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| SaintJimmy |
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The left's perspective:
That's horrible - 27 innocents dead for no good reason.
The right's perspective:
They made it through the semi-finals!!!! WOOO- HOOO!!! |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19955222/
The left's perspective:
That's horrible - 27 innocents dead for no good reason.
The right's perspective:
They made it through the semi-finals!!!! WOOO- HOOO!!! |
The left's perspective:
Thanks for telling us Saint Jimmy, you're doing a great thing for Americans by shedding light on the truth
The right's perspective:
Saint Jimmy is an America Hating libatard who gives aid and comfort to our enemies |
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| Oz |
| soccer sucks and this is the main reason why - all the bombings. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
soccer sucks. |
I fixed your post |
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| VacateTheWord |
The Left's persepective:
The ongoing violence is a direct result of the presence of American troops (i.e. it's our fault). What is required is not a surge in miltiary force to fight terrorists but a "diplomatic surge." We need to pull out as soon as possible to let the Iraqis resolve their differences.
The Right's perspective:
The ongoing violence is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq and other terror elements and sectarian violence that was put into motion when AQI bombed the mosque in Samarra. This story shows that regular Iraqi citizens can pull together as a nation, however the terrorists seek to undermine that by any means necessary, keep the cycle of violence going and thus further weaken the political will back in the US. We must take the fight to these terrorists - a "diplomatic surge" is pointless as you cannot have a rational discussion with a group of people who are willing to indiscriminately bomb men, women and children. |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The Left's persepective:
The ongoing violence is a direct result of the presence of American troops (i.e. it's our fault). What is required is not a surge in miltiary force to fight terrorists but a "diplomatic surge." We need to pull out as soon as possible to let the Iraqis resolve their differences.
The Right's perspective:
The ongoing violence is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq and other terror elements and sectarian violence that was put into motion when AQI bombed the mosque in Samarra. This story shows that regular Iraqi citizens can pull together as a nation, however the terrorists seek to undermine that by any means necessary, keep the cycle of violence going and thus further weaken the political will back in the US. We must take the fight to these terrorists - a "diplomatic surge" is pointless as you cannot have a rational discussion with a group of people who are willing to indiscriminately bomb men, women and children. |
Ditto |
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| tom sizemore |
| SELDOM HAVE I SEEN 2 BIGGER FAGGOTS ON THIS SITE..... |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
Ditto |
With respect to the violence that's there because of Al-Qaeda, was Al-Qaeda there before Bush attacked the place? What's your opinion on that? |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
a group of people who are willing to indiscriminately bomb men, women and children. |
You're gonna have to be more specific. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
Ditto |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by atomizer
With respect to the violence that's there because of Al-Qaeda, was Al-Qaeda there before Bush attacked the place? What's your opinion on that? |
From the reports, ther was little if any Al-Qaida before we invaded. That is pretty well known.
That really has little bearing on the situation in Iraq today, however. |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by tom sizemore
SELDOM HAVE I SEEN 2 BIGGER FAGGOTS ON THIS SITE..... |
That was extremely clever. A true zinger. |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
From the reports, ther was little if any Al-Qaida before we invaded. That is pretty well known.
That really has little bearing on the situation in Iraq today, however. |
why not? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The Left's persepective:
The ongoing violence is a direct result of the presence of American troops (i.e. it's our fault). What is required is not a surge in miltiary force to fight terrorists but a "diplomatic surge." We need to pull out as soon as possible to let the Iraqis resolve their differences.
The Right's perspective:
The ongoing violence is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq and other terror elements and sectarian violence that was put into motion when AQI bombed the mosque in Samarra. This story shows that regular Iraqi citizens can pull together as a nation, however the terrorists seek to undermine that by any means necessary, keep the cycle of violence going and thus further weaken the political will back in the US. We must take the fight to these terrorists - a "diplomatic surge" is pointless as you cannot have a rational discussion with a group of people who are willing to indiscriminately bomb men, women and children. |
The Left's perspective:
We should have never created this stupid clusterfuck to begin with. And considering Bush's track record in life, he should have been the last person we let run anything regarding the country.
The Right's perspective:
*slurp slurp* Dat sure tastes good Mistuh Prezadent! HYUK HYUK! |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
why not? |
So you are questioning the importance of Iraq as a front in the War on Terror given Al Qaeda's presence the country? Please elaboate.
While you are mulling this over, consider the fact that Al Qaeda proper used to be in Afghanistan but retreated to the tribal areas in Pakistan. Does that mean that Pakistan shouldn't be a concern? |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
So you are questioning the importance of Iraq as a front in the War on Terror given Al Qaeda's presence the country? Please elaboate.
While you are mulling this over, consider the fact that Al Qaeda proper used to be in Afghanistan but retreated to the tribal areas in Pakistan. Does that mean that Pakistan shouldn't be a concern? |
first off john's rod should be able to answer his post
but you've chosen to respond to my post with more questions - feel free to answer it with an answer - I'm curious
I personally don't believe Iraq was a front on in the "War on Terror". And if you believe any of the multitude of reason we went into Iraq then this is the one that settles with you the best?
now you have a really bad habit of not answering what is asked of you so it would be appreciated if you addressed this top down - thanks! |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
So you are questioning the importance of Iraq as a front in the War on Terror given Al Qaeda's presence the country? Please elaboate.
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Why is al-Qaeda in Iraq? Who's fault is that?
Do any of you (even the twenties) find the fact that the lie regarding al-Qaeda being in Iraq as a false tool to carve out dick Cheeney's Energy Commission Oil Grab attack has actually turned into the truth? Self-fulfilling prophecy in an awful and expensive way.
Bush never had to miss a beat. "al-Qaeda's in Iraq. al-Qaeda's in Iraq" the lie turned into "al-Qaeda's in Iraq. al-Qaeda's in Iraq" the truth. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
first off john's rod should be able to answer his post
but you've chosen to respond to my post with more questions - feel free to answer it with an answer - I'm curious
I personally don't believe Iraq was a front on in the "War on Terror". And if you believe any of the multitude of reason we went into Iraq then this is the one that settles with you the best?
now you have a really bad habit of not answering what is asked of you so it would be appreciated if you addressed this top down - thanks! |
You are missing the point. You want to re-litigate the reasons for the invasion, knock yourself out. The fact is that Al Qaeda if firmly entrenched in Iraq, period. To go back and forth about the "why's" of an invasion that took place over 4 years ago is utterly pointless.
What "settles with me the best" is the current conditions on the ground - and those inlcude Al Qaeda.
Just as I pointed out in regards to Pakistan. It would be easy for someone (and before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm saying you said this) to say - "Oh, well Al Qaeda is in Pakistan because George Bush decided to invade Afghanistan." In the end - what difference does it make. We have to face what we are currently confronted with. If you can't grasp onto that concept, then you will never have a realistic perspective. |
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| kali |
| Quote: consider the fact that Al Qaeda proper used to be in Afghanistan but retreated to the tribal areas in Pakistan. Does that mean that Pakistan shouldn't be a concern? |
that happened because Cheney did not want to concentrate on ALL the work that had to be done in Afghanistan.
Osama apparently ran off to Pakistan. And while the relationship between Pakistan and the US isn't exactly happy-happy, THIS is an important diplomatic turning point that bushCO just dropped the ball on.
they wanted to get into Iraq SO badly that they fucked up the job they were Supposed to be doing in Afghanistan/Pakistan.
If they stayed there the rest of the world wouldn't hate the US so much and would be halping out. |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
You are missing the point. You want to re-litigate the reasons for the invasion, knock yourself out. The fact is that Al Qaeda if firmly entrenched in Iraq, period. To go back and forth about the "why's" of an invasion that took place over 4 years ago is utterly pointless.
What "settles with me the best" is the current conditions on the ground - and those inlcude Al Qaeda.
Just as I pointed out in regards to Pakistan. It would be easy for someone (and before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm saying you said this) to say - "Oh, well Al Qaeda is in Pakistan because George Bush decided to invade Afghanistan." In the end - what difference does it make. We have to face what we are currently confronted with. If you can't grasp onto that concept, then you will never have a realistic perspective. |
I never said "Oh, well Al Qaeda is in Pakistan because George Bush decided to invade Afghanistan." - why are you putting words in my mouth again?
I'm sure there are not even close to real figures on how many "Al qaeda in iraq" there are in addition to all the other folks looking to destabilize the situation - they are not a very well organized force - you give them too much credit - and I do think you need to look historically at what got us where we're at - if you don't you don't understand warfare and how to win |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
I never said "Oh, well Al Qaeda is in Pakistan because George Bush decided to invade Afghanistan." - why are you putting words in my mouth again? |
:lol:
Fuck, I meant "I'm NOT saying you said this."
Simple mix up on my part.
But no, I'm not saying you said that. |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:lol:
Fuck, I meant "I'm NOT saying you said this."
Simple mix up on my part.
But no, I'm not saying you said that. |
oh, I knew you fucked up but I couldn't resist :D |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:lol:
Fuck, I meant "I'm NOT saying you said this."
Simple mix up on my part.
But no, I'm not saying you said that. |
How many times has this happened? |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by kali
that happened because Cheney did not want to concentrate on ALL the work that had to be done in Afghanistan.
Osama apparently ran off to Pakistan. And while the relationship between Pakistan and the US isn't exactly happy-happy, THIS is an important diplomatic turning point that bushCO just dropped the ball on.
they wanted to get into Iraq SO badly that they fucked up the job they were Supposed to be doing in Afghanistan/Pakistan.
If they stayed there the rest of the world wouldn't hate the US so much and would be halping out. |
Does anyone remember , that Kery, Clinton and everyone else on capitol hill suppoerted going into Iraq...except Ron Paul. He wanted us to declare war.... |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
Does anyone remember , that Kery, Clinton and everyone else on capitol hill suppoerted going into Iraq...except Ron Paul. He wanted us to declare war.... |
Do you remember when the Bush administration lied about WMD and Saddam's ties to Al-Qaida in a fear-tactic attempt to drum up support for a needless war?
Forgot about that did you?
It's easy to get Democrats to support your nazi-istic regime when you scare them with the threat of WMD. |
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| Oz |
| you're forgetting Feingold |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
Does anyone remember , that Kery, Clinton and everyone else on capitol hill suppoerted going into Iraq...except Ron Paul. He wanted us to declare war.... |
Obama and Kusinich both opposed the war in Iraq, as well... please produce evidence that Paul wanted to "Declare war" on Iraq. :rolleyes: |
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| Bongo |
The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one
- Hitler |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by Bongo
The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one
- Hitler |
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
Adolf Hitler |
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| harley-davidson |
By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler |
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| harley-davidson |
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
Adolf Hitler |
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| harley-davidson |
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolf Hitler
How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler
Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice.
Adolf Hitler
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolf Hitler
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler
It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.
Adolf Hitler
It is not truth that matters, but victory.
Adolf Hitler |
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| harley-davidson |
| Sound familiar ? |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
From the reports, ther was little if any Al-Qaida before we invaded. That is pretty well known.
That really has little bearing on the situation in Iraq today, however. |
No, that REALITY is just that, REALITY. Not the fantasyland bush and his supporters want to believe. We brought them in. Contrary to the kool-aid sipping republican blind sheep, THAT is why they are there. For bushbots like vacunt to think that they are not there because of us, the evidence is overwhelming. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Do you remember when the Bush administration lied about WMD and Saddam's ties to Al-Qaida in a fear-tactic attempt to drum up support for a needless war?
Forgot about that did you?
It's easy to get Democrats to support your nazi-istic regime when you scare them with the threat of WMD. |
I thought they all looked at the information , as individuals. The information about the WMD's came from at least 5 different sources (CIA< ISREALI INTEL<BRITISH INTEL, ETC) How did Bush do that? Not that I support Bush, but it sounds like if your going to blame someone for invading Iraq , you should blame your entire fucking government...They supported it....but in true left fashion , thay wanted out as soon as the 1st bullet was fired, and in true right fashion, they want to keep going..... |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
I thought they all looked at the information , as individuals. The information about the WMD's came from at least 5 different sources (CIA< ISREALI INTEL<BRITISH INTEL, ETC) How did Bush do that? Not that I support Bush, but it sounds like if your going to blame someone for invading Iraq , you should blame your entire fucking government...They supported it....but in true left fashion , thay wanted out as soon as the 1st bullet was fired, and in true right fashion, they want to keep going..... |
WOW! I mean... what do all of those things have in common? Allies to America.
Let's be honest, the "Intel" all of the other sources recieved came from American inspectors. Inspectors who were later proven wrong when the U.N. inspectors then went in and found nothing.
And I do blame the entire government. I choose neither left nor right, I choose America.
Try and catch up. |
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| JTProcess |
| HA HA HA HA HA... Tom Sizemore rules. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
HA HA HA HA HA... Tom Sizemore rules. |
Canadians are cool. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
WOW! I mean... what do all of those things have in common? Allies to America.
Let's be honest, the "Intel" all of the other sources recieved came from American inspectors. Inspectors who were later proven wrong when the U.N. inspectors then went in and found nothing.
And I do blame the entire government. I choose neither left nor right, I choose America.
Try and catch up. |
So , your saying the US should listen to someone , other than thier allies? and using the UN as an example is like a swiss cheese bucket....They have proved thier worthiness to the world...what was that - food for oil? |
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