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| johnsonrod |
OK. I have a question:
Lets say that I have a SUV gass guzzler. Lets say you have a prius.
My work is 3 miles from my house. Your work is 50 miles from yours.
Assume neither of us drives outside of that.
OK. Under that model, my car, although way less fuel efficient, produces less greenhouse gasses per day, week year or whatever. That's what really hurts the planet anyway, so it should be the only thing that really matters right?
Taking that point further, shouldn't we all try to work way closer to home in order to curb our carbon footprint? Regardless of what we drive even. Certainly, most of us COULD find a job closer to home, even if it is for less money. Why are our work locations off the table in this discussion? Having a job which requires obscene amounts of greenhouse emissions to travel to would be selfish, just as selfish as owning a gass-guzzler. We all have to stop thinking of our own conspicuous consumption and make the necessary sacrifices. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
OK. Under that model, my car, although way less fuel efficient, produces less greenhouse gasses per day, week year or whatever. That's what really hurts the planet anyway, so it should be the only thing that really matters right?
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Evidence? We need to make sure we are on the same page here. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
WGAS
If you can afford a gas-guzzler, drive the fuckin' thing.
We're only here for a short time so make yourself comfortable. |
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| mingmen |
We could have greater fuel efficiency if corporate interests did not oppose it.
And still have large cars. |
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| ICE CUBAN |
If you live 50 miles from work you're a Suburban piece of shit who needs to die.
If you drive an SUV, by yourself, to a job 3 miles away from your house you are an idiot and have a small penis like most guys who drive SUV's. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by ICE CUBAN
If you live 50 miles from work you're a Suburban piece of shit who needs to die.
If you drive an SUV, by yourself, to a job 3 miles away from your house you are an idiot and have a small penis like most guys who drive SUV's. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
We could have greater fuel efficiency if corporate interests did not oppose it.
And still have large cars. |
qft |
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| sternowitz |
| You make a valid but stupid argument. |
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| kali |
why are you feeling guilty about what you drive???
do you have no confidence in yourself?
really, no one cares what YOU drive.
If I could afford a car i would want one that didn't depend on gas from countries I think are scum. Why should the middle east get my money and why should scumbag gas companies get my money?
If you actually did research on this you would know that battery technology continues to evolve and improve. The excuse that batteries won't last long and are too expensive is an argument that will soon be gone.
Hybrids at least let you use LESS criminal oil.
you don't need to depend on american companies to sell you a good electric car or hybrid. Other countries (fearing competition) are busy making these new cars. And they will continue because most other countries pay more for Oil than the US.
There are entire cities in parts of Europe that get all their energy from renewable sources and they look great! i wish i could live there! And since many students live in these areas you can't make the claim that it's "too expensive" because that's completely wrong.
America is backward if it continues to not get with the program |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by kali
why are you feeling guilty about what you drive???
do you have no confidence in yourself?
really, no one cares what YOU drive.
If I could afford a car i would want one that didn't depend on gas from countries I think are scum. Why should the middle east get my money and why should scumbag gas companies get my money?
If you actually did research on this you would know that battery technology continues to evolve and improve. The excuse that batteries won't last long and are too expensive is an argument that will soon be gone.
Hybrids at least let you use LESS criminal oil.
you don't need to depend on american companies to sell you a good electric car or hybrid. Other countries (fearing competition) are busy making these new cars. And they will continue because most other countries pay more for Oil than the US.
There are entire cities in parts of Europe that get all their energy from renewable sources and they look great! i wish i could live there! And since many students live in these areas you can't make the claim that it's "too expensive" because that's completely wrong.
America is backward if it continues to not get with the program |
what about the argument that the production of these batteries causes more greenhouse gas than the average suv puts out in its lifetime? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
| actually i agree with edwards on this , he is right . now i wanna see him get rid of his |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
actually i agree with edwards on this , he is right . now i wanna see him get rid of his |
there actually is an edwards thread if you care to post your opinion on that over there. i believe johnsonrod was asking us for something different in this thread |
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| Crusader1968 |
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...vs_the_SUV.html
Look Edwards does not want to give his SUV but like all commie's he like to tell other people what they should do.
August 29, 2007
Read More: John Edwards
Edwards vs. the SUV
Speaking to machinists in Florida today, John Edwards said he'd expect Americans to sacrifice their inefficient cars, and specifically to give up their SUVs, AP reports.
But campaigning turns out to be a pretty high-carbon practice. All the candidates ride around, particularly in Iowa, in big cars — Hillary rode an 18-wheeler; Obama rented an RV; and Edwards, whose convoy is often mini-van centric, had this Cadillac SRX Crossover (15 mpg) beside him in Iowa on his arrival from announcing his candidacy for president in New Orleans, according to his Flickr stream.
Actually, Edwards isn't anti-SUV — he seems to be quite consciously avoiding the trap of appearing to demand that Americans drive only Trabants. His spokesman says he drives a hybrid SUV, the Ford Escape, at home in North Carolina, though the AP reported in April that the family has an SUV and a small truck as well.
His website says, "Edwards believes that everyone should be able to drive the car, truck or SUV of their choice and still enjoy high fuel economy."
Edwards spokesman Eric Schultz says they buy carbon offsets for the vehicles, and adds:
"John Edwards believes that all Americans need to be patriotic about something other than war, and that means conserving at home, at work, and in the cars they drive. And that includes the Edwards family. They drive a hybrid Ford Escape, but they also still own a Chrysler Pacifica – which they use less often. He is reducing his own impact on global warming by driving a hybrid, building an energy-efficient home, and subsidizing renewable energy to offset the carbon emissions of his home, vehicles, and his campaign."
Of course, none of this automotive stuff holds a candle (to choose an unsafe metaphor) to the gas they're all burning with those private jets. |
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| booybob |
Quote: Originally posted by kali
why are you feeling guilty about what you drive???
do you have no confidence in yourself?
really, no one cares what YOU drive.
If I could afford a car i would want one that didn't depend on gas from countries I think are scum. Why should the middle east get my money and why should scumbag gas companies get my money?
If you actually did research on this you would know that battery technology continues to evolve and improve. The excuse that batteries won't last long and are too expensive is an argument that will soon be gone.
Hybrids at least let you use LESS criminal oil.
you don't need to depend on american companies to sell you a good electric car or hybrid. Other countries (fearing competition) are busy making these new cars. And they will continue because most other countries pay more for Oil than the US.
There are entire cities in parts of Europe that get all their energy from renewable sources and they look great! i wish i could live there! And since many students live in these areas you can't make the claim that it's "too expensive" because that's completely wrong.
America is backward if it continues to not get with the program |
damn, if you wish you could live in europe, all you have to do is renounce your citizenship and get the fuck out!!!!!!!!!!!! it is not hard, call the state dept and tell them.
you wont though, you are just another piece of shit who dumps on this country. |
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| MissingMentalPatient |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
WGAS
If you can afford a gas-guzzler, drive the fuckin' thing.
We're only here for a short time so make yourself comfortable. |
Exactly. |
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| ihateralphiec |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
OK. I have a question:
Lets say that I have a SUV gass guzzler. Lets say you have a prius.
My work is 3 miles from my house. Your work is 50 miles from yours.
Assume neither of us drives outside of that.
OK. Under that model, my car, although way less fuel efficient, produces less greenhouse gasses per day, week year or whatever. That's what really hurts the planet anyway, so it should be the only thing that really matters right?
Taking that point further, shouldn't we all try to work way closer to home in order to curb our carbon footprint? Regardless of what we drive even. Certainly, most of us COULD find a job closer to home, even if it is for less money. Why are our work locations off the table in this discussion? Having a job which requires obscene amounts of greenhouse emissions to travel to would be selfish, just as selfish as owning a gass-guzzler. We all have to stop thinking of our own conspicuous consumption and make the necessary sacrifices. |
Even though most here have beaten you down for this argument, it is completely valid. A long commute in a hybrid is more wasteful than a short commute in any gas guzzler you can imagine.
The trend of people having long commutes to their work is not good as a whole. Roads get more worn, more gas is consumed, more congestion, more people spending less time at work or at home, less time to exercise, etc... |
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| Bist Meshugeh |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
OK. I have a question:
Lets say that I have a SUV gass guzzler. Lets say you have a prius.
My work is 3 miles from my house. Your work is 50 miles from yours.
Assume neither of us drives outside of that.
OK. Under that model, my car, although way less fuel efficient, produces less greenhouse gasses per day, week year or whatever. That's what really hurts the planet anyway, so it should be the only thing that really matters right?
Taking that point further, shouldn't we all try to work way closer to home in order to curb our carbon footprint? Regardless of what we drive even. Certainly, most of us COULD find a job closer to home, even if it is for less money. Why are our work locations off the table in this discussion? Having a job which requires obscene amounts of greenhouse emissions to travel to would be selfish, just as selfish as owning a gass-guzzler. We all have to stop thinking of our own conspicuous consumption and make the necessary sacrifices. |
Leave for work an hour earlier and fucking walk the 3 miles.. |
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| ihateralphiec |
Quote: Originally posted by Bist Meshugeh
Leave for work an hour earlier and fucking walk the 3 miles.. |
Your missing the point, Bist.
I think all the protest to Johnson Rod is he is a conservative and lately NC, VTW, and PM have all gone missing to beat on. And Rike's and Mr. PC's comments are too stupid to argue with. |
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| Calistan |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
OK. I have a question:
Lets say that I have a SUV gass guzzler. Lets say you have a prius.
My work is 3 miles from my house. Your work is 50 miles from yours.
Assume neither of us drives outside of that.
OK. Under that model, my car, although way less fuel efficient, produces less greenhouse gasses per day, week year or whatever. That's what really hurts the planet anyway, so it should be the only thing that really matters right?
Taking that point further, shouldn't we all try to work way closer to home in order to curb our carbon footprint? Regardless of what we drive even. Certainly, most of us COULD find a job closer to home, even if it is for less money. Why are our work locations off the table in this discussion? Having a job which requires obscene amounts of greenhouse emissions to travel to would be selfish, just as selfish as owning a gass-guzzler. We all have to stop thinking of our own conspicuous consumption and make the necessary sacrifices. |
I drive a rocket powered big wheel. That thing will smoke your SUV any day of the week, pal! I live in LA and work on Catalina Island. I don't need to take no stinkin' ferry, I just drive my rocket powered big wheel off the pier at awesome, fantasticalrrific speed, and with the momentum I skip across the channel like a rock on a pond! BITCHIN'!!! Did I mention my rocket powered big wheel is painted exactly like the Red Baron's Fokker Triplane? Well it is. And man is it ever a pussy magnet! |
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| mingmen |
| SUVs lead to terrorism. Proven fact. Why do SUV drivers hate America? |
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| johnsonrod |
Cool. this thread got some attention. Personally, I do not drive an SUV OR commute 3 miles to work. Hell, I wish I could just telecommute.
Anyway, what I was getting at is the following:
1. If the goal is what I think it really is or should be-->less greenhouse gas footprint per person. Why stop at SUVs? Why not guilt people for commuting long distances just to make a few extra bucks? or to make you a bit more fulfilled in what you do? That few extra bucks you make certainly should be sacrificed for the greater good, right? And the happiness you will feel from saving the earth should outweigh the emptiness of working a less attractive job right? |
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| kali |
Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
what about the argument that the production of these batteries causes more greenhouse gas than the average suv puts out in its lifetime? |
That's only if you assume there will never be new battery technologies.
anyway, my point is that using energy should be a local solution and every area has it's own energy advantages.
each person should do their research and stop depending on companies and gov. |
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| kali |
Quote: Originally posted by booybob
damn, if you wish you could live in europe, all you have to do is renounce your citizenship and get the fuck out!!!!!!!!!!!! it is not hard, call the state dept and tell them.
you wont though, you are just another piece of shit who dumps on this country. |
once again another asshole small-minded thinking who feels he can tell others what to do.
The ONLY thing that makes this country worth living in IS the Constitution. If those ideas are not followed, it's no longer the United States of America.
unfortunately, we are getting very close to that.
I'm not rich. I don't have the money to just up and move. That's because I'm not a criminal like many lawyers and politians. Or scamming wackpackers (well, they aren't rich either, but they just aren't good at their scamming).
anyway, I have contributed more to this country than you have and I can say what I like about the state it;s in.
so fuck off :fu: |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by ihateralphiec
Even though most here have beaten you down for this argument, it is completely valid. A long commute in a hybrid is more wasteful than a short commute in any gas guzzler you can imagine.
The trend of people having long commutes to their work is not good as a whole. Roads get more worn, more gas is consumed, more congestion, more people spending less time at work or at home, less time to exercise, etc... |
Yeah I don't think many actually understood my points:
1. Shouldn't greenhouse footprint/person be the criteria rather than one piece of it(car).
2. Why aren't all kinds of personal choices part of the "discussion" if changing those choices gives the results that the environmentalists want?
I have my own opinions on why people would rather talk about what kind of car people drive than issues that might really change things(easy target, pettiness, etc). |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
SUVs lead to terrorism. Proven fact. Why do SUV drivers hate America? |
How is that a proven fact? Because they require fuel? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
How is that a proven fact? Because they require fuel? |
Increased dependence on foreign oil. You know, what the Iraq "war" is being fought over. |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
Increased dependence on foreign oil. You know, what the Iraq "war" is being fought over. |
OK. Why do you indict SUVs and not every other activity that requires fossil fuel? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
OK. Why do you indict SUVs and not every other activity that requires fossil fuel? |
Blatantly inefficient? |
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| johnsonrod |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
Blatantly inefficient? |
There are many other inefficient practices that result from burning foreign oil. Why stop at SUVs?
Is it because they represent gluttonous bourguios excess or something? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
There are many other inefficient practices that result from burning foreign oil. Why stop at SUVs?
Is it because they represent gluttonous bourguios excess or something? |
Who said "stop at SUVs"? |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by kali
That's only if you assume there will never be new battery technologies.
anyway, my point is that using energy should be a local solution and every area has it's own energy advantages.
each person should do their research and stop depending on companies and gov. |
did you know california is going through a huge power shortage? were at 7% right now, when he hit 3%, we go back into rolling black outs like we did in the 80s when gray davis sold all our power
power is not a neverending commodity either kali, i hate to shatter your world again. and im not assuming battery technology will not go through a major overhaul and revamping, sure we will have better battery technology in the future, but right now, the production of these batteries for hybrid cars produce an amazing amount of toxins that are released into the air. you can hardly tell me that this global warming frenzy that everyone is freaked out about doesnt lose just a little credibility when none of the big corporations give it a second thought to polluting our air even worse than an suv. |
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| Tech Difficulty |
Quote: Originally posted by johnsonrod
Yeah I don't think many actually understood my points:
1. Shouldn't greenhouse footprint/person be the criteria rather than one piece of it(car).
2. Why aren't all kinds of personal choices part of the "discussion" if changing those choices gives the results that the environmentalists want?
I have my own opinions on why people would rather talk about what kind of car people drive than issues that might really change things(easy target, pettiness, etc). |
this is a great post, and i completely agree with your feelings on this |
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