the war was, and how it was tough."
In his meeting with members of the study group, Hayden described a situation in which the Iraqi government either would not or could not control the violence consuming the country and questioned whether it made sense to strengthen its security forces. He depicted the United States as facing mainly bad choices in the future.
"Our leaving Iraq would make the situation worse," Hayden said. "Our staying in Iraq may not make it better. Our current approach without modification will not make it better."
According to the written record and others in the room, Hayden at one point likened the situation in Iraq to a marathon. He said there comes a point in each race when the runner knows he can complete the challenge. But Hayden said he could see no such point in Iraq's future.
"The levers of power are not connected to anything," he said, adding: "We have placed all of our energies in creating the center, and the center cannot accomplish anything."
Numerous U.S. generals already had told the study group that success in Iraq could not come without national reconciliation between the Sunnis and Shiites. Hayden agreed, saying: "The Iraqi identity is muted. The Sunni or Shia identity is foremost."
But he clearly saw no end to sectarian killings. "Given the level of uncontrolled violence," Hayden said, "the most we can do is to contain its excesses and preserve the possibility of reconciliation in the future."
He compared the Iraq situation to the prolonged warfare in the Balkans. "In Bosnia, the parties fought themselves to exhaustion," Hayden said, suggesting that the same scenario could play out in Iraq. "They might just have to fight this out to exhaustion."
Hayden catalogued what he saw as the main sources of violence in this order: the insurgency, sectarian strife, criminality, general anarchy and, lastly, al-Qaeda. Though Hayden had listed al-Qaeda as the fifth most pressing threat in Iraq, Bush regularly lists al-Qaeda first.
Members of the study group said Hayden's stark assessment of the Iraqi government dovetailed with what they had heard in September during their visit to Iraq. There, they met with a senior CIA official who held an equally unenthusiastic view. "Maliki was nobody's pick," the CIA official had said, according to written notes from that meeting. "His name came up late. He has no real power base in the country or in parliament. We need not expect much from him."
Given the constant threats and persistent violence, the official had said, it was remarkable that Iraqi government employees showed up for work.
"We continue to be amazed that the Iraqis accept such high levels of violence," he told the study group. "Maliki thinks two car bombs a day, 100 dead a day, is okay. It's sustainable and his government is survivable."
But the government itself was responsible for some of that violence, the CIA official said. "The Ministry of Interior is uniformed death squads, overseers of jails and torture facilities," he said. "Their funds are constantly misappropriated."
In his testimony, Hayden said that the United States had fundamental disagreements with Maliki's Shiite-dominated government on some of the most basic issues facing Iraq.
"We and the Iraqi government do not agree on who the enemy is," Hayden said, according to the written record. "For all the senior leaders of the Iraqi government, Baathists are the source of evil. There is a Baathist behind every bush."
Several participants in the interview described Hayden as dismayed by the startling level of violence in the country but skeptical of the ability of Iraqi forces -- either the military or the police -- to do anything about it.
"It's a legitimate question whether strengthening the Iraqi security forces helps or hurts when they are viewed as a predatory element," he said. "Strengthening Iraqi security forces is not unalloyed good. Without qualification, this judgment applies to the police."
In one bit of qualified good news, he said that the training of the Iraqi army had produced better results than that of the police. "The army is uneven," he said, adding: "Uneven, in this case, is good."
Hayden's frustration with Maliki provides a context to the administration's continuing efforts to pressure the Iraqi leader into finding a political settlement between Sunni and Shiite factions in Iraq. During one week last month, three senior administration officials visited Baghdad to try to speed up the political process.
In her testimony Nov. 13, Rice recounted her discussions with Maliki in which she bluntly told him the importance of making progress on national unity and reconciliation. Rice said she had told the prime minister, "Pretty soon, you'll all be swinging from lampposts if you don't hang together."
Brady Dennis and Evelyn Duffy contributed to this report.
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
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I smell...desperation |
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| EconPhenom |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
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Is that where you get all your information? The tabloids?? Pathetic. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
wow, now he tells us
thanks bill ..late as always
am i permitted to comment here ? i wanna make it clear i didn't bring up bill clinton |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
wow, now he tells us
thanks bill ..late as always
am i permitted to comment here ? i wanna make it clear i didn't bring up bill clinton |
Talk about him all you want... you voted for him...... TWICE!!!!!
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
God you are a confused moron. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Talk about him all you want... you voted for him...... TWICE!!!!!
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
God you are a confused moron. |
your right i did...and i admit it ..why are you laughing you would vote for him again |
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| Fdubya247 |
Gen. Patraeus said there is no MILITARY SOLUTION as well.
:opps:
Thanks for exposing your own cockroach ignorance to the board again, Shithead. |
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| fastfingersfunk |
I LIKE THIS CLINTON!!! WE BOMBED HIM IN 1993 AT WORLD TRADE CENTER AND HE DIDN'T EVEN FLINCH, HE ACTED LIKE NOTHING HAPPEN. WOW MAN, HE IS, HOW DO YOU SAY IN AMERICA, COOL?!!! |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by EconPhenom
Is that where you get all your information? The tabloids?? Pathetic. |
No, that's called a google image search, moron.
Stick around - you'll see I post articles from the mainstream media, junior. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Gen. Patraeus said there is no MILITARY SOLUTION as well.
:opps:
Thanks for exposing your own cockroach ignorance to the board again, Shithead. |
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General Petraeus was specifically talking about the sectarian violence - that the only solution to that is a political one (i.e. reconciliation between the Sunnis and Shiites). He wasn't talking about Al Qaeda in Iraq.
But thanks for playing - it's like a fun game of swatting flies with your pathetic defense of Bill and Hillary Clinton. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:lol:
General Petraeus was specifically talking about the sectarian violence - that the only solution to that is a political one (i.e. reconciliation between the Sunnis and Shiites). He wasn't talking about Al Qaeda in Iraq.
But thanks for playing - it's like a fun game of swatting flies with your pathetic defense of Bill and Hillary Clinton. |
Illiterate fuck. Here is what you highlighted:
"Former President Bill Clinton on Thursday criticized President George W. Bush's administration for failing in Iraq, saying their was no evidence of much-needed political or diplomatic progress.
"The point is, that there is no military victory here ," he said in an interview on ABC's Good Morning America."
Hmmmm. No mention of AQ. Just Iraq in general.
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
No, that's called a google image search, moron.
Stick around - you'll see I post articles from the mainstream media, junior. |
MSM
you hypocritical cunt :lol: |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Illiterate fuck. Here is what you highlighted:
"Former President Bill Clinton on Thursday criticized President George W. Bush's administration for failing in Iraq, saying their was no evidence of much-needed political or diplomatic progress.
"The point is, that there is no military victory here ," he said in an interview on ABC's Good Morning America."
Hmmmm. No mention of AQ. Just Iraq in general.
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Exactly my point. Clinton, as he did in the 1990's, completely avoids the threat of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Saying that "there is no military victory here" in Iraq when the latest NIE confirmed the fact that AQI is tied to Al Qaeda proper is completely irresponsible.
But this is what we'll get if Hillary Clinton is voted into office and takes us back to the "good old days" of the 1990s.
Keep shilling for the Clinton's, Fdubya. You are proving your naivete with every post. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Exactly my point. Clinton, as he did in the 1990's, completely avoids the threat of Al Qaeda in Iraq. |
You stupid dick! Now AQ was in Iraq during Clinton's tenure.
I am getting dizzy from this spin :D |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Exactly my point. Clinton, as he did in the 1990's, completely avoids the threat of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Saying that "there is no military victory here" in Iraq when the latest NIE confirmed the fact that AQI is tied to Al Qaeda proper is completely irresponsible.
But this is what we'll get if Hillary Clinton is voted into office and takes us back to the "good old days" of the 1990s.
Keep shilling for the Clinton's, Fdubya. You are proving your naivete with every post. |
One question will prove you to be a mongoloid fucking idiot:
Was there an "Al Qaeda In Iraq" BEFORE the invasion and occupation of Iraq? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Exactly my point. |
So your point was that Gen. Patreaus' position is no different than what you pointed out Clinton's to be?
Thanks.
*FLUSH*
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| fastfingersfunk |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
One question will prove you to be a mongoloid fucking idiot:
Was there an "Al Qaeda In Iraq" BEFORE the invasion and occupation of Iraq? |
ALLAH AKBAR!!! ASS BOIL IS INCREDIBLE WITH HIS RELENTLESS SUPPORT OF AL-QAIDA AND RADICAL ISLAM. GOOD THING CLINTON IGNORE US AFTER WE BOMB SHIT AMERICA IN 1993 AND ALLOW OUR NETWORK TO GROW. BUT AT LEAST ASS BOIL KNOWS THAT IF YOU ONLY INVADED AFGHANISTAN IT WOULD MAKE RADICAL ISLAM GO AWAY AND THE SHIT USA WOULD BE SAFE FOREVER. LMFAO!!! |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by fatfingeredfuck
ALLAH AKBAR!!! ASS BOIL IS INCREDIBLE WITH HIS RELENTLESS SUPPORT OF AL-QAIDA AND RADICAL ISLAM. GOOD THING CLINTON IGNORE US AFTER WE BOMB SHIT AMERICA IN 1993 AND ALLOW OUR NETWORK TO GROW. BUT AT LEAST ASS BOIL KNOWS THAT IF YOU ONLY INVADED AFGHANISTAN IT WOULD MAKE RADICAL ISLAM GO AWAY AND THE SHIT USA WOULD BE SAFE FOREVER. LMFAO!!! |
People were arrested and convicted within our existing justice system for the 1993 attack. Maybe you were at band camp then and missed it..... And since Clinton had been in office only a few weeks when that attack occured, wouldn't you need to pin that attack on Bush1 if you will at the same time say Bush2 is not responsible for allowing 9/11 after doing NOTHING for 9 months in office?
Bill Press: Don't blame it on Bill Clinton
By Bill Press
Tribune Media Services
WASHINGTON (Tribune Media Services) --Here is one of the first rules of politics: It’s not enough that I do well; I must also destroy my enemy.
Sadly, even in America’s war against terrorism, that rule still drives a lot of Republicans. I see it on the op-ed pages. I get avalanches of it in my e-mail. I hear it in their public statements. For them, it's not enough that most Americans give George W. Bush credit for doing a good job in leading the nation against Osama bin Laden. They're not satisfied unless everybody also holds Bill Clinton responsible for getting us into this mess.
Yet the evidence shows his detractors have more to answer for than he does.
The attacks of September 11 were only a few hours old when conservative Congressman Dana Rohrbacher, R-California, blamed Clinton, not the terrorists: “We had Bill Clinton, backing off, letting the Taliban go, over and over again.”
Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh trumpeted on the pages of the Wall Street Journal: “Mr. Clinton can be held culpable for not doing enough when he was commander-in-chief to combat the terrorists who wound up attacking the World Trade Center and Pentagon.”
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who resigned in disgrace, also chimed in, citing Clinton’s “pathetically weak, ineffective ability to focus and stay focused.”
Don't you love it? Gingrich and company derail the president and the country for two whole years over a minor sex scandal in the White House -- magnifying one act of oral sex into a full time, $50 million Independent Counsel investigation, weeks of House Judiciary Committee hearings, impeachment by the House of Representatives and trial in the Senate -- and then they accuse Clinton of not staying focused on government business!
Have they no shame?
The truth, of course, is just the opposite. Given how distracted he was by the Lewinsky scandal, (which was of his own making, but blown out of proportion by his political enemies), it’s amazing Clinton was able to continue governing at all. And during that time, as The Washington Post reveals, he did a great deal to combat terrorism, much of it behind the scenes.
Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of 1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan, following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside Afghanistan -- U. S. strikes missed bin Laden by only a couple of hours.
Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have stirred up even more criticism.
So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.
Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in 1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist activities against the United States.
As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60 commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden. The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a new government took over.
In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging area for forays into Afghanistan.
Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996, his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks, Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.
Conclusion: Rohrbacher, Limbaugh, Gingrich are dead wrong when they blame Bill Clinton for September 11. Did Clinton get Osama bin Laden “dead or alive?” No, but he came close, several times -- long before tracking down terrorists became a national priority.
Find this article at:
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| JTProcess |
In regards to the headline....
The truth is always much more painful than a carefully constructed lie. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
People were arrested and convicted within our existing justice system for the 1993 attack. |
Clinton didn't find it necessary to use it as an excuse to completely wipe his ass with the Constitution....
...unlike der Fuhrer Bush.
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
So your point was that Gen. Patreaus' position is no different than what you pointed out Clinton's to be?
Thanks.
*FLUSH*
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Clinton didn't find it necessary to use it as an excuse to completely wipe his ass with the Constitution....
...unlike der Fuhrer Bush.
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your right. he was too busy sexually harrassing woman and raping to even worry about the constitution |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
your right. he was too busy sexually harrassing woman and raping to even worry about the constitution |
Name one, Piglet.
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
your right. he was too busy sexually harrassing woman and raping to even worry about the constitution |
escape hatch deployed |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
escape hatch deployed |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
So your point was that Gen. Patreaus' position is no different than what you pointed out Clinton's to be?
Thanks.
*FLUSH*
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Nope - you have a reading compehension problem.
I'll try to make this as simple as possible:
General Petraeus said "there is no military solution" in regards to the sectarian violence. This ultimately requires political reconciliation.
Bill Clinton is making a blanket statement in regards to the War in Iraq which includes fighting Al Qaeda and other elements (read the current NIE).
So you see the difference, right? Well, probably not, but I tried. |
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ALLAH AKBAR!!! AND LMAO @ BOIL (MY POINT FLEW OVER YOUR HEAD)!!! IT"S NOT A MATTER OF WHO'S FAULT IT IS, THAT IS MY POINT. MY POINT IS THAT RADICAL ISLAM IS GOING TO DISRUPT YOUR COUNTRY NO MATTER WHO IS PRESIDENT, NO MATTER WHO OFFERS US REST. PEACE DID NOT WORK AND WE WILL NOT STOP. BUT YOU ARE A GREAT MIND, YOU WISH TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT WHEN RADICAL ISLAM HAUNTS YOU IN 20 YEARS THIS FIGHT IN THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD LOOK LIKE A PICNIC BECAUSE THE MIDDLE EAST WILL ONLY BE STRONGER IF YOU WAIT!!! ALLAH AKBAR!!! AND ALTHOUGH I LIKE YOU ASS BOIL, MAY ALLAH SPITE YOU AT THE NECK AND BOWL A STRIKE WITH YOUR IGNORANT HEAD. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Nope - you have a reading compehension problem.
I'll try to make this as simple as possible:
General Petraeus said "there is no military solution" in regards to the sectarian violence. This ultimately requires political reconciliation.
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What do you think is happening in Iraq, you dumb fuck? |
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| ihateralphiec |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
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My interpretation of this post:
Osama was busy plotting against our country, while the press (because of the never ending, ever widening witch hunt of the right wing) was busy worrying that our commander and chief gets a little side trim even though throughout history powerful men get side trim all the time. And therefore, the president may have had to spend extra time on a stupid problem instead of more time on a real one. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by ihateralphiec
...Osama was busy plotting against our country, while the press (because of the never ending, ever widening witch hunt of the right wing) |
"New York Post"
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VaCunt is such a fucking tool. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by fatfingeredfuck
ALLAH AKBAR!!! ASS BOIL IS INCREDIBLE WITH HIS RELENTLESS SUPPORT OF AL-QAIDA AND RADICAL ISLAM. GOOD THING CLINTON IGNORE US AFTER WE BOMB SHIT AMERICA IN 1993 AND ALLOW OUR NETWORK TO GROW. BUT AT LEAST ASS BOIL KNOWS THAT IF YOU ONLY INVADED AFGHANISTAN IT WOULD MAKE RADICAL ISLAM GO AWAY AND THE SHIT USA WOULD BE SAFE FOREVER. LMFAO!!! |
Wrong again. This is the post I replied to, idiot. You said Clinton "IGNORED" al qaeda, I provided proof he did not. You are wrong. And those responsible for the 93 attack you referred to were arrested and convicted without shredding the Constitution.
And since our own intel agencies agree the Iraq war is creating MORE terrorists and MORE global terrorism, your favored policy of invading and occupying countries with no al qaeda present is a proven FAILURE.
Try another talking point Mr. fake Independent. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Name one, Piglet.
:rolleyes: |
paula jones, genefer flowers |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
paula jones, genefer flowers |
Yeah, they were raped...
:rolleyes:
Stupid Piglet. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
vacatetheword,
you had a valid point all the way up until the point where you posted the pic of bin laden and then newspapers of bill clintons sex scandals. i think you really shouldnt try and pretend like clintons infidelities have any creedence on his foriegn policy stance. another poster said it smelled like desperation, and i can understand why he says that. i think youre a pretty bright person and i agree on some of the stuff you say, but i think it lowers your credibility slightly when you lower yourself to posting the same sex scandal nonsense over and over again like dude-here.
im not sure why clintons infidelities in his marriage left such an indelible mark on you guys. but i seem to recall gingrich had an extra marital affair during the time he was trying to hang clinton out to dry so maybe we should just stop harping on marriage issues as a way of proving some sort of argumentative dominance over each other. |
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Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
paula jones, genefer flowers |
clinton was never convicted on rape and im almost sure he was never even put on trial for rape. you should probably find something new to obsess over. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
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What do you think is happening in Iraq, you dumb fuck? |
youve been pretty irate lately. are you having problems at work/home? i think both you and mike should probably take a small vacation from this site |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Nope - you have a reading compehension problem.
I'll try to make this as simple as possible:
General Petraeus said "there is no military solution" in regards to the sectarian violence. This ultimately requires political reconciliation. |
So then what exactly is there a military solution to? Nothing in Iraq obviously.
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You are one delusional fucktard.
Clinton and Petraeus are on the exact same page you stupid Turd-Polishing half-ass Nazi!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!!!
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ihateralphiec
My interpretation of this post:
Osama was busy plotting against our country, while the press (because of the never ending, ever widening witch hunt of the right wing) was busy worrying that our commander and chief gets a little side trim even though throughout history powerful men get side trim all the time. And therefore, the president may have had to spend extra time on a stupid problem instead of more time on a real one. |
Well, I'm sure that Monica did not consume all of his time. It was only a few times and I think she got a dress out of it. So... |
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