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| Max-the-Silent |
This about sums it up - Mexican interests don't end at it's borders, and the United states can't enforce the law within it's borders.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...&sn=001&sc=1000
(09-02) 16:18 PDT MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) --
President Felipe Calderon blasted U.S. immigration policies on Sunday and promised to fight harder to protect the rights of Mexicans in the U.S., saying "Mexico does not end at its borders."
The criticism earned Calderon a standing ovation during his first state-of-the nation address.
"We strongly protest the unilateral measures taken by the U.S. Congress and government that have only persecuted and exacerbated the mistreatment of Mexican undocumented workers," he said. "The insensitivity toward those who support the U.S. economy and society has only served as an impetus to reinforce the battle ... for their rights."
He also reached out to the millions of Mexicans living in the United States, many illegally, saying: "Where there is a Mexican, there is Mexico."
Since taking office in December, Calderon has maintained strong ties with the United States, but he has often denounced U.S. immigration policy, including more deportations that have divided many families, sometimes forcing U.S.-born children to build new lives in Mexico.
In one of the most high-profile cases, illegal immigrant Elvira Arellano was deported recently to Mexico after spending a year in a Chicago church to avoid being sent home. Her 8-year-old son Saul, who is a U.S. citizen, flew to Mexico on Friday to be reunited with his mother and said he plans to stay indefinitely, helping her fight to return to the United States.
Calderon addressed the nation Sunday from the National Palace, avoiding a showdown with leftist opposition lawmakers who had vowed to prevent him from making the speech in Congress, as Mexican tradition dictates.
Mexico's Federal Electoral Tribunal declared Calderon the winner of the July 2006 race nearly a year ago, rejecting leftist candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador claims that Calderon's narrow victory was fraudulent.
Calderon's predecessor, Vicente Fox, was also blocked last year from making his state-of-the-nation address in Congress after leftist lawmakers stormed the stage and refused to give him passage. The lawmakers claimed Fox unfairly aided Calderon's win, which Fox denied. Both are members of the conservative National Action Party.
Lopez Obrador refused to recognize Calderon's eventual victory and declared himself leader of a parallel government. But he has largely disappeared from the public eye amid sharp divisions within his leftist Democratic Revolutionary Party.
Calderon, meanwhile, has garnered some of the highest approval ratings in Mexico's history.
He said Sunday that Mexico has created 618,000 new jobs since January and needs to do more to close the giant gap between the rich and the poor. He also promised not to let up in his nationwide crackdown on drug gangs who control large swaths of Mexican territory.
"We can close our eyes to the reality, and because we are afraid or irresponsible, let organized crime take over our streets," he said. "Or we can decide to fight and defeat crime with all the risks and costs that implies."
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| Ass Boil |
| Don't worry. Know that we have opened up our roads to Mexican trucking, our manufacturers will be moving even more operations to Mexico, giving them plenty of jobs :rolleyes: |
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| Crazytree |
max, you live in a city with a Mexican name and in a state with a Mexican name...
I guess the symbolism of the remark escapes you.
for another example of a "country that exists beyond its borders", look at Armenia, or Israel... both diasporic countries. |
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| BarkonCue |
This sucks for me. this issue is so fucked up i still haven't been able to form my own opinion what i think should be done.
What's the best way to handle the problem ? :mad: |
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| thoroldjames |
| What Country doesn't exist beyond it's Borders? |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
max, you live in a city with a Mexican name and in a state with a Mexican name...
I guess the symbolism of the remark escapes you.
for another example of a "country that exists beyond its borders", look at Armenia, or Israel... both diasporic countries. |
When Mexico seeks to restrict the United States of America from enforcing U.S. law within the borders of the U.S. it's not symbolism.
U.S citizens that commit crimes in Mexico have no such protection from the Mexican legal system, as Mexico asserts for her own citizens in the U.S., and Mexico itself has very strict rules wrt aliens, illegal and otherwise.
Let the Mexican government run their business, we'll run ours. |
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| Stickman |
| Max, what makes you think that it's Mexico which is restricting the enforcement of US law? You don't see this as attempt to inextricably integrate Mexico's economy with the US, within the guidelines of current administration policy? |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
When Mexico seeks to restrict the United States of America from enforcing U.S. law within the borders of the U.S. it's not symbolism.
U.S citizens that commit crimes in Mexico have no such protection from the Mexican legal system, as Mexico asserts for her own citizens in the U.S., and Mexico itself has very strict rules wrt aliens, illegal and otherwise.
Let the Mexican government run their business, we'll run ours. |
To an extent I agree with you. I will say this. A mexican in the US, even an undocumented one, is afforded far more legal protection and physical safety than any American held int he Mexican criminal justice system.
Honestly, it's none of Mexico's business what the US' immigration policy is. Until Mexico begins to enforce their Northern Border from illegal immigrants from THROUGHOUT South America, they can take their opinion and shove it. I mean seriously, what the fuck gives them the right to complain about us stopping Mexican nationals from breaking our laws??
It's this kind of shit that infuriates me and a whole slew of other people. I'm not racist, and it's not in any way racist to be unhappy with this type of rhetoric. Mexico should be licking our asses every fuckin day for not cracking down on their #1 source of income, ie; Illegals in America sending shitloads of money back there.
When Mexico decides to afford American Citizens the same protections and legal rights that the US gives illegal Mexicans in the country, maybe then the pissant little at best 2nd world and mostly 3rd world hovel Mexico can have a say in anything.
Fuck Mexico, I'm sick of them. If they love Mexico so fuckin much, get the fuck out of my country, that I LOVE, and go back to your shitholes and leave us alone. I don't mind paying an extra dollar for a head of lettuce if that means I don't have to listen to some shithead puppet president from mexico getting high and mighty on me because his Nations main source of income is illegal aliens in America. While I'm at it, fuck Israel too.
Enough with these entangling foreign alliances.
I hope that police around the country start doing something useful and pull those Mexican deathtraps over every chance they can when they start roaming our Nation's highways.
:fuckyou: Mexico |
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| VacateTheWord |
| That sound you heard early this morning was Lou Dobbs' head exploding when he was reading this over breakfast. |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
When Mexico seeks to restrict the United States of America from enforcing U.S. law within the borders of the U.S. it's not symbolism. |
Since when does any foreign country have legislative authority inside the US?
Really this is just rhetoric. You want to see a country that really interferes with our legislative agenda, look at the AIPAC.
So essentially what you're upset about is a foreign gov't criticizing a US police that EVERYONE ADMITS IS 100% BROKEN and then falsely suggesting that this evil, magical influence is somehow going to mind control our legislators into doing the bidding of the evil Mexican President.
And especially ironic considering the fact that the U.S. meddles more in Mexico's domestic affairs to the point that the US has de-facto veto authority over any piece of Mexican legislation.
Many people in Mexico can still remember the years when the US repeatedly invaded Mexico in order to influence its internal political struggles. And you're concerned about some Mexican politician's comments on CNN?
Talk about artificial outrage. |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Mexico should be licking our asses every fuckin day for not cracking down on their #1 source of income, ie; Illegals in America sending shitloads of money back there. |
don't be a fucking moron. just goes to prove that your Minuteman mentality has no basis in reality... and this is especially ironic SINCE YOU PERSONALLY HAVE PAID MONIES TO ILLEGALS WHO SENT YOUR MONEY BACK TO MEXICO. hypocritical fuck. :rolleyes:
I guess you idiots missed the story last week that G8 wants to include Mexico and several other developing states because they are becoming the richest in the world.
And the story about how the richest man in the world is now Carlos Slim.
now it's time to go to school...
$10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.
Mexico's annual Gross Domestic Product for 2006 is $1.149 trillion, according to the CIA World Factbook... making Mexico the 14th largest economy in the world according to the IMF.
that's 0.87% of the annual GDP.
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| booybob |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
To an extent I agree with you. I will say this. A mexican in the US, even an undocumented one, is afforded far more legal protection and physical safety than any American held int he Mexican criminal justice system.
Honestly, it's none of Mexico's business what the US' immigration policy is. Until Mexico begins to enforce their Northern Border from illegal immigrants from THROUGHOUT South America, they can take their opinion and shove it. I mean seriously, what the fuck gives them the right to complain about us stopping Mexican nationals from breaking our laws??
It's this kind of shit that infuriates me and a whole slew of other people. I'm not racist, and it's not in any way racist to be unhappy with this type of rhetoric. Mexico should be licking our asses every fuckin day for not cracking down on their #1 source of income, ie; Illegals in America sending shitloads of money back there.
When Mexico decides to afford American Citizens the same protections and legal rights that the US gives illegal Mexicans in the country, maybe then the pissant little at best 2nd world and mostly 3rd world hovel Mexico can have a say in anything.
Fuck Mexico, I'm sick of them. If they love Mexico so fuckin much, get the fuck out of my country, that I LOVE, and go back to your shitholes and leave us alone. I don't mind paying an extra dollar for a head of lettuce if that means I don't have to listen to some shithead puppet president from mexico getting high and mighty on me because his Nations main source of income is illegal aliens in America. While I'm at it, fuck Israel too.
Enough with these entangling foreign alliances.
I hope that police around the country start doing something useful and pull those Mexican deathtraps over every chance they can when they start roaming our Nation's highways.
:fuckyou: Mexico |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
don't be a fucking moron. just goes to prove that your Minuteman mentality has no basis in reality... and this is especially ironic SINCE YOU PERSONALLY HAVE PAID MONIES TO ILLEGALS WHO SENT YOUR MONEY BACK TO MEXICO. hypocritical fuck. :rolleyes:
I guess you idiots missed the story last week that G8 wants to include Mexico and several other developing states because they are becoming the richest in the world.
And the story about how the richest man in the world is now Carlos Slim.
now it's time to go to school...
$10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.
Mexico's annual Gross Domestic Product for 2006 is $1.149 trillion, according to the CIA World Factbook... making Mexico the 14th largest economy in the world according to the IMF.
that's 0.87% of the annual GDP.
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Sorry buster, but wrong on a bunch of counts, but since you think you have armament against me somehow, let me address that first.
It's no sercret that I've picked up a Mexican at 7-11 a couple of times and gave him some work. It's actually not a bad thing. The guy was a hard worker, no doubt, and had great initiative, and was an excellent mechanic. That being said, it was over 7 years ago at this point, and it's not like I need the guy to keep my business afloat.
A friend of mine had used him before, actually had his cell number, and highly recommended his work. End of story.
Now lets look at Mexico's #2 source of foreign income, after exports of crude, which happen to be remittances from migrant workers living abroad, according to the World Bank. In 2005, they compromised $18 billion dollars.
Carlos Slim is a brilliant businessman, but he generates his cash through mostly dealing WITHIN Mexico, and with expanded operations through South America. Good for him, he has overtaken Buffet and Gates, and his philanthropic work is commendable and should serve as a model for other captains of industry.
That being said, the President of Mexico has no fuckin business dictating terms to the US on the non-stop flow of HIS citizens breaking American laws, and then complaining about when Americans are upset by that. Mind you, the Laws as they currently exist aren't broken, they are simply NOT ENFORCED. Blame that on the politicians. For most Americans, the existing laws are fine.
Why do you ahve such a huge problem with enforcing the Southern Border? Do you feel pulled between 2 different loyalties, one ethnic and one Nationalistic? Word of advice, let the Nationalistic one win out. Any area which is comprised of a majority Mexican ethnicity is a neighborhood you'd NEVER want to live in, no matter how much you state otherwise. Why would you wish that on anyone else? Moreso, why would you wish that to happen in your country??
You can sling ad hominem attacks against me all day long, but that fact of the matter is that you didn't rebutt ANY of my points, and you only opened up your arguments to assault by the facts of the case, which in this case favor me. It's a shame too, because you're actually pretty well informed on this topic and your insight could be a great contribution to this discussion, but when an ethnicity which YOU relate to is attacked, you rise to defend it. I can understand that.
The difference, however, is when Stonewall starts posting sme ridiculous Islamic Bashing nonsense, it's based in unnatural abject fear. My opinion comes from facts and logical conclusions of the end result of our current situation.
I completely agree with you on AIPAC. Any American who complains about Mexicans' influence in the US should be outraged at the level of grovelling towards AIPAC by every single politician in the US. See? If you calm the fuck down a little bit, you'd see that we can agree on something.
George Washington's Farewell Address
17 September, 1796
"Beware of Foreign Entanblements"
http://www.100megspop3.com/bark/Beware.html |
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| Abba |
Sorry I forgot to expound upon my "number 1 source of income" comment.
Yes, Oil revenue is the number 1 source of income for the economy as a whole, and big business and the State surely benefit from that income tremendously, of that there is no doubt.
However, for many families who do not directly benefit from the oil income, remittances by their migrant family members in el Norte is THE main source of income, and I assure you, those families aren't few and far between.
In addition, why can't Americans or other foreigners buy land and own businesses in Mexico? Mexicans sure own alot of land here.... |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
Since when does any foreign country have legislative authority inside the US?
Really this is just rhetoric. You want to see a country that really interferes with our legislative agenda, look at the AIPAC.
So essentially what you're upset about is a foreign gov't criticizing a US police that EVERYONE ADMITS IS 100% BROKEN and then falsely suggesting that this evil, magical influence is somehow going to mind control our legislators into doing the bidding of the evil Mexican President.
And especially ironic considering the fact that the U.S. meddles more in Mexico's domestic affairs to the point that the US has de-facto veto authority over any piece of Mexican legislation.
Many people in Mexico can still remember the years when the US repeatedly invaded Mexico in order to influence its internal political struggles. And you're concerned about some Mexican politician's comments on CNN?
Talk about artificial outrage. |
Who said anything about legislative authority?
The IA advocates agitate through their mouthpieces, the media turns a blind eye (mainly) to the truth, and instead of "Return to Sender” nabbing guys with four felony warrants; we get the stories about the poor harmless campesenio being sent back to his homeland.
Ask me about all the IA's out of San Francisco with felony "no release" warrants being released because the San Francisco SO has "no room" for them at the county facility, at the same exact time they're booking in misdemeanor citizen arrestees. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Sorry I forgot to expound upon my "number 1 source of income" comment.
Yes, Oil revenue is the number 1 source of income for the economy as a whole, and big business and the State surely benefit from that income tremendously, of that there is no doubt.
However, for many families who do not directly benefit from the oil income, remittances by their migrant family members in el Norte is THE main source of income, and I assure you, those families aren't few and far between.
In addition, why can't Americans or other foreigners buy land and own businesses in Mexico? Mexicans sure own alot of land here.... |
Crazytree advocates open borders.
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
If it were up to me I'd open up all the borders... people from abroad have value systems that we lost some time during the 1970's. They work hard and they don't expect anything to be handed to them. |
Nice... Never mind we have been sold-out by our own government with out-sourcing and the world's largest employer gives it's employees information on how to apply for Welfare, Medicaid and WICS, we now should have open borders so more low-wage labors floods the markets and further erodes any hope of workers organizing and bettering their situation.
Is it so hard to imagine that the folks who allowed industry to jump overseas and chase cheap labor love the fact they import cheap labor into the states...
When you have 20 desperate people competing for one shit job, that's supply and demand at work. We should just demand that our government cut off the supply of desperate workers from Mexico. We have enough already. |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
In addition, why can't Americans or other foreigners buy land and own businesses in Mexico? Mexicans sure own alot of land here.... |
Now that you've "qualified" your other lie, try giving me proof of this one.
And not just about beachside property in Baja. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Not for nothing and not naming names but it's offensive when people who are not straight-shooters and who often obfuscate and propagandize in order to embellish their point of view ask for proof.
Especially when they themselves direct most inquiries of the same nature to the Do It Yourself Department. :) |
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| JTProcess |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
This sucks for me. this issue is so fucked up i still haven't been able to form my own opinion what i think should be done.
What's the best way to handle the problem ? :mad: |
Punish the corporations that hire illegals for cheap labor with no benefits... oh wait our country is run by those corporations.
Nevermind, that won't happen. |
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| IWannaBangBiel |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
Punish the corporations that hire illegals for cheap labor with no benefits... oh wait our country is run by those corporations.
Nevermind, that won't happen. |
Yeah, you gotta love how RepubliCowns bash the open border types, then look the other way when Wal-Mart hires another thousand illegals. Way to stick to those convictions. Maybe, when it's not an election year. Who am I kidding? It's ALWAYS an election year.
Keep counting that corporate cash, Bushies. |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Not for nothing and not naming names but it's offensive when people who are not straight-shooters and who often obfuscate and propagandize in order to embellish their point of view ask for proof.
Especially when they themselves direct most inquiries of the same nature to the Do It Yourself Department. :) |
so you're admitting you're a lying faggot for refusing to acknowledge the serious problem with our lazy and shitty young workforce? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
so you're admitting you're a lying faggot for refusing to acknowledge the serious problem with our lazy and shitty young workforce? |
I acknowledge the serious problem in your head.
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