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| Ass Boil |
AC, that is because you are a good, tolerant human being while Stompedballs is an inbred, cross-burning asshole.
The day you agree with Stumpy's views on something should be the day you reevaluate your entire life. LOL |
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| Ass Boil |
Am I wrong, or did Stumpy McFucknuts just CRITCIZE the left for wanting society to "evolve"?
Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!!!
perfect. |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Stumpy, maybe they wil discover the gene that causes one to become a braindead conservative like yourself and we can "fix" that so society won't be bothered with your kind of regressive ideas anymore?
One can only dream! |
just like in "everyone says i love you"? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
It takes all kinds.
I've debated Stoney before. I know he's very right-wing. But, frankly, this view stopped me in my tracks. I really wasn't ready for something that backwoods to come from him.
My bad, I guess. |
I am not right-wing. I'm a conservative as far as the National Government is concerned. I'm fairly liberal when it comes to State Government. I'm all for people voting and setting up whatever rights they want, living in a free society.
I have nothing against homosexuals.
However we all know that if parents are given a chance to "fix" the fetus, I'm sure they would. And, everyone knows this is correct. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
I DONT THINK THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH DECIDEING IF A SECOND GRADER SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GAY , AND WHAT IS NOT GAY. I DONT THINK GAYNESS OR NON_GAYNESS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE SECOND GRADE LEVEL. I DONT THINK IT NEEDS TO BE INTRODUCED AT THE SECOND GRADE LEVEL.
Now you can continue to lash out like a bunch of fucking cunts, or you can try to understand what I've been trying to say. The school shouldn't be involved . Period. And introducing a gay book , because the gays want thier hand in it, is no different than the fucking christians wanting prayer...... |
no, fool, you dont need to teach children Christian doctrine in order for them to know there are CHristians in their classroom and in their society they must respect, and they dont need to know the ins and outs of gay sex to know that there are gays in their classroom and in their society that they must respect.
by excluding queers what you really do is intentionally send the message that gays are NOT a part of society, whihc is a religious agenda having noplace in school. school is a place tolearn CIVICS, including the CIVICS of functioning in a pluralistic society that very much includes gays.
try again. :rolleyes: |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
You say you are not gay... will you also say, you have never been gay?
:)
Anyway, homosexual activity should be taught in no class in school unless it is taught as a mental illness.
I guess in ten years we will be teaching second graders that cannibalism is just another lifestyle... |
you are a base idiot, and have no science to support your wretched slanders, which have been scientifically refuted for decades. i dare you to try and present some, yet we both know you spin more circles than a dradel when confronted with arguments you cant win.
amuse us: try. :rolleyes: |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
What would your description of it be?
Our brains are what make us think and behave in certain ways. Clearly homosexuality cannot be "normal" mentally. If that were the case humans would never have made it out of the jungles. We would not have been able to propagate. Is it not normal to create the next generation? |
your idiotic assertions bear no resemblnace to scientific theory, experiment or observation...homosexuality is observed as an adaptive trait throughout the animal kingdom, and has been a consistent subset of the sexual behavior of human beings since pre-history. furthermore, it is well-known that almost any given person's list of humanity's greatest thinkers is very disproportionately weighted with people of homosexual or bisexual orientation. This would be consistent with gay men in particular showing a larger and more functional ichthyus of the corpus colluscum (the neural strand connecting left and right brain hemispheres) than any other subgroup.
in Evolutionary theory, there is the concept of Individual Fitness (the combo of the robustness/adaptability of a phenotype and it's ability to propagate it's genes) and Group Fitness (the same traits within a group)...homosexuality demonstrably enhances both forms of fitness. cannibalism does not, and your odious comparison is one you will grimly FAIL to substantiate.
as usual.:hw: |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
In the grand scheme of things homosexuality is a minor thing. It's not something that needs to be dealt with, like schizophrenia does, but as we move along in our medical advances I'm sure the gene that creates schizophrenia will be dealt with and while they are there something tells me the minor mental illness of homosexuality will also be dealt with. It is an abnormality. |
Science has already refuted you...your goal is mere political eugenics. You are a burden to 2nd Amendment activism, as you poorly conceal your entirely reflexive malevolance. I will take occasional notes of what reliable RKBA-oriented information you DO occasionally post, and make random sport of you otherwise.
take it personally if you have the wit to do so...:) |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by biker dave
fuck all that gay shit, i so sick and tyred of hearing about dick lickers....Get back in the closet :D |
there is no more closet.:) |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I don't think one has to be "fucking retarded" to be against Gay Marriage. Before this decade there of course was no Gay Marriage.
The Left is in constant evolution when it comes to this society. Although I have failed to see even one good thing that has ever come from the Left. Not one. In fact only horrors be there.
The destruction of the family has been quite a project for the Left for at least 40 years now. They have succeeded in destroying the African-American families. Not quite satisfied with that they continue to assault the rest of American families. It does take a village and the Lefts Public Housing villages have been quite a success at raising a hellish generation of misfits. Misfits who then go on to fill the prisons. Then of course the Left complains of discrimination because their "village" has so many incarcerated. |
Homosexuality is a natural and eternal human trait unconnected to any political ideology, idiot. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
The day you agree with Stumpy's views on something should be the day you reevaluate your entire life. LOL |
:rolleyes: you are wrong, the right to defend oneself from all and sundry, as enshrined in our American 2nd Amendment, is NOT dependent on the vagaries of what this or that circularly-fascistic fool like Stonewall believes. it is not dependent on the particulars of your insults to him, either.
even a broken clock isright twice a day...:) |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I am not right-wing. I'm a conservative as far as the National Government is concerned. I'm fairly liberal when it comes to State Government. I'm all for people voting and setting up whatever rights they want, living in a free society.
I have nothing against homosexuals.
However we all know that if parents are given a chance to "fix" the fetus, I'm sure they would. And, everyone knows this is correct. |
:lol: make less assertions about what 'everyone knows' and concentrate on what you DON'T know. and refrain from disclaiming bigotry, as you are awash with it. Those parents who choose to abort gay fetuses can ensure the average intelligence of their offspring is lower, and that homo sapiens overall progresses more slowly and haphazardly without the intellectual contributions that homosexuals are uniquely equipped to make.
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| Jeton |
| i see that after all these posts, the threadstarter 'cunning lingo' still FAILS to describe the specific passages he finds objectionable within the story in question. it appears he's too embarrassed to admit this thread is an irrational spasm of unexamined prejudice and bigotry on his part. pity him. :cool: |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:lol: make less assertions about what 'everyone knows' and concentrate on what you DON'T know. and refrain from disclaiming bigotry, as you are awash with it. Those parents who choose to abort gay fetuses can ensure the average intelligence of their offspring is lower, and that homo sapiens overall progresses more slowly and haphazardly without the intellectual contributions that homosexuals are uniquely equipped to make.
:rolleye2: |
I guess I did not post what you wanted me to so you just responded as if I did.
I did not say parents would abort the child. I said fix the genetic mistake. And, earlier I had posted that I would not abort, even now with no fix.
But, that did not fit in with what you wanted to believe...
Since you brought up abortion I might as well add that since the infamous Roe v Wade decision this nation has aborted as many children as were people lost by the whole world during WWII, I find it hard to imagine that anyone cares about a loss of contribution or progress from the aborted. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I guess I did not post what you wanted me to so you just responded as if I did.
I did not say parents would abort the child. I said fix the genetic mistake. And, earlier I had posted that I would not abort, even now with no fix.
But, that did not fit in with what you wanted to believe...
Since you brought up abortion I might as well add that since the infamous Roe v Wade decision this nation has aborted as many children as were people lost by the whole world during WWII, I find it hard to imagine that anyone cares about a loss of contribution or progress from the aborted. |
unfortunately not enough care, and abortion is certainly over-relied on as a form of birth-control. nonetheless, the overepresentation of queers in the record of humna intellectual accomplishment has an unavoidable statistical corrollary: loss of an individual 'queer' from the population is a disproportionately larger loss to the intellectual capacity of h.sapiens than a non-queer.
beyond your circular bigotry, you have provided no evidence or argument to support your slander that homosexuality is any sort of 'genetic mistake', as u put it. you have also avoided addressing the evidence to the contrary, that homosexuality is a genetic win that improves the overall individual AND group fitness of homo sapiens, among many other species.
Lastly, that you will AGAIN avoid those points that glare to your detriment is an indication that you are pathologically committed to a set of false assumptions you cant fully elaborate, let alone defend. You're a nutjob on auto-pilot. :) |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
unfortunately not enough care, and abortion is certainly over-relied on as a form of birth-control. nonetheless, the overepresentation of queers in the record of humna intellectual accomplishment has an unavoidable statistical corrollary: loss of an individual 'queer' from the population is a disproportionately larger loss to the intellectual capacity of h.sapiens than a non-queer.
beyond your circular bigotry, you have provided no evidence or argument to support your slander that homosexuality is any sort of 'genetic mistake', as u put it. you have also avoided addressing the evidence to the contrary, that homosexuality is a genetic win that improves the overall individual AND group fitness of homo sapiens, among many other species.
Lastly, that you will AGAIN avoid those points that glare to your detriment is an indication that you are pathologically committed to a set of assumptions you cant fully elaborate, let alone defend. You're a nutjob on auto-pilot. :) |
Is it your contention that Gays are somehow better and smarter than normal people? I guess if that is the case we will in fact suffer because something tells me when it is possible to fix the genetic mistake it will be fixed and I seriously doubt that future parents will "fix" the opposite way and create a gay child from a normal one.
The fact that it is abnormal is clear.
I'm not sure what you mean by "other species"?
Your defense is that animals do it? HAHAHAHAHA... Animals do many things including eating their young, does that make human cannibalism "normal"?
Just because animals do things or some humans act like animals, that does not mean it is "normal". |
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| jigzaw |
Did someone say "fitness"?
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| ChaseDC |
Genetic mistake? Abnormal? the only abnormal people and genetic mistakes are the homophobic, hate mongering bushbots in this country.
Bushbots are the number one reason abortion should be kept legal.
The best part of a bushbot ran down it's mommy's legs. |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Bushbots are the number one reason abortion should be kept legal.
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Actually, if you think about it, it's the other way around. The "Bushbots" aren't the ones having abortions. It's more liberal-minded people that have the abortions. So, really, imagine all the future Democrats that have been aborted. Maybe Bush wouldn't have been re-elected if more of those liberals had been born! |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Actually, if you think about it, it's the other way around. The "Bushbots" aren't the ones having abortions. It's more liberal-minded people that have the abortions. So, really, imagine all the future Democrats that have been aborted. Maybe Bush wouldn't have been re-elected if more of those liberals had been born! |
ok, how about bushbots are the number one reason to use birth control?
Or are more liberal minded people using bc? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
ok, how about bushbots are the number one reason to use birth control?
Or are more liberal minded people using bc? |
I'm sure you'll figure it out, if not maybe your Mommy has something extra for you running down her leg...
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I'm sure you'll figure it out, if not maybe your Mommy has something extra for you running down her leg...
:) |
once again, unoriginal. better stick to regurgitating the talking points. :) |
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| jigzaw |
| You think the second-graders might enjoy children's books about orgies? Maybe a little fisting? |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
1) Is it your contention that Gays are somehow better and smarter than normal people? 2) I guess if that is the case we will in fact suffer because something tells me when it is possible to fix the genetic mistake it will be fixed and I seriously doubt that future parents will "fix" the opposite way and create a gay child from a normal one.
3) The fact that it is abnormal is clear.
4) I'm not sure what you mean by "other species"?
5) Your defense is that animals do it? HAHAHAHAHA... Animals do many things including eating their young, does that make human cannibalism "normal"?
Just because animals do things or some humans act like animals, that does not mean it is "normal". |
1) I make no 'contention', i confront you with the established fact that gay men in particular are found to have a longer and thicker and more dense ichthyus of the corpus colluscum, and also draw your attention to the statistical over-abundance of especially brilliant gay men throughout history. You would rename these established facts as my 'contentions' because your habit is to rename all established facts that refute you as opinions or 'contentions'.
refute me, piggy, g'head and try. :dm:
2) While bigotry of your ilk is unfortunately common, fortunately what "something tells" you is not common human destiny, and we need not live by the assorted disembodied voices "telling" you things in your head. :)
3) you wouldn't know if someone was "clear" if you were able to look right through it!:jj:
4) I mean what I said, homosexuality is found to be an adaptive advantage in many species, and especially mammals of higher intelligence such as dolphins and chimpanzees. :)
5) :rolleyes: your forced laughter convinces no one, and your quick retreat to springy and circular logic avails nothing. Who can fail to notice you and your mindlessly bigoted ilk ranting about the unnaturalness of homosexuality in one breath, and when confronted with the utter naturalness and adaptiveness of it, then perfectly reverse to say "oh well NATURAL is bad bcuz that's what animals do!".
Animals also engage in heterosexual sex, fool...shall we ban that too? Your straw-man examples fall quickly, cannibalism is a statistical anomaly in most species and an adaptive trait in a few, whereas homosexuality is almost as common as heterosexuality in terms of the numbers of species it is found in. COmically enough, there are several centuries worth of finger-wagging 'scientific' observations lamenting the supposed growing homosexual "degeneracy" in the animal kingdom. "oHHHH NOOOEEZ, WHAT's wrong with all these gay chimps and gay butterflies we're observing (in this or that century)? clearly it's the fault of the: Catholics/Protestants/Papists/"Mohammedans"/Lutherans/Mexicans/Drug Addicts/Gays effecting the larger balance of nature!"
Queers used to get blamed for earthquakes, too...luckily now we have Seismology ...
Unbiased science is obviously NOT your friend or any ally to your bigotries...:funny: |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
You think the second-graders might enjoy children's books about orgies? Maybe a little fisting? |
maybe. if it was going to be something mandatory. :rolleyes: too bad, the topic of this thread and orgies and fisting won't be.
I seriously doubt any of the alarmists on here have ANY idea of what is included in an elementary school curriculum. |
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| Rike |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
You think the second-graders might enjoy children's books about orgies? Maybe a little fisting? |
we wouldn't want children engaging in fisting and orgies without first being educated on it. what kind of hateful bigot would want to deprive a child of such valuable information? |
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| cunning lingo |
| The gay guy can't seem to get it through his semen saturated head. I don't think 2n graders need to be taught about sex - gay sex - bi -sex or anything of that nature. If they question it, they can ask thier parents ( which I doubt) , but I don't think the school should provoke such matters at that age.... This gay fairy tale is just a queer agenda...period... |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
The gay guy can't seem to get it through his semen saturated head. I don't think 2n graders need to be taught about sex - gay sex - bi -sex or anything of that nature. If they question it, they can ask thier parents ( which I doubt) , but I don't think the school should provoke such matters at that age.... This gay fairy tale is just a queer agenda...period... |
:giggle: get my semen-saturated head off your brain and answer EXACTLY which passage(s) of the story in question causes you distress, and WHY...exactly. There is no indication anywhere that the story involves any sort of sex per se.
I'm trying to not abuse your sorry retarded ass, and give you a chance to give voice to SPECIFICS about your position...to this moment you have NONE. Besides irrational, circular hatred, that is. :rolleyes: |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
1) I make no 'contention', i confront you with the established fact that gay men in particular are found to have a longer and thicker and more dense ichthyus of the corpus colluscum, and also draw your attention to the statistical over-abundance of especially brilliant gay men throughout history. You would rename these established facts as my 'contentions' because your habit is to rename all established facts that refute you as opinions or 'contentions'.
refute me, piggy, g'head and try. :dm:
2) While bigotry of your ilk is unfortunately common, fortunately what "something tells" you is not common human destiny, and we need not live by the assorted disembodied voices "telling" you things in your head. :)
3) you wouldn't know if someone was "clear" if you were able to look right through it!:jj:
4) I mean what I said, homosexuality is found to be an adaptive advantage in many species, and especially mammals of higher intelligence such as dolphins and chimpanzees. :)
5) :rolleyes: your forced laughter convinces no one, and your quick retreat to springy and circular logic avails nothing. Who can fail to notice you and your mindlessly bigoted ilk ranting about the unnaturalness of homosexuality in one breath, and when confronted with the utter naturalness and adaptiveness of it, then perfectly reverse to say "oh well NATURAL is bad bcuz that's what animals do!".
Animals also engage in heterosexual sex, fool...shall we ban that too? Your straw-man examples fall quickly, cannibalism is a statistical anomaly in most species and an adaptive trait in a few, whereas homosexuality is almost as common as heterosexuality in terms of the numbers of species it is found in. COmically enough, there are several centuries worth of finger-wagging 'scientific' observations lamenting the supposed growing homosexual "degeneracy" in the animal kingdom. "oHHHH NOOOEEZ, WHAT's wrong with all these gay chimps and gay butterflies we're observing (in this or that century)? clearly it's the fault of the: Catholics/Protestants/Papists/"Mohammedans"/Lutherans/Mexicans/Drug Addicts/Gays effecting the larger balance of nature!"
Queers used to get blamed for earthquakes, too...luckily now we have Seismology ...
Unbiased science is obviously NOT your friend or any ally to your bigotries...:funny: |
I guess you must find refuge for your thinking wherever you can find it and in this case you find it amongst the wild animals of the earth.
Perhaps we have found a connection between the homosexual human and the human cannibals scattered about... both find normalcy in the wild.
Again I want to say I have nothing against homosexuals. They should not be banned or their activity amongst themselves stopped. However we should guard against normalizing a mental illness. However minor it may be. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:giggle: get my semen-saturated head off your brain and answer EXACTLY which passage(s) of the story in question causes you distress, and WHY...exactly. There is no indication anywhere that the story involves any sort of sex per se.
I'm trying to not abuse your sorry retarded ass, and give you a chance to give voice to SPECIFICS about your position...to this moment you have NONE. Besides irrational, circular hatred, that is. :rolleyes: |
Obviously , I cannot connect with your homosexual thinking. We obviously don't understand each other. I have never once metioned hating homosexuals in this entire thread, but if it gives you some sort of enjoyment/importance , then feel free. I could give a fuck. Hope you and your boyfriend have a nice day. :)
One question though, Are you a top or bottom...? Judgeing by your avatar , you seem like a bottom... |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
1) I guess you must find refuge for your thinking wherever you can find it and in this case you find it amongst the wild animals of the earth.
2) Perhaps we have found a connection between the homosexual human and the human cannibals scattered about... both find normalcy in the wild.
3) Again I want to say I have nothing against homosexuals. They should not be banned or their activity amongst themselves stopped. However we should guard against normalizing a mental illness. However minor it may be. |
:jj:
so let's see now..
1) you start off by retreating from the slander that homoexuality is unnatural and head towards some asinine analysis regarding the naturalistic "wildness" of homosexuality...
2) you then make an even more asinine comparison of homosexuality and cannibalism, with the ever more apparent inference that you consider both a state someone might regress to if they were to throw off some implied 'shackle of civility" and go wild ...
3) And you finish off with some piddling disclaimer about having 'nothing against homosexuals', that our supposed 'illness' is 'minor'...
...of course you offer no evidence for any of these positions...your pseudo-scientific assertions refute themselves by your lack of credible citation, and your backhanded disclaimers of tolerance indicate either sociopathology, simple self-ignorance....or both.
in other words, i must suspect you suppress quite a bit of horror in that mind of yours, and i feel sympathy for you as the bigoted voices in your head must be all that stands between you and the Call of the Homosexual-Cannibalistic Wild...
might i suggest you abandon this shell-game you play with yourself, and get some plain old newfangled cognitive psychotherapy instead? at least it would allow you to enter debate in a less robotic and more credible fashion.
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
Obviously , I cannot connect with your homosexual thinking. We obviously don't understand each other. I have never once metioned hating homosexuals in this entire thread, but if it gives you some sort of enjoyment/importance , then feel free. I could give a fuck. Hope you and your boyfriend have a nice day. :)
One question though, Are you a top or bottom...? Judgeing by your avatar , you seem like a bottom... |
:spit: my own genitalia is still on your brain? you've started a thread attacking any attempt to present homosexual citizens as CITIZENS in any educational curricula, and made baleful implications of there being sexually explicit details involved in such curricula. You have been prompted well over a dozen times to cite any evidence supporting your contention that sexual activity is discussed in this curricula, and you've failed badly every time...usually with a retarded-ass digression.
in my case, it's involved your sexual curiosity. yes, dude, you have major issues you cant face...whether it's personal gayness (homophobes=closet cases is a cliche for a reason ;)) or some symbolic weight homosexuals have for you at some other level, you and stony are clearly projecting your pathologies outwards.
There is no reason for Society to wait for you to wake up. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
The gay guy can't seem to get it through his semen saturated head. I don't think 2n graders need to be taught about sex - gay sex - bi -sex or anything of that nature. If they question it, they can ask thier parents ( which I doubt) , but I don't think the school should provoke such matters at that age.... This gay fairy tale is just a queer agenda...period... |
How many times do you need to be asked to provide evidence that the story you claim to have read includes any mention of sex (bi/ gay/ straight)?
Since we all know it does not include any mention of sex whatsoever, how about you finally explain what frightens you so much about this story? What is so controversial about this children's story that would cause you to start this thread?
Self loathing?
Stupidity?
Ignorance?
All of the above?
How about you answer some of the questions you have been asked? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I guess you must find refuge for your thinking wherever you can find it and in this case you find it amongst the wild animals of the earth.
Perhaps we have found a connection between the homosexual human and the human cannibals scattered about... both find normalcy in the wild.
Again I want to say I have nothing against homosexuals. They should not be banned or their activity amongst themselves stopped. However we should guard against normalizing a mental illness. However minor it may be. |
You are barely human. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:spit: my own genitalia is still on your brain? you've started a thread attacking any attempt to present homosexual citizens as CITIZENS in any educational curricula, and made baleful implications of there being sexually explicit details involved in such curricula. You have been prompted well over a dozen times to cite any evidence supporting your contention that sexual activity is discussed in this curricula, and you've failed badly every time...usually with a retarded-ass digression.
in my case, it's involved your sexual curiosity. yes, dude, you have major issues you cant face...whether it's personal gayness (homophobes=closet cases is a cliche for a reason ;)) or some symbolic weight homosexuals have for you at some other level, you and stony are clearly projecting your pathologies outwards.
There is no reason for Society to wait for you to wake up. |
So, Are you a top or a bottom???? You know- Pitcher or Catcher? help me to understand since you obviously know me so well... |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
How many times do you need to be asked to provide evidence that the story you claim to have read includes any mention of sex (bi/ gay/ straight)?
Since we all know it does not include any mention of sex whatsoever, how about you finally explain what frightens you so much about this story? What is so controversial about this children's story that would cause you to start this thread?
Self loathing?
Stupidity?
Ignorance?
All of the above?
How about you answer some of the questions you have been asked? |
I'm not providing you with anything, because if you were really interested , you'd already know. Your just here, acting like a pissed of cunt, which is par for you. I'm seen how/what you post , and you look and act like a PETA supporter at a BBQ. Fucking nutjob who's all over the place, with no real rhyme or reason. |
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| Ass Boil |
CL, maybe you can provide some evidence to back up your accusations against me since you refuse to back up any of your statements on the issue of this children's book?
Why are you unable to answer any of these very simple questions?
Let's try one more time. Maybe you will find your balls and attempt to defend your comments this time:
Is there sex in the story?
If not, what part of the story is so controversial and confusing that 2nd graders would not be able to understand it?
Do you object to hetero fairy tales? Why not?
I fully expect you to continue to ignore these questions that you should easily be able to answer if starting this thread. The funny part is watching you meltdown and cry when asked to defend your comments.
Please don't disappoint.
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:jj:
so let's see now..
1) you start off by retreating from the slander that homoexuality is unnatural and head towards some asinine analysis regarding the naturalistic "wildness" of homosexuality...
2) you then make an even more asinine comparison of homosexuality and cannibalism, with the ever more apparent inference that you consider both a state someone might regress to if they were to throw off some implied 'shackle of civility" and go wild ...
3) And you finish off with some piddling disclaimer about having 'nothing against homosexuals', that our supposed 'illness' is 'minor'...
...of course you offer no evidence for any of these positions...your pseudo-scientific assertions refute themselves by your lack of credible citation, and your backhanded disclaimers of tolerance indicate either sociopathology, simple self-ignorance....or both.
in other words, i must suspect you suppress quite a bit of horror in that mind of yours, and i feel sympathy for you as the bigoted voices in your head must be all that stands between you and the Call of the Homosexual-Cannibalistic Wild...
might i suggest you abandon this shell-game you play with yourself, and get some plain old newfangled cognitive psychotherapy instead? at least it would allow you to enter debate in a less robotic and more credible fashion.
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HAHAHAHAHHAA...
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Lets keep in mind it was you who brought up animals to justify and make "normal" homosexuality. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
HAHAHAHAHHAA...
:)
Lets keep in mind it was you who brought up animals to justify and make "normal" homosexuality. |
So you're saying that homosexual behavior has never been exhibited in animals?
Or is what you're saying is that animals are now 'sexual deviants' who make a conscious choice to be homosexual?
Really, how retarded of a discussion do you want to make this? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
So you're saying that homosexual behavior has never been exhibited in animals?
Or is what you're saying is that animals are now 'sexual deviants' who make a conscious choice to be homosexual?
Really, how retarded of a discussion do you want to make this? |
I don't disagree at all that animals act in this way.
I never made the claim that animals were 'sexual deviants', or even that homosexuals were.
How retarded do I want the conversation to go?
I don't know that is up to how many things people can pretend I said or meant. So far retarded is a good description of how this thread has played out.
You can quote me on that... |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I don't disagree at all that animals act in this way.
I never made the claim that animals were 'sexual deviants', or even that homosexuals were.
How retarded do I want the conversation to go?
I don't know that is up to how many things people can pretend I said or meant. So far retarded is a good description of how this thread has played out.
You can quote me on that... |
Deflection.
You constantly disguise your anti-gay sentiments and then deflect when called out on them.
No wonder you're not worth talking to.
It's simple, either you believe homosexuality is a natural occurance in nature and is to be accepted. Some people are born gay, some people choose to be gay.
Or, you believe it's a type of 'sexual deviancy' that is to be ridiculed and outwardly shunned. A disease that can be 'cured' (a la Ted Haggard) by some weekend christian retreat :giggle:
Which do you believe Stonewall? Do you believe Homosexuality is an acceptable part of society or do you believe it's indicative of some sort of 'disease' they suffer from?
Gay rights are like Abortion issues in that everyone has a very CLEAR and DISTINCT opinion on them. Which do you believe?
Please don't deflect again, it's obvious your scared of saying what you REALLY feel on the subject, just tell everyone the truth.
TIA :hw: |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
HAHAHAHAHHAA...
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Lets keep in mind it was you who brought up animals to justify and make "normal" homosexuality. |
Human homosexuality is natural and adaptive, as it is in every other species it is found in. YOU CANNOT FIND A SPECIES WHEREIN HOMOSEXUALITY IS DEMONSTRABLY MALADAPTIVE.
once more: try.
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
So, Are you a top or a bottom???? You know- Pitcher or Catcher? help me to understand since you obviously know me so well... |
oral versa and anal bottom, unless the ass is young, fresh, butch and tight. a fine young athlete's hairy ass is always worth fucking, but all good dick from decent looking guys is worth sucking and sitting on and milking dry. ok bjs are common, but great bj's are sadly rare, and i'm always on the lookout for a great bj.
wanna try? i can teach you, but i need some pics first...i assume by now you're dropping all pretense of a political discussion and just asking me for a date.:cool: |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I am not right-wing. I'm a conservative as far as the National Government is concerned. I'm fairly liberal when it comes to State Government. I'm all for people voting and setting up whatever rights they want, living in a free society.
I have nothing against homosexuals.
However we all know that if parents are given a chance to "fix" the fetus, I'm sure they would. And, everyone knows this is correct. |
"Fix" the fetus???
Gather all the homos up and send them to Iran, huh, Stoney?
We can't be having these mentally ill peter-puffers in our country taking all the young boys away from the hypocritic leaders of the religious right. Damn, imagine a nation without glory holes!!!
First, get rid of the gays.
Then the blacks.
Okay, now the hispanics and the asians.
Oh yeah, we can't forget the jews!
Now, all the non-christians!
All that's left is Stoney, Bush and Cheney. By that point, you might not be thinking it's so sick to be gay.....especially during the circle-jerk! |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Deflection.
You constantly disguise your anti-gay sentiments and then deflect when called out on them.
No wonder you're not worth talking to.
It's simple, either you believe homosexuality is a natural occurance in nature and is to be accepted. Some people are born gay, some people choose to be gay.
Or, you believe it's a type of 'sexual deviancy' that is to be ridiculed and outwardly shunned. A disease that can be 'cured' (a la Ted Haggard) by some weekend christian retreat :giggle:
Which do you believe Stonewall? Do you believe Homosexuality is an acceptable part of society or do you believe it's indicative of some sort of 'disease' they suffer from?
Gay rights are like Abortion issues in that everyone has a very CLEAR and DISTINCT opinion on them. Which do you believe?
Please don't deflect again, it's obvious your scared of saying what you REALLY feel on the subject, just tell everyone the truth.
TIA :hw: |
OK I see now. I have to either believe homosexuality is normal and to be accepted or I can believe it is a sexual deviancy. That's it, those are the choices. That is the discussion the "Left" wants to engage in. Anything other than that conversation is a 'deflection'. Anything other than that is not telling the truth.
My position is very clear. Homosexuality is a minor mental disorder. As far as mental disorders go. It can be cured probably. However, I don't think that cure has been found. Denial is not the answer for homosexuals, apparently.
It should not be normalized. Not any more than any other mental disorder.
One day science will conquer this problem just like they have and will conquer many other things.
There are many natural occuring things, that being the case does not have to mean they are normal. We try to seperate the conjoined twins... not accept as 'normal' the occurence. We try to cure cancer, not simply accept it as a natural thing. Every "natural" thing does not have to be accepted as normal.
The "left" always likes to control the conversation. Always sets the rules for it. And, the other side is always characterized as "hatred" and "bigotry", etc.. It just can't be any other way. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
OK I see now. I have to either believe homosexuality is normal and to be accepted or I can believe it is a sexual deviancy. That's it, those are the choices. That is the discussion the "Left" wants to engage in. Anything other than that conversation is a 'deflection'. Anything other than that is not telling the truth.
My position is very clear. Homosexuality is a minor mental disorder. As far as mental disorders go. It can be cured probably. However, I don't think that cure has been found. Denial is not the answer for homosexuals, apparently.
It should not be normalized. Not any more than any other mental disorder.
One day science will conquer this problem just like they have and will conquer many other things.
There are many natural occuring things, that being the case does not have to mean they are normal. We try to seperate the conjoined twins... not accept as 'normal' the occurence. We try to cure cancer, not simply accept it as a natural thing. Every "natural" thing does not have to be accepted as normal.
The "left" always likes to control the conversation. Always sets the rules for it. And, the other side is always characterized as "hatred" and "bigotry", etc.. It just can't be any other way. |
Only someone who would throw a person into a lake to test her for being a witch would call homosexuality a mental disorder.
This isn't an argument between the left and the right. It is an argument between the intelligent and the ignorant. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
Only someone who would throw a person into a lake to test her for being a witch would call homosexuality a mental disorder.
This isn't an argument between the left and the right. It is an argument between the intelligent and the ignorant. |
Of course it must be that way. We have no other talking points to learn from. No other orders from the party. We think one way and that is all we are allowed. We are the intelligent and those who disagree are the ignorant. It's just that simple.
That is true with everything... right? |
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| Jeton |
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| Ass Boil |
Stumpednuts secretly hates himself and wishes someone would have "fixed" him as a fetus, rather than forcing him to live this paranoid, tortured, pathetic life.
Personally I am glad stoney decided to join this discussion and expose his ignorance on yet another issue.....
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
stone's taken to answering others since he cant answer me...:giggle: |
We have agreed that you find proof of your side within the animal kingdom. What is normal for them is normal for us. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Of course it must be that way. We have no other talking points to learn from. No other orders from the party. We think one way and that is all we are allowed. We are the intelligent and those who disagree are the ignorant. It's just that simple.
That is true with everything... right? |
In this case, yes, it's that simple.
Show us some science that calls homosexuality a mental disorder. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Stumpednuts secretly hates himself and wishes someone would have "fixed" him as a fetus, rather than forcing him to live this paranoid, tortured, pathetic life.
Personally I am glad stoney decided to join this discussion and expose his ignorance on yet another issue.....
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Very good. That is another tactic of the Left in this debate. Whoever speaks out against the party line you accuse them of what they find abnormal.
That should stifle debate.
We have seen three tactics the left employs. Control the debate. Call the other side bigots or hateful or other names. Then accuse them of being what they find abnormal.
That is a hard thing to overcome in a debate with the Leftist Party. I congratulate you all, however offensive you may be to free speech or the free expression of ideas. |
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| Ass Boil |
Stumpy, your own examples make no fucking sense whatsoever.
"cannibalism"?
"conjoined twins"?
Aren't conjoined twins born that way? And are they forced to be separated? No, usually they are separated for the good of their own health because they are sharing organs, etc.
Do you have ANY scientific evidence to support your braindead opinion on this issue? |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Very good. That is another tactic of the Left in this debate. Whoever speaks out against the party line you accuse them of what they find abnormal.
That should stifle debate.
We have seen three tactics the left employs. Control the debate. Call the other side bigots or hateful or other names. Then accuse them of being what they find abnormal.
That is a hard thing to overcome in a debate with the Leftist Party. I congratulate you all, however offensive you may be to free speech or the free expression of ideas. |
This is a free speech issue?
Okay, but the speech in question is you saying "Homosexuality is a form of mental illness."
How about if you said, "N-words are monkeys?"
That, too, is the same kind of free speech you want to be allowed to express without rebuttal. |
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| Halcyon |
He's a fucking christian homophobe. What would you expect from a pussy too afraid to voice his true feelings? It's simple, either you think Homosexuality is accepted as a way of life, or you think it's a deviant behavior to be curtailed.
Why can't you answer the question Stonewall?
Fucking spineless, gutless piece of shit. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
We have agreed that you find proof of your side within the animal kingdom. What is normal for them is normal for us. |
no, we have agreed that you are a digressive escape-artist. The ubiquity of homosexuality in the animal kingdom is germane only to the canard that homsexuality is supposedly UNnatural. on the naturalness of homosexuality, you are refuted.
furthermore, we touched on the demonstrable adaptiveness of homosexuality in humans, as a statisically very disproportionate percentile of the technological innovations in use during our own online discussion here are the result of homosexual contributions to science and all other fields of human endeavor. On the issue of the adaptiveness of homosexuality IN HUMANS, you are refuted.
You have nothing left but inchoate animus wrapped in entirely circular reasoning divorced from evidence and logic. You reliably avoid confronting or rebutting anything at all, and thus you suffer here, as fools do.
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
In this case, yes, it's that simple.
Show us some science that calls homosexuality a mental disorder. |
The American Psychiatric Association has removed Homosexuality as a mental disorder. This due to social reasons. PC.
Here is an article to read...
THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
We need to open up this conversation to all ideas without calling names and being PC. Lets not be afraid of knowledge and opinions. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The American Psychiatric Association has removed Homosexuality as a mental disorder. This due to social reasons. PC.
Here is an argumentative cul-de-sac to fall into...
THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
We need to open up this conversation to all ideas without calling names and being PC. Lets not be afraid of knowledge and opinions. |
:lol: fixed.
what part of this STUDENT's entirely non-authoritative essay would you like to misdirect us towards? :funny: |
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| Ass Boil |
Stumpy, you ignorant retard, I wasn't accusing you of being gay, I was suggesting you might have some other mental disorder that we might be able to cure.
If you really want to know, I would guess that you don't actually have any idea whether you are gay or straight. To know that you would have to have a sexual encounter with one sex or the other and my bet is that you are so objectionable and frightening that no one will come within 100 feet of you, for fear of being lured into your kidnapper van and getting hit in the head with a sock full of pennies. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The American Psychiatric Association has removed Homosexuality as a mental disorder. This due to social reasons. PC.
Here is an article to read...
THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
We need to open up this conversation to all ideas without calling names and being PC. Lets not be afraid of knowledge and opinions. |
Don't bother stating your opinion on it, just keep wrapping those gay-bashing feelings of yours in rhetoric and articles. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Stumpy, you ignorant retard, I wasn't accusing you of being gay, I was suggesting you might have some other mental disorder that we might be able to cure.
If you really want to know, I would guess that you don't actually have any idea whether you are gay or straight. To know that you would have to have a sexual encounter with one sex or the other and my bet is that you are so objectionable and frightening that no one will come within 100 feet of you, for fear of being lured into your kidnapper van and getting hit in the head with a sock full of pennies. |
I think he is secretly a fan of Haggard and Craig. I'm saying I think he's a closeted homosexual who feels lost and betrayed by his anger-mongering Christian values.
Where's Fdubya when we need a "Stumpy the 'Wide Stance' Troll" cartoon? |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
oral versa and anal bottom, unless the ass is young, fresh, butch and tight. a fine young athlete's hairy ass is always worth fucking, but all good dick from decent looking guys is worth sucking and sitting on and milking dry. ok bjs are common, but great bj's are sadly rare, and i'm always on the lookout for a great bj.
wanna try? i can teach you, but i need some pics first...i assume by now you're dropping all pretense of a political discussion and just asking me for a date.:cool: |
No , no date....but I have to admit , that is some serious info....Thx for "opening" up..:)
I'll try to explain this to you, since ass boil just want's to be on the other side of the fence no matter what I say.
I think , by introducing a guy-guy relationship book isn't appropriate FOR 2nd GRADERS Nothing to do with sex....
I think "relationships " of any kind , at 2nd Grade Level , are unnecessary for a learning enviroment.
I think by introducing "homosexual" conduct to second graders - your opening Pandora's box. With parents and kids. As much as we/some want it to be mainstream , it's not. And introducing it to 2nd Graders will only be non-productive and confusing to the kids.
Now the others can go on a tiraid about hetero and religion , etc, etc..... |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The American Psychiatric Association has removed Homosexuality as a mental disorder. This due to social reasons. PC.
Here is an article to read...
THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
We need to open up this conversation to all ideas without calling names and being PC. Lets not be afraid of knowledge and opinions. |
I assume the part about "social reasons...PC" is your quote, not theirs.
Science, by definition, can not be directed by what is and is not politically correct. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
No , no date....but I have to admit , that is some serious info....Thx for "opening" up..:)
I'll try to explain this to you, since ass boil just want's to be on the other side of the fence no matter what I say.
I think , by introducing a guy-guy relationship book isn't appropriate FOR 2nd GRADERS Nothing to do with sex....
I think "relationships " of any kind , at 2nd Grade Level , are unnecessary for a learning enviroment.
I think by introducing "homosexual" conduct to second graders - your opening Pandora's box. With parents and kids. As much as we/some want it to be mainstream , it's not. And introducing it to 2nd Graders will only be non-productive and confusing to the kids.
Now the others can go on a tiraid about hetero and religion , etc, etc..... |
I understand your argument to the point of saying 2nd graders are too young to be taught about sexual relationships, whether gay or straight.
I don't agree with it but it is something that warrants discussion. This is one of the cases where you have to abide by the local school board's decision. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
I assume the part about "social reasons...PC" is your quote, not theirs.
Science, by definition, can not be directed by what is and is not politically correct. |
It is my quote.
APA POSITION STATEMENT
You can decide for yourself their reasoning. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:lol: fixed.
what part of this STUDENT's entirely non-authoritative essay would you like to misdirect us towards? :funny: |
All of it. A conversation can be had outside of the Lefts constraints. So look at all of it. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
No , no date....but I have to admit , that is some serious info....Thx for "opening" up..:)
I'll try to explain this to you, since ass boil just want's to be on the other side of the fence no matter what I say.
I think , by introducing a guy-guy relationship book isn't appropriate FOR 2nd GRADERS Nothing to do with sex....
I think "relationships " of any kind , at 2nd Grade Level , are unnecessary for a learning enviroment.
I think by introducing "homosexual" conduct to second graders - your opening Pandora's box. With parents and kids. As much as we/some want it to be mainstream , it's not. And introducing it to 2nd Graders will only be non-productive and confusing to the kids.
Now the others can go on a tiraid about hetero and religion , etc, etc..... |
you have conflated 2 of your false beliefs with actual fact.
1st of all, parental relationships are mentioned as common background details in stories geared toward any age group. So you are demanding that children with 2 same gender parents should never hear mention of their particular living situation, thusly marginalizing those children by default of sheer omission. worse, you'd perpetuate the grim terror and loneliness that is The Closet, especially during childhood.
2nd of all, your 'Pandora's box' analogy is a poorly veiled attempt to reference BOTH the idea that bigotry should be appeased just-because (the parents) while ALSO making implicit reference to the old slander of 'gay recruitment' by talking aboust "confusing" children. There is no evidence whatsoever that people PIC their sexual orientation...your ally in here, stonie, clearly argues that a homosexual orientation is a disorder rather than a choice, tho he's always good for a new flipflop.
the WORST that happens with this sort of curricula is that children are educated about a common civics that they are likely to encounter...from gay children knowing they're not alone, to children from gay families feeling included in the school setting, and to children from any background knowing basic functioning society around them. Queers are a critically contributing part of society and always will be...the age of hiding is over, and the mere fact of our existence is no horrible secret to hide.
sorry that you dont know any better but again, all i can do is post back n forth to you. some people refuse to examine their own biases, much less let go of them..but luckily most people can be communicated with.:) |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
All of it. A conversation can be had outside of the Lefts constraints. So look at all of it. |
:lol: :rolleyes: r u fukn high? u gots mo excuses than a nigga goin ta jail, nigga!
at no point have i presented you with any sort of 'left/right' dichotomy but a science-based discussion all along. that there are genetic and gestational dynamics involved in the manifestationof homosexuality is beyond doubt, and your little student's paper traipses thru a few issues covered better in Yahoo! Science News.
Go ahead an pick something outta there and make some argument here based on that, since you pointed to a student's hazy overview of homosexual 'hardwiring' in your latest conversational fascist-barker-cum-houdini act. |
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| Ass Boil |
CL,
It's not my fault you have zero evidence to support your idiotic opinions.
Kids don't fucking CARE about the relationships in ANY goddamned story, you idiot! You are projecting your ignorance and stupidity onto the kids.
Do you think kids honestly care or understand a heterosexual marriage?
homosexuality is controversial ONLY to intolerant retards like Stonedballs and yourself. Your complete inability to defend your position with anything except circular semantics and rhetoric really tells us all we need to know about you.
You have only proven that you cannot answer very simple questions about this story that you claim to have read...... LOL |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:lol: :rolleyes: r u fukn high? u gots mo excuses than a nigga goin ta jail, nigga!
at no point have i presented you with any sort of 'left/right' dichotomy but a science-based discussion all along. that there are genetic and gestational dynamics involved in the manifestationof homosexuality is beyond doubt, and your little student's paper traipses thru a few issues covered better in Yahoo! Science News.
Go ahead an pick something outta there and make some argument here based on that, since you pointed to a student's hazy overview of homosexual 'hardwiring' in your latest conversational fascist-barker-cum-houdini act. |
We can go back and forth all day saying nothing.
If I were you I'd drop the comparisons to the animal kingdom. It hurts your argument and opens you up to the points I brought forth in regard to other things animals do. I can honestly say this is the first time I've ever seen anyone justify their actions as humans by comparing themselves to dogs in a back ally somewhere. It is incredible that you would bring something like that forward. Any human action can be excused in such a manner, as I cleared displayed with the human cannibal example. While you did not excuse cannibals, with your current position I doubt you could have ruled against them, as you use the same excuse as they, I'm sure.
However since we are at an impasse I have a suggestion for you. If school children are to be taught about homosexuality, I suggest they watch the Discovery Channel or Wild Kingdom, apparently it taught you well enough on how to act... |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I, Stonewall, can go back and forth all day saying nothing.
If I were you I'd drop the comparisons to the animal kingdom. It hurts your argument and opens you up to the points I brought forth in regard to other things animals do. I can honestly say this is the first time I've ever seen anyone justify their actions as humans by comparing themselves to dogs in a back ally somewhere. It is incredible that you would bring something like that forward. Any human action can be excused in such a manner, as I cleared displayed with the human cannibal example. While you did not excuse cannibals, with your current position I doubt you could have ruled against them, as you use the same excuse as they, I'm sure.
However since we are at an impasse I have a suggestion for you. If school children are to be taught about homosexuality, I suggest they watch the Discovery Channel or Wild Kingdom, apparently it taught you well enough on how to act... |
fixed that for ya. the point is that homosexuality is natural and normative, contradicting your empty slanders to the contrary. cannibalism is rare because it is rarely adaptive, homosexuality is common because it is commonly adaptive. you havbe been clear about nothing, besides your panicked avoidance in addressing the myriad refuations you have suffered here.
you always post in circles when getting your ass kicked.:) |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
fixed that for ya. the point is that homosexuality is natural and normative, contradicting your empty slanders to the contrary. cannibalism is rare because it is rarely adaptive, homosexuality is common because it is commonly adaptive. you havbe been clear about nothing, besides your panicked avoidance in addressing the myriad refuations you have suffered here.
you always post in circles when getting your ass kicked.:) |
Homosexuality is natural, I have never said otherwise. The link I gave, that you criticize, should show you I think it is natural... people are born with it.
Where you and I part company is in regard to the nature of this "natural" thing. It is in the same class as any other natural mental illness one is so unfortunate to be born with. Thus it can be cured in the future, before the birth of the child. Maybe.
It is good to see you part company with cannibals. Apparently you do not believe the animal kingdom can be the example for any human behavior, just yours. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
you have conflated 2 of your false beliefs with actual fact.
1st of all, parental relationships are mentioned as common background details in stories geared toward any age group. So you are demanding that children with 2 same gender parents should never hear mention of their particular living situation, thusly marginalizing those children by default of sheer omission. worse, you'd perpetuate the grim terror and loneliness that is The Closet, especially during childhood.
2nd of all, your 'Pandora's box' analogy is a poorly veiled attempt to reference BOTH the idea that bigotry should be appeased just-because (the parents) while ALSO making implicit reference to the old slander of 'gay recruitment' by talking aboust "confusing" children. There is no evidence whatsoever that people PIC their sexual orientation...your ally in here, stonie, clearly argues that a homosexual orientation is a disorder rather than a choice, tho he's always good for a new flipflop.
the WORST that happens with this sort of curricula is that children are educated about a common civics that they are likely to encounter...from gay children knowing they're not alone, to children from gay families feeling included in the school setting, and to children from any background knowing basic functioning society around them. Queers are a critically contributing part of society and always will be...the age of hiding is over, and the mere fact of our existence is no horrible secret to hide.
sorry that you dont know any better but again, all i can do is post back n forth to you. some people refuse to examine their own biases, much less let go of them..but luckily most people can be communicated with.:) |
I don't know how to make this any easier..and before you and your boyfriend boil go on a long winded tyraid... Let just say this for the last tiime SECOND GRADERS
Do you have any kids??? What makes you think all kids are the same?
While I don't agree with gay relationships, I don't drive around in my truck, searching gays out to attack either. I'm a fairly tolerable person . If you choose to worship a god, suck another mans cock, whatever, just don't cram it down my throat. If I'm an evil homophobe for that , oh well.... |
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Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Homosexuality is natural, I have never said otherwise. The link I gave, that you criticize, should show you I think it is natural... people are born with it.
Where you and I part company is in regard to the nature of this "natural" thing. It is in the same class as any other natural mental illness one is so unfortunate to be born with. Thus it can be cured in the future, before the birth of the child. Maybe.
It is good to see you part company with cannibals. Apparently you do not believe the animal kingdom can be the example for any human behavior, just yours. |
What about the straights that go to prison on long spells and end up in gay relationships? |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Homosexuality is natural, I have never said otherwise. The link I gave, that you criticize, should show you I think it is natural... people are born with it.
Where you and I part company is in regard to the nature of this "natural" thing. It is in the same class as any other natural mental illness one is so unfortunate to be born with. Thus it can be cured in the future, before the birth of the child. Maybe.
It is good to see you part company with cannibals. Apparently you do not believe the animal kingdom can be the example for any human behavior, just yours. |
listen, ya tiresome doofus...if ur abandoning the issue of what is or isnt ADAPTIVE than you're retreating to CULTURE, as psychiatry remains a a practice equal parts politics and medicine.
Should i invite you down the rabbit-hole of precisely defining what is and isnt 'mental illness'? I happen to know it varies from country to country...there is no other branch of ostensible science that so varies by cultural sensitivity. Homosexuality has surely been considered "mentally ill" by psychiatry IN THOSE COUHTRIES WHERE IT WAS ALREADY SOCIALLY UNACCEPTABLE...just as speaking out against the evil and uselessness of Communism could get one incarcerated for longterm 'medical attention' in many countries.
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