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Psychomike

This link is worth looking at as it shows the possible targets of the attack:

Bush setting America up for war with Iran

By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 3:20am BST 16/09/2007

Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

Dick Cheney ('The Man') with George W Bush

Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail.

Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran.

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

A prime target would be the Fajr base run by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds Force in southern Iran, where Western intelligence agencies say armour-piercing projectiles used against British and US troops are manufactured.

Under the theory - which is gaining credence in Washington security circles - US action would provoke a major Iranian response, perhaps in the form of moves to cut off Gulf oil supplies, providing a trigger for air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and even its armed forces.

Senior officials believe Mr Bush's inner circle has decided he does not want to leave office without first ensuring that Iran is not capable of developing a nuclear weapon. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...16/wiran116.xml

SQUEEZYWEZY

THAT STUPID HILLBILLIE COCKSUCKA!!!!!!!!!!

Jeton

damn i'm good!

navinjohnson999

bush will take out their military ... no u.s. boots on the ground in iran

it needs to be done

TruckdriverRick

well thats just great..I mean after all we are doing so well in Iraq..and of course in the search for Bin Laden..has anyone made the comparision of Bush looking for Osama..is the same as OJ looking for Nicoles "REAL" killer :rolleyes:

cronic tester

the international comunity should stop this , YOUR OUT OF CONTROL!!!! :mad:

Boyo

we don't have the man power to go into Iran. It would have to be airstrikes....

enix

damnit.

navinjohnson999

it will be air strikes only

NO U.S. BOOTS WILL GO INTO IRAN

imobd

Just as I've predicted all along

Sounds like a good plan

navinjohnson999

it needs to be done

bush wont leave this problem for the next president

dont get your skirts all in a bunch

war ..... you gotta love the smell of napolm in the morning

enix

What does napolm smell like?

navinjohnson999

burning iranian soldiers

Cojayc

Premature assessment. But.....

How long should we let Iran be responsible for American casualties and not react?

FUNT

The U.S. would have bombed Iran back into the stoneages years ago.

If they'd only get the fuck out of the stoneage first.

FUNT

Quote: Originally posted by cronic tester
the international comunity should stop this

:jj:

Boyo

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
Premature assessment. But.....

How long should we let Iran be responsible for American casualties and not react?

How the fuck long to you think we should still be in Iraq? What the fuck are we even doing there?

a Canis Majoris

Quote: Originally posted by enix
What does napolm smell like?

Victory.

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by Boyo
How the fuck long to you think we should still be in Iraq? What the fuck are we even doing there?

We should stay until the Iraqi government and military can keep the country from becoming a terrorist training nest or an Iranian Proxy.

Why we are there doesnt fucking matter at this point... we are there.

Again, how long should we let Iran be behind American casualties? Its very possible we could have left by now if not for Iran.

Abba

You are all a bunch of moronic cocksuckers.
This bloodlust you have is the result of sitting in your stained tighty whiteys in mom's basement, safely behind the glow of your computer monitors.
Until any of you little girls see a bady scorched from our illegal phosphorus bombs, kindly shut the fuck up.
No wonder we're so fucked, there are no more real men in our country, only women and scared little boys. Watch out bitches, your panties are stained. :mad: Assholes.

I hope you enjoy the next terror attack unleashed upon us after we start to bomb yet ANOTHER country, as if we're doing so well in the first 2, right? :rolleyes:

You people are such pitiful simpletons. :rolleyes:

SerenadeMyMeat

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
damn i'm good!

You sure called it, didnt ya.

yotimyo

iraq was a stepping stone all along, with the main target being iran...,.,.
look how it was done - afghanistan first (immediatley to iran's right), iraq second (immediatley to iran's left) - both essential u.s outposts for crushing iran.. iran was the target all along... as it well should have been.............

SerenadeMyMeat

Quote: Originally posted by Abba
You are all a bunch of moronic cocksuckers.
This bloodlust you have is the result of sitting in your stained tighty whiteys in mom's basement, safely behind the glow of your computer monitors.
Until any of you little girls see a bady scorched from our illegal phosphorus bombs, kindly shut the fuck up.
No wonder we're so fucked, there are no more real men in our country, only women and scared little boys. Watch out bitches, your panties are stained. :mad: Assholes.

I hope you enjoy the next terror attack unleashed upon us after we start to bomb yet ANOTHER country, as if we're doing so well in the first 2, right? :rolleyes:

You people are such pitiful simpletons. :rolleyes:

Somebody needs a hug. :console:

Inebri-A-Ted

Wrong forum

Abba

Quote: Originally posted by SerenadeMyMeat
Somebody needs a hug. :console:

Apparently, I'm one of the few who actually loves my country and doesn't want us to continue to be the greatest threat to the stability of the world.
Congratulations, America, we are overwhelmingly responsible for the most destruction in this new century, and the vast majority of the world's population believes us to be the most evil force on the planet, all so our fat asses can get our junk for cheap and not have to walk to the store for milk. It's our god given right to get cheap gas, and who gives a fuck how much blood gets spilled to assure that! :rolleyes:

Cojayc

Actually asshole im in the military and have served in Iraq. I wouldnt expect someone who hasnt served to understand thats its unacceptable to let a country kill us and not respond.... so fuck you.

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Apparently, I'm one of the few who actually loves my country and doesn't want us to continue to be the greatest threat to the stability of the world.
Congratulations, America, we are overwhelmingly responsible for the most destruction in this new century, and the vast majority of the world's population believes us to be the most evil force on the planet, all so our fat asses can get our junk for cheap and not have to walk to the store for milk. It's our god given right to get cheap gas, and who gives a fuck how much blood gets spilled to assure that! :rolleyes:

Nuke the bitches. ;)

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
We should stay until the Iraqi government and military can keep the country from becoming a terrorist training nest or an Iranian Proxy.

Why we are there doesnt fucking matter at this point... we are there.

Again, how long should we let Iran be behind American casualties? Its very possible we could have left by now if not for Iran.

:lol: you're so very full of shit..."it doesn't matter why we'rte there... we are there." what typical Pentagon fairy-tale bullshit, "don't ask questions, just fall inline". shut the fuck up n peddle your pre-written propaganda somewhere else, unless you can tell us: did you find SFN on your own or were you 'assigned' here? :rolleyes:

same fukn recipe for intentional quagmire, intentionally bleeding the US armed forces for...what, exactly? Iraq is mostly SHiite and thus INEVITABLY a client state to Iran, whihc was perfectly well known 15 years ago. you come here and argue for the PNAC agenda of indefinite and highly overextended US military commitment to the MidEast and for the shredding of US Constitutional freedoms under the pretense of permanent war, even as you deny PNAC's agenda is in control of our Executive branch.

fuck you, little wyrmtongue. :rolleyes:

TruckdriverRick

just curious..do you get to work on horseback??

BIG STIFFY

Quote: Originally posted by Boyo
we don't have the man power to go into Iran. It would have to be airstrikes....

3 words=neutron fucking bomb.....i mean we have to save the oil fields since it's our only reason for making war :rolleyes:

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:lol: you're so very full of shit..."it doesn't matter why we'rte there... we are there." what typical Pentagon fairy-tale bullshit, "don't ask questions, just fall inline". shut the fuck up n peddle your pre-written propaganda somewhere else, unless you can tell us: did you find SFN on your own or were you 'assigned' here? :rolleyes:

same fukn recipe for intentional quagmire, intentionally bleeding the US armed forces for...what, exactly? Iraq is mostly SHiite and thus INEVITABLY a client state to Iran, whihc was perfectly well known 15 years ago. you come here and argue for the PNAC agenda of indefinite and highly overextended US military commitment to the MidEast and for the shredding of US Constitutional freedoms under the pretense of permanent war, even as you deny PNAC's agenda is in control of our Executive branch.

fuck you, little wyrmtongue. :rolleyes:

Yes youre right, I was assigned to come on SFN to try and sway the opinions of assholes like you. That is one of the primary missions and thank god youre smart enough to figure it out.

Your arguments are neither accurate nor coherent and youre not worth my time.

Boyo

pull your head out of your ass. you sound like Bill O'Reilley for fucks sake.....There is no evidence that Iran has prolonged our stay in Iraq. Iraq can't sustain itself currently.....Let's not forget, Ronald Reagan gave money to Iraq during the 8 year war with Iran.

Dirty South

Fuck Iran.

Humble their asses.

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Boyo
pull your head out of your ass. you sound like Bill O'Reilley for fucks sake.....There is no evidence that Iran has prolonged our stay in Iraq. Iraq can't sustain itself currently.....Let's not forget, Ronald Reagan gave money to Iraq during the 8 year war with Iran.

if memory serves me correctly..wasn't Bin Laden one of our allies when Russia invaded Afghanistan??

JonGnagyBeard

It's a sad and scary world we live on.

Cojayc

Fuck Bill Oreilly. There is overwhelming evidence that Iran supports Shiite militias and insurgents in Iraq, militarily and politically. That fact is not debated by Republicans or Democrats, the Iranian ambassador admitted Shiite support during a recent interview and Iranian leaders have threatened to create further chaos in Iraq if attacked.

When you achieve any substantial level of knowledge on this subject, let me know and we can debate it further.

jigzaw

why is this in the Howard Stern Show forum???

FUNT

Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
why is this in the Howard Stern Show forum???

For the same reason the U.S. is in Iraq: Howard Stern insulted George W. Bush's father.

Pay back, baby! :cheer:

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
Yes youre right, I was assigned to come on SFN to try and sway the opinions of assholes like you. That is one of the primary missions and thank god youre smart enough to figure it out.

Your arguments are neither accurate nor coherent and youre not worth my time.

:) do you deny the US Dept Of Defense has such a program whereby DOD employees are tasked with arguing the DOD perspective in public forums across the USA, online and in print... or do u simply deny working for that program yourself?

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:) do you deny the US Dept Of Defense has such a program whereby DOD employees are tasked with arguing the DOD perspective in public forums across the USA, online and in print... or do u simply deny working for that program yourself?

Do you deny women are subjugated and oppressed in Muslim society.....or do you simply deny doing so yourself? :)

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by GHP
Do you deny women are subjugated and oppressed in Muslim society.....or do you simply deny doing so yourself? :)

:btu: continuing your run of misdirective prattle i see...;)

WhoreMonger

Sending airstrikes into Iran would be quite a bit riskier than sending them into Iraq was during the 'Shock and Awe' phase of Operation Iraqi Freedon. Iraq's airforce had been decimated during the first Golf War, and they didn't launch a single sortie. Iran, on the other hand, has potent anti-aircraft defenses not to mention an impressive airforce. It'd be interesting to see what happens.

crazy4alice

Of course this is the UK press that has a centerfold of a semi-naked chick in their Sunday Paper.

WhoreMonger

Quote: Originally posted by crazy4alice
Of course this is the UK press that has a centerfold of a semi-naked chick in their Sunday Paper.

I read 'the Sun' in Canada, and we have semi-naked chicks daily :cool:.

TruckdriverRick

what people seem to either not want to admitt or just plain deny..is that alot of the problems we are having in the world today are of our own making..some for instances

we supported a dictatorship in Iran for decades..
we supported a dictatorship in Iraq for decades
as long as countries made the US policy easier our Govt ( both republican and democrat) turned a blind eye to how the rulers of those countries ruled..why should we be suprised that the people of those countries either now dont like us or plain dont trust us..it is a sad state of affairs that we now find ourselves..and it will take years for the US to get out of the current situation that the Bush administration has put in place involving foreign policy

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:btu: continuing your run of misdirective prattle i see...;)

"Reductive".......you forgot "reductive."

But you didn't forget to evade the questions.

Again. :)

Jeton

:bigthink: hey cojay, what can u tell us about the Counterintelligence Field Activity agency of the DOD? ever heard of them?

just curious. :hw:

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by GHP
"Reductive".......you forgot "reductive."

But you didn't forget to evade the questions.

Again. :)

ask a sincere question worth answering.

for once. :)

Cojayc

If that program does exist (I have never heard of it) I would submit that for one its no secret that the DoD has public spokesmen to explain DoD intentions and operations and secondly, DoD personnel are American citizens are entitled to speak their mind like everyone else.

And DoD personnel have differing opinions on the Iraq war, its execution and every other effort we are involved in..just like on here. Ive had many many disagreements with my fellow DoD personnel on this and other issue.

So no, im not part of any "program" to support DoD policy.

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
ask a sincere question worth answering.

for once. :)

Answer any question.

For the first time. :)

sir1us

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
if memory serves me correctly..wasn't Bin Laden one of our allies when Russia invaded Afghanistan??

trained and funded by the CIA during those years, yep. I'm for bombing the fuck out of whoever is REAL threat to us like Iran.

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
If that program does exist (I have never heard of it) I would submit that for one its no secret that the DoD has public spokesmen to explain DoD intentions and operations and secondly, DoD personnel are American citizens are entitled to speak their mind like everyone else.

And DoD personnel have differing opinions on the Iraq war, its execution and every other effort we are involved in..just like on here. Ive had many many disagreements with my fellow DoD personnel on this and other issue.

So no, im not part of any "program" to support DoD policy.

so hard to tell with you guys, there's always such uniformity of "let's go to war and everything will be alright, pay no attention to the mission-creep and creeping entropy" hucksterism...not to mention that the DOD's policy of paying people to spread their perspective UNDER PRETENSE OF INDIVIDUALITY AND DISINTEREST has been such an issue of debate in the press the last few years...funny how you never heard of any of it. :)

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:bigthink: hey cojay, what can u tell us about the Counterintelligence Field Activity agency of the DOD? ever heard of them?

just curious. :hw:

Im not familiar with that specific agency but all intel organizations conduct counterintelligence. One thing that many Americans are not aware of is that foreign governements employ many civilians (typically not Americans) to live in cities with a large military presence. These individuals go to bars, restaurants, stores, ride the train, etc. in order to over hear conversation about upcoming deployments, plans etc.etc. In extreme cases they will attempt to extract classified info from people with clearances (traitors). So take Norfolk for example... They will watch the waterways to say.. this Aircraft carrier got underway today and report that back to their country. Its not new and its something we probably do as well.

So Counterintelligence efforts are tasked with responding to servicemembers who have had suspicious people ask them questions that are beyond normal curiosity or suspected traitors.

In a nutshell.

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:bigthink: hey cojay, what can u tell us about the Counterintelligence Field Activity agency of the DOD? ever heard of them?

just curious. :hw:

One more thing... if they suspect an American citizen is involved then they turn the case over to the FBI.

ZiggynUSC

Quote: Originally posted by navinjohnson999
bush will take out their military ... no u.s. boots on the ground in iran

it needs to be done

Oh yeah he has done a real good job of that so far in Iraq, u dumb shit how can u still trust Bush, the guy is in it for the money.

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
One more thing... if they suspect an American citizen is involved then they turn the case over to the FBI.

dude dont waste your time..as much as I like Jeton..on this particular subject..he makes his own logic to support his arguements..

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
Im not familiar with that specific agency but all intel organizations conduct counterintelligence. One thing that many Americans are not aware of is that foreign governements employ many civilians (typically not Americans) to live in cities with a large military presence. These individuals go to bars, restaurants, stores, ride the train, etc. in order to over hear conversation about upcoming deployments, plans etc.etc. In extreme cases they will attempt to extract classified info from people with clearances (traitors). So take Norfolk for example... They will watch the waterways to say.. this Aircraft carrier got underway today and report that back to their country. Its not new and its something we probably do as well.

So Counterintelligence efforts are tasked with responding to servicemembers who have had suspicious people ask them questions that are beyond normal curiosity or suspected traitors.

In a nutshell.

thanks cojay, but i already have a general sense of what counterintelligence entails per se. i'm particularly interested in the more controversial excursion of DOD personnel into what amounts to direct political activity/advocacy on US soil under the guise of traditional 'counter intelligence'..

ZiggynUSC

Quote: Originally posted by navinjohnson999
burning iranian soldiers

What does it smell like when those assholes are blowing up are guys everyday? this ain't a movie, someone should skull fuck you

dog

What PsychoMike fails to realize is that THIS ISN'T THE FUCKING POLITICS FORUM.

Take this shit where it belongs.

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
dude dont waste your time..as much as I like Jeton..on this particular subject..he makes his own logic to support his arguements..

:rolleyes: have another beer and dont crash your truck, goober. :hw:

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:rolleyes: have another beer and dont crash your truck, goober. :hw:

wow..just about what I expected :p

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
wow..just about what I expected :p

u didnt expect a genuine reaction to your empty attempt at an insult, didja?

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
thanks cojay, but i already have a general sense of what counterintelligence entails per se. i'm particularly interested in the more controversial excursion of DOD personnel into what amounts to direct political activity/advocacy on US soil under the guise of traditional 'counter intelligence'..

Why are you always looking to find dirt or underhanded activity by the government? We are just Americans like everyone else. Do bad things happen? Sometimes. It just like any other governement or company. Are some police officers fucked up? yup.

There is no concerted effort to break the law or screw civilians..... we dont have green blood or microchips in our brain!!! Come on man. 99% of us do our job and are guided by the laws and constitution and 99% of the time we recieve lawful just instruction. I would also submit that when we dont the truth almost always comes out.

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
u didnt expect a genuine reaction to your empty attempt at an insult, didja?

frankly I didnt care if you responded or not..on this particular subject..you have no objective comments to make..what I dont get is if you have so many issues about the way things are run..why dont you do something to change them positively insteading of yelling about life on a web-site..oh and jeton if I want to insult you..I would do it to your face..not on the site :rolleyes:

tonguechow

Would it be better to read........................

News: Iran launches surprise nuclear missile attacks!!

Iran launched successful nuclear missile attacks today. Tel Aviv, London, and New York City were destroyed. Millions of civilians were killed, with tens of millions more injured and missing. A US official, who asked not to be named, said, "We were totally caught by surprise at the power and the accuracy of the Iranian missiles. We just didn't see this coming."

President Clinton, from deep inside a bunker at a military complex in Nebraska said that the US response would be swift. She said that she would immediately draft a letter to be delivered to the United Nations demanding that the United Nations force Iran to the negotiation table so a compromise could be worked out and that there could be peace again between the two countries again. President Clinton promised that the letter would contain stern and harsh language.

=================

The president of Iran has been making speeches for years about the destruction of Israel and the United States and the West. Are we supposed to guess that he's just another great actor like Sadam Husain was and they he really doens't want to destroy Israel and the United States and that their nuclear program is really just to make electric power?? Are well all ready to take that chance?

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
1) Why are you always looking to find dirt or underhanded activity by the government? We are just Americans like everyone else. Do bad things happen? Sometimes. 2) It just like any other governement or company. Are some police officers fucked up? yup.

3) There is no concerted effort to break the law or screw civilians..... 4) we dont have green blood or microchips in our brain!!! Come on man. 5) 99% of us do our job and are guided by the laws and constitution and 99% of the time we recieve lawful just instruction. 6) I would also submit that when we dont the truth almost always comes out.

1) i dont usually, but when it's time to search for corruption of just about ANY kind, the US DOD has been a reliable go-to for decades now...:(

2) exactly...Governments have been a primary scourge of humanity forever. in that sense, our government is not as bad as most in INTENT...it is the much greater level of power that encourages our government to explore deeper levelsof corruption.

3) you lie, the current Executive has essentially asserted rogue power, and it's only now a question of watching it haggle with the Congress to see if the latter is spineless enough to let rogue power fully unleash.

4) hopefully YOU dont...i wouldn't speak for anyone else if i were you, unless you're on payroll...

5) i have long been pleased to know there are sincere public servants in the US Government, who do their jobs always with a keen eye towards the character of stewardship advocated by our Founders. nowhere have i seen evidence that the percentile of such employees approaches the 90's, let alone "99%"...that leaves many far more corrupt public servants in play.

6) except when it doesn't, and while there's no way to truly be sure of how often THAT happens, we can certainly infer. like when Clinton ordered most government documents be declassified after 25 years (as opposed to the Nixonian FORTY) and the CIA, NSA and other agencies simply said "no.". that was in 1994 i believe...never got to hear how that all resolved. let alone learn what they were trying to collectively hide...

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
frankly I didnt care if you responded or not..on this particular subject..you have no objective comments to make..what I dont get is if you have so many issues about the way things are run..why dont you do something to change them positively insteading of yelling about life on a web-site..oh and jeton if I want to insult you..I would do it to your face..not on the site :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: dont fukn try telling me what comments i have to make, make your own and defend them. if you wanna bullshit in circles you came to the wrong place, now substantiate your little slanders or enjoy my insults to you...:yes:

i wanna read your pretense at 'objectivity'... :rolleye2:

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:rolleyes: dont fukn try telling me what comments i have to make, make your own and defend them. if you wanna bullshit in circles you came to the wrong place, now substantiate your little slanders or enjoy my insults to you...:yes:

i wanna read your pretense at 'objectivity'... :rolleye2:

dude to me the only thing weaker then your insults is your immune system..oh and the :rolleyes: is such a nice touch :D

TruckdriverRick

facts confuse you easily.why am I not suprised.. :cool:

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
dude to me the only thing weaker then your insults is your immune system..oh and the :rolleyes: is such a nice touch :D

listen up u alc-poisoned, brain-damaged chud...the idea of you attempting to argue anything at all is laughable. unless you want to argue about how to develop a misshapen face, rotten liver and how to make shit-eating calls to the ROundtable...you might have some cred there . :hw:

emtfromny2

There are contingency plans for probably every country in the world. If they didn't have a pre-plan then we would be scrambling if Iran fucked with us. I say great, better to be prepared just in case. Don't mistake that for wanting to go to war because that should alway be the absolute last option. :usa:

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
listen up u alc-poisoned, brain-damaged chud...the idea of you attempting to argue anything at all is laughable. unless you want to argue about how to develop a misshapen face, rotten liver and how to make shit-eating calls to the ROundtable...you might have some cred there . :hw:

tony..tony..tony..the true sad part about this is that you actually believe the dribble you write..how ironic is it that a guy who lives off the state..and is about as ugly as ugly can be would insult others..tony..your insults dont bother me..the truth is you are a babbling idiot..with some delusion that you matter.. :cool: ..oh and unlike yours my liver works fine..guess my immune system is in better shape too :D

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
tony..tony..tony..the true sad part about this is that you actually believe the dribble you write..how ironic is it that a guy who lives off the state..and is about as ugly as ugly can be would insult others..tony..your insults dont bother me..the truth is you are a babbliong idiot..with some delusion that you matter.. :cool: ..oh and unlike yours my liver works fine..guess my immune system is in better shape too :D

:lol: TDR gettin all brainy on me...:funny:

"dribble"

"ugly as can be"(!)

what's the matter, Ricky? did your pet pig decline to lick the grape jelly off ya?

Jeton

well thats all she wrote for this mutha...

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:lol: TDR gettin all brainy on me...:funny:

"dribble"

"ugly as can be"(!)

what's the matter, Ricky? did your pet pig decline to lick the grape jelly off ya?

Speaking of grapes......has your ass stopped bleeding? :)

TruckdriverRick

[QUOTE=Jeton]:lol: TDR gettin all brainy on me...:funny:

"dribble"

"ugly as can be"(!)

what's the matter, Ricky? did your pet pig decline to lick the grape jelly off ya? [/QUOTE ohhh man first the truckdriver jokes..then the alcohol jokes..now a pet-pig joke..man tony you are quick.. :D

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by GHP
Speaking of grapes......has your ass stopped bleeding? :)

hopefully his ass will quit bleeding at the sametime his immune systen gives out...

Fizzbin

Quote: Originally posted by navinjohnson999
it will be air strikes only

NO U.S. BOOTS WILL GO INTO IRAN

Air strikes against Iran will fail to accomplish anything , like they failed in Iraq and southeast asia. They will only kill lots of civilains , futher inflame the muslims and prompt more violence. The Bush admin seems to be being run by the Israeli lobby now, since they seem to be the only ones in the world who would benifit from an air attack on Iran. The Israelis dont care about inflaming the muslims (Iran has already vowed to destroy israel) , The israelis dont care if the US is further isolated in the international community. The israelies want irans nuclear plants destroyed at any cost before the iranians can stockpile significant amounts of fissile material.

The Bush Admin would love to invade Iran, overthrow the goverment and install a "Democracy" to oversee its oil wealth. But they cant , they dont have the manpower. Declaring a state of war and instituting a draft would take an extrodinary set of circumstances. like perhaps a massive invasion of Iraq by Iran in response to a US airstrike. Or a missile attack on Israel by Iran in response to a US air strike.

Does an Iran with nukes really represent a great threat to the US ? They dont even have missiles that can reach the US. Why cant we counter Irans nuclear arsenal the same way as the russian and chinese ? By preparing to retaliate if attacked.

Irans training and support for Shitite Militias in the Iraq war is just a bullshit smokescreen being used to justify the attack. During Vietnam the ussr and chinese provided the north vietnamese with billions of dollars worth of their most sophisitcated weapons. In all wars diffrent factions always have people giving them weapons This justification is as phony as the WMD lie.

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
1) i dont usually, but when it's time to search for corruption of just about ANY kind, the US DOD has been a reliable go-to for decades now...:(

2) exactly...Governments have been a primary scourge of humanity forever. in that sense, our government is not as bad as most in INTENT...it is the much greater level of power that encourages our government to explore deeper levelsof corruption.

3) you lie, the current Executive has essentially asserted rogue power, and it's only now a question of watching it haggle with the Congress to see if the latter is spineless enough to let rogue power fully unleash.

4) hopefully YOU dont...i wouldn't speak for anyone else if i were you, unless you're on payroll...

5) i have long been pleased to know there are sincere public servants in the US Government, who do their jobs always with a keen eye towards the character of stewardship advocated by our Founders. nowhere have i seen evidence that the percentile of such employees approaches the 90's, let alone "99%"...that leaves many far more corrupt public servants in play.

6) except when it doesn't, and while there's no way to truly be sure of how often THAT happens, we can certainly infer. like when Clinton ordered most government documents be declassified after 25 years (as opposed to the Nixonian FORTY) and the CIA, NSA and other agencies simply said "no.". that was in 1994 i believe...never got to hear how that all resolved. let alone learn what they were trying to collectively hide...

Your mistrust in government seems to be based in myth and fantasy. Too many movies maybe? The government and DoD have obviously taken part in corrupt activity in the past but that pales in comparison to the amount of honest efforts. Therefore without concrete evidence supporting your current accusations - I give us the benefit of doubt.

Those of us in DoD know one thing for sure, our bottom line isnt a profit, its a mission and we sure as hell arent doing this job for the money.

Your last statement about declassifying intelligence exposes your basic lack of understanding about intelligence. To start we work with oversight that prevents us from conducting collection on domestic activity. That has been altered only for specifc elements of the community since 9/11 because we recognized the need to defend against internal threats.

Your assertion that the CIA and NSA did not want to declassify information in order to hide some of their dirty activitites is wrong.

Declassifying intelligence does two things....

1. Likely exposes a source (human or otherwise) which we will no longer be able to use in order to collect on enemies.

2. Has the potential to cause the execution or imprisonment of the source.

Do you see why 25 years might not be long enough?

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
hopefully his ass will quit bleeding at the sametime his immune systen gives out...

Aw.....Jeton's just a poor gay Muslim with issues. I don't want him to die.

He's too much fun. :)

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by GHP
Aw.....Jeton's just a poor gay Muslim with issues. I don't want him to die.

He's too much fun. :)

hard to believe that the guy I have met in person is such a tool..and no I dont want him to die either..I would rather he live in the squalor that is his pathetic life for many..many more years

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
Your mistrust in government seems to be based in myth and fantasy. Too many movies maybe? The government and DoD have obviously taken part in corrupt activity in the past but that pales in comparison to the amount of honest efforts. Therefore without concrete evidence supporting your current accusations - I give us the benefit of doubt.

Those of us in DoD know one thing for sure, our bottom line isnt a profit, its a mission and we sure as hell arent doing this job for the money.

Your last statement about declassifying intelligence exposes your basic lack of understanding about intelligence. To start we work with oversight that prevents us from conducting collection on domestic activity. That has been altered only for specifc elements of the community since 9/11 because we recognized the need to defend against internal threats.

Your assertion that the CIA and NSA did not want to declassify information in order to hide some of their dirty activitites is wrong.

Declassifying intelligence does two things....

1. Likely exposes a source (human or otherwise) which we will no longer be able to use in order to collect on enemies.

2. Has the potential to cause the execution or imprisonment of the source.

Do you see why 25 years might not be long enough?

do you find it ironic that you are wasting your typing skills arguing with a guy who has absolutely no knowledge of what you do..in fact has no knowledge about anything more taxing then how to get his meds/rent and everything else for free..from the same gov't that he slams..another in the great mysteries that make tony..tony

GHP

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
hard to believe that the guy I have met in person is such a tool..and no I dont want him to die either..I would rather he live in the squalor that is his pathetic life for many..many more years

I've teased him before until he imploded, then felt bad afterwards. Been there, done that.

He's a living contradiction of himself. How can you not love it? :)

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by GHP
I've teased him before until he imploded, then felt bad afterwards. Been there, done that.

He's a living contradiction of himself. How can you not love it? :)

all I can say is tony is sooo easy to provoke..and it irritates him to no end that his insults have no effect :D

bcmiller

We faced down the Soviet Union, they had thousands of deliverable nuclear weapons. We trade with China they also have deliverable nuclear weapons. Now, we are so afraid of a country with no real navy, air force or army; no nuclear weapons or possibility to have them for a decade (according to the CIA); that we must preemptively attack this country in the interest of our own security. Really?

In the meantime, we arm Saudi Arabia (home of most of the 9/11 hijackers and the source of most of the foreign fighters in Iraq); we support a nuclear power and military dictatorship in Pakistan.

We should not repeat the mistakes of Iraq by invading other countries without provocation. This is not Germany in the 30's we are supposed to be the good guys. Israel can defend themselves, they have over 20 nuclear missiles and a strong military. If anything, we hold them back.

Jeton

^^classic DOD-employee circular style of argument^^...u make joking references to X-Files tropes about green blood and lizard people, then believ your own hype. regarding declassification, you talk too easily out of your ass. the agencies were still allowed to redact documents ad nauseum, the CLinton order was simply to expedite declassification of otherwise routine documents, whihc agencies could except AT WILL. why is 40 years enough tten? wouldn't 75 be even better? think of the assets that could be turned if they knew their GRANDCHILDREN might be protected from document dislcosure! :rolleyes:

as usual, you express good-natured "common sense" sentiments about why we must continue to afford the government greater power, greater control of our lives, greater automony from our input and greater immunity from redress of our grievances. should i be surprised you express no sense of that?

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
^^classic DOD-employee circular style of argument^^...u make joking references to X-Files tropes about green blood and lizard people, then believ your own hype. regarding declassification, you talk too easily out of your ass. the agencies were still allowed to redact documents ad nauseum, the CLinton order was simply to expedite declassification of otherwise routine documents, whihc agencies could except AT WILL. why is 40 years enough tten? wouldn't 75 be even better? think of the assets that could be turned if they knew their GRANDCHILDREN might be protected from document dislcosure! :rolleyes:

as usual, you express good-natured "common sense" sentiments about why we must continue to afford the government greater power, greater control of our lives, greater automony from our input and greater immunity from redress of our grievances. should i be surprised you express no sense of that?

is english your 1st language..cuz obviously spelling is a problem for you..oh and how would you know what any type of "classic" employee speak is...exactly how many years have you now been unemployed and sponging off the state?? :cool:

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
all I can say is tony is sooo easy to provoke..and it irritates him to no end that his insults have no effect :D

you cant really think you're provocative in any way, riiiight?:funny:

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
you cant really think you're provocative in any way, riiiight?:funny:

tony..tony..tony..dont have to be provocative to out-think you..its almost too easy..now why dont you go hand out leaflets at the airport or something little guy..adults are talking here :p

Jeton

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
tony..tony..tony..dont have to be provocative to out-think you..its almost too easy..now why dont you go hand out leaflets at the airport or something little guy..adults are talking here :p

:funny: beetljuice in an einstein costume...

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:funny: beetljuice in an einstein costume...

so you are confessing that beet is smarter then you too??

Cojayc

Quote: Originally posted by TruckdriverRick
do you find it ironic that you are wasting your typing skills arguing with a guy who has absolutely no knowledge of what you do..in fact has no knowledge about anything more taxing then how to get his meds/rent and everything else for free..from the same gov't that he slams..another in the great mysteries that make tony..tony

Youre right and im done. He is more arrogant and stubborn telling me about what I do than Generals and Admirals that I have worked for. Must be nice to be supported by the govt while sitting back and throwing baseless accusations back at the govt.

TruckdriverRick

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
Youre right and im done. He is more arrogant and stubborn telling me about what I do than Generals and Admirals that I have worked for. Must be nice to be supported by the govt while sitting back and throwing baseless accusations back at the govt.

that about sums it up..tony is one of those who do nothing..but bitch..kinda cunty he is :D

Stonewall

The Iran situation is certainly a mess and that fact is nothing new.

An air strike on Iran will not really help at all. At least with the nuclear program. We cannot destroy what we do not know about. And, we don't know where Iran currently has a hidden nuclear program. We can destroy what we do know about, but they can re-build and even hide what they have rebuilt.

We should make life miserable for them on the Iraqi border. Sending flights over their border and destroying anti-aircraft installations and things like that. Perhaps drawing out their Navy for destruction. Just a general state of harassment on many fronts. Our version of what they do.

If we do begin bombing Iran then we had better really make it very bad for Iran. Targeting the leadership of Iran, their military in all of it's forms. Level military bases, troops, anything and everything having to do with supporting the regime. We can't do half measures here. Because the minute we do begin a limited air strike they unleash the terror. And they are in the U.S. and they are in many place around the globe.

I would go with the general harassment policy.

Abba

Quote: Originally posted by Cojayc
Fuck Bill Oreilly. There is overwhelming evidence that Iran supports Shiite militias and insurgents in Iraq, militarily and politically. That fact is not debated by Republicans or Democrats, the Iranian ambassador admitted Shiite support during a recent interview and Iranian leaders have threatened to create further chaos in Iraq if attacked.

When you achieve any substantial level of knowledge on this subject, let me know and we can debate it further.

Please. debating with you is like beating the shit out of a quadraplegic toddler. :rolleyes:
Of course Iran is going to support the opposition, nimrod. We're right on their border, and we have a long and well documented history of mucking in their affairs, overthrowing a couple of their governments, using sanctions against them, and agitating against them for decades.
Do you fuckin think that they like us? Think again, if you can...

It's people like you, who have no regard for anyone else, who care not about the lives of innocent people who happen to live above our precious oil, that give America a bad name and get assholes like W elected. In 2000, no one could really blame us, it was all on him.
In 2004, it was all us. We reelected him, even after we found out what kind of apocalytpic scumbag cocksucker he and his buddies are.

People have legitimate reasons for hating us. Our policies of hatred and bloodlust, our disregard for anyone but ourselves, and our wars of conquest have all shown the world what our country's truly about, namely, greed and a thirst for the blood of children. Congratulations, you're a small part of the greater movement that has sealed the fate of my country. Looks like the American Empire is not long for this world, much to my lament.

Now kindly go kill yourself, asshole. :fu:

Abba

Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The Iran situation is certainly a mess and that fact is nothing new.

An air strike on Iran will not really help at all. At least with the nuclear program. We cannot destroy what we do not know about. And, we don't know where Iran currently has a hidden nuclear program. We can destroy what we do know about, but they can re-build and even hide what they have rebuilt.

We should make life miserable for them on the Iraqi border. Sending flights over their border and destroying anti-aircraft installations and things like that. Perhaps drawing out their Navy for destruction. Just a general state of harassment on many fronts. Our version of what they do.

If we do begin bombing Iran then we had better really make it very bad for Iran. Targeting the leadership of Iran, their military in all of it's forms. Level military bases, troops, anything and everything having to do with supporting the regime. We can't do half measures here. Because the minute we do begin a limited air strike they unleash the terror. And they are in the U.S. and they are in many place around the globe.

I would go with the general harassment policy.

I'm glad you're not in charge then, because as usual, your grasp of the situation is limited to fear and your own personal cowardice. :rolleyes: Did you get the piss stains out of your panties yet, little girl?

I wonder if no other counttry in the world would object to our wanton destruction. Russia's been flexing it's muscle, and it does alot of business with Iran. Likewise with China. Both are 2 powerful Nation's that can cause us problems, at the very least by giving Iran weaponry to counter our barbarism.

Isn't it great that we have such childish idiots in charge? Bush and his moronic buddies haven't even TRIED to talk to Iran and Syria. They haven't even tried to reign in the other animals in the region, the Israelis. People seem to think that Iran will be the same cakewalk that Iraq was. I think we have another thing coming. Iran has access to the Persian Gulf, and can cause HAVOC throughout all the shipping lanes in that region. There is abolutely no doubt that they ahve special forces in place throughout the Arabian Peninsula, especially near our bases in Qatar and SA. They can truly fuck us, but hey, who cares. Let them fight back a little, so we can further widen the war, and escalate to where we NEED to deploy ground troops, get a draft going, get bogged down in a protracted Quagmire as we fight the Persian Nation, and eventually drop nukes for the second time in human history, incinerating a few million people who only fought back against a foreign invader, something we would otherwise applaude and support.

How is it that many Americans don't realise that for the first time in our history, WE'RE becoming the Bad Guys??? 5.5 billion people can't all be wrong when most of them say they don't like us.