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| NC-Stern-Mark |
| Are you serious? What makes you think that's him? |
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| Ass Boil |
LOL
Could be!!
Smells like paranoia and piss....... |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
LOL
Could be!!
Smells like paranoia and piss....... |
Ummm, I don't want to get into this again but I think it's beyond debate Islamists are attempting to impose their religion on western society.
Were not going to have a shooting war with them in this country, we have to many good ol boys and too many guns but they will try to blow us up again. Probably very soon too. According to those that monitor such things, there has been a lot of "chatter" lately.
The fluff piece on CNN, "God's Warriors" didn't even scratch the surface. I'm not worried about them overthrowing the US or any such nonsense, I'm concerned about how they are going to top 9-11 |
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| Tech Difficulty |
| does stonewall even post here anymore? i havent seen him in ages |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
does stonewall even post here anymore? i havent seen him in ages |
He just popped up again. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
He just popped up again. |
thats cool. i miss his abnormally paranoid posts. i dont think ive ever met a person so afraid of muslims in all my life. its like he was beaten as a kid by muslim kids or something at school |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
thats cool. i miss his abnormally paranoid posts. i dont think ive ever met a person so afraid of muslims in all my life. its like he was beaten as a kid by muslim kids or something at school |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
:rolleyes: |
sorry, did i offend you by making fun of him? |
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| Ass Boil |
LOL
NC Mark, I don't think the Islamic extremists give a fuck how many guns the Bubbas own. But if it makes you feel better to think your guns are deterring terrorists, don't let me shit on your parade.
And when we have a President who claims "god" told him to invade the middle east, we really don't get to cry victim in the religious debate. Especially when he is making deals with Sunni extremists who kill our troops and rubbing up against the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11.
It's not the 17th century anymore. We attack them with modern weapons commanded by a male cheerleader who thinks god is speaking to him, and they attack us by hijacking planes. but so far we are the only ones occupying the middle east militarily. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
No but I am annoyed by the oversimplifications and generalizations regarding his posts on Islamic expansionism and the propensity for extreme violence that Islamists have.
Whatever you want to say about Stonewall, he is an educated and intelligent poster.
Many of his posting were informational in nature and not editorialized. Basically happenings of jihadist violence all over the world. These fact can not be disputed. I disagreed with him on some things when he editorialized but he does not make up these horrific stories of Islamist violence. They are a fact of life and you ignore it at your own peril. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
No but I am annoyed by the oversimplifications and generalizations regarding his posts on Islamic expansionism and the propensity for extreme violence that Islamists have.
Whatever you want to say about Stonewall, he is an educated and intelligent poster.
Many of his posting were informational in nature and not editorialized. Basically happenings of jihadist violence all over the world. These fact can not be disputed. I disagreed with him on some things when he editorialized but he does not make up these horrific stories of Islamist violence. They are a fact of life and you ignore it at your own peril. |
Anytime Stoney steps out beyond cut and paste of reputable news sources, he is worthless. Period. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
LOL
NC Mark, I don't think the Islamic extremists give a fuck how many guns the Bubbas own. But if it makes you feel better to think your guns are deterring terrorists, don't let me shit on your parade. |
Now Ass Boil, did I say that? No and that is not what I was implying. The idea was it s improbably and highly unlikely that we would any suck problem in this nation, such as the countries of France, Britain and the Netherlands are having. Just to name a few.
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
And when we have a President who claims "god" told him to invade the middle east, we really don't get to cry victim in the religious debate. Especially when he is making deals with Sunni extremists who kill our troops and rubbing up against the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11. |
This religious war goes back a long way. George Bush is the just the latest player but he didn't set off the Islamists of their jihad AB, they been on that road a long time now. Bush was in office for 8 months before the WTC got hit.
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
It's not the 17th century anymore. We attack them with modern weapons commanded by a male cheerleader who thinks god is speaking to him, and they attack us by hijacking planes. but so far we are the only ones occupying the middle east militarily. |
Well I'm glad you realize it's a war. And like I said, I'm not worried about them invaded the US mainland but they will find a way to strike back. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
Anytime Stoney steps out beyond cut and paste of reputable news sources, he is worthless. Period. |
I would just about agree with you on that. It is a very nuanced issue. It's not as black and white as Stonewall portends. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
No but I am annoyed by the oversimplifications and generalizations regarding his posts on Islamic expansionism and the propensity for extreme violence that Islamists have.
Whatever you want to say about Stonewall, he is an educated and intelligent poster.
Many of his posting were informational in nature and not editorialized. Basically happenings of jihadist violence all over the world. These fact can not be disputed. I disagreed with him on some things when he editorialized but he does not make up these horrific stories of Islamist violence. They are a fact of life and you ignore it at your own peril. |
oh, i struck a nerve, sorry. in any case, its not that i think muslims cant be dangerous but, to think they are all dangerous and that theyre all out to get us is an extreme notion, thats all. i wonder why none of the muslims in this country have tried to kill us yet? i have a few muslim families that live down the street from me. ive never had a run in with them or anything and theyve always been extremely nice to my family and i. i guess i should be really careful to make sure they dont try to slit my throat at night so they can rape my wife and kidnap my kids right? |
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| Ass Boil |
Stumpy is a paranoid bed-wetter.
If you truly believe there are 1.7 billion muslims trying to invade, kill or convert us all and your only course of action is to post the muslim police blotter everyday on SFN, the he is as full of fucking shit as NCMoron.
He regularly misrepresents the basics of jihad and fatawa and and exaggerates the extent of true "extremism" in the muslim world.
But you just go ahead and hitch your wagon to his rising star....... LOL |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Stumpy is a paranoid bed-wetter.
If you truly believe there are 1.7 billion muslims trying to invade, kill or convert us all and your only course of action is to post the muslim police blotter everyday on SFN, the he is as full of fucking shit as NCMoron.
He regularly misrepresents the basics of jihad and fatawa and and exaggerates the extent of true "extremism" in the muslim world.
But you just go ahead and hitch your wagon to his rising star....... LOL |
Sigh... Ass Boil, we can both save a lot of time if you will please not assign me a position and then argue with it. I do get to state my position, don't I? :)
I read for myself the mounting incidents of Islamist violence and it is a serious cause for concern.
I can state my position simply in one sentence.
This is an age-old conflict and because of technological advances in weaponry, both sides are able to kill each other with great effect.
Hence my concern with the issue. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I would just about agree with you on that. It is a very nuanced issue. It's not as black and white as Stonewall portends. |
I stress that ANYTHING he adds to a post - as in original composition - is without merit. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
I stress that ANYTHING he adds to a post - as in original composition - is without merit. |
Well I respect your opinion and certainly won't argue with you about that. We all need to deal with it, the way we see fit.
I wish it would go away and the world could live in peace. That would be nice. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
oh, i struck a nerve, sorry. in any case, its not that i think muslims cant be dangerous but, to think they are all dangerous and that theyre all out to get us is an extreme notion, thats all. i wonder why none of the muslims in this country have tried to kill us yet? i have a few muslim families that live down the street from me. ive never had a run in with them or anything and theyve always been extremely nice to my family and i. i guess i should be really careful to make sure they dont try to slit my throat at night so they can rape my wife and kidnap my kids right? |
I don' t want to argue islam with NC-Stern. We are having quite a honeymoon over Bush and Iraq, so let's not throw it away.
I think tech here has a more reasonable viewpoint. I agree with NC-Stern that there are incredible challenges facing us in the middle east. Islam? Maybe it is at the core of the issue - I don't know. I always follow the fucking cash though. Money causes violence - not storybooks, in my opinion.
Please don't align yourself too closely with junk posters like Stoney, NC-Stern. He besmirches your reputation. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Well I respect your opinion and certainly won't argue with you about that. We all need to deal with it, the way we see fit.
I wish it would go away and the world could live in peace. That would be nice. |
Good enough :p |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
I don' t want to argue islam with NC-Stern. We are having quite a honeymoon over Bush and Iraq, so let's not throw it away.
I think tech here has a more reasonable viewpoint. I agree with NC-Stern that there are incredible challenges facing us in the middle east. Islam? Maybe it is at the core of the issue - I don't know. I always follow the fucking cash though. Money causes violence - not storybooks, in my opinion.
Please don't align yourself too closely with junk posters like Stoney, NC-Stern. He besmirches your reputation. |
religion + cash = war
dont just follow cash |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
religion + cash = war
dont just follow cash |
but isn't it all access to resources?
the camps are just delineated by affiliation |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
but isn't it all access to resources?
the camps are just delineated by affiliation |
your argument is that cash is a common denominator, what then incites the wars? the middle east has money, the west has money, the east europeans all have money, what is the motivation then for going to war? there has to be a catalyst |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
your argument is that cash is a common denominator, what then incites the wars? the middle east has money, the west has money, the east europeans all have money, what is the motivation then for going to war? there has to be a catalyst |
threat to resources? |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
threat to resources? |
a threat to their cash? how do you propose they do that? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
a threat to their cash? how do you propose they do that? |
who to who? |
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| Ass Boil |
NC Mark, I am sorry if I "assigned" a position to you. But I summarized Stumpy's position and you claim he is "educated" and "informative". What other conclusion should we make?
but the opinion you just stated was your own is a far cry from Stumpy the bed-wetter's chicken little routine...... |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
who to who? |
laugh, i dont know, i thought i was trying to show how religion (especially in the middle east) is the catalyst behind virtually centuries and centuries of war. you follow just cash, im trying to prove that religion is used to get people fired up about going to war for cash. so therefore cash may be the sole motivation for war, but religion is the tool used to justify it.
i think we are both arguing the same side of the same coin only im just trying to add a qualifier to your argument. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
laugh, i dont know, i thought i was trying to show how religion (especially in the middle east) is the catalyst behind virtually centuries and centuries of war. you follow just cash, im trying to prove that religion is used to get people fired up about going to war for cash. so therefore cash may be the sole motivation for war, but religion is the tool used to justify it.
i think we are both arguing the same side of the same coin only im just trying to add a qualifier to your argument. |
No foul, I just wanted someone to debunk my offhanded comment in case I really am full of shit.
I don't see how religion is any different than nationalism etc. Different names - same shit. Everything is ignored until the pocket book is attacked.
I actually think you are proving my point, but no matter. :D |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
No foul, I just wanted someone to debunk my offhanded comment in case I really am full of shit.
I don't see how religion is any different than nationalism etc. Different names - same shit. Everything is ignored until the pocket book is attacked.
I actually think you are proving my point, but no matter. :D |
i did prove your point, and i proved mine |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
i did prove your point, and i proved mine |
oh yeah, well fuck that you idiot! :jj: |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
oh yeah, well fuck that you idiot! :jj: |
<----taking a bow
my pleasure |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
NC Mark, I am sorry if I "assigned" a position to you. But I summarized Stumpy's position and you claim he is "educated" and "informative". What other conclusion should we make?
but the opinion you just stated was your own is a far cry from Stumpy the bed-wetter's chicken little routine...... |
There is no problem and we have no quarrel. I find the articles Stonewall posts interesting and in my so-called "sphere of concern" with what's going on in the world I recognize our part in it and all that. As I posted before, this is out of the hands of reason, logic and cool-heads. people with those attributes are not driving the bus, we're along for the ride, so to speak.
The middle-east is chock full of people who for various reasons, are easily led along by those who preach hate, just as our own country is. I view Islamists as cult-like. A very dangerous thing. Islamist extremists seem to be a collective,, moving in one direction, where it will stop, I don't know.
I do admit that I did feel as if there was some "kill the messenger" going on in regards to Stonewall and while I don't agree with most of his views, I did find that he presented his arguments in an intelligent way. The man may be wrong but he is a far cry from the likes of Dude Here. That's all I'm saying. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
There is no problem and we have no quarrel. I find the articles Stonewall posts interesting and in my so-called "sphere of concern" with what's going on in the world I recognize our part in it and all that. As I posted before, this is out of the hands of reason, logic and cool-heads. people with those attributes are not driving the bus, we're along for the ride, so to speak.
The middle-east is chock full of people who for various reasons, are easily led along by those who preach hate, just as our own country is. I view Islamists as cult-like. A very dangerous thing. Islamist extremists seem to be a collective,, moving in one direction, where it will stop, I don't know.
I do admit that I did feel as if there was some "kill the messenger" going on in regards to Stonewall and while I don't agree with most of his views, I did find that he presented his arguments in an intelligent way. The man may be wrong but he is a far cry from the likes of Dude Here. That's all I'm saying. |
i dont recall anyone saying stonewall is on the same level as dude-here |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
No foul, I just wanted someone to debunk my offhanded comment in case I really am full of shit.
I don't see how religion is any different than nationalism etc. Different names - same shit. Everything is ignored until the pocket book is attacked.
I actually think you are proving my point, but no matter. :D |
Did you see the CNN thing on God's Warriors? They talked to a guy in Britain who described himself as a former extremist, he explained how he fell into it and how he fell away. He said even though he was born British, he never felt British till he realized that extremism was wrong and he "reformed." Now he feels as if he is a British citizen.
What does this mean. Probably not a damn thing. It just supports my particular notion that Islamist radicalism is a cult-like phenomenon.
If all Islamists, regardless of place of birth, only recognize each other and their faith, that is a form of nationalism. Maybe you can call it a hybrid, nationalistic/religious bent that is hostile to anything that does not agree with it. Much of radical Islam seems monolithic.
Societal evolution over the next 50 years or so, (I think I'm being optimistic) will either curb Islamic radicals or they will be the death of most of us. Read Nuclear. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
i dont recall anyone saying stonewall is on the same level as dude-here |
Just using him as a comparison because he is way over on the end of the slide-rule of intelligence. Anytime you need to demonstrate stupidity, he comes in handy.
See, everyone has a purpose. :) |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Just using him as a comparison because he is way over on the end of the slide-rule of intelligence. Anytime you need to demonstrate stupidity, he comes in handy.
See, everyone has a purpose. :) |
:jj: perhaps, i dont find dude-here all that stupid, i just think people try to take him way more seriously than he is. i think his purpose is to make irrational comments and uneducated claims so that he can send all the 'liberals' into a foaming frenzy. i think hes pretty good at it too |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Did you see the CNN thing on God's Warriors? They talked to a guy in Britain who described himself as a former extremist, he explained how he fell into it and how he fell away. He said even though he was born British, he never felt British till he realized that extremism was wrong and he "reformed." Now he feels as if he is a British citizen.
What does this mean. Probably not a damn thing. It just supports my particular notion that Islamist radicalism is a cult-like phenomenon.
If all Islamists, regardless of place of birth, only recognize each other and their faith, that is a form of nationalism. Maybe you can call it a hybrid, nationalistic/religious bent that is hostile to anything that does not agree with it. Much of radical Islam seems monolithic.
Societal evolution over the next 50 years or so, (I think I'm being optimistic) will either curb Islamic radicals or they will be the death of most of us. Read Nuclear. |
On the way out. But let's not pretend that the exception is the rule. My problem with Stoney's obsession is, that it gives a marginalized element much more credit than it deserves. I do not think that Islamic radicals represent Islam as a whole. Now there is a fuck load of grey area there, but whatever.
Go.
I will check back later. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
:jj: perhaps, i dont find dude-here all that stupid, i just think people try to take him way more seriously than he is. i think his purpose is to make irrational comments and uneducated claims so that he can send all the 'liberals' into a foaming frenzy. i think hes pretty good at it too |
There is no doubt that is his shtick but listen, there have been some very serious debates in this forum and he has had every opportunity to participate in them and offer up some kind of opposing argumentation that truly reflects his views and expresses some semblance of logic the average human being can follow but he has chosen to remain a dedicated idiot.
He must be a natural... |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
:jj: perhaps, i dont find dude-here all that stupid, i just think people try to take him way more seriously than he is. i think his purpose is to make irrational comments and uneducated claims so that he can send all the 'liberals' into a foaming frenzy. i think hes pretty good at it too |
until he posts gifs :rolleyes: |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
On the way out. But let's not pretend that the exception is the rule. My problem with Stoney's obsession is, that it gives a marginalized element much more credit than it deserves. I do not think that Islamic radicals represent Islam as a whole. Now there is a fuck load of grey area there, but whatever.
Go.
I will check back later. |
I'm not trying to defend Stonewall or rehabilitate him. A lot of my comments results from wanting to discuss the topic but it is quickly mired in name-calling and accusations.
I believe one of the reasons for this is because after the midterm elections, I took a lengthy break from the forum and I'm sure Stonewall wore out his welcome during that time. When I started posting again, he had already been relegated to kook status by most of the board, so I am on a different tolerance curve with him than most and there is no blame for that, it just is what it is.
BTW, I've heard that knock against Stonewall before and he does not believe Islamic radicals represent all Muslims. I asked him that very question and he said no. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
There is no doubt that is his shtick but listen, there have been some very serious debates in this forum and he has had every opportunity to participate in them and offer up some kind of opposing argumentation that truly reflects his views and expresses some semblance of logic the average human being can follow but he has chosen to remain a dedicated idiot.
He must be a natural... |
i cannot argue your logic. perhaps it is his wish to never get involved seriously in a political debate. i mean, you cant exactly say were very respectful of each others opinions. its one of the reasons why i lurk in this forum most of the time and post very little. i dont enjoy having every opinion of mine met with hostility and a general malaise simply because its contradictory to someone elses opinion |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
There is no problem and we have no quarrel. I find the articles Stonewall posts interesting and in my so-called "sphere of concern" with what's going on in the world I recognize our part in it and all that. As I posted before, this is out of the hands of reason, logic and cool-heads. people with those attributes are not driving the bus, we're along for the ride, so to speak.
The middle-east is chock full of people who for various reasons, are easily led along by those who preach hate, just as our own country is. I view Islamists as cult-like. A very dangerous thing. Islamist extremists seem to be a collective,, moving in one direction, where it will stop, I don't know.
I do admit that I did feel as if there was some "kill the messenger" going on in regards to Stonewall and while I don't agree with most of his views, I did find that he presented his arguments in an intelligent way. The man may be wrong but he is a far cry from the likes of Dude Here. That's all I'm saying. |
Fair enough. But I have gone deep into the Stonedballs well and found there is a huge difference between being "well spoken" and "intelligent". If "the messenger's" only message is that all muslims are terrorists because Islam is terrorism, then he should be able to defend that opinion.
He cannot.
His position is purely semantic. His opinions are contrived. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
BTW, I've heard that knock against Stonewall before and he does not believe Islamic radicals represent all Muslims. I asked him that very question and he said no. |
and yet, somehow every post of his concerns radicalist muslims and the fear we should have because they may show up and blow us all to pieces. im not saying that its not a possibility, but you have to realize when someone sits here all day and just posts fearful posts about one race of people, people usually tend to shut themselves off from what that person has to say. not because it isnt true, and not because it may not be logical, but purely because people dont want to be told what to be scared of all the time |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
and yet, somehow every post of his concerns radicalist muslims and the fear we should have because they may show up and blow us all to pieces. im not saying that its not a possibility, but you have to realize when someone sits here all day and just posts fearful posts about one race of people, people usually tend to shut themselves off from what that person has to say. not because it isnt true, and not because it may not be logical, but purely because people dont want to be told what to be scared of all the time |
I don't see his informational posts that way. You can attribute anything you want to a post about the latest Islamist attack but I see them as a reminder that the world is far from perfect and there is small, boiling segment of Muslims who have espoused violence as a way to advance their agenda. All over the world, in just about every country. Even in this country but to a far less degree.
As far as him posting about Islamic attacks exclusively... Well, I don't think he's interested in posting about moderate Muslim activities. You know the old adage, if it bleeds, it leads.
I believe the Islamic extremism problem would exist, even if we were not in Iraq or did not support Israel. Every Muslim nation and just about every non-Muslim nation has had to struggle with extremists. See Thailand and the Philippines for that. Hell, Muslim extremists kill their own because they don't feel their brother Muslim is pious enough. It is a serious problem, especially in Countries like Pakistan, where they are perhaps only one assassination away from radical Islamists having control of Nuclear weapons.
BTW, I also don't like to see anyone's views get pummeled unless they really deserve it. I also don't pretend to know the answers to any of this bullshit. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I'm not trying to defend Stonewall or rehabilitate him. A lot of my comments results from wanting to discuss the topic but it is quickly mired in name-calling and accusations.
I believe one of the reasons for this is because after the midterm elections, I took a lengthy break from the forum and I'm sure Stonewall wore out his welcome during that time. When I started posting again, he had already been relegated to kook status by most of the board, so I am on a different tolerance curve with him than most and there is no blame for that, it just is what it is.
BTW, I've heard that knock against Stonewall before and he does not believe Islamic radicals represent all Muslims. I asked him that very question and he said no. |
I think he has about zero self-awareness concerning Islam. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
I think he has about zero self-awareness concerning Islam. |
What do you mean? Are you referring to the fact that he concentrates solely on effect and never cause?
I know one thing about him, he often falls back to the Koran to support his position and explain the actions of a particular Islamist attack. |
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| Ass Boil |
| No, he falls back on one specific INTERPRETATION of the koran that supports the chicken little message he is trying to send. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I don't see his informational posts that way. You can attribute anything you want to a post about the latest Islamist attack but I see them as a reminder that the world is far from perfect and there is small, boiling segment of Muslims who have espoused violence as a way to advance their agenda. All over the world, in just about every country. Even in this country but to a far less degree.
As far as him posting about Islamic attacks exclusively... Well, I don't think he's interested in posting about moderate Muslim activities. You know the old adage, if it bleeds, it leads.
I believe the Islamic extremism problem would exist, even if we were not in Iraq or did not support Israel. Every Muslim nation and just about every non-Muslim nation has had to struggle with extremists. See Thailand and the Philippines for that. Hell, Muslim extremists kill their own because they don't feel their brother Muslim is pious enough. It is a serious problem, especially in Countries like Pakistan, where they are perhaps only one assassination away from radical Islamists having control of Nuclear weapons.
BTW, I also don't like to see anyone's views get pummeled unless they really deserve it. I also don't pretend to know the answers to any of this bullshit. |
you are a scholar and a gentleman, we just dont see eye to eye on this issue. i accept your opinion and appreciate your time |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
No, he falls back on one specific INTERPRETATION of the koran that supports the chicken little message he is trying to send. |
He falls back to the same interpretation the radicals use.
Most times it's very clear. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
you are a scholar and a gentleman, we just dont see eye to eye on this issue. i accept your opinion and appreciate your time |
It was nice to have the discussion without getting wacky. :) |
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| Fdubya247 |
Bottom line, Stumpy is a proven LIAR (and Bush Admin apologist). His pillow-biting Islamic fantasies aside, he should not be looked to for objective info.
...other than that, I can almost look on him fondly now........esp. in comparison to the weak cockroach larvae "reserves" that hatched around here recently to fill in the republicunt gaps.
Ignorant AND boring mults are inexcusable... |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Bottom line, Stumpy is a proven LIAR (and Bush Admin apologist). His pillow-biting Islamic fantasies aside, he should not be looked to for objective info.
...other than that, I can almost look on him fondly now........esp. in comparison to the weak cockroach larvae "reserves" that hatched around here recently to fill in the republicunt gaps.
Ignorant AND boring mults are inexcusable... |
I wonder where they all came from.
The nest must be found and burned. :flamer: |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Bottom line, Stumpy is a proven LIAR (and Bush Admin apologist). His pillow-biting Islamic fantasies aside, he should not be looked to for objective info.
...other than that, I can almost look on him fondly now........esp. in comparison to the weak cockroach larvae "reserves" that hatched around here recently to fill in the republicunt gaps.
Ignorant AND boring mults are inexcusable... |
who exactly would you be referring to? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
who exactly would you be referring to? |
All the new mults running around. There's a bunch of them hatched just recently. |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I wonder where they all came from.
The nest must be found and burned. :flamer: |
...do you think NCDike and VTW are still "with" us...? "Vacation" was a ruse...?
If so...pathetic. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
who exactly would you be referring to? |
Not you Yip Yip. I know/like you...
...and that's saying a lot from me to a "conservative".... |
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...there was this rising spam star, "Rike", for example...
...he was a genuine "ass-baby" tho, and couldn't take the heat... |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...do you think NCDike and VTW are still "with" us...? "Vacation" was a ruse...?
If so...pathetic. |
I'm too lazy/don't care to investigate it but it looks like a lot of the new mults have under 100 posts each and came out of nowhere but they seem to have been cultivated awhile ago.
Could be a coincidence, except they are mostly bush supporters and they are less than 30 percent of the general population...
Psycho Mike is the only one with enough ego, hubris and mental malfunction to surreptitiously create a mult army.
That's my guess. |
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...mult "army"... :p
...Dawn of the Dumb... |
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Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
No, he falls back on one specific INTERPRETATION of the koran that supports the chicken little message he is trying to send. |
yes, this is what I would say too, nc-stern |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
He falls back to the same interpretation the radicals use.
Most times it's very clear. |
exception and the rule |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...Dawn of the Dumb... |
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Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
yes, this is what I would say too, nc-stern |
One thing I've always agreed with Stonewall on is the mechanism that draws in radicals and creates Islamists. That is the Koran itself. The writings are there, they are clear, concise and to the point. This is the exact reason that moderate, peace-loving Muslims have little to say to the radicals. If and when they do protest, they are shouted down by Islamists who point to the teachings of Islam.
To me, it's a flaw that's being exploited by purveyors of hate.
If you believe the Koran to be a perfect document, you believe in jihad and the slaying of infidels. If you're saying the Koran does not say that, you're an infidel.
If you want to defend the Koran as a message of peace and love, then you are defending Islam but I'm saying Islam, Christianity and all the major religions have flaws that have been exploited in one form or another through history and they are all fucking BULLSHIT!
If you want to defend the teachings in the Koran, think about what that means...
Societal evolution... Sucks that it's moving at so slow a pace. :) |
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I understand what you are saying in principle, but it has no use in practice.
So, let's figure out a way to solve problems rather than isolate 1/3 of the world's population. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...Dawn of the Dumb... |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
One thing I've always agreed with Stonewall on is the mechanism that draws in radicals and creates Islamists. That is the Koran itself. The writings are there, they are clear, concise and to the point. This is the exact reason that moderate, peace-loving Muslims have little to say to the radicals. If and when they do protest, they are shouted down by Islamists who point to the teachings of Islam.
To me, it's a flaw that's being exploited by purveyors of hate.
If you believe the Koran to be a perfect document, you believe in jihad and the slaying of infidels. If you're saying the Koran does not say that, you're an infidel.
If you want to defend the Koran as a message of peace and love, then you are defending Islam but I'm saying Islam, Christianity and all the major religions have flaws that have been exploited in one form or another through history and they are all fucking BULLSHIT!
If you want to defend the teachings in the Koran, think about what that means...
Societal evolution... Sucks that it's moving at so slow a pace. :) |
I am no theological scholar. But are you saying that the Bible has none of the same inclusions? Is the Bible a perfect document? |
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| No one here has "defended" the koran. Just like the Bible, the koran CAN be used to justify hate and violence. But the simple fact that the OVERWHELMING majority do NOT interpret the koran in that way means it is not as black and white as Stumpy McFucknuts portrays. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
I understand what you are saying in principle, but it has no use in practice.
So, let's figure out a way to solve problems rather than isolate 1/3 of the world's population. |
Boy oh boy... Did I suggest a solution or just try and present what I understand to be the mechanism that attracts people to radical Islam? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
I am no theological scholar. But are you saying that the Bible has none of the same inclusions? Is the Bible a perfect document? |
I don't know why I have to go over this I really don't...
My Quote...
"If you want to defend the Koran as a message of peace and love, then you are defending Islam but I'm saying Islam, Christianity and all the major religions have flaws that have been exploited in one form or another through history and they are all fucking BULLSHIT!" |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I don't know why I have to go over this I really don't...
My Quote...
"If you want to defend the Koran as a message of peace and love, then you are defending Islam but I'm saying Islam, Christianity and all the major religions have flaws that have been exploited in one form or another through history and they are all fucking BULLSHIT!" |
mingmen only reads the first two sentences of a post and then forms an opinion and posts a reply. ive tried to discuss things with him but if i cannot put it within the first two sentences, i know he wont read it |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
mingmen only reads the first two sentences of a post and then forms an opinion and posts a reply. ive tried to discuss things with him but if i cannot put it within the first two sentences, i know he wont read it |
what is it? I am game. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
No one here has "defended" the koran. Just like the Bible, the koran CAN be used to justify hate and violence. But the simple fact that the OVERWHELMING majority do NOT interpret the koran in that way means it is not as black and white as Stumpy McFucknuts portrays. |
Everyone knows that AB, you are stating the obvious and creating yet another strawman argument.
I have already that acknowledged that fact multiple times. I merely stated the fact the Koran supports the actions of Islamists and that's how and where the justify their behavior.
Didn't say it was right or wrong or all Muslims believed it. I said ISLAMISTS. Is it at all possible to discuss this subject intelligently without getting attacked for no reason in this forum?
I think the answer to that question is no. Good job. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I don't know why I have to go over this I really don't...
My Quote...
"If you want to defend the Koran as a message of peace and love, then you are defending Islam but I'm saying Islam, Christianity and all the major religions have flaws that have been exploited in one form or another through history and they are all fucking BULLSHIT!" |
I don't think Muslims are inherently violent or murderous. It is open to debate. I don't think it is a useful distinction to draw either.
I think this is a bit of boogeyman fear. But I am open to your thoughts.
But it is probably better for our nerves to agree to disagree.
No matter with you NC-Stern. You have a proven track record with me. :bigup: |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
I don't think Muslims are inherently violent or murderous. It is open to debate. I don't think it is a useful distinction to draw either.
I think this is a bit of boogeyman fear. But I am open to your thoughts.
But it is probably better for our nerves to agree to disagree.
No matter with you NC-Stern. You have a proven track record with me. :bigup: |
Dude, I never said that Muslims were inherently anything. I was just pointing out something I agreed with Stonewall on. The justifications for radical Islamists are written into the Koran. That's a fact, that's all, case closed.
Just to be fair, I also mentioned they are also written into the bible.
I also said they are all full of shit. |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Everyone knows that AB, you are stating the obvious and creating yet another strawman argument.
I have already that acknowledged that fact multiple times. I merely stated the fact the Koran supports the actions of Islamists and that's how and where the justify their behavior.
Didn't say it was right or wrong or all Muslims believed it. I said ISLAMISTS. Is it at all possible to discuss this subject intelligently without getting attacked for no reason in this forum?
I think the answer to that question is no. Good job. |
Where did I "attack" you? Settle down. Take a wide stance.
Stoney NoNutz has stated there is "no variance" in Islam. But when you ask him if all muslims are terrorists, he answers "no".
You can defend him all you like, but that is the contradiction of an asshole who cannot defend his position.
It's no "strawman". It's stumpy's position on THIS issue. Why is repeating the things he has said here a "strawman"? |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Dude, I never said that Muslims were inherently anything. I was just pointing out something I agreed with Stonewall on. The justifications for radical Islamists are written into the Koran. That's a fact, that's all, case closed.
Just to be fair, I also mentioned they are also written into the bible.
I also said they are all full of shit. |
Me thinks that Stoney is not so sensible. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Where did I "attack" you? Settle down. Take a wide stance.
Stoney NoNutz has stated there is "no variance" in Islam. But when you ask him if all muslims are terrorists, he answers "no".
You can defend him all you like, but that is the contradiction of an asshole who cannot defend his position.
It's no "strawman". It's stumpy's position on THIS issue. Why is repeating the things he has said here a "strawman"? |
"no variance"...sigh...that was a fun thread...
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Wide stance :jj:
I am surprised Craig did not say he had large size feet. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Where did I "attack" you? Settle down. Take a wide stance.
Stoney NoNutz has stated there is "no variance" in Islam. But when you ask him if all muslims are terrorists, he answers "no".
You can defend him all you like, but that is the contradiction of an asshole who cannot defend his position.
It's no "strawman". It's stumpy's position on THIS issue. Why is repeating the things he has said here a "strawman"? |
Because he his not in this thread, I am. I said I agree with his assertion the Koran specifically supports the actions of radical Islamists and that is how they justify their actions and attract new recruits.
I am saying point blank, the Koran is a fucked-up, piece of shit fantasy book that advocates violence, just as the Christian bible does! Period. |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Because he his not in this thread, I am. I said I agree with his assertion the Koran specifically supports the actions of radical Islamists and that is how they justify their actions and attract new recruits.
I am saying point blank, the Koran is a fucked-up, piece of shit fantasy book that advocates violence, just as the Christian bible does! Period. |
...Stumpy's problem in this subject is he paints 1.7 billion peeps with the same brush...except when forced to answer a straight question...just like with Bush, Dickless, Libby...etc...(see my sig.)...
...that's what makes him so shit-storm worthy...he knows the "truth" but chooses instead to propagandize his deluded fantasies from atop his schizoid soap-box...pathetic. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Because he his not in this thread, I am. I said I agree with his assertion the Koran specifically supports the actions of radical Islamists and that is how they justify their actions and attract new recruits.
I am saying point blank, the Koran is a fucked-up, piece of shit fantasy book that advocates violence, just as the Christian bible does! Period. |
Except I have agreed with you on that. So where did I attack you?
I have pointed out the many contradictions of Stoney's positions, but you continue to pledge your allegiance to him. That is not my fault. Might I suggest that your position is not as close to his as YOU feel it is? |
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Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...Stumpy's problem in this subject is he paints 1.7 billion peeps with the same brush...except when forced to answer a straight question...just like with Bush, Dickless, Libby...etc...(see my sig.)...
...that's what makes him so shit-storm worthy...he knows the "truth" but chooses instead to propagandize his deluded fantasies from atop his schizoid soap-box...pathetic. |
yeah...
i think he was out just to win a argument...just like ncmike
spin everything to his advantage ...even if hes wrong |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Except I have agreed with you on that. So where did I attack you?
I have pointed out the many contradictions of Stoney's positions, but you continue to pledge your allegiance to him. That is not my fault. Might I suggest that your position is not as close to his as YOU feel it is? |
HELLO AB!
Please tell where I "pledged my allegiance" to any fucking one! Again you assign me a position that I have NEVER taken and it boring, aggravating and non-productive.
I said I agree with him on writings in Koran being used attract and recruit Islamists and those same writings being use to justify their actions.
I also stated he did not think all Muslims were radicalized. I say that only because I ASKED him the question directly. I am not ASSIGNING him a position. I an NOT defending his position, I am stating the answer he gave me.
I also understand my position is not close to his on a lot of issues but I'm allowed to agree with SOMETHING the man says if it happens to be true. |
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| the reason he said all muslims weren't radicalized... was because they weren't following there religion 100% |
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Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
HELLO AB!
Please tell where I "pledged my allegiance" to any fucking one! Again you assign me a position that I have NEVER taken and it boring, aggravating and non-productive.
I said I agree with him on writings in Koran being used attract and recruit Islamists and those same writings being use to justify their actions.
I also stated he did not think all Muslims were radicalized. I say that only because I ASKED him the question directly. I am not ASSIGNING him a position. I an NOT defending his position, I am stating the answer he gave me.
I also understand my position is not close to his on a lot of issues but I'm allowed to agree with SOMETHING the man says if it happens to be true. |
Dude, you keep accusing me of "assigning" you a position, yet YOU are the one who said in this thread that Stumpy is "an educated and intelligent poster", that "Many of his posting were informational in nature and not editorialized", and that you "find that he presented his arguments in an intelligent way".
I disagree with all of those descriptions.
You don't think I have asked Stonewall that question? He told me the same thing. But then proceeds to tell me how there is "no variance" in Islam and how Islam "requires" violence. How can someone with those 2 positions be taken seriously? I also asked him if the overhwelming majority of muslims are then being BAD muslims because they do not act violently?
I am still waiting for an answer to that question.....
Now please tell me where I "attacked" you? |
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Quote: Originally posted by artie84
the reason he said all muslims weren't radicalized... was because they weren't following there religion 100% |
That was a bad and fatal analogy he made but there is a grain of truth to it. I've read from a few different sources that the reason moderates (read vast majority of Muslims) can't shout down or shame radical Islamists, is that the Islamists can pull the "it's in the Koran" card and the moderate will be forced to be quiet.
I remember reading one story about a college professor teaching a class and calling Islamists into question. That started a conflict with some members of the class and they ended up throwing him out the window.
I was interested at the motivation behind the Islamists, that's one of the main reasons I delved into this subject. The writings in the Koran are only one reason. Stonewall's biggest problem is did not recognize or acknowledge other motivations but he can answer that one for himself he cares to. |
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| AB, I will answer your post in a few. Time for a smoke. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
That was a bad and fatal analogy he made but there is a grain of truth to it. I've read from a few different sources that the reason moderates (read vast majority of Muslims) can't shout down or shame radical Islamists, is that the Islamists can pull the "it's in the Koran" card and the moderate will be forced to be quiet.
I remember reading one story about a college professor teaching a class and calling Islamists into question. That started a conflict with some members of the class and they ended up throwing him out the window.
I was interested at the motivation behind the Islamists, that's one of the main reasons I delved into this subject. The writings in the Koran are only one reason. Stonewall's biggest problem is did not recognize or acknowledge other motivations but he can answer that one for himself he cares to. |
I wonder why the "peace" argument gets no traction with many Christians? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
AB, I will answer your post in a few. Time for a smoke. |
Enjoy, friend :cool: |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Dude, you keep accusing me of "assigning" you a position, yet YOU are the one who said in this thread that Stumpy is "an educated and intelligent poster", that "Many of his posting were informational in nature and not editorialized", and that you "find that he presented his arguments in an intelligent way".
I disagree with all of those descriptions. |
OK AB, One way I drew the conclusion about SW's intelligence was from reading the thread he participated in with CT where they were arguing about the supreme court. The man has a depth of knowledge about other issues besides Islam and can express himself clearly and concisely. I read that as intelligence. It doesn't mean he is correct on all issues, he just means he is intelligent. Intelligent men can make dumb decisions at times but I have no doubt that he is an educated, intelligent man. If you disagree, that is fine, that is your opinion and your are entitled to it.
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
You don't think I have asked Stonewall that question? He told me the same thing. But then proceeds to tell me how there is "no variance" in Islam and how Islam "requires" violence. How can someone with those 2 positions be taken seriously? I also asked him if the overhwelming majority of muslims are then being BAD muslims because they do not act violently? |
Well as I said, that was a flawed position because the vast majority of Muslims are not jihadists. I also pointed that out to him and noted that if all Muslims did buy into the teachings of the Koran, the 120,000 soldiers in Iraq would be slaughtered in mere hours. That's proof enough that a small group of hateful murderers have high-jacked the Koran to serve their own agenda. But again, those writing are there and it does create an out for the actions of jihadists and that explains some, but not all Muslims opinion that 9-11 was deserved.
The point that SW tried to make and where he fell on his sword was strict, literal interpretation of the Koran and if you were to strictly interpret the Koran, a follower of Islam must make jihad. Whether that is the case or not, the vast majority of Muslims IGNORE this requirement and it is therefore invalid. SW harped on the point because that's how the Islamists justified themselves. I can see why he felt that was so important because if the Islamists didn't have the Koran to back them up, they would just be a bunch of common thugs instead of God's warriors.
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I am still waiting for an answer to that question.....
Now please tell me where I "attacked" you? |
I'm referring to the times I was questioned about positions I never took. Unless you insist, I would prefer not to create a list, because that doesn't seem like a productive thing to do and may only serve to aggravate the situation. Let's just say I don't want to b | | | | | |
