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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
I applaud displays of broad objective awareness because for some reason they are so rare...
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That is true. Most people don't search, so they never find it, it is. :) |
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| artechba |
| Islamist, Christianist. It's all the same. What's the difference between Eric Rudolph and some Syrian planting a bomb? Their holy books. They're all trying to force the religion down our throats. No I'm not an atheist. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
Islamist, Christianist. It's all the same. What's the difference between Eric Rudolph and some Syrian planting a bomb? Their holy books. They're all trying to force the religion down our throats. No I'm not an atheist. |
Most wars are started because of religion or real estate. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Most wars are started because of religion or real estate. |
I'd like to start a Rasta War....
...maybe tomorrow...
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Most wars are started because of religion or real estate. |
Does the religious war include this one? The biggest religion of all
Wikipedia source |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
Does the religious war include this one? The biggest religion of all
Wikipedia source |
Haha, that's the other 6 day war...
Why do other countries get 6 day wars and we don't!
Thats not fair it is! :) |
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| artechba |
I know. We take six days just to get all Porta Potties ready for the war.
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Hold your applause sir..
Just because a few may understand this in SFN News and Politics, doesn't mean this problem is going to go away. The religious nuts are still running everything. :mad: |
It really disappoints me to see you praising Stoney's legal briefs. I have never heard a bigger load of complete bullshit than Stoney's take on separation of powers and Constitutional law. Total and utter bullshit. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
I'd like to start a Rasta War....
...maybe tomorrow...
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for the healing of the nations |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Most wars are started because of religion or real estate. |
Isn't that money that is at the root? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
if more threads ended this way, id consider posting more |
always leave them wanting more :jj: |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
Isn't that money that is at the root? |
Of religious wars, I think not. I never underestimate what evil religious fanatics can and will do in the name of Gawd.
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
It really disappoints me to see you praising Stoney's legal briefs. I have never heard a bigger load of complete bullshit than Stoney's take on separation of powers and Constitutional law. Total and utter bullshit. |
Come on Mingy, I simply remarked about the man's intelligence, I didn't say I was his disciple. Even CT complimented Stonewall on his knowledge of the subject. He didn't agree with him of course but he did tip his hat to his argumentation.
It is possible to have fierce, intense debate with someone, never come to a agreement on any point, yet still have respect for your opponent. It also depends on the issue of course, if you were debating NAMBLA, that is a whole nother story... Some things you can't defend. :) |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Of religious wars, I think not. I never underestimate what evil religious fanatics can and will do in the name of Gawd. |
Which war was only about religion? I really want to know. If I am wrong on this one I want to not repeat bullshit.
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Come on Mingy, I simply remarked about the man's intelligence, I didn't say I was his disciple. Even CT complimented Stonewall on his knowledge of the subject. He didn't agree with him of course but he did tip his hat to his argumentation.
It is possible to have fierce, intense debate with someone, never come to a agreement on any point, yet still have respect for your opponent. It also depends on the issue of course, if you were debating NAMBLA, that is a whole nother story... Some things you can't defend. :) |
I did not mean anything more than what I said. And I have yet to see ANY original composition from him that was worth anything at all. He could post a perfectly reasonable article on any subject and that is fine. It is when he goes on to interpret that article that everything falls apart.
I am trying to remember his spin on separation of powers. I wish we could search easier because it was really a laugh- just like ALL of his extrapolations. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
Which war was only about religion? I really want to know. If I am wrong on this one I want to not repeat bullshit.
I did not mean anything more than what I said. And I have yet to see ANY original composition from him that was worth anything at all. He could post a perfectly reasonable article on any subject and that is fine. It is when he goes on to interpret that article that everything falls apart.
I am trying to remember his spin on separation of powers. I wish we could search easier because it was really a laugh- just like ALL of his extrapolations. |
Counting wars and conflicts; small regional, undeclared wars if you will, there were quite a few.
A list of conflicts can be found here.
Plug "Religious Wars" into Google and you can spend hours reading. I'm not saying religion is the root cause of all wars and you're right when you say money is almost always involved. I equate money with real estate in my original comment. Money = commercial interests. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
oh, i struck a nerve, sorry. in any case, its not that i think muslims cant be dangerous but, to think they are all dangerous and that theyre all out to get us is an extreme notion, thats all. i wonder why none of the muslims in this country have tried to kill us yet? i have a few muslim families that live down the street from me. ive never had a run in with them or anything and theyve always been extremely nice to my family and i. i guess i should be really careful to make sure they dont try to slit my throat at night so they can rape my wife and kidnap my kids right? |
It's funny that I have never said all Muslims are dangerous or out to kill us. The responses to my posts always include this suggestion that I do. It is easier to make things up that I say instead of dealing with what I do actually say. People respond to my posts and include what they wish I would have said and then they reply with their own version of my post.
Those Muslims who are on the road to violence are easy for their families to notice because it starts with behavior at home. It starts with the terror of their own family members, then it hits the street, then it hits the terror stage. Muslims are the main victims of Islamic Terror. Once a family member begins to learn his religion. That is always step number one in creating a terrorist. First teach them Islam.
A peaceful Muslim living down the street is meaningless. Ask the flight schools or instructors who trained the 9/11 hijacker pilots. Those were nice Muslims too.
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
It really disappoints me to see you praising Stoney's legal briefs. I have never heard a bigger load of complete bullshit than Stoney's take on separation of powers and Constitutional law. Total and utter bullshit. |
Show me an example of a debate we have had where you have offered anything. You are good at doing what you are doing in this thread... nothing but garbage. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
It's funny that I have never said all Muslims are dangerous or out to kill us. The responses to my posts always include this suggestion that I do. It is easier to make things up that I say instead of dealing with what I do actually say. People respond to my posts and include what they wish I would have said and then they reply with their own version of my post.
Those Muslims who are on the road to violence are easy for their families to notice because it starts with behavior at home. It starts with the terror of their own family members, then it hits the street, then it hits the terror stage. Muslims are the main victims of Islamic Terror. Once a family member begins to learn his religion. That is always step number one in creating a terrorist. First teach them Islam.
A peaceful Muslim living down the street is meaningless. Ask the flight schools or instructors who trained the 9/11 hijacker pilots. Those were nice Muslims too.
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So you didn't say there was "no variance" in Islam?
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
So you didn't say there was "no variance" in Islam? |
There is very little variance between the teachings of the 5 major schools of Islam. And no variance in regard to killing the Apostate. All 5 schools will kill the apostate and the variance would be the steps taken towards that end.
And, that is not me saying it but Muslims saying it. Unlike some here I don't have an "interpretation". I don't believe any different than what Muslims themselves believe. I don't find comfort in my own version of Islam that is "moderate". I don't pick out a version and then hang my hat upon it. I let the Muslims tell me what they believe.
Quite the opposite than many here who simplify their understanding to remain in a comfort zone.
Having a discussion with you over this will only lead to your fleeing and then asking the same questions over and over again somewhere else. Oh, and you post pictures over and over again. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
There is very little variance between the teachings of the 5 major schools of Islam. And no variance in regard to killing the Apostate. All 5 schools will kill the apostate and the variance would be the steps taken towards that end.
And, that is not me saying it but Muslims saying it. Unlike some here I don't have an "interpretation". I don't believe any different than what Muslims themselves believe. I don't find comfort in my own version of Islam that is "moderate". I don't pick out a version and then hang my hat upon it. I let the Muslims tell me what they believe.
Quite the opposite than many here who simplify their understanding to remain in a comfort zone.
Having a discussion with you over this will only lead to your fleeing and then asking the same questions over and over again somewhere else. Oh, and you post pictures over and over again. |
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:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap:
Bravo! Bravo! A command performance! Classic Stumpy!
You haven't lost a step! Encore! (not) |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
There is very little variance between the teachings of the 5 major schools of Islam. And no variance in regard to killing the Apostate. All 5 schools will kill the apostate and the variance would be the steps taken towards that end.
And, that is not me saying it but Muslims saying it. Unlike some here I don't have an "interpretation". I don't believe any different than what Muslims themselves believe. I don't find comfort in my own version of Islam that is "moderate". I don't pick out a version and then hang my hat upon it. I let the Muslims tell me what they believe.
Quite the opposite than many here who simplify their understanding to remain in a comfort zone.
Having a discussion with you over this will only lead to your fleeing and then asking the same questions over and over again somewhere else. Oh, and you post pictures over and over again. |
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I don't care if you have an "interpretation" or not. Your opinion is worthless to me. Does Turkey use the same Koran as Saudi Arabia?
What do your muslims tell you about that? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
:bigcry: :bigcry:
I don't care if you have an "interpretation" or not. Your opinion is worthless to me. Does Turkey use the same Koran as Saudi Arabia?
What do your muslims tell you about that? |
Was the Turkish Military wrong to overthrow the Government three times AB?
The question to ask is does Saudi Arabia have the same commitment to secularism, that the Turkish military has. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Was the Turkish Military wrong to overthrow the Government three times AB?
The question to ask is does Saudi Arabia have the same commitment to secularism, that the Turkish military has. |
The problem with some of the "thinkers" here is that they see not following Islam as another interpretation. Another school of Islam. A moderate form of Islam.
Allowing the drinking of alcohol, like Turkey does, does not make another interpretation of no Alcohol allowed. Alcohol forbidden. That is simply not following Islam. However, to morons that means another "interpretation"... moderate.
To give an example we have freedom of speech. I guess another version of that freedom of speech would be not allowing freedom of speech. Like another version of separation of church and state is state control of religion. We must turn reality on it's head when dealing with Muslims and the Lefts understanding of Islam and separation of church and state. Turkey must be secular because they say so. Never mind that honor killings in Turkey are as high as any other Muslim country. Islamic Law of the street. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The problem with some of the "thinkers" here is that they see not following Islam as another interpretation. Another school of Islam. A moderate form of Islam.
Allowing the drinking of alcohol, like Turkey does, does not make another interpretation of no Alcohol allowed. Alcohol forbidden. That is simply not following Islam. However, to morons that means another "interpretation"... moderate.
To give an example we have freedom of speech. I guess another version of that freedom of speech would be not allowing freedom of speech. Like another version of separation of church and state is state control of religion. We must turn reality on it's head when dealing with Muslims and the Lefts understanding of Islam and separation of church and state. Turkey must be secular because they say so. Never mind that honor killings in Turkey are as high as any other Muslim country. Islamic Law of the street. |
The problem with your argument and why you will NEVER get many people to agree with you is you are both right and wrong at the same time.
Do you understand that? |
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| Ass Boil |
So using your tap dancing logic, Stumpy, CHOOSING to not follow certain aspects of a religion is not a "variance".
Now this is getting really funny.
Does that mean they are not muslim?
How does that apply to other religions? George Bush claims to be a good "Christian", but does not act like a Christian. I never see anyone challenging that.
Turkey is 94% muslim and 75% Sunni. That is alot of bad muslims, isn't it? Why would they collectively act this way? Maybe they haven't read the koran, huh? Isn't that what you always accuse people of? not reading the koran? I mean the nerve of them to contradict you like this. An entire country of bad muslims.
Maybe you should speak to them. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
So using your tap dancing logic, Stumpy, CHOOSING to not follow certain aspects of a religion is not a "variance".
Now this is getting really funny.
Does that mean they are not muslim?
How does that apply to other religions? George Bush claims to be a good "Christian", but does not act like a Christian. I never see anyone challenging that.
Turkey is 94% muslim and 75% Sunni. That is alot of bad muslims, isn't it? Why would they collectively act this way? Maybe they haven't read the koran, huh? Isn't that what you always accuse people of? not reading the koran? I mean the nerve of them to contradict you like this. An entire country of bad muslims.
Maybe you should speak to them. |
That is right, choosing to not follow their religion does not create another interpretation of the religion. It simply means they choose not to follow it.
The Islam in Turkey is an official state religion. It cannot be that the 94% of Muslims living there agree with the government religion. If that were so then there would be no Islamic Justice handed out in the streets and in the family. That is the problem with Islamic States that do not apply Sharia. It gets handled on the street. These problems do not exist in Iran or Saudi Arabia whose governments apply Sharia and dole out punishments on the State level.
It is not for me to say who is a good Muslim or Bad. |
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| Ass Boil |
God you are confused.
Despite all of your bloviating, they are MUSLIMS. Whatever their reasons for practicing their faith the way they choose, they still consider themselves muslim. Now you want to split hairs and say that is because they are not being muslim.
So according to you there is NO WAY the koran can be read and more than one meaning be taken from it's words?
Wow. That is some specific religion. It spells EVERYTHING out for you.
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You are hilarious. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
God you are confused.
Despite all of your bloviating, they are MUSLIMS. Whatever their reasons for practicing their faith the way they choose, they still consider themselves muslim. Now you want to split hairs and say that is because they are not being muslim.
So according to you there is NO WAY the koran can be read and more than one meaning be taken from it's words?
Wow. That is some specific religion. It spells EVERYTHING out for you.
LOL
You are hilarious. |
Again you are twisting what I say and then you respond to what you wish I had said.
It is not up to me to judge Muslims who do not follow their religion. I can only say that not doing what the religion requires does not make a new interpretation. Rejecting teachings is not re-interpreting. It's not obeying the command.
With the alcohol prohibition, it means exactly that... no alcohol. One does not create a new interpretation by ignoring the prohibition.
If I go go 85 MPH in a 55 zone, I have not created a new interpretation of "55". I simply have ignored the "55".
Drinking alcohol is not a new interpretation of "no alcohol". It is simply ignoring the prohibition.
Of course anyone reading a text can view it differently. Being that there are 5 major schools of Islam shows that different interpretations exist. However small the difference may be. None will allow alcohol.
When a non-Muslim is out to learn Islam it is best to follow what the majority of Muslims follow, one of the 5 major schools. There is the difference to be found. The difference is not found in simply ignoring what the religion calls for. The 5 schools do not do this. They deal with reality of Islamic teachings. |
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| I read this whole FUCKING THREAD and never found out if that was Stonewall's blog or not..... Well!? Is it!?!? :mad: |
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| Ass Boil |
I don't NEED to "twist" your words, Stumpedballs. You make confused, conflicting statements in every post.
You say the terrorists are only being "good" muslims, but admit the majority of muslims are not terrorists. So what other conclusion can we draw from your confused "non" judgements than the majority of muslims are not following their own religion?
Can't wait for your next confused post
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I don't NEED to "twist" your words, Stumpedballs. You make confused, conflicting statements in every post.
You say the terrorists are only being "good" muslims, but admit the majority of muslims are not terrorists. So what other conclusion can we draw from your confused "non" judgements than the majority of muslims are not following their own religion?
Can't wait for your next confused post
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What I try to combat is the notion that Islam is the religion of peace and or that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda pervert their religion. There is nothing wrong with Osama's Islam.
Your position is foul because you begin with a false situation. Your post suggests that being a terrorist or not being one has any meaning at all in regard to Islam. One can be a terrorist and a "good" Muslim another not be a terrorist and also be a "good" Muslim. It has nothing to do with your Islam but your allegiance.
Your lack of knowledge of the subject is reflected in your questions. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
What I try to combat is the notion that Islam is the religion of peace and or that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda pervert their religion. There is nothing wrong with Osama's Islam.
Your position is foul because you begin with a false situation. Your post suggests that being a terrorist or not being one has any meaning at all in regard to Islam. One can be a terrorist and a "good" Muslim another not be a terrorist and also be a "good" Muslim. It has nothing to do with your Islam but your allegiance.
Your lack of knowledge of the subject is reflected in your questions. |
It doesn't matter if Osama's religion is perfect because the vast majority of Muslims don't follow it, so therefore it is invalid by default.
I've said this to you before but if every Muslim bought into this bullshit and it is all bullshit, the 160,000 thousand troops we have in Iraq would be slaughtered in a few hours.
It never happened so your theory is flawed...
And even if your theory is correct, it's irrelevant. Understand? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
It doesn't matter if Osama's religion is perfect because the vast majority of Muslims don't follow it, so therefore it is invalid by default.
I've said this to you before but if every Muslim bought into this bullshit and it is all bullshit, the 160,000 thousand troops we have in Iraq would be slaughtered in a few hours.
It never happened so your theory is flawed...
And even if your theory is correct, it's irrelevant. Understand? |
Right after 9/11 people began to separate Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda from Islam. They began saying that he has perverted his religion. That really throws the whole debate off. Here is why... In your post you say this:
"It doesn't matter if Osama's religion is perfect because the vast majority of Muslims don't follow it, so therefore it is invalid by default."
That skews the whole thing. It is not Osama's religion or his Islam that is the question, it is the allegiance to him. Most Muslims reject Osama, at least so far as joining him. That has nothing to do with his Islam, but more to do with his war. It is much like the Sunni tribes who have in the past fought us in Iraq, they did not tweak their religion and then start following something else, they simply changed their allegiance, they now fight Al Qaeda... or at least some of them. It has nothing to do with their Islam. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Right after 9/11 people began to separate Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda from Islam. They began saying that he has perverted his religion. That really throws the whole debate off. Here is why... In your post you say this:
"It doesn't matter if Osama's religion is perfect because the vast majority of Muslims don't follow it, so therefore it is invalid by default."
That skews the whole thing. It is not Osama's religion or his Islam that is the question, it is the allegiance to him. Most Muslims reject Osama, at least so far as joining him. That has nothing to do with his Islam, but more to do with his war. It is much like the Sunni tribes who have in the past fought us in Iraq, they did not tweak their religion and then start following something else, they simply changed their allegiance, they now fight Al Qaeda... or at least some of them. It has nothing to do with their Islam. |
Like I said, it's irrelevant. Islam is not universal to Muslims and vice-versa.
It doesn't matter if Osama was corrupted by his religion or his religion corrupted him because it's not the universal connection who are implying it to be. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
What I try to combat is the notion that Islam is the religion of peace and or that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda pervert their religion. There is nothing wrong with Osama's Islam.
Your position is foul because you begin with a false situation. Your post suggests that being a terrorist or not being one has any meaning at all in regard to Islam. One can be a terrorist and a "good" Muslim another not be a terrorist and also be a "good" Muslim. It has nothing to do with your Islam but your allegiance.
Your lack of knowledge of the subject is reflected in your questions. |
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Who here said Islam was a "religion of peace"? How is my "situation" false? I simply repeated YOUR statements.
Did MY "lack of knowledge" force YOU to say all of the following idiotic things:
There is "no variance" in Islam, except the "variance" between "good" muslims like OBL and muslims who don't support terrorism... Oh, and the variance between MUSLIM Turkey and MUSLIM Saudi Arabia :jj: :jj: :jj:
Maybe the problem is you forgot the definition of "variance"?
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var·i·ance (vâr'ē-əns, vār'-) Pronunciation Key
n.
The act of varying.
The state or quality of being variant or variable; a variation.
A difference between what is expected and what actually occurs.
A discrepancy between two statements or documents in a proceeding.
License to engage in an act contrary to a usual rule: a zoning variance.
The state or fact of differing or of being in conflict. See Synonyms at discord.
Law
A discrepancy between two statements or documents in a proceeding.
License to engage in an act contrary to a usual rule: a zoning variance.
Statistics The square of the standard deviation.
Chemistry The number of thermodynamic variables, such as temperature and pressure, required to specify a state of equilibrium of a system, given by the phase rule. |
Does that help?
I would post a picture right now, but I don't feel like listening to your whimpering.... |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
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That is a verbose troll.... :p |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Like I said, it's irrelevant. Islam is not universal to Muslims and vice-versa.
It doesn't matter if Osama was corrupted by his religion or his religion corrupted him because it's not the universal connection who are implying it to be. |
I'm not sure what you mean by "Islam is not universal to Muslims and vice-versa."
Osama was not corrupted by his religion nor has he corrupted his religion. However everything he does is done because of Islam. Just like Hezballah and Hamas and Islamic Jihad, just to name a few.
When bin Laden returned from fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan he returned a hero to Saudi Arabia. Things went wrong when U.S. Troops were allowed in the Kingdom. That is when Osama bin Laden turned from his allegiance to Saudi Arabia and called for the rulers to be taken down. Nothing changed with his Islam or the Islam of the rulers of Saudi Arabia, what changed was Osama's allegiance. In Afghanistan with the Taliban Osama declared war on the U.S., among others. That is no different than Iran declaring war on the U.S.. We did not understand that and downplayed it. At no time did Osama's religion change. Only his allegiance. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
It's both.
Osama was corrupted by Islam and he also corrupted Islam.
This is why the point your trying to make is invalid.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it fall?
Sure it did but no one gives a shit. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
That is a verbose troll.... :p |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
It's both.
Osama was corrupted by Islam and he also corrupted Islam.
This is why the point your trying to make is invalid.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it fall?
Sure it did but no one gives a shit. |
I reject that a corruption of Islam has occurred unless we are discussing Turkey. Certainly no corruption by Osama who is the modern day version of Muhammad.
Somehow we have flipped reality on it's head in our definitions. Now actually following what a religion teaches is a corruption and perversion, while rejecting teachings and creating our own versions... that is moderate and we like that. Forget that in keeping alive these religions although in a corrupt state always allows for those who will not corrupt and then become our worst enemies. Iran and Al Qaeda, etc.. Or, Pat Robertson. I'd rather have the religions destroyed then keep them around in a corrupted state, thus breeding a new generation who may not corrupt and may not "moderate".
The moderates, in my opinion, are worse because they provide cover for the so-called extreme. It's like keeping alive a fantasy of Santa Claus, although rejecting that he actually delivers toys via the Chimney.
There is always the possibility, seen everyday, where an occasional Muslim will set out to actually learn his religion. The first step into terror. Always the first step.
That is the point and it does not fall on deaf ears, it falls on the ears of idiots... |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I reject that a corruption of Islam has occurred unless we are discussing Turkey. Certainly no corruption by Osama who is the modern day version of Muhammad.
Somehow we have flipped reality on it's head in our definitions. Now actually following what a religion teaches is a corruption and perversion, while rejecting teachings and creating our own versions... that is moderate and we like that. Forget that in keeping alive these religions although in a corrupt state always allows for those who will not corrupt and then become our worst enemies. Iran and Al Qaeda, etc.. Or, Pat Robertson. I'd rather have the religions destroyed then keep them around in a corrupted state, thus breeding a new generation who may not corrupt and may not "moderate".
The moderates, in my opinion, are worse because they provide cover for the so-called extreme. It's like keeping alive a fantasy of Santa Claus, although rejecting that he actually delivers toys via the Chimney.
There is always the possibility, seen everyday, where an occasional Muslim will set out to actually learn his religion. The first step into terror. Always the first step.
That is the point and it does not fall on deaf ears, it falls on the ears of idiots... |
Reality makes your point irrelevant. I don't know what else to tell you. Islam is not going anywhere and Muslims are not interpreting the Koran the way you suggest they should.
That's called social evolution.
When I was a kid, we never had meat on Friday, now I could give a fuck what I eat on Friday. A grilled steak would be just great.
Be thankful for bad Muslims, for they are the vast majority. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Reality makes your point irrelevant. I don't know what else to tell you. Islam is not going anywhere and Muslims are not interpreting the Koran the way you suggest they should.
That's called social evolution.
When I was a kid, we never had meat on Friday, now I could give a fuck what I eat on Friday. A grilled steak would be just great.
Be thankful for bad Muslims, for they are the vast majority. |
I'm not sure by what you mean in regard to bad Muslims. The vast majority of Muslims follow their religion very closely. In Arabia, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Kuwait, etc. etc.. Where you are getting the vast majority are bad Muslims, I do not know. Where Muslims run up against another religion there is conflict there, all around the Muslim world and increasingly in Europe where large minorities are teaching their new countries new lessons. Islam is doing just fine...
Islam is not just terrorism. It is a system and that system is alive and well and growing. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I'm not sure by what you mean in regard to bad Muslims. The vast majority of Muslims follow their religion very closely. In Arabia, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Kuwait, etc. etc.. Where you are getting the vast majority are bad Muslims, I do not know. Where Muslims run up against another religion there is conflict there, all around the Muslim world and increasingly in Europe where large minorities are teaching their new countries new lessons. Islam is doing just fine...
Islam is not just terrorism. It is a system and that system is alive and well and growing. |
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"Where Muslims run up against another religion there is conflict"
I agree with you there. They ran up against a guy to talks to Jesus in Iraq. |
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| Ass Boil |
| Stumpy McFucknutz is the Rumsfeld of religion. Talks alot and says nothing at all. |
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