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NC-Stern-Mark

All the sweat, blood, tears, pain, time and lives that it took establish the Teamsters Union is about to be undone when Mexican trucks are allowed to roll onto America's highways. This is just the latest slap in the face to middle-class America and the latest relay in the race to the bottom. The Teamsters, love em or hate em propelled the average truck driver into the American middle-class and we as a nation benefited from that. Now, the ideal that a man's labor be rewarded with a decent living wage is getting shit on once again.

Mexican Trucks Begin Crossing Border Saturday

WASHINGTON -- The Teamsters Union said it has been told by officials in the Transportation Department's Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration that the first Mexican trucks will be coming across the border on Saturday.

The union said Wednesday it would ask a federal appeals courts to block the Bush administration's plan to begin allowing Mexican trucks to carry cargo anywhere in the United States.

Teamsters leaders said they planned to seek an emergency injunction Wednesday from the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

"What a slap in the face to American workers, opening the highways to dangerous trucks on Labor Day weekend, one of the busiest driving weekends of the year," said Teamsters President Jim Hoffa.

Joining the Teamsters in seeking the emergency stay were the Sierra Club and Public Citizen.
"Before providing unconditional access throughout the country to tens of thousands of big rigs we know little to nothing about, we must insure they meet safety and environmental standards," Sierra Club executive director Carl Pope said.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, in a statement, said it was working closely with the department's inspector general "as his office completes an additional assessment of the program and we prepare a detailed response to that report."

The Bush administration said last week it would start the cross-border program once the Transportation Department's inspector general certifies safety and inspection plans.

Leslie Miller, a Teamsters spokeswoman, said attorneys for the federal truck safety agency advised the union's lawyers that they expect to get that certification on Friday. She said the Teamsters also were told by the agency attorneys that limited authority for trucks to begin crossing the border will be approved Saturday.

Supporters of the plan say letting more Mexican trucks on U.S. highways will save American consumers hundreds of millions of dollars.

Labor and driver-owner groups have been fighting the measure -- part of the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement -- since it was first proposed, saying the program will erode highway safety and eliminate U.S. jobs.

A one-year demonstration project would allow 100 Mexican motor carriers full access to U.S. roads. It can begin as soon as the inspector general certifies that safety and inspection plans and facilities are sufficient to ensure the Mexican trucks are as safe as U.S. trucks.

Since 1982, Mexican trucks have had to stop within a buffer border zone and transfer their loads to U.S. trucks.

According to the CHP, 18 percent of Mexican carriers were sidelined in 2006. That figure stands in contrast with the 19 percent of American companies.

Tech Difficulty

another step towards the unification of mexico, america, and canada right?

booybob

Thank god for NAFTA :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I guess truck driving is now a job that Americans won't do :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Tech Difficulty
another step towards the unification of mexico, america, and canada right?

No, I see it as yet another give away to corporations so they can stop paying a living wage to truck drivers and exploit lower-wage Mexican drivers. They will make many millions of dollars and the American truck drivers wage will be threatened and there won't be as many runs available for them if this is allowed to pass.

Sure, consumers will save a few pennies... but fuck the security concerns and the problems we will have when Mexican trucks start injuring and killing American drivers. Then we can have international litigation for traffic accidents. :)

They probably already slipped in a arbitration clause and we don't know it yet.

This is designed to replace the higher paid American driver with a lower paid Mexican driver. Period. There will have to be more Mexican drivers than ever before if they are allowed to drive into US destinations because before they only went so far and an American driver took the load. Now that American driver can stay home while the lower paid Mexican driver does what he used to do. Now, what about all the time the low-wage Mexican driver is suddenly spending in the US. He's not able to get back to Mexico as quick as he used to, so another Mexican driver will get a job making the runs he used to make.

It'll only be a matter of time before those low-wage Mexican drivers are allowed to take a load back to Mexico. Why, they are already in the country and it's a shame to send the truck back empty. A waste of fuel and corporate profits and such. So I guess more American drivers can stay home and watch Oprah.

This is fucking bullshit it is!

Crusader1968

One of The Liberal Gods signed NAFTA His name was Bill Clinton. Also its well known that labor union donates millions to the Dems, But why when they throw them under the bus too! This new plan for trucking is part of CAFTA, which is being hidden from America for some reason. I do expect that the government will sell us out on this too. And I don't trust Bush on this either.

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Crusader1968
One of The Liberal Gods signed NAFTA His name was Bill Clinton. Also its well known that labor union donates millions to the Dems, But why when they throw them under the bus too! This new plan for trucking is part of CAFTA, which is being hidden from America for some reason. I do expect that the government will sell us out on this too. And I don't trust Bush on this either.

It's an enigma it is

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by booybob
Thank god for NAFTA :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I guess truck driving is now a job that Americans won't do :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

maybe the Mexicans will do it without all the meth, crack and toothless hookers... IE more efficiently and cheaper.

maybe I'm just prejudiced because I drive from LA to SF once a month on the grapevine and have stopped at every truckstop on the way for coffee and bathroom breaks.

BarkonCue

The teamsters now face the challenge of organizing Mexican drivers.
I hope they can do this, if not their union may be doomed. :mad:

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
maybe the Mexicans will do it without all the meth, crack and toothless hookers... IE more efficiently and cheaper.

maybe I'm just prejudiced because I drive from LA to SF once a month on the grapevine and have stopped at every truckstop on the way for coffee and bathroom breaks.

Ya know what, truck drivers are pretty gritty, ain't they? They don't all do Meth though, that's an exaggeration, maybe 80 percent... :)

Lemme see if you get this... The very fact that truckers in general, are gritty, crusty, good ole boys, ya know, regular people who only by virtue of their Union were brought into the middle-class is one of the greatest things about America and why I love this country so much.

In my travels, I have meet and worked with regular, ordinary Americans from all over the US. Each and every one of them deserves to have their labor honored with a decent wage.

The Mexican truck drivers deserve the same. The "illegal" immigrants deserve the same. The fact that our country continues to exploit workers is a great shame upon our nation. Paying a substandard wage saps human dignity and spirit.

A fair days wage for a fair days work is what made our country the economic powerhouse it once was before a bunch of treasonous mother-fuckers start pecking away at it like a bunch of vultures.

BTW CT, watch your stance in those truck stop men's rooms. :)

soulman313

The kick of it is most of the 100 companies allowed into the states have U.S. parent companies(J.B. Hunt, Schneider National) all non union companies.

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by soulman313
The kick of it is most of the 100 companies allowed into the states have U.S. parent companies(J.B. Hunt, Schneider National) all non union companies.

Well, like I said, it's a corporate give-away that ignores any safety and security concerns and fucks the American worker right in the ass.

SOP from our Government the last 25 years.

soulman313

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Ya know what, truck drivers are pretty gritty, ain't they? They don't all do Meth though, that's an exaggeration, maybe 80 percent... :)

Lemme see if you get this... The very fact that truckers in general, are gritty, crusty, good ole boys, ya know, regular people who only by virtue of their Union were brought into the middle-class is one of the greatest things about America and why I love this country so much.

In my travels, I have meet and worked with regular, ordinary Americans from all over the US. Each and every one of them deserves to have their labor honored with a decent wage.

The Mexican truck drivers deserve the same. The "illegal" immigrants deserve the same. The fact that our country continues to exploit workers is a great shame upon our nation. Paying a substandard wage saps human dignity and spirit.

A fair days wage for a fair days work is what made our country the economic powerhouse it once was before a bunch of treasonous mother-fuckers start pecking away at it like a bunch of vultures.

BTW CT, watch your stance in those truck stop men's rooms. :)

His stance is probably the same as Senator Craig, truth is it wont be cheaper, the customers that use these 100 companies are gonna pass the savings onto the consumers huh? yeah ok, not to mention the cost of diesel, prices will not drop period. as far as doing it more efficiently there are laws governing the hours of service Truckers can work, most are paid mileage trust me most all of them are going the maximum amount of hours, 60 hours every week :hw: (one of the 20 percent)

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by soulman313
His stance is probably the same as Senator Craig, truth is it wont be cheaper, the customers that use these 100 companies are gonna pass the savings onto the consumers huh? yeah ok, not to mention the cost of diesel, prices will not drop period. as far as doing it more efficiently there are laws governing the hours of service Truckers can work most are paid mileage trust me most all of them are going the maximum amount of hours, 60 hours every week :hw: (one of the 20 percent)

Well I've called and emailed my legislators about this latest bullshit but you all know what good that does. Might as well stick my finger up my ass, I would get the same result.

Someday the working man is going to reclaim our country, hopefully it's soon.

Be safe out there soulman!

Westside

You get what you ask for. Open borders, amnesty, UN, etc... forget about voting for your representative they delegated that authority to international decision makers. Let those Mexican flags fly, learn to speak spanish and get out your sombrero...

soulman313

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Well I've called and emailed my legislators about this latest bullshit but you all know what good that does. Might as well stick my finger up my ass, I would get the same result.

Someday the working man is going to reclaim our country, hopefully it's soon.

Be safe out there soulman!

Thanks for your support!, Here is a link for anyone else:
http://www.teamsterstakeaction.org/...k=tdwmKfd148OaE

betabryan

This serves the Teamsters just right. They supported Comprehensive Immigration reform.

Comprehensive immigration reform = Amnesty + Little Border Security + A Host of New Illegals

From their website:

Immigration
The Teamsters will continue to work for comprehensive immigration reform that includes smart border security measures and earned legalization for undocumented workers who have contributed to our communities. The Teamsters will oppose legislation containing a guest worker program.

http://www.teamster.org/action/political/07agenda.htm

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by betabryan
This serves the Teamsters just right. They supported Comprehensive Immigration reform.

Comprehensive immigration reform = Amnesty + Little Border Security + A Host of New Illegals

From their website:

Immigration
The Teamsters will continue to work for comprehensive immigration reform that includes smart border security measures and earned legalization for undocumented workers who have contributed to our communities. The Teamsters will oppose legislation containing a guest worker program.

http://www.teamster.org/action/political/07agenda.htm

I don't think you read their statement correctly. It contradicts your statement and kinda makes you look stupid, it does.

Just sayin :)

soulman313

Update;

Bush Administration Delays Unpopular Program Until After Labor Day.

(Washington, D.C.) - Plans to open the border to Mexican trucks this weekend were postponed until at least Thursday, September 6.

The Bush administration’s lawyers on Thursday told the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that “DOT (Department of Transportation) now anticipates that the Demonstration Project will not begin before Thursday, September 6.”

Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa said the negative publicity generated by the union’s request for an injunction forced the Bush administration to delay its proposed pilot program.

“Dangerous trucks should not be driving all the way from Mexico to Maine and Minnesota,” Hoffa said. “The American people understand that, Congress understands that and the Teamsters understand that. What is it about safety and national security that George Bush doesn’t understand?”

As one indication of the program’s unpopularity, the House of Representatives voted 411-3 on May 15 to halt the program until safety and security standards were met.

The Bush administration made no formal announcement about the expected start date for the controversial program. The Bush administration lawyers, however, told the Teamsters that Mexican trucking companies would be granted permission to roll across the borders on Saturday, Sept. 1.

Reporters learned from the Teamsters that the Bush administration planned to open the borders to Mexican trucks on Labor Day weekend. When reporters tried to get a straight answer from the Department of Transportation, they couldn’t.

It is only in a footnote to legal papers filed Thursday, Aug. 30, that the Bush administration reveals its plans to open the border on Thursday, Sept. 6. The papers were filed in the 9th Circuit Court in response to the Teamsters’ motion for an injunction.

“I will continue to fight like hell to prevent Mexican trucks from endangering lives throughout the United States,” Hoffa said. “I’m confident the court will side with the Teamsters and with the American people by blocking this program before it starts next week.”

The Teamsters will also ask Congress to block the program as soon as it returns from vacation.

Founded in 1903, The International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents more than 1.4 million hardworking men and women.

Crazytree

I dunno...

one of our offices up North does a lot of truck death cases.

usually its a load shifting or a massive blowout on a big incline that causes the truck to tip over onto a car.

not sure if it matters who's driving.-

Monster_Zero

Bump

Hey HD, any thoughts? :D

harley-davidson

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Bump

Hey HD, any thoughts? :D

Yea I was at a store with truck parking about a year ago and watched 5 Mexicans get out of 1 truck, I got away from big trucks almost 5 years ago, tired of the bullshit, I still drive commercial trucks but it's local and I do a lot of other shit besides drive now...I basically changed professions, I hate the trucking industry, I could spend a week telling you why. you see those adds in your local paper for drivers at/50 g's a year, you'll spend 25 of it trying to live out there. fuck 100 hour work weeks...I decided a few years ago I need ....ME TIME

Monster_Zero

What about Ct's assumption that career drivers are cranked-out junkies that OTR for the thrill of communicable diseases and the drug induced slavery?

Aren't all American truck drivers subject to unreasonable searches in the form of "On The Spot" drug testing by most state's DOT? :confused:

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
What about Ct's assumption that career drivers are cranked-out junkies that OTH for the thrill of communicable diseases and the drug induced slavery?

Aren't all American truck drivers subject to unreasonable searches in the form of "On The Spot" drug testing by most state's DOT? :confused:

here's a big spoon for you to try and stir up some more shit, faggot. :rolleyes:

Monster_Zero

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

here's a big spoon for you to try and stir up some more shit, faggot. :rolleyes:

:)

I've barely posted in days...

You, on the other hand... :rolleyes:

Back up your shit, toughguy... :funny:

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
:)

I've barely posted in days...

You, on the other hand... :rolleyes:

Back up your shit, toughguy... :funny:

Crazy Tree thinks he is one of the anointed. A privileged member of society, if you will. He has no use for anyone who labors for a living. He's made that very clear in his posting for the last year and a half I've been here.

Very simply, he's an arrogant elitist.

Monster_Zero

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Crazy Tree thinks he is one of the anointed. A privileged member of society, if you will. He has no use for anyone who labors for a living. He's made that very clear in his posting for the last year and a half I've been here.

Very simply, he's an arrogant elitist.

Actually, he an advocate for illegal immigration. That's why he hates Ron Paul. :)

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Actually, he an advocate for illegal immigration. That's why he hates Ron Paul. :)

Maybe he's trying to get his family over here on the cheap?

Monster_Zero

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Maybe he's trying to get his family over here on the cheap?

Indeed... his vision of America, would include a North American Alliance, a ban on guns, and a limit on what fats I can fry my Challupa in... :funny:

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Indeed... his vision of America, would include a North American Alliance, a ban on guns, and a limit on what fats I can fry my Challupa in... :funny:

That sounds about right! :lol:

thoroldjames

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
maybe the Mexicans will do it without all the meth, crack and toothless hookers...

Mexicans have no trouble with drugs and toothless hookers.
that's funny stuff that is

harley-davidson

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
What about Ct's assumption that career drivers are cranked-out junkies that OTR for the thrill of communicable diseases and the drug induced slavery?

I know just like any other profession there is drug use, but for the most part drivers are just like anyone else their main objective is to put food on the table and get home alive, drug use in a truck is STUPID, if you are involved in an accident where there are injuries and you come up hot on a piss test, you are FUCKED BIG TIME, theres nothing like trying to reach your destination only to have the rain turn to freezing rain and your 60,000 lb trailer is trying to pass you and the thought going through your head is whether this is the last day on earth you will see.

Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Aren't all American truck drivers subject to unreasonable searches in the form of "On The Spot" drug testing by most state's DOT? :confused:

YES, they can rip your life and truck apart any fucking time they feel like it, going into a Government facility you can count on the whole 9 yards...dogs and all ( been there done that, I spent a lot of time on military bases, some after you get through the first check in, you then go to a second where you are given and escort and checked again to get into the secure locations, if you even have as much as a pot pipe in that truck, you will go to jail. )

Monster_Zero

Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
I know just like any other profession there is drug use, but for the most part drivers are just like anyone else their main objective is to put food on the table and get home alive, drug use in a truck is STUPID, if you are involved in an accident where there are injuries and you come up hot on a piss test, you are FUCKED BIG TIME, theres nothing like trying to reach your destination only to have the rain turn to freezing rain and your 60,000 lb trailer is trying to pass you and the thought going through your head is whether this is the last day on earth you will see.

YES, they can rip your life and truck apart any fucking time they feel like it, going into a Government facility you can count on the whole 9 yards...dogs and all ( been there done that, I spent a lot of time on military bases, some after you get through the first check in, you then go to a second where you are given and escort and checked again to get into the secure locations, if you even have as much as a pot pipe in that truck, you will go to jail. )

So, in other words; CT is is slimy, lying, piece of shit? I would say that... :D

Reverend Tyler

Hey CT...I dont understand your position...I understand that you are hispanic, and so you are a little sensitive to Mexican workers and their rights...ok...but dont you see that you are championing them to be exploited? They arent getting hired because they are more efficient, they are getting hired because they are cheaper...thats it...Basically they know they can undercut the MExican drivers and they wont bitch, because the poor bastards would take whatever they could get. And you are supporting that? I would think you might support them driving over here...but that they should get the same wages as Americans would get. Why do you support Mexicans being held down in the lower class?

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Hey CT...I dont understand your position...I understand that you are hispanic, and so you are a little sensitive to Mexican workers and their rights...ok...but dont you see that you are championing them to be exploited? They arent getting hired because they are more efficient, they are getting hired because they are cheaper...thats it...Basically they know they can undercut the MExican drivers and they wont bitch, because the poor bastards would take whatever they could get. And you are supporting that? I would think you might support them driving over here...but that they should get the same wages as Americans would get. Why do you support Mexicans being held down in the lower class?

I have worked in and around construction my entire life.

I would say that yes, factually, Mexican laborers work harder and are easier to work with than their American counterparts... including Mexican-Americans.

And in LA they get paid fair wages in construction, and work twice as hard as their American counterparts. Then you take into account they don't pay taxes and they're earning the equivalent of $13-15/hr. in my experience.

They're not going to move up in class because they lack the education and in some cases the language skills.

Their kids on the otherhand... if they can dodge the gangs and drugs... are going to have a huge leg up. Keep in mind that "home" in Mexico tends to be a violent dirty shithole.

Monster_Zero

OH SHIT!!! Now you've done it!! I said the same thing several months ago, and now I am suffering the wrath of Crazytard!

:) Don't worry...

Turns out, California's pretend lawyers ain't so good at arguing their fundamental points... ;) :rofl:

Richard Wagner

Quote: Originally posted by soulman313
His stance is probably the same as Senator Craig

Wide?

Ass Boil

What a gigantic FUCK YOU to American workers to do this on Labor day.....

This is like Bush's proposed "Clear Skies Act" that ADDED pollution to the skies...

Fucking prick.

Crazytree

nigga please.

you don't know a fucking thing about me, nor will you ever.

today I will share.

I worked harder by age 18 than you have probably worked in your entire life.

every day of my life I have been driven to better myself and work harder to achieve more in my life.

School and work made for 18-20 hour days for my entire adult life.

Now that I completed grad school, I'm getting ready to go right back in for another advanced degree.

So spare me... nobody you know in your life has worked as hard as I have and given up as much as I have.

What I have learned in all those years is that there is a huge swath of white American society that have become lazy, complacent and have delusions of entitlement.

Example: trucking. I drove a truck for a year when I was 18. It was the easiest job I ever had, and even performing at 20% I still outworked every single one of my colleagues. Why? Because I worked hard and I worked smart.

Same has gone with every job I have ever had, from dishwasher, to soldier, to construction... the hardest working and most honest workers in Southern California have been disproportionately Mexican. And these people get shit on on a daily basis by idiots like you who are threatened by their work ethic.

Is it that hard to drive a truck? Or do framing? Or work at a grocery store? It's fucking not, and people should not be paid $25 to do it... it's a huge waste. It requires no intelligence and no skill.

Honestly I hate menial labor with a passion. It's tedious and worthless work, so while all my coworkers were getting drunk and watching football, or out trying to get laid, I was studying and improving myself so I could do work that I considered to be important and that challenged me intellectually.

This is what people here in this country don't understand: you have to adapt and teach yourself new skills... or risk having your job handed over to someone who can do it just as well as you can for half the wages.

Highly skilled and technical jobs are America's future.

This is not an issue of American vs. Mexican... this is an issue of American vs. the World. If India was next door to the US instead of Mexico, it would be the Indians who would be here doing the jobs for a realistic wage... not the highly inflated and inefficient wages that Americans have gotten fat and accustomed to over the past 50 years.

I'm sorry but you don't deserve $30/hr. to rivet shit all day.

Your lesson in reality today is that in most countries, if you don't work, you and your family will live in abject squallor. Therefore people are thankful to have their jobs, unlike today's young workforce, who hate thier employers because they're not getting paid some imaginary wage that they MISTAKENLY think they are entitled to. You don't deserve $50/hr... you had people DVDs at fucking BEst Buy... something we could probably train a chimp to do.

In China, India, Korea and Singapore... people are literally KILLING THEMSELVES to get into technical schools. Here our kids are too busy jacking off and watching MTV to even consider going to college. These countries are producing workers that are highly skilled, motivated and CHEAP.... because they actually want to be better people.

This fucking country is too fucking infatuated with worthless ideas from worthless people to make any progress. The people who are creating progress in this country are the people who have worked hard and worked intelligently their entire lives. The 90% of this country who cares more about worthless subhumans like 50 Cent and Nicole Richie are dead weight and they are fucking our shit up.

We have become a country of angry, entitled, nasty, worthless and lazy wiggers.

If it were up to me I'd open up all the borders... people from abroad have value systems that we lost some time during the 1970's. They work hard and they don't expect anything to be handed to them. IE they realize that you don't deserve a $2,000 Louis Vuitton purse, CHARGED TO YOUR CREDIT CARD, just because you saw Lindsay Lohan with one on E!

This country was once the greatest country in the world... somehow along the way we got fucked up... and today's youth know more about Jay-Z and Angelina Jolie than they know about their own history.

This shit is FUCKED.

atomizer

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
nigga please.

you don't know a fucking thing about me, nor will you ever.

today I will share.

I worked harder by age 18 than you have probably worked in your entire life.

every day of my life I have been driven to better myself and work harder to achieve more in my life.

School and work made for 18-20 hour days for my entire adult life.

Now that I completed grad school, I'm getting ready to go right back in for another advanced degree.

So spare me... nobody you know in your life has worked as hard as I have and given up as much as I have.

What I have learned in all those years is that there is a huge swath of white American society that have become lazy, complacent and have delusions of entitlement.

Example: trucking. I drove a truck for a year when I was 18. It was the easiest job I ever had, and even performing at 20% I still outworked every single one of my colleagues. Why? Because I worked hard and I worked smart.

Same has gone with every job I have ever had, from dishwasher, to soldier, to construction... the hardest working and most honest workers in Southern California have been disproportionately Mexican. And these people get shit on on a daily basis by idiots like you who are threatened by their work ethic.

Is it that hard to drive a truck? Or do framing? Or work at a grocery store? It's fucking not, and people should not be paid $25 to do it... it's a huge waste. It requires no intelligence and no skill.

Honestly I hate menial labor with a passion. It's tedious and worthless work, so while all my coworkers were getting drunk and watching football, or out trying to get laid, I was studying and improving myself so I could do work that I considered to be important and that challenged me intellectually.

This is what people here in this country don't understand: you have to adapt and teach yourself new skills... or risk having your job handed over to someone who can do it just as well as you can for half the wages.

Highly skilled and technical jobs are America's future.

This is not an issue of American vs. Mexican... this is an issue of American vs. the World. If India was next door to the US instead of Mexico, it would be the Indians who would be here doing the jobs for a realistic wage... not the highly inflated and inefficient wages that Americans have gotten fat and accustomed to over the past 50 years.

I'm sorry but you don't deserve $30/hr. to rivet shit all day.

Your lesson in reality today is that in most countries, if you don't work, you and your family will live in abject squallor. Therefore people are thankful to have their jobs, unlike today's young workforce, who hate thier employers because they're not getting paid some imaginary wage that they MISTAKENLY think they are entitled to. You don't deserve $50/hr... you had people DVDs at fucking BEst Buy... something we could probably train a chimp to do.

In China, India, Korea and Singapore... people are literally KILLING THEMSELVES to get into technical schools. Here our kids are too busy jacking off and watching MTV to even consider going to college. These countries are producing workers that are highly skilled, motivated and CHEAP.... because they actually want to be better people.

This fucking country is too fucking infatuated with worthless ideas from worthless people to make any progress. The people who are creating progress in this country are the people who have worked hard and worked intelligently their entire lives. The 90% of this country who cares more about worthless subhumans like 50 Cent and Nicole Richie are dead weight and they are fucking our shit up.

We have become a country of angry, entitled, nasty, worthless and lazy wiggers.

If it were up to me I'd open up all the borders... people from abroad have value systems that we lost some time during the 1970's. They work hard and they don't expect anything to be handed to them. IE they realize that you don't deserve a $2,000 Louis Vuitton purse, CHARGED TO YOUR CREDIT CARD, just because you saw Lindsay Lohan with one on E!

This country was once the greatest country in the world... somehow along the way we got fucked up... and today's youth know more about Jay-Z and Angelina Jolie than they know about their own history.

This shit is FUCKED.

Awesome. :rock:

Max-the-Silent

The Hindu's, Paki's, Sikhs, and other assorted owner/operators that aren't even in the Union don't work cheap enough?

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
The Hindu's, Paki's, Sikhs, and other assorted owner/operators that aren't even in the Union don't work cheap enough?

sure they do...

but there's a bit of a shortage of them...

being that much of India can barely afford to take a bus to New Dehli on a truck full of goats, much less airfare to the old US of A.

Indians and "Pakis" are hard workers. In Hong Kong, Singapore, the Bahamas, Fiji, East Africa... the British took them along because they were hard workers and dependable. Very hard working people... now they're in almost all of the Middle Eastern countries working too... babysitting in Saudi Arabia [NEWS REFERENCE LOLE] or getting decapitated along with Filipinos in Iraq.

PS don't ever call someone from the Indian subcontinent a "Paki"... because they're liable to try and take a swing at you.

thoroldjames

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

PS don't ever call someone from the Indian subcontinent a "Paki"... because they're liable to try and take a swing at you.

they call the corner stores in Glasgow(and I`ll assume most of Scotland)
``The Pakis`` if owned by an Indian,Pakistani etc

Chinese takeouts are called Chinkies

harley-davidson

DAM

atomizer

Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
they call the corner stores in Glasgow(and I`ll assume most of Scotland)
``The Pakis`` if owned by an Indian,Pakistani etc

Chinese takeouts are called Chinkies

And bigots anywhere are called "bigots"! Even in ol' Glasgae, jock. Right?

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
nigga please.

you don't know a fucking thing about me, nor will you ever.

today I will share.

First of all, let me say a big Fuck YOU! And a big Thank You for finally opening open your and sharing your diseased mind. This is the manifesto of a elitist, narcissistic, bitter, disillusioned asshole who doesn't know or understand the meaning of America!

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

I worked harder by age 18 than you have probably worked in your entire life.

every day of my life I have been driven to better myself and work harder to achieve more in my life.

School and work made for 18-20 hour days for my entire adult life.

Now that I completed grad school, I'm getting ready to go right back in for another advanced degree.

So spare me... nobody you know in your life has worked as hard as I have and given up as much as I have.

Cry me a fucking river, than go wash your stinking cunt. You little fucking pussy, I'll tell you your problem right now, you think the world needs to bend over and kiss your fucking ass. For what reason, I don't know. You think you're the only swinging dick who works hard! My God! Where the fuck do you come off, you think you are God's fucking gift to society but are bitter as fuck because society has yet to recognize you.

I started working full time during the summers after 9th grade and part time during my remaining school years. When I first got married I worked two fucking jobs for eight years, each one a demanding mother-fucking job at that and I never complained about it or wrote a fucking manifesto about how great I was for doing it. I did it because it needed to be done. You fucking sicken me to no end. Fucking cry-baby, pussy-ass bitch!

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

What I have learned in all those years is that there is a huge swath of white American society that have become lazy, complacent and have delusions of entitlement.

Yeah, OK, you're old and wise and can see into the hearts of wide swaths of white people...

You're an asshole with a persecution complex. You feel inferior to whites. You feel you're better than white people, you don't like white people. Guess what that makes YOU? :)

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

Example: trucking. I drove a truck for a year when I was 18. It was the easiest job I ever had, and even performing at 20% I still outworked every single one of my colleagues. Why? Because I worked hard and I worked smart.

Illusions of grandeur... You're sicker than I thought. You performing at 20 percent is just that; Someone performing at 20 percent. Why? Because although you think you're a superman and better than everyone else that walks the earth, it's not true. It's all in that warped head of yours. You perform at 20 percent and everybody around you will pass you by. Fucking idiot...

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

Same has gone with every job I have ever had, from dishwasher, to soldier, to construction... the hardest working and most honest workers in Southern California have been disproportionately Mexican. And these people get shit on on a daily basis by idiots like you who are threatened by their work ethic.

Again baby, your racist nature rears it's head and again I have to say Fuck You asshole! My wife happens to be from South America and my last name happens to end with a vowel. We ended up with beautiful children, just don't ask me to explain their heritage because it takes too long. Yet you, the man you can see into the hearts of wide swathes of white people, have no fucking problem accusing me of shitting on Mexicans. I don't have a racist bone in my body and the only man that I feel threatened by is myself because through the years I've learned, It's only yourself that can raise you up and put you down. I'm not one bit like you, looking around at the rest of the world and wondering what they think of me and why they are not giving me things. I make my way through the world doing the best I can for others and put my faith in other people and hope they do the same.

You are truly a repulsive scumbag and were I ever to come face to face with you, I'd enjoy spitting in your fucking face.

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

Is it that hard to drive a truck? Or do framing? Or work at a grocery store? It's fucking not, and people should not be paid $25 to do it... it's a huge waste. It requires no intelligence and no skill.

Honestly I hate menial labor with a passion. It's tedious and worthless work, so while all my coworkers were getting drunk and watching football, or out trying to get laid, I was studying and improving myself so I could do work that I considered to be important and that challenged me intellectually.

Here's where you truly expose your disdain and contempt for working people asswipe. What's the matter CT, did the bad people pick on you on the jobsite...

What makes you the great decider about who should earn what? Your over-inflated ego is at work here. You want to better yourself, fine, go do it but don't condemn people for wanting to live their life in the way they see fit. Those same guys watching ball games, drinking beer and chasing tail and probably for more contented and sound than you, you carries around a burden of hate for all that is around him.

And yeah... it takes no skill to frame houses. Maybe for you, cause all you had to do was stack the lumber where you were told and get the real carpenters coffee.

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

This is what people here in this country don't understand: you have to adapt and teach yourself new skills... or risk having your job handed over to someone who can do it just as well as you can for half the wages.

Highly skilled and technical jobs are America's future.

Oh my, aren't we blessed to have the great crazy tree tell us all what we should be doing and what we don't understand. I think you have my country confused with someplace else or you've been duped by the treasonous assholes who have sold this country and peddled that skilled job and high-tech job bullshit. I have traveled the US extensively and have worked in just about area of the country, with all different kinds of people and in most places in America, there no fucking high-tech jobs to replace the industrial jobs that went over-seas. This country was built up during the industrial revolution and you can't just pull the rug out from an Industrial based area and expect high-tech jobs to come swooping in. It's a myth and I see you slurped up every bit of it. Good boy...

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

This is not an issue of American vs. Mexican... this is an issue of American vs. the World. If India was next door to the US instead of Mexico, it would be the Indians who would be here doing the jobs for a realistic wage... not the highly inflated and inefficient wages that Americans have gotten fat and accustomed to over the past 50 years.

I'm sorry but you don't deserve $30/hr. to rivet shit all day.

Hey asshole, no one has anything against Mexicans. Calm the fuck down...

Again dickwad, for you to proclaim that America has been fat and accustomed inflated wages for the past years is either a sign of a mental defect or you're just plain stupid. Real wages have been going down the past few years and the assault on the middle-class started 25 years ago. I don't know what fucking planet you came from but I wish you would return.

Oh yeah, thanks for telling us what working men and women should make again...

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

Your lesson in reality today is that in most countries, if you don't work, you and your family will live in abject squallor. Therefore people are thankful to have their jobs, unlike today's young workforce, who hate thier employers because they're not getting paid some imaginary wage that they MISTAKENLY think they are entitled to. You don't deserve $50/hr... you had people DVDs at fucking BEst Buy... something we could probably train a chimp to do.

In China, India, Korea and Singapore... people are literally KILLING THEMSELVES to get into technical schools. Here our kids are too busy jacking off and watching MTV to even consider going to college. These countries are producing workers that are highly skilled, motivated and CHEAP.... because they actually want to be better people.

This fucking country is too fucking infatuated with worthless ideas from worthless people to make any progress. The people who are creating progress in this country are the people who have worked hard and worked intelligently their entire lives. The 90% of this country who cares more about worthless subhumans like 50 Cent and Nicole Richie are dead weight and they are fucking our shit up.

We have become a country of angry, entitled, nasty, worthless and lazy wiggers.

You know what, you need to move to a better neighborhood and go see a doctor.

You see CT, this is America and the middle class was created because the American worker demanded a living wage and through the blood, sweat and tears of a movement, he got it. You directly benefit from working men and women who fought that battle to this day and yet you so easily dishonor and spit upon working people during this tortured diatribe of yours. Is there anything you don't hate asshole? Your last thought there also seems to be a self-fulling phophesy... Your certainly are angry, entitled, nasty and worthless

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

If it were up to me I'd open up all the borders... people from abroad have value systems that we lost some time during the 1970's. They work hard and they don't expect anything to be handed to them. IE they realize that you don't deserve a $2,000 Louis Vuitton purse, CHARGED TO YOUR CREDIT CARD, just because you saw Lindsay Lohan with one on E!

This country was once the greatest country in the world... somehow along the way we got fucked up... and today's youth know more about Jay-Z and Angelina Jolie than they know about their own history.

This shit is FUCKED.

Ya know what. Good thing you're not in charge of any-fucking -thing.

Go fuck yourself asshole!

harley-davidson

I liked the part where he spent a whole year driving a 6 wheeler around California and that makes him an expert in the industry, I'd like to take him back in the blue ridge mountains in fucking January when it's snowing to pull a load out, he won't be on here bragging how EASY trucking is, I guarantee you that.....LOL ( this trip does not include MAIN roads...LOL ) and 20% won't get you out either.... :D

NC-Stern-Mark

And another fucking thing, over the last dozen or more years, I've done many, many jobs in Texas and have probably worked with more Mexicans than asswipe CT ever has. Yes, they are good workers and I enjoy working with them because unlike the malcontent CT, most Mexican people seem very light of heart and spirit and like to have a good time fucking around and joking around on the job.

They are good people to work with but they ain't fucking supermen. I do the same jobs in Texas as I do in Michigan and they both get done in the same way, in the same time. Men are men. No difference.

The times I have seen Mexican workers working very hard is when they have some fucking asshole standing over them, sweating and riding their ass. I've seen Mexican workers abused by these fucking overlords that run the crew. That is not the way America works but that is exactly what CT would love for our country to become.

I guess that way he can feel even more superior to his fellow man.

mingmen

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Men are men. No difference.

The times I have seen Mexican workers working very hard is when they have some fucking asshole standing over them, sweating and riding their ass.

Careful, you a likely to get nunpuncher all "hot and bothered".

harley-davidson

People like CT should just quit eating, just think of all the worthless menial work that goes into producing it.

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
People like CT should just quit eating, just think of all the worthless menial work that goes into producing it.

God damn, I would hate to go through life with an attitude like that.

No Respect For Your Fellow Man!

"I'm the best horseshit," asshole!

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
First of all, let me say a big Fuck YOU! And a big Thank You for finally opening open your and sharing your diseased mind. This is the manifesto of a elitist, narcissistic, bitter, disillusioned asshole who doesn't know or understand the meaning of America!

blah, blah, blah.

this is as far as I got before losing interest.

you could give GayTony some lessons on being a drama queen with your worthless, verge-of-tears, bullshit. I'm surprised you could even continue typing with ease on your tear-soaked keyboard.

my retort: you should have studied harder in school, faggot. :rolleyes:

Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
I liked the part where he spent a whole year driving a 6 wheeler around California and that makes him an expert in the industry, I'd like to take him back in the blue ridge mountains in fucking January when it's snowing to pull a load out, he won't be on here bragging how EASY trucking is, I guarantee you that.....LOL ( this trip does not include MAIN roads...LOL ) and 20% won't get you out either.... :D

I've been to third-world countries where they have road conditions you couldn't imagine. IE places where paved roads don't exist yet they manage to haul loads hundreds of miles.

and guess what... those drivers weren't splitting any atoms. peasants in Uzbekistan somehow figure out to get their yak carts out of the mud without utilizing too much brainpower.

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
blah, blah, blah.

this is as far as I got before losing interest.

Ummm, fuck you...

And the donkey you rode in on.

At least you showed your true, nasty, bitter, elitist nature to everyone.

NC-Stern-Mark

And please go back to that third world country.

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Ummm, fuck you...

And the donkey you rode in on.

At least you showed your true, nasty, bitter, elitist nature to everyone.

careful, you sound like you're about to have a coronary...

wow you called me an elitist on the internet... I'm so humiliated I can never return... Holy Elvis style... :rolleyes:

mingmen

it's a cruel summer :jj:

nunpuncher

wow if you were a republican
right now the sfn jihadist would be making cartoons of you
and imagine the dogpile you would get from everyone else

on a second thought it must be tough for you to share this country with us mortals

Crazytree

Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
it's a cruel summer :jj:

:lol:

Abba

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree

That chick has a nice ass.

Abba

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
And please go back to that third world country.

Put all the emotion and knee-jerk reaction aside, and I must say that CT does make some valid points, although his manner of speaking was definately laced with elitism and a bit of reverse racism.

Nonetheless, it's an undeniable truth that we have some serious labor issues here in the States. Unions, which have served us so well in the last century, account for only 8% of the workforce, a severe drop from what they once were.

NC-STERN-MARK, thanks for that piece from Krugman. It was a nice refresher of how things really are.

It is true that we have an absolute problem with the amount of GOOD skilled labor we produce, and it's also true that our primary and secondary educational systems have produced mediocre students. Getting that fixed should be priority #1.
Secondly, our government NEEDS to put a real stop to trade imbalances. If China HAD to mirror trade and labor practices or lose their #1 trade partner, you would see the cost of products rise a bit, while the cost of exported US goods to China actually come down a bit.
It would also make CEO's rethink their carpet bomb policy of overseas manufacturing.

In addition, people need to have the incentives of making goods overseas and shipping them here removed. If you move to a mailbox in the Cayman's, but do most of your REAL work here, you pay the full taxes here, and fuck your mailbox.

The problem is that Americans were never given the opportunity by their government to adapt to a technical world. It used to be that you could graduate from 4 years of college and make a decent salary, but now even that is in question.

One last thing I can't understand, and I'd actually appreciate some input please.
It's common knowledge that it's mostly central and south americans that pick produce. Why isn't there a program that takes young kids between high school and college and marries them up with producers of lettuce, etc, instead of relying on mexicans to do that menial work?

harley-davidson

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
I've been to third-world countries where they have road conditions you couldn't imagine. IE places where paved roads don't exist yet they manage to haul loads hundreds of miles.

and guess what... those drivers weren't splitting any atoms. peasants in Uzbekistan somehow figure out to get their yak carts out of the mud without utilizing too much brainpower. [/B]

If you read my post carefully, it had nothing to do with other people,other places or places you've been, it had everything to do with someone that spent maybe a year driving a beach ball mobile that now claims to be an expert in all forms of the trucking industry being in adverse weather conditions in the middle of nowhere showing the world how it's done, I wonder if changing a flat tire makes you a car mechanic also ?
Like I said ,if the worthless menial work and the people that perform it bother you to a point that you have these opinions, why do you stuff your face with the fruits of their labor ? quit eating.

soulman313

Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
Yea I was at a store with truck parking about a year ago and watched 5 Mexicans get out of 1 truck, I got away from big trucks almost 5 years ago, tired of the bullshit, I still drive commercial trucks but it's local and I do a lot of other shit besides drive now...I basically changed professions, I hate the trucking industry, I could spend a week telling you why. you see those adds in your local paper for drivers at/50 g's a year, you'll spend 25 of it trying to live out there. fuck 100 hour work weeks...I decided a few years ago I need ....ME TIME

HD who do/did you drive for, or are you an owner operator?

soulman313

been there done that, sooooo glad im local, still hauling doubles and triples so it is still a pain in the azz. :ps:

harley-davidson

Quote: Originally posted by soulman313
HD who do/did you drive for, or are you an owner operator?

I started out years running dry goods to food warehouses, hurry up and wait shit, then I started running coal bucket in a 5 state area, that got slow in the winter so I decided to go run for a farmers co-op called ( at the time ) Round hill foods, I was there for 12 years running 4 states,I pulled some frozen loads but more live and wood shaving loads out of west Virginia, over the coarse of the 12 years I suffered through 3 buy outs of the companies losing our asses each time.
I got out of that and went to hauling fuel products locally, I had it made, was making great money, benefits the whole fucking deal, then they sold out and it all went into the shit house, long story short I went to hauling freight ( lots of Government shit ). the money was good the health insurance sucked and was costing me a fortune. today I work in the propane industry, I do drive and haul product, but I also do other work with the systems, for the first time in a lot of years I'm mostly on a set schedule. the haz-mat shit is a total pain in the ass, D O T ,Homeland security, finger prints, piss tests ...bla bla bla bla, 2 weeks ago I had to crawl through a couple of thousand pages of information and testing....seems like thats all I get done doing anymore

I could write a book on the bullshit in the trucking industry.

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
I started out years running dry goods to food warehouses, hurry up and wait shit, then I started running coal bucket in a 5 state area, that got slow in the winter so I decided to go run for a farmers co-op called ( at the time ) Round hill foods, I was there for 12 years running 4 states,I pulled some frozen loads but more live and wood shaving loads out of west Virginia, over the coarse of the 12 years I suffered through 3 buy outs of the companies losing our asses each time.
I got out of that and went to hauling fuel products locally, I had it made, was making great money, benefits the whole fucking deal, then they sold out and it all went into the shit house, long story short I went to hauling freight ( lots of Government shit ). the money was good the health insurance sucked and was costing me a fortune. today I work in the propane industry, I do drive and haul product, but I also do other work with the systems, for the first time in a lot of years I'm mostly on a set schedule. the haz-mat shit is a total pain in the ass, D O T ,Homeland security, finger prints, piss tests ...bla bla bla bla, 2 weeks ago I had to crawl through a couple of thousand pages of information and testing....seems like thats all I get done doing anymore

I could write a book on the bullshit in the trucking industry.

My God, how do find time for the meth, crack and toothless hookers?

Our resident genius lawyer tells us that's how truck drivers spend their time.

Crazy Tree = :shit:

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
careful, you sound like you're about to have a coronary...

wow you called me an elitist on the internet... I'm so humiliated I can never return... Holy Elvis style... :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol:

Hey asshole, an elitist is the nicest thing I called you. You are also a hateful, narcissistic sociopath. It's as plain as day for anyone who reads that tortured manifesto you wrote.

harley-davidson

True story
A few years ago we had a guy making a delivery into fort mead ( military base, I've been there many times ), he had Scott's weed and feed going to Lowe's in front of the Military stuff, when they went over his truck with the dogs,they were trained to score a hit on fertilizer, that driver went to jail and it took over 24 hours to get him out over weed and feed .

soulman313

LOL, yeah I did the Haz-Mat thing last year. 16 years here,freight for about 9, heavy machinery for a couple and last but not least doubles and triples for about five.Cant write a book yet but I guess if I do Ill call it "Tales of a Cranked out Lizard chasing white trash overpaid underacheiver" Be safe brother. :)

harley-davidson

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
My God, how do find time for the meth

I never did meth nor do I want to, I like beer, at one time in my youth I was a pot head, that was 22 years ago, I have no interest in drugs what so ever.

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
crack and toothless hookers?

I have been with the same woman for 21 years, don't like whores, never cheated on her, crack is a losers game.

Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Our resident genius lawyer tells us that's how truck drivers spend their time.

Not this one

Crazy Tree = :shit: [/B][/QUOTE]

NC-Stern-Mark

Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Put all the emotion and knee-jerk reaction aside, and I must say that CT does make some valid points, although his manner of speaking was definately laced with elitism and a bit of reverse racism.

That's sugar-coating his actual feelings but I think you know that. Out of that long, tortured, racist, elitist, narcissistic diatribe, what "valid" points did he make? I may have missed them.

Quote: Originally posted by Abba

Nonetheless, it's an undeniable truth that we have some serious labor issues here in the States. Unions, which have served us so well in the last century, account for only 8% of the workforce, a severe drop from what they once were.

NC-STERN-MARK, thanks for that piece from Krugman. It was a nice refresher of how things really are.

Krugman wrote a good piece, it should required reading. Busting the unions was number one on the globalists list. Getting selfish, "I only care about me" asswipes like Crazy Tree to applaud, was their wet dream.

Quote: Originally posted by Abba

It is true that we have an absolute problem with the amount of GOOD skilled labor we produce, and it's also true that our primary and secondary educational systems have produced mediocre students. Getting that fixed should be priority #1.
Secondly, our government NEEDS to put a real stop to trade imbalances. If China HAD to mirror trade and labor practices or lose their #1 trade partner, you would see the cost of products rise a bit, while the cost of exported US goods to China actually come down a bit.
It would also make CEO's rethink their carpet bomb policy of overseas manufacturing.

Well, here is where I differ a bit. When this country had more industry and manufacturing, there was more jobs paths open to people who weren't going to college and the labor movement provided them with a decent living wage. Hence the explosion of the middle-class in this country. Now with the world ever smaller because of the transportation infrastructure we have in place, corporations have figur