Imagine films made during World War II that exploited the anguish of Gold Star families in order to undermine the war effort.
As the article states, such films were made years after wars ended so that at least they could be put in a proper historical context.
To make the films and pass judgement now when the war is ongoing is a disservice to the families of our military and to our country. Everyone involved in these projects should be ashamed, and these films should be shunned.
Cusack joins Hollywood war cry
JOHN Cusack is an angry man – and that emotion is about to explode on to the screen in a story about the human cost of the Iraq war.
Cusack stars in the movie Grace is Gone, playing a man whose wife is killed doing service in the US military in Iraq and highlighting the challenges his family faces.
He says his desire to make the film was born out of anger at the decision by the Pentagon to ban publication of photos showing flag-draped coffins returning from battlefields.
"I feel that people will be interested in seeing the story of the human cost of this war," he says. "Not just in terms of the soldiers fighting, but the civilian leadership."
Grace is Gone , which earned glowing reviews at the Sundance Film Festival, is due for release in October.
It is one of several Hollywood pictures soon to be released that deal with the plight of civilian families caught up in the trauma of losing a family member in the "war on terror".
Anti-war films used not to gain general release until years after the conflict had been resolved.
The war in Iraq has shown filmmakers are no longer prepared to wait.
The release in the US next month of In the Valley of Elah, a drama from Oscar-winning director Paul Haggis about the murder of an Iraq war veteran, signals the start of the onslaught.
The film is one of several that will test the willingness of movie-goers to embrace dramas about sensitive subjects such as post-September 11 security and the continuing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Other films on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the broader issues of security include Robert Redford's Lions for Lambs, starring Tom Cruise and Meryl Streep, Brian De Palma's Redacted and Gavin Hood's Rendition.
Rendition stars Reese Witherspoon as the wife of an Egyptian-born chemical engineer who is arrested without charge and whisked off to a secret detention centre to be quizzed by the CIA.
The spate of films will continue through next year, with Kimberly Peirce's Stop Loss, about a veteran who refuses to return to Iraq, as well as The Hurt Locker, which began filming recently in Jordan and Iraq.
Darrell West, an expert in politics and the mass media at Brown University in the US, says the films reflect the Iraq war's widespread unpopularity.
"Anti-war movies are coming out now because public opinion has crystallised against the war," West says.
"It's safe for Hollywood to make these kind of movies without risking much of a backlash. There's always a risk when you make an anti-war movie in the middle of the war that people are going to be ticked off.
"But now, with two-thirds of Americans thinking the war in Iraq was a mistake, it's the perfect time to release these kinds of movies.
"There has been a tremendous change in US public opinion over the last two years.
"In 2004, Bush was re-elected based on the war on terrorism. Now the administration is seen as having mangled foreign policy and put the country into a mess.
"So it's safe to take on the administration in a way that it would not have been two or three years ago."
Mark Boal, The Hurt Locker scriptwriter, says films can present a view of the war not found in other mainstream media.
"We wanted to show the kinds of things that soldiers go through that you can't see on CNN, and I don't mean that in a censorship-conspiracy way," he told The Hollywood Reporter.
"I just mean the news doesn't actually put photographers in with units that are this elite.
"Most war movies don't come out until the war is over. It's really exciting for me, coming out of the world of journalism, to have a movie come out about a conflict while the conflict is still going on."
Though the Vietnam War spawned a series of classic films such as Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter and Platoon, they did not appear in cinemas until years after the end of the 1975 conflict.
Lew Harris, the editor of Movies.com, attributes the new attitude to a more politicised Hollywood.
"Hollywood is much more political now and less afraid to speak out. The film-makers and actors themselves are far more politicised than they were in the 1960s," Harris says.
"There is a much greater frustration now about the war because so many people are against it and yet it just keeps going on."
But Harris warns the success of the films would ultimately hinge on their ability to entertain.
"I think if it's good entertainment and the actors are good then they will be successful," he says.
"But if a film looks like something where the audience is going to be hit on the head with messages, then they won't." - AFP
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Imagine
films made during World War II that exploited the anguish of Gold Star families in order to undermine the war effort.
As the article states, such films were made years after wars ended so that at least they could be put in a proper historical context.
To make the films and pass judgement now when the war is ongoing is a disservice to the families of our military and to our country. Everyone involved in these projects should be ashamed, and these films should be shunned.
Cusack joins Hollywood war cry
JOHN Cusack is an angry man – and that emotion is about to explode on to the screen in a story about the human cost of the Iraq war.
Cusack stars in the movie Grace is Gone, playing a man whose wife is killed doing service in the US military in Iraq and highlighting the challenges his family faces.
He says his desire to make the film was born out of anger at the decision by the Pentagon to ban publication of photos showing flag-draped coffins returning from battlefields.
"I feel that people will be interested in seeing the story of the human cost of this war," he says. "Not just in terms of the soldiers fighting, but the civilian leadership."
Grace is Gone , which earned glowing reviews at the Sundance Film Festival, is due for release in October.
It is one of several Hollywood pictures soon to be released that deal with the plight of civilian families caught up in the trauma of losing a family member in the "war on terror".
Anti-war films used not to gain general release until years after the conflict had been resolved.
The war in Iraq has shown filmmakers are no longer prepared to wait.
The release in the US next month of In the Valley of Elah, a drama from Oscar-winning director Paul Haggis about the murder of an Iraq war veteran, signals the start of the onslaught.
The film is one of several that will test the willingness of movie-goers to embrace dramas about sensitive subjects such as post-September 11 security and the continuing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Other films on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the broader issues of security include Robert Redford's Lions for Lambs, starring Tom Cruise and Meryl Streep, Brian De Palma's Redacted and Gavin Hood's Rendition.
Rendition stars Reese Witherspoon as the wife of an Egyptian-born chemical engineer who is arrested without charge and whisked off to a secret detention centre to be quizzed by the CIA.
The spate of films will continue through next year, with Kimberly Peirce's Stop Loss, about a veteran who refuses to return to Iraq, as well as The Hurt Locker, which began filming recently in Jordan and Iraq.
Darrell West, an expert in politics and the mass media at Brown University in the US, says the films reflect the Iraq war's widespread unpopularity.
"Anti-war movies are coming out now because public opinion has crystallised against the war," West says.
"It's safe for Hollywood to make these kind of movies without risking much of a backlash. There's always a risk when you make an anti-war movie in the middle of the war that people are going to be ticked off.
"But now, with two-thirds of Americans thinking the war in Iraq was a mistake, it's the perfect time to release these kinds of movies.
"There has been a tremendous change in US public opinion over the last two years.
"In 2004, Bush was re-elected based on the war on terrorism. Now the administration is seen as having mangled foreign policy and put the country into a mess.
"So it's safe to take on the administration in a way that it would not have been two or three years ago."
Mark Boal, The Hurt Locker scriptwriter, says films can present a view of the war not found in other mainstream media.
"We wanted to show the kinds of things that soldiers go through that you can't see on CNN, and I don't mean that in a censorship-conspiracy way," he told The Hollywood Reporter.
"I just mean the news doesn't actually put photographers in with units that are this elite.
"Most war movies don't come out until the war is over. It's really exciting for me, coming out of the world of journalism, to have a movie come out about a conflict while the conflict is still going on."
Though the Vietnam War spawned a series of classic films such as Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter and Platoon, they did not appear in cinemas until years after the end of the 1975 conflict.
Lew Harris, the editor of Movies.com, attributes the new attitude to a more politicised Hollywood.
"Hollywood is much more political now and less afraid to speak out. The film-makers and actors themselves are far more politicised than they were in the 1960s," Harris says.
"There is a much greater frustration now about the war because so many people are against it and yet it just keeps going on."
But Harris warns the success of the films would ultimately hinge on their ability to entertain.
"I think if it's good entertainment and the actors are good then they will be successful," he says.
"But if a film looks like something where the audience is going to be hit on the head with messages, then they won't." - AFP
Risky idea releasing this film now with Sicko still dominating all the theatres all over America....
Bronks Breasts
zimmie.,, you dumb fuck.. do you not understand the idea of limited release ? Please sign up to go fight....... again.. Please do us a favor go to freerepublic.com they like nutjobs like yourself.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie Risky idea releasing this film now with Sicko still dominating all the theatres all over America....
Only retarded rats like you are dumb enough to think documentaries compete with major motion pictures :jj: :jj: :jj:
Yeah, that Oscar race between Sicko and Transformers will be a tight one....
What's that? You say they are in separate categories? Oh, ok? Thanks.:jj: :jj: :jj:
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie Risky idea releasing this film now with Sicko still dominating all the theatres all over America....
Yeah, Moore had millions gathered at the Washington Mall this weekend demanding socialized medicine. :burst:
Moore failed to influence gun laws (Bowling for Columbine), he failed to get John Kerry elected (Fahrenheit 9/11) and he will fail trying to bring socialized medical care to this country.
mb33139
So, the republicans want to censor Hollywood and put restraints on what subject matter a movie can consist of? I thought you right wingers were for "smaller government"?
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by mb33139 So, the republicans want to censor Hollywood and put restraints on what subject matter a movie can consist of? I thought you right wingers were for "smaller government"?
Did I say that? No, I didn't. I said these films should be shunned by the public.
What I am for is not passing judgement in this way on a war that is ongoing and trying to sway public opinion against the war effort. Think about it (and I'll repeat myself) - imagine a film being made during World War II that sought to play on people's emotions and hurt the effort. It would be unthinkable - and as the article states, they are setting a precedent.
What the hell ever happened to people actually wanting their country to prevail in a war? Is that too much to ask?
Monster_Zero
This so called, "war on terror" was a ruse to invade a sovereign nation for no valid reason... stop clinging to fairy tales... :rolleyes:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Yeah, Moore had millions gathered at the Washington Mall this weekend demanding socialized medicine. :burst:
Moore failed to influence gun laws (Bowling for Columbine), he failed to get John Kerry elected (Fahrenheit 9/11) and he will fail trying to bring socialized medical care to this country.
Once again you are in the minority with your idiotic ideas. Most Americans want national health care.
Quote:
Poll Shows Strong Public Support
For Range of Health Practices
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINE
October 20, 2005
(See Corrections & Amplifications item below.)
A new Harris Interactive poll that measures support for each of 12 different health-care policies, programs or practices, finds significant public support for a range of issues ranging from the conventional to more controversial.
The online survey of 2,242 U.S. adults found an overwhelming majority (96%) of Americans "strongly" or "somewhat" favor Medicare, the medical assistance program for the elderly and disabled, while 91% say they support Medicaid, the program to assist people with very low incomes.
The poll also showed high support for policies or practices that are considered more controversial. Eighty-seven percent of those polled say they support funding of international HIV prevention and treatment programs, while 75% favor universal health insurance, compared with 17% who oppose it. Another 70% support embryonic stem-cell research, compared with about 19% who oppose it.
And stay the fuck off of my socialized roads and stop using my socialized police and fire departments, you prick.
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero This so called, "war on terror" was a ruse to invade a sovereign nation for no valid reason... stop clinging to fairy tales... :rolleyes:
Yes, the whole 9/11 thing was orchestrated to give the Bush Administration an opening to go into Iraq.
:rolleyes:
With all due respect, please take your conspiracy theories to a separate thread.
mb33139
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Did I say that? No, I didn't. I said these films should be shunned by the public.
What I am for is not passing judgement in this way on a war that is ongoing and trying to sway public opinion against the war effort. Think about it (and I'll repeat myself) - imagine a film being made during World War II that sought to play on people's emotions and hurt the effort. It would be unthinkable - and as the article states, they are setting a precedent.
What the hell ever happened to people actually wanting their country to prevail in a war? Is that too much to ask?
WWII was a "war".. Iraq is an "occupation". Big difference. Actually, Iraq is an occupation that the majority of Americans are against. Since Hollywood is made primarily of Americans, it is safe to say that the majority of Hollywood is against the continued occupation of Iraq so why not make a movie about it?
Your opinion that Iraq is a war is reflective of a shrinking minority. Now if you were a Sunni living in Iraq, I would agree that you were at "war". But I assume you are an American living in the USA. The "war" in Iraq is an internal conflict between intrinsic factions. America has nothing to do with that fight (other than being the catalyst for it's inception), so we are just occupying the country until the infighting ends.
In summary, using WWII as an analogy to Iraq is disingenuous at best and political propaganda at worst...
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Once again you are in the minority with your idiotic ideas. Most Americans want national health care.
And stay the fuck off of my socialized roads and stop using my socialized police and fire departments, you prick.
Do you have any data to back up your assertion that "most Americans want national health care?"
Keep in mind we are talking about government-run, socialized medicine, not making health care affordable for every American. Big difference between the two.
While you are retrieving your evidence, let's take a look back in time at the reaction to HillaryCare, circa 1994:
Bist Meshugeh
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil :lol: :lol: :lol:
With a retort like that you must be an Ivy League grad like Bush.
No wonder the right wins....
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by Bist Meshugeh With a retort like that you must be an Ivy League grad like Bush.
No wonder the right wins....
Hi Holy Elvis :hw:
WillowGlen
Republican sheep attacking hollywood again. Then on tuesday thier "actor" will announce his candidacy. :rolleyes:
harley-davidson
Quote: Originally posted by Bist Meshugeh With a retort like that you must be an Ivy League grad like Bush.
No wonder the right wins....
Bist Meshugeh
Mr. PC
kmkomr
Holey-Elvis
Sternposse...............> :hw:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Do you have any data to back up your assertion that "most Americans want national health care?"
Keep in mind we are talking about government-run, socialized medicine, not making health care affordable for every American. Big difference between the two.
While you are retrieving your evidence, let's take a look back in time at the reaction to HillaryCare, circa 1994:
Are you fucking illiterate?
From the poll I JUST posted for your dumb ass:
Quote:
75% favor universal health insurance
Reverend Tyler
Im glad that artists are beginning to stand up to their duties
Ass Boil
The best part is that it makes pussies like Vacunt shit his diaper.
JTProcess
fred thompson 08' sucka
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Are you fucking illiterate?
From the poll I JUST posted for your dumb ass:
I asked for a specific poll in regards to what you are advocating, which is government-run health care. A poll asking if people if they favor "universal health care" is ambiguous because it can be achieved in a variety of ways.
So again, do you have a poll that supports your assertion that a majority of Americans support a government takeover of the health care industry?
Waiting...
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler Im glad that artists are beginning to stand up to their duties
It's an artist's "duty" to undermine the war effort?
First I've heard of that.
Monster_Zero
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Yes, the whole 9/11 thing was orchestrated to give the Bush Administration an opening to go into Iraq.
:rolleyes:
With all due respect, please take your conspiracy theories to a separate thread.
Iraq STILL has NO connection to 9/11... buy a clue, numbnuts...
That's not a conspiracy, that's a FACT!! :rolleyes:
Monster_Zero
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Once again you are in the minority with your idiotic ideas. Most Americans want national health care.
Most Americans want far more than they can afford... :(
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero Most Americans want far more than they can afford... :(
You're telling me we can 'afford' to spend more on defense than all other countries COMBINED, but we cannot afford universal health care?
MZ, you and I pay for the health care of the poor right now. When they put off going to the doctor because they have no insurance, then end up in the ER with no way to pay, we end up footing the bill through higher taxes and private insurance premiums.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord I asked for a specific poll in regards to what you are advocating, which is government-run health care. A poll asking if people if they favor "universal health care" is ambiguous because it can be achieved in a variety of ways.
So again, do you have a poll that supports your assertion that a majority of Americans support a government takeover of the health care industry?
Waiting...
Uh, no you didn't, prick:
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
Do you have any data to back up your assertion that "most Americans want national health care?"
To which I responded:
Quote:
75% favor universal health insurance
Sorry, dumbfuck. The poll asked if people favor UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, 75% responded YES.
Now you are trying to be a fucking crybaby and ask for something else. Eat your crow, then eat shit.
Face it, you are a 26 percenter.
ICE CUBAN
So wait, I was thinking that the reason for the "war" not going well consisted of
1. Bad planning
2. Bad leadership
3. The fact that it's hard to occupy a country
3. A complacent media
4. American's unwillingness to stop being fat and stupid
Boy was I wrong, apparently the real reasons the "war" is going bad are:
1. Movies
2. People using their first amendment right
Makes perfect sense
DUDE-HERE
well we all saw the great job government did with katrina why not trust them with our healthcare
Ass Boil
Deliberate incompetence is not the same as accidental incompetence. When you appoint a horse judge to run FEMA, it says "fuck you" to America.
try again, dipshit.
NC-Stern-Mark
JTProcess
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE well we all saw the great job government did with katrina why not trust them with our healthcare
The republicans have failed at EVERYTHING... so no we do not want them to run anything. Especially healthcare. That will have to wait until these buffoons are replaced with people who are actually fit to govern.
ICE CUBAN
THIS government gas proven it shouldn't even be in charge of a lemonade stand much less a country. You get some good, smart, honest people running things then you wouldn't have to worry about things like Iraq, Katrina, etc., getting so out of hand.
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Imagine
films made during World War II that exploited the anguish of Gold Star families in order to undermine the war effort.
As the article states, such films were made years after wars ended so that at least they could be put in a proper historical context.
To make the films and pass judgement now when the war is ongoing is a disservice to the families of our military and to our country. Everyone involved in these projects should be ashamed, and these films should be shunned.
Cusack joins Hollywood war cry
JOHN Cusack is an angry man – and that emotion is about to explode on to the screen in a story about the human cost of the Iraq war.
Cusack stars in the movie Grace is Gone, playing a man whose wife is killed doing service in the US military in Iraq and highlighting the challenges his family faces.
He says his desire to make the film was born out of anger at the decision by the Pentagon to ban publication of photos showing flag-draped coffins returning from battlefields.
"I feel that people will be interested in seeing the story of the human cost of this war," he says. "Not just in terms of the soldiers fighting, but the civilian leadership."
Grace is Gone , which earned glowing reviews at the Sundance Film Festival, is due for release in October.
It is one of several Hollywood pictures soon to be released that deal with the plight of civilian families caught up in the trauma of losing a family member in the "war on terror".
Anti-war films used not to gain general release until years after the conflict had been resolved.
The war in Iraq has shown filmmakers are no longer prepared to wait.
The release in the US next month of In the Valley of Elah, a drama from Oscar-winning director Paul Haggis about the murder of an Iraq war veteran, signals the start of the onslaught.
The film is one of several that will test the willingness of movie-goers to embrace dramas about sensitive subjects such as post-September 11 security and the continuing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Other films on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the broader issues of security include Robert Redford's Lions for Lambs, starring Tom Cruise and Meryl Streep, Brian De Palma's Redacted and Gavin Hood's Rendition.
Rendition stars Reese Witherspoon as the wife of an Egyptian-born chemical engineer who is arrested without charge and whisked off to a secret detention centre to be quizzed by the CIA.
The spate of films will continue through next year, with Kimberly Peirce's Stop Loss, about a veteran who refuses to return to Iraq, as well as The Hurt Locker, which began filming recently in Jordan and Iraq.
Darrell West, an expert in politics and the mass media at Brown University in the US, says the films reflect the Iraq war's widespread unpopularity.
"Anti-war movies are coming out now because public opinion has crystallised against the war," West says.
"It's safe for Hollywood to make these kind of movies without risking much of a backlash. There's always a risk when you make an anti-war movie in the middle of the war that people are going to be ticked off.
"But now, with two-thirds of Americans thinking the war in Iraq was a mistake, it's the perfect time to release these kinds of movies.
"There has been a tremendous change in US public opinion over the last two years.
"In 2004, Bush was re-elected based on the war on terrorism. Now the administration is seen as having mangled foreign policy and put the country into a mess.
"So it's safe to take on the administration in a way that it would not have been two or three years ago."
Mark Boal, The Hurt Locker scriptwriter, says films can present a view of the war not found in other mainstream media.
"We wanted to show the kinds of things that soldiers go through that you can't see on CNN, and I don't mean that in a censorship-conspiracy way," he told The Hollywood Reporter.
"I just mean the news doesn't actually put photographers in with units that are this elite.
"Most war movies don't come out until the war is over. It's really exciting for me, coming out of the world of journalism, to have a movie come out about a conflict while the conflict is still going on."
Though the Vietnam War spawned a series of classic films such as Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter and Platoon, they did not appear in cinemas until years after the end of the 1975 conflict.
Lew Harris, the editor of Movies.com, attributes the new attitude to a more politicised Hollywood.
"Hollywood is much more political now and less afraid to speak out. The film-makers and actors themselves are far more politicised than they were in the 1960s," Harris says.
"There is a much greater frustration now about the war because so many people are against it and yet it just keeps going on."
But Harris warns the success of the films would ultimately hinge on their ability to entertain.
"I think if it's good entertainment and the actors are good then they will be successful," he says.
"But if a film looks like something where the audience is going to be hit on the head with messages, then they won't." - AFP
:zzz: You're really getting pretty boring around here VTW. I can only assume it's because you can't really defend this administration anymore
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon :zzz: You're really getting pretty boring around here VTW. I can only assume it's because you can't really defend this administration anymore
Yeah, mabye I should stop with the Politics and News stuff and go piss and moan in the thread about Mingmen being in time out.
:rolleyes:
If it bores you, ignore.
IWannaBangBiel
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Yeah, mabye I should stop with the Politics and News stuff and go piss and moan in the thread about Mingmen being in time out.
:rolleyes:
If it bores you, ignore.
How 'bout some Hot Chick Pics, instead? :D
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Yeah, mabye I should stop with the Politics and News stuff and go piss and moan in the thread about Mingmen being in time out.
:rolleyes:
If it bores you, ignore.
You're not boring enough to ignore. Not yet. Only Psychofag spams shit threads to monotony. I think you make some good points, I just wish you weren't living in fucking la-la land. It would make your points seem so much more credible if you weren't swinging off Bush's nuts all day.
In any case, you should stop trying to pretend like ANYTHING is really working in Iraq. Claiming Baghdad is much safer while walking through town surrounded by 30 troops, or claiming An-Bar province is much safer thanks to the efforts of the 'surge' while being in an isolated and heavily fortified bunker doesn't mean shit to me.
And wether or not THIS surge has seen ANY positive effects is meaningless compared to the 4 years of absolute horror the Iraqi citizens have had to endure.
I'm all for supporting the troops, they're doing the best job their fucked up leadership can provide them. But we're fucking the Iraqi citizens in the ass while claiming to 'win'. I don't see why you think that's an acceptable answer, unless you're not really trying to save Iraqi citizens but just there for profit.
Hey? What happened to Gonzalez? You never let me know what you thought about Gonzalez being a proven liar. I'm still waiting to hear you say I was right.
I guess I won't hold my breath though. Like NCMike06, I think you lack the courage to admit being wrong.
Rike
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
And stay the fuck off of my socialized roads and stop using my socialized police and fire departments, you prick.
So because the government can build roads and maintain a police force we should socialize medicine? I know you're just lifting this talking point from 'sicko' but you cant really believe it is a good argument. Should the government provide housing for everyone because it can build roads? How about food and high speed internet?
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by Rike So because the government can build roads and maintain a police force we should socialize medicine? I know you're just lifting this talking point from 'sicko' but you cant really believe it is a good argument. Should the government provide housing for everyone because it can build roads? How about food and high speed internet?
I'm all for the government providing me high speed internet. I'm tired of fucking paying for it :mad:
IWannaBangBiel
Quote: Originally posted by Rike So because the government can build roads and maintain a police force we should socialize medicine?
They can do that? Since when?
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon You're not boring enough to ignore. Not yet. Only Psychofag spams shit threads to monotony. I think you make some good points, I just wish you weren't living in fucking la-la land. It would make your points seem so much more credible if you weren't swinging off Bush's nuts all day.
In any case, you should stop trying to pretend like ANYTHING is really working in Iraq. Claiming Baghdad is much safer while walking through town surrounded by 30 troops, or claiming An-Bar province is much safer thanks to the efforts of the 'surge' while being in an isolated and heavily fortified bunker doesn't mean shit to me.
And wether or not THIS surge has seen ANY positive effects is meaningless compared to the 4 years of absolute horror the Iraqi citizens have had to endure.
I'm all for supporting the troops, they're doing the best job their fucked up leadership can provide them. But we're fucking the Iraqi citizens in the ass while claiming to 'win'. I don't see why you think that's an acceptable answer, unless you're not really trying to save Iraqi citizens but just there for profit.
Hey? What happened to Gonzalez? You never let me know what you thought about Gonzalez being a proven liar. I'm still waiting to hear you say I was right.
I guess I won't hold my breath though. Like NCMike06, I think you lack the courage to admit being wrong.
Man do you have an ego. "Oh, I've not grown tired of you yet, but that day is approaching."
Dude, fuck off with your holier-than-thou attitude, seriously. You are no more astute than any other poster here.
In closing, Alberto Gonzales has yet to be proven to be a liar. I said a long time ago that he should resign because the witch hunt the Democrats have continued really makes it impossible for him to function as A.G. He was becoming an albatross around the President's neck, but not for the right reasons, mind you.
zimmie
how many times have you been stuck at a road construction site, miles of backups, miles of orange and white barrels to find the only activity is two government workers leaning on shovels?
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Man do you have an ego. "Oh, I've not grown tired of you yet, but that day is approaching."
Dude, fuck off with your holier-than-thou attitude, seriously. You are no more astute than any other poster here.
In closing, Alberto Gonzales has yet to be proven to be a liar. I said a long time ago that he should resign because the witch hunt the Democrats have continued really makes it impossible for him to function as A.G. He was becoming an albatross around the President's neck, but not for the right reasons, mind you.
:lol::lol::lol: You're a fucking mess dude. Absolutely comical. I'm glad you're around because for most of the bushbots around here, I feel they're just actually parroting shit because they think it's funny to try and 'rile' us up around here.
But you?! You actually BELIEVE the shit you spew. I think there's nothing funnier than a dipshit who LIVES for partisan politics.
My 'holier-than-thou' attitude which you think you saw was nothing of the sort. You told me to ignore you, and I told you in no uncertain terms that you're not worth ignoring. But that's not good enough for you, somehow I'm asserting a "holier-than-thou" attitude with you.
You really just have no clue do you?
Gonzalez IS a proven liar. He lied under testimony, and the FBI agent (Mueller) ratted him out.
Sorry, you lose again. That you can't admit it to everyone here proves that you're a liar too.
Thanks for playing liar! :hw:
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Sorry, dumbfuck. The poll asked if people favor UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, 75% responded YES.
Now you are trying to be a fucking crybaby and ask for something else. Eat your crow, then eat shit.
Face it, you are a 26 percenter.
Yeah, a "26 percenter" who knows bullshit when he sees it.
Why don't you use this statistic to tout your government-run healthcare, AssBoil. I'm sure the American people would be real enthusiastic when they hear about shit like this:
So can you refute this, dipshit, or are you going to revert back to your WHO ranking horeshit again?
WillowGlen
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Yeah, mabye I should stop with the Politics and News stuff and go piss and moan in the thread about Mingmen being in time out.
:rolleyes:
If it bores you, ignore.
If everyone you bored to death with your inane Hannity parroted talking point bullshit put you on ignore the only people that would see anything you posted would be Zimmie, Dude_Here, Psycho/Geodaddy and NC Moron the next time he crawls out of his hole. You could then be crowned King of the empty headed dipshits. :rolleyes: Too bad the coronation wouldnt be televised as im sure it would rival the Miss Teen USA YouTube video.
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen If everyone you bored to death with your inane Hannity parroted talking point bullshit put you on ignore the only people that would see anything you posted would be Zimmie, Dude_Here, Psycho/Geodaddy and NC Moron the next time he crawls out of his hole. You could then be crowned King of the empty headed dipshits. :rolleyes: Too bad the coronation wouldnt be televised as im sure it would rival the Miss Teen USA YouTube video.
Hey, if people want me gone I'll volintarily leave, no problem.
I got here after pretty much everyone else, and I'll respect the wishes of the board members.
As for the "Hannity parroted talking points," I don't parrot Sean Hannity with the exception of his "Bush Derangement Syndrome" label which I admittedly stole. Then again, the only way you would know I "parrot Sean Hannity" would be if you are a loyal watcher/listener, wouldn't you say?
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Hey, if people want me gone I'll volintarily leave, no problem.
I got here after pretty much everyone else, and I'll respect the wishes of the board members.
As for the "Hannity parroted talking points," I don't parrot Sean Hannity with the exception of his "Bush Derangement Syndrome" label which I admittedly stole. Then again, the only way you would know I "parrot Sean Hannity" would be if you are a loyal watcher/listener, wouldn't you say?
Hmm.... an interesting notion. Do I want you gone? It doesn't matter, even if you got a resounding "yes", you wouldn't leave.
Just like Gonzalez... OOOPSSS!!! Shhhh, don't mention that liar.
Anyhow, I would rather not see you leave. There's a shortage of people who actually BELIEVE the bullshit the administration tells us. But you're one of the rarer breeds of Bushbots who'll actually defend their lame excuses and actually sees the victory of one battle as an overall progression of some trumped up war.
No, I have far too much fun showing to everyone on this forum why you're a liar and a hypocrite. Please stay. I love making you look stupid.
ChaseDC
Why are the republipussies so scared of Hollywood, yet embrace one actor (Thompson) and jerk off to the memory of another actor (reagan).
You idiots can't possibly be dumb enough to think this matters at all in the grand scheme of things.
Must be great to worry about what hollywood is doing while you turn a blind eye on the clusterfuck in Iraq. Hypocrites.
ChaseDC
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord It's an artist's "duty" to undermine the war effort?
First I've heard of that.
Hey dildo. Please provide PROOF that artists are undermining the war effort?
You fucking mindless sheep will believe EVERYTHING the right wing wackos tell you.
You are unbelievably naive.
ChaseDC
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE well we all saw the great job government did with katrina why not trust them with our healthcare
that was with bush running things, dumbass.
Reverend Tyler
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord It's an artist's "duty" to undermine the war effort?
First I've heard of that.
It is an artist's duty to use their talents to to get across a message, not to sit on the sidelines.
Ass Boil
Hollywood:
NC-Stern-Mark
I love movies that have monkeys in them.
Does that make me a bad person? :(
Ass Boil
I love the caption on the box for the movie:
"mischevious monkeyshines"!!
You can't beat that!
NC-Stern-Mark
God damn, I would love to have a monkey.
Of course that would get old the day I see him sitting in a corner jerking himself off and then having him throw his shit at me but I still like to imagine how much fun it would be to have a monkey around. :)
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