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| hingefactor |
I think all the fighting between Dems and Repubs is weaking our country.
Not only that, but i'm really getting sick of the constant labeling of libral vs. conservative. Isn't it quite possible to be a bit of both?
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| Reed Rothchild |
| I don't think that it's so much the two party system, rather than the money system. It's no longer about who has the most popular message, or who is the best candidate. It's all about who can raise the most money to buy the support of the corporate media. At the very least, these national elections should be publicly financed with some kind of cap on spending, and FCC broadcast licenses should come with a requirement that political ads during these elections are either free or have some kind of cap on the cost involved. Then we might hear some honest political debate in this country. |
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| CrackHead_Fan |
| How do you get rid of it? The 2-party system is the result of the natural evolution of the American political process. |
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| hingefactor |
Ever see the movie Breaking Away?
At it's center is a bicycle race called "The Little 500"
In this race (it's a real thing, takes place in Bloomington Indiana) all of the racers ride exactly the same bicycle.
At the beginning of the race, you hear an official say "Gentleman, mount your Roadmaster Bicycles"
And away they all go on their 40 lb piece of shit bikes.
In the case, truly the best man wins.
That's the way our elections should be run.
No more of this BS mega campaigning 2 years in advance of the election.
Now that we live in the world where somehow newstards like Bill O'Reilly and friends actually are taken seriously, the whole concept of a fair election is gone.
Why, because people watch too much fucking TV, and many people believe what they see. |
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| hingefactor |
Quote: Originally posted by CrackHead_Fan
How do you get rid of it? The 2-party system is the result of the natural evolution of the American political process. |
I don't know what the answer is. I wish I did, but I don't think the 2 party system as it's evolved is what the founding fathers hoped for. It's a mess. |
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| CrackHead_Fan |
| Yay, Cutters! |
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| hingefactor |
Quote: Originally posted by CrackHead_Fan
Yay, Cutters! |
Exactly |
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| Porcupine |
Multi-party systems aren't all that pretty either.
The problem with US politics is that the federal government has overstepped its Constitutional duties and has infringed way too much on the free market. The money that lobbiests are pouring into Washington is the logical results of this. Some of them are just trying to protect their business, but many of them are trying to use the government for their own gain (by getting them to pass legislation that will squash competition).
The media is complicit, but in the end, it's the people who are ultimately responsible for fact that the true potential of the freedoms that this country was founded upon has yet to be unleashed. |
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| hingefactor |
Quote: Originally posted by Porcupine
Multi-party systems aren't all that pretty either.
The problem with US politics is that the federal government has overstepped its Constitutional duties and has infringed way too much on the free market. The money that lobbiests are pouring into Washington is the logical results of this. Some of them are just trying to protect their business, but many of them are trying to use the government for their own gain (by getting them to pass legislation that will squash competition).
The media is complicit, but in the end, it's the people who are ultimately responsible for fact that the true potential of the freedoms that this country was founded upon has yet to be unleashed. |
So do you think that the lobbiests that are helping to destroy our country are more out for themselves (greed) then the good of the country they live in.
I do.
I think that's at the core of why the US is so fucked right now. |
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| zimmie |
| It's really a one party system if you look beyond the rhetoric. |
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| JTProcess |
Wow every once in a while Zimmie actually says something that makes sense.
way to go grampa zim. |
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| Porcupine |
Quote: Originally posted by hingefactor
So do you think that the lobbiests that are helping to destroy our country are more out for themselves (greed) then the good of the country they live in. |
Yes, it's the self-interest of business owners that has created the entire concept of Washington lobbiests.
Naive politicians and voters believe this problem can be resolved with things like the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law.
If you want to get rid of the symptom of lobbiests, you have to cure the disease of the federal government's unconstitutional interference in the free market. Everything else will just be putting bandaids on top of already existing bandaids, which will only cause the infected wound that's festering underneath it to get worse. |
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| Ass Boil |
Zimmie, you are a fucking moron.
You think one party covers the ideas of hateful pricks like Fred Thompson to a true leftist like Dennis Kucinich?
If anything, the ideas of all the candidates could be easily divided into 4 or 5 parties.
stop sniffing glue, you ignorant cunt. |
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| zimmie |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Zimmie, you are a fucking moron.
You think one party covers the ideas of hateful pricks like Fred Thompson to a true leftist like Dennis Kucinich?
If anything, the ideas of all the candidates could be easily divided into 4 or 5 parties.
stop sniffing glue, you ignorant cunt. |
whoa there corky..........obviously what I've said is way over your head...why do you care anyway, you've never supported anyone |
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| Porcupine |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
You think one party covers the ideas of hateful pricks like Fred Thompson to a true leftist like Dennis Kucinich?
If anything, the ideas of all the candidates could be easily divided into 4 or 5 parties. |
One party promotes people like Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Thompson, Giuliani and Romney and marginalizes people like Kucinich, Gravel and Paul. |
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| JTProcess |
I think Zimmie's actually pretty correct on that sentiment AB... look at the way Hillary is "leading in all the polls" - I have talked to very few people who would endorse her and yet somehow she will probably win the democratic nomination.
We live in a corporatocracy where big business buys out candidates on both sides.
Bill Hicks summed it up better than anyone probably ever has...
"hey I think the puppet on the left is closer to my beliefs... well I think the puppet on the right is more in line with the way I feel... hey wait a minute... there's one guy holding up both puppets... GO BACK TO BED AMERICA... YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL... HERE'S AMERICAN GLADIATORS... WATCH THESE PITUITARY RETARDS KILL EACH OTHER WHILE YOU GET FATTER AND STUPIDER" |
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| Fizzbin |
If we really have a functioning politcal system , why is it that it never seems to matter much whos in power ? Is Bill Clinton that diffrent from Bush the elder ? Aside from a few extremists on both sides of the politcal spectrum there is really only one party , the RebloCrats. Its interesting to note that the percentage of US senators re-elected every election is the same as in one party systems like the old USSR. The repubs and dems cooperate with each other to divide power , and maintain the illusion of being adversarys . Most political debate is confined to nonsense issues like gay marrage or stem cell research. Even debates about the Iraq war are meaningless now that the US is trapped in a quagmire and wont be able to pull out for decades. All the while the real business of washington (looting the treasury) goes on every day.
There is no solution to this problem. A plutocracy (rule by the wealthy) is the inevitible state of all goverments. If one were to create a hundred political parties overnight , eventually they would collapse back into one party rule. |
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| cunning lingo |
| Baby steps..... Get rid of Lobbyist and special interest money. ( PAC and big buisness monies) - Give the candidates that get the signatures , the same money , and make them campaign on the same playing field.... |
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| betabryan |
We have started the Focus Party.
It's a 3rd party whose members agree to focus and give PRIORITY to:
1. National Security
2. Protection of Borders
3. Fiscal responsibility
4. Promote business competition
5. Protection of the environment
Our members are on both sides of all other issues such as:
1. Abortion
2. Gay marriage
3. Gun control
4. Condoms in schools
5. Local education
etc, etc, etc.
Either join us or go back to bickering between Dems and Reps. |
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