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| johnsonrod |
I'm not saying that the public is climbing back on board or anything, but it seems to me that the anti-war vibe is a lot less intense these days.
Please, I am under no delusion that the "vibe" I feel is in any way scientific or can even be proven by anything.
But when watching the usual screaming head shows, listening to NPR, or even watching the dems debate, it seems like the notion that we can just hop out of there any time soon. Also, there seem to be a lot less protests happening.
What do you guys think about the mood out there? |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
I'm not saying that the public is climbing back on board or anything, but it seems to me that the anti-war vibe is a lot less intense these days.
Please, I am under no delusion that the "vibe" I feel is in any way scientific or can even be proven by anything.
But when watching the usual screaming head shows, listening to NPR, or even watching the dems debate, it seems like the notion that we can just hop out of there any time soon. Also, there seem to be a lot less protests happening.
What do you guys think about the mood out there? |
Yes, because the new strategy and the surge has produced measureable success. This is not to say we are victorious, but we're on the road to turning things around.
Here's the interesting aspect to your question - does the quelling of the "anti-war vibe" translate to the fact that more people are being convinced of the necesity of winning, or do Americans, in general, want to win but didn't think that was possible this time last year? To the latter - I've always thought that it wasn't the war that the average American was against but the perception that it was a losing endeavor. As the new strategy produces more success as the months go on, you would see a parallel rise in support (or decline in the "anti-war vibe," as it were).
People don't want to lose the war and if a winning strategy is in place they will get behind it. This is my belief, and I think the recent bump in support for the war in the polls shows that. |
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| johnsonrod |
I'm not so convinced that the surge has produced enough irrefutable evidence of success in Iraq. Don't get me wrong, I think that the surge has made things a bit better but there is still no shortage of bad news coming out of Iraq.
I wanted to start the thread without giving my own opinion on why. But here it is:
I think that the dems have the white house actually within reach right now. It was much easier to talk of immediate exits when they didn't have to worry about it actually happening, and consequentially being responsible themselves for whatever hell rose out of the vacuum we leave. They could play on the public's frustration about not winning and indulge whatever fantasies the left wing base had about wrapping it all up quick.
Case in point, Hillary. She is probably the least likely of the dems to beat a hasty err, redeployment out of Iraq and she is way out in front.
What gives, libs? |
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| atomizer |
| Guess it just depends on what you read, watch and listen to. I don't agree at all with the premise of this thread, so sadly, I can't tell you 'what gives'. I hear, read and watch plenty of vocal opposition to the I-rack Attaq, and it hasn't abated. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
I'm not so convinced that the surge has produced enough irrefutable evidence of success in Iraq. Don't get me wrong, I think that the surge has made things a bit better but there is still no shortage of bad news coming out of Iraq.
I wanted to start the thread without giving my own opinion on why. But here it is:
I think that the dems have the white house actually within reach right now. It was much easier to talk of immediate exits when they didn't have to worry about it actually happening, and consequentially being responsible themselves for whatever hell rose out of the vacuum we leave. They could play on the public's frustration about not winning and indulge whatever fantasies the left wing base had about wrapping it all up quick.
Case in point, Hillary. She is probably the least likely of the dems to beat a hasty err, redeployment out of Iraq and she is way out in front.
What gives, libs? |
who is talking about an immediate exit?
specifically? |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
who is talking about an immediate exit?
specifically? |
Republicans characterizing anyone who disagrees with their policies? |
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| mingmen |
| And the evidence to back this up, gentlemen? |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
And the evidence to back this up, gentlemen? |
I just don't see a 'quelling of the anti-war vibe.' I'd like to see some proof that the 'anti-war vibe' has 'quelled', too. Nothing's 'quelled' as far as I can tell... |
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| mingmen |
The country is permanently broken.
Our foreign policy was a joke.
We are there for oil. We can never leave - and we made it that way on purpose. Guaranteed permanent bases.
Wise up, johnsonrod. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
I'm not saying that the public is climbing back on board or anything, but it seems to me that the anti-war vibe is a lot less intense these days.
Please, I am under no delusion that the "vibe" I feel is in any way scientific or can even be proven by anything.
But when watching the usual screaming head shows, listening to NPR, or even watching the dems debate, it seems like the notion that we can just hop out of there any time soon. Also, there seem to be a lot less protests happening.
What do you guys think about the mood out there? |
I think there are a number of reasons that dissent is rare in the United States. There has been no effective demonstrations against this "war" throughout. So don't bullshit us about what you find when you check the wind. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
who is talking about an immediate exit?
specifically? |
Well, an "immediate exit" would be impossible - it would take a year to withdraw in an orderly manner.
That being said, how quick you forget the bill that the President vetoed that called for a complete withdrawal by a fixed date regardless of conditions on the ground.
Want the roll call to answer your "who" question? |
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| Oz |
| will someone please comment on exactly how fucking stupid the title of this thread is? is this to imply that at some point we should just love the war? I mean seriously dude - you have your head way up your ass - there is no way you ever get dates. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Well, an "immediate exit" would be impossible - it would take a year to withdraw in an orderly manner.
That being said, how quick you forget the bill that the President vetoed that called for a complete withdrawal by a fixed date regardless of conditions on the ground.
Want the roll call to answer your "who" question? |
with the date and contents of the bill |
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| CApenbrink |
| I think its due to a lot of people maybe being on the fence and were convinced to give the "surge" a chance |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by CApenbrink
I think its due to a lot of people maybe being on the fence and were convinced to give the "surge" a chance |
being on the fence means you had your head up your ass |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
being on the fence means you had your head up your ass |
Yep. That does sums it up perfectly.
All this finger in the wind bullshit is just some kind of guess and wonderment of the GWB propaganda machine effectiveness. |
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