| zimmie |
In the debate last night, no electable Democratic candidate (Hillairity, Obama, Edwards)would commit to withdrawing our troops by the end of their first term in January 2013.
Where's the outrage?....you've been duped again!......lmao |
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| zimmie |
MR. RUSSERT: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term more than five years from now, there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq?
SENATOR OBAMA: I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there.
What I can promise is that if there are still troops in Iraq when I take office, which it appears there may be unless we can get some of our Republican colleagues to change their mind and cut off funding without a timetable, if there's no timetable, then I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we're carrying out counterterrorism activities there.
I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out.
MR. RUSSERT: Senator Clinton, Democrats all across the country believed in 2006, when the Democrats were elected to the majority in the House and Senate, that that was a signal to end the war, and the war would end.
You have said that will not pledge to have all troops out by the end of your first term, 2013. Why not?
SENATOR CLINTON: Well, Tim, it is my goal to have all troops out by the end of my first term. But I agree with Barack. It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting. You know, we do not know, walking into the White House in January 2009, what we're going to find. What is the state of planning for withdrawal?
That's why last spring I began pressing the Pentagon to be very clear about whether or not they were planning to bring our troops out. And what I found was that they weren't doing the kind of planning that is necessary, and we've been pushing them very hard to do so.
You know, with respect to the question, though, about the Democrats taking control of the Congress, I think the Democrats have pushed extremely hard to change this president's course in Iraq. Today I joined with many of my colleagues in voting for Senator Biden's plan, slightly different than he'd been presenting it, but still the basic structure was to move toward what is a de facto partition if the Iraqi people and government so choose.
The Democrats keep voting for what we believe would be a better course. Unfortunately as you know so well, the Democrats don't have the majority in the Senate to be able to get past that 60-vote blockade that the Republicans can still put up. But I think every one of us who is still in the Senate -- Senator Biden, Senator Dodd, Senator Obama and myself -- we are trying every single day. And of course, Congressman Kucinich is in the House.
But I think it is fair to say that the president has made it clear. He intends to have about 100,000 or so troops when he leaves office -- the height of irresponsibility, that he would leave this war to his successor. I will immediately move to begin bringing our troops home when I am inaugurated.
MR. RUSSERT: Senator Edwards, will you commit that at the end of your first term, in 2013, all U.S. troops will be out of Iraq?
MR. EDWARDS: I cannot make that commitment. I -- well, I can tell you what I would do as president. If I -- when I'm sworn into office come January of 2009, if there are in fact, as General Petraeus suggests, 100,000 American troops on the ground in Iraq, I will immediately draw down 40 (thousand) to 50,000 troops and, over the course of the next several months, continue to bring our combat troops out of Iraq until all of our combat troops are in fact out of Iraq.
I think the problem is, and it's what you've just heard discussed, is, we will maintain an embassy in Baghdad. That embassy has to be protected. We will probably have humanitarian workers in Iraq. Those humanitarian workers have to be protected. I think somewhere in the neighborhood of a brigade of troops will be necessary to accomplish that -- 3,500 to 5,000 troops.
But I do say -- I want to add to things I just heard. I think that it's true that everyone up here wants to take a responsible course to end the war in Iraq. There are, however, differences between us, and those differences need to be made aware. Good people have differences about this issue. For example, I heard Senator Clinton say on Sunday that she wants to continue combat missions in Iraq. To me, that's a continuation of the war. I do not think we should continue combat missions in Iraq, and when I'm on a stage with the Republican nominee come the fall of 2008, I'm going to make it clear that I'm for ending the war. And the debate will be between a Democrat who wants to bring the war to an end, get all American combat troops out of Iraq, and a Republican who wants to continue the war. |
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| Rike |
| Even Edwards let them down. :D |
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| Pete From PA |
| Face it, we're fucking doomed. Dem or Rep, doesn't matter. Assume Fox viewing positions... |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| None of these guys is running on a platform of "I will order the immediate withdrawal of the troops". Nobody's been duped, our system is set up so that these national elections are bought and sold, not voted on. We're getting exactly what we deserve. |
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| mb33139 |
We have to maintain a presence in Iraq thanks to the bumbling republican jackasses that have so screwed up the whole Iraq situation. Our "presence" though, does not have to be an occupation nor does it require the amount of troops we currently have. Additionally, our "presence" does not have, to be, nor should it be unilateral. Unfortunately, the wacko right wing neocon administration has used the whole "war" as a political and financial power grab to further their own agenda.
While the democrats are not without corruption themselves, things will get somewhat better when they take over. Regrettably, things are so bad now, nothing short of a miraculous improvement would even be noticed.... |
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| zimmie |
Quote: Originally posted by mb33139
We have to maintain a presence in Iraq thanks to the bumbling republican jackasses that have so screwed up the whole Iraq situation. Our "presence" though, does not have to be an occupation nor does it require the amount of troops we currently have. Additionally, our "presence" does not have, to be, nor should it be unilateral. Unfortunately, the wacko right wing neocon administration has used the whole "war" as a political and financial power grab to further their own agenda.
While the democrats are not without corruption themselves, things will get somewhat better when they take over. Regrettably, things are so bad now, nothing short of a miraculous improvement would even be noticed.... |
here's a duper!......lmao.............. |
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| mb33139 |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
here's a duper!......lmao.............. |
yawn. |
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| zimmie |
Quote: Originally posted by mb33139
yawn. |
while you have your mouth open, slip Hilliary's dick in it... |
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| Tomofnnh |
| Does zimmie want the war to end? |
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| zimmie |
| sure I do....everyone does...except the Democrats |
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| mr wrong |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
In the debate last night, no electable Democratic candidate (Hillairity, Obama, Edwards)would commit to withdrawing our troops by the end of their first term in January 2013.
Where's the outrage?....you've been duped again!......lmao |
Quote: It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting. You know, we do not know, walking into the White House in January 2009, what we're going to find. What is the state of planning for withdrawal?
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With all the secrecy shrouding this administration, it makes sense. If a Democrat wins the presidency, the transition will be a mess. It will be interesting to see how much of their "classified" info Bush/Cheney will disclose to the new administration. I'd be willing to bet that once it's all sorted this war will be a bigger cluster-fuck than we could have ever imagined.
Besides, once again, what's the GOP plan, you duped cocksucker? |
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| mb33139 |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
while you have your mouth open, slip Hilliary's dick in it... |
Quite the intellect there zimmie. I see your homosexual tendencies help you visualize every woman as a man.
You should hook up with Joey Boots. He can help you come to terms with your latent homosexuality.... Maybe then people would take you more seriously. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
sure I do....everyone does...except the Democrats |
:lol: :lol: |
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