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| VacateTheWord |
US-led forces kill top al-Qaida leader
U.S.-led forces have killed one of the most important leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq, a Tunisian believed connected to the kidnapping and killings last summer of American soldiers , a top commander said Friday.
Brig. Gen. Joseph Anderson said the death of the suspected terrorist in a U.S. airstrike Tuesday south of Baghdad, and recent similar operations against al-Qaida, have left the organization in Iraq fractured.
"Abu Osama al-Tunisi was one of the most senior leaders ... the emir of foreign terrorists in Iraq and part of the inner leadership circle," Anderson said.
Al-Tunisi was a leader in helping bring foreign terrorists into the country and his death "is a key loss " to al-Qaida leadership there, Anderson told a Pentagon news conference.
The U.S. Central Command said American aircraft dropped two 500-pound bombs on a terrorist safehouse, killing al-Tunisi and two others suspected terrorists who were meeting there.
Speaking by videoconfernece from Baghdad, Anderson said that al-Tunisi operated in Yusufiyah, southwest of Baghdad, since the second battle of Fallujah in November '04 and became the overall emir of Yusufiyah in the summer of '06. He said his group was responsible for kidnapping American soldiers in June 2006.
Anderson did not name the soldiers and Pentagon officials said they did not immediately know whom he was referring to. But three U.S. soldiers were killed that month in an ambush-kidnapping that happened while they were guarding a bridge.
Spc. David J. Babineau was killed at a river checkpoint south of Baghdad on June 16, 2006, and Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas Tucker were abducted. The mutilated bodies of the kidnapped soldiers were found three days later, tied together and booby-trapped with bombs.
Anderson said recent coalition operations also have helped cut in half the previous flow of foreign fighters into Iraq, which had been at about 60 to 80 a month.
He credited the work of the Iraqi Department of Border Enforcement and U.S. teams.
Commanders have said previously that the increase in troops ordered by President Bush in January — and the increased operations that followed — have pushed militants into the remote parts of the north and south of the country. Additional operations have been going after those pockets of fighters.
"We're having great success in isolating these pockets," Anderson said.
"They are very broken up, very unable to mass, and conducting very isolated operations ," he said. He could not estimate the number of foreign fighters in Iraq but said they commit over 80 percent of suicide bombings in the country.
Anderson laid out a series of operations over the last two weeks that led up to the air strike that killed al-Tunisi in the town of Musayib.
He said an associate of al-Tunisi's was captured in one mission on Sept. 12 in Baghdad and another with links to him was captured Sept. 14 in Mahmudiyah when coalition forces targeted the network that facilitates the flow of foreign fighters in the southern belts around Baghdad.
More associates were captured over the next few days. On Sept. 25, commanders received information that a meeting was taking place near Musayib with al-Tunisi and other al-Qaida in Iraq members. A U.S. Air Force F-16 aircraft attacked the target.
Al-Tunisi's presence was confirmed by a detainee who had just fled the area before the attack and was captured minutes later, Anderson said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070928...s_iraq_al_qaida |
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| CrackHead_Fan |
| Bring on the Bush bashing, anti-military rhetoric. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by CrackHead_Fan
Bring on the Bush bashing, anti-military rhetoric. |
It will come.
You'll hear "Oh, how many top leaders do they have" and nonsense like that.
What they won't admit to is the fact that Iraq is the central front in the War on Terror (as stated by Osama Bin Laden) and we are capturing and killing this terrorist organization in their own backyard.
Any measure of success in this regard should be the number of attacks on the US homeland since 9/11. |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
It will come.
You'll hear "Oh, how many top leaders do they have" and nonsense like that.
What they won't admit to is the fact that Iraq is the central front in the War on Terror (as stated by Osama Bin Laden) and we are capturing and killing this terrorist organization in their own backyard.
Any measure of success in this regard should be the number of attacks on the US homeland since 9/11. |
while i agree there are too many posters to count that take any opportunity they can to shit on bush and the war, dont you have to ask how many leaders do they have? and why wouldnt obl say iraq is the focus of his war, i wouldnt want 160k troops looking for me either. i would go out of my way to encourage them to keep fighting in another country. how many victories do we need to win in order to declare victory? when can we surge after obl? why cant we try to get the real "top leader"? |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by curleydan
while i agree there are too many posters to count that take any opportunity they can to shit on bush and the war, dont you have to ask how many leaders do they have? and why wouldnt obl say iraq is the focus of his war, i wouldnt want 160k troops looking for me either. i would go out of my way to encourage them to keep fighting in another country. how many victories do we need to win in order to declare victory? when can we surge after obl? why cant we try to get the real "top leader"? |
great questions - VTW? |
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| CrackHead_Fan |
Curleydan, you brought up legitmate questions in a non-provocative, respectable way...What are you doing here!?!? Seriously, though, it is always interesting to watch how some people here simply cannot bring themselves to post anything positive about our successes. And they wonder why they are called defeatist.
My response to this news: Good. Kill that fucker. Twice. |
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| curleydan |
| hey im all for killing the bad guys so i dont want to poo poo this news. it just frustrates me that so much time and effort is being wasted on guys that really dont have anything to do with why this war started. i know i know iraq is the frontline, just because they wernt there when we invaded doesnt mean we can leave them there, blah blah blah. if they wernt there when we invaded does that mean we brought them with us? the focus of this war should be obl, and at present he is just an afterthought. sure he may be hiding in some cave somewhere not controling shit, but i dont care. we can nail "top leaders" all day long, until obl is the top leader, its not going to mean as much. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Idiots,
AQ "in Iraq" has NOTHING to do with OBL/AQ/9-11...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"Morans" |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by GivingHead_Fan
Seriously, though, it is always interesting to watch how some people here simply cannot bring themselves to post anything positive about our successes. |
....its because we understand the concept of "proportion".
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by CrackHead_Fan
Bring on the Bush bashing, anti-military rhetoric. |
Okay, here goes:
We had no reason to go to Iraq and we have no reason to be there now.
Bush is a hateful, ignorant christian warlord and nothing more. He has no regard or respect for people in the military or their families. When he had the chance to fight and defend this country, he received special favors and got a cushy assignment in the US....that he deserted.
Fuck Bush and anyone who thinks he is anything but a total waste of carbon life form. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Idiots,
AQ "in Iraq" has NOTHING to do with OBL/AQ/9-11...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"Morans" |
The terrorists who attacked London's mass transit system on 7/7 had nothing to do with 9/11 either.
Now go back to your Bush Derangement Syndrome thread. |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Idiots,
AQ "in Iraq" has NOTHING to do with OBL/AQ/9-11...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"Morans" |
did you mean "morons"? |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by curleydan
while i agree there are too many posters to count that take any opportunity they can to shit on bush and the war, dont you have to ask how many leaders do they have? and why wouldnt obl say iraq is the focus of his war, i wouldnt want 160k troops looking for me either. i would go out of my way to encourage them to keep fighting in another country. how many victories do we need to win in order to declare victory? when can we surge after obl? why cant we try to get the real "top leader"? |
Well, first of all you are making it sound as if we aren't actively going after the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the Afgan/Pakistani border region. I know the Liberals (not including you in this pathological group) like to say that we pulled "all of our resources" out of Afghanistan...we didn't.
I don't think it's up on ABC news anymore, but they did a report recently about OBL being in the Tora Bora region (or so many in the intelligence community believe) and we went after him but either we were too late or he wasn't there after all (we killed a few dozen Taliban and Al Qaeda members). The reason for the belief was that it was a large contingency of Al Qaeda, which meant (to the intel folks) that a large posse would indicate they were protecting a top leader, either Bin Laden or his number two.
The point being, we are still actively going after him. Staging a massive invasion into Pakistan would be folly because we would put the Musharref government in jeopardy by doing so and thus risk having a moderate government fall into the hands of extremists who would have nuclear weapons at their disposal.
As for the Iraq war, I'm not going to get into the "should we have invaded" debate because it's pointless.....it's akin to starting up a "should Howard have moved to Sirius?" debate.
As far as how many leader in Al Qaeda there are....I don't know. I realize that these leaders are replaced, but I take heart in knowing that Al Qaeda in Iraq has lost it's leader and they will be off-balance and disorganized....at least until the senior management either sends in or appoints a new leader.
The most important thing to take away from this is that we are chasing them down, disrupting their network and showing them that their existance and wanton killing in Iraq will not be tolerated. As reported in the past months, the Sunnis in Iraq agree and have joined the fight. In the end the goal is to get the Iraqi armed forces (army and police) to the point where they can handle a problem such as Al Qaeda on their own. Right now they are not at that point and need our help....bailing out now would lead to an Al Qaeda stronghold in Anbar....disasterous in regards to our national security. It's one thing for the top leadership to be holed up in mountains....having a branch of Al Qaeda being funded by Iraqi oil (no, I'm not saying the Iraqi government would fund them...they would steal the profits that are meant for the Sunnis) and actively training and planning for the next attack on the US. Very bad idea. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by curleydan
did you mean "morons"? |
I think Fdub is making a reference to a photo of a pro-Bush guy who was trying to insult a peace march or something and in doing so he spelled "morons" as "morans."
If I can find the pic I'll post it. |
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| Halcyon |
What's this, like the 12th top leader in al-Qaida they've killed?
:rolleyes: |
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| artiel |
Headline in Oct 2008: Al Qaeda in US wants universal healthcare!
You have been duped. There is no correlation between those they call AQinI and AQ. It is a creation of American politics. Enjoy your idiocy. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
What's this, like the 12th top leader in al-Qaida they've killed?
:rolleyes: |
Would you rather these people be alive?
Hey, AQI blew up a grocery a few days ago....no military target, just a bunch of people looking to feed their families.
Yeah, there is no progress in killing those that perpetrate these acts that seek to formet sectarian violence and throw the country into chaos.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Would you rather these people be alive?
Hey, AQI blew up a grocery a few days ago....no military target, just a bunch of people looking to feed their families.
Yeah, there is no progress in killing those that perpetrate these acts that seek to formet sectarian violence and throw the country into chaos.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
And Blackwater shot a bunch of people driving down the road.... what is your point. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
And Blackwater shot a bunch of people driving down the road.... what is your point. |
So now Blackwater is being equated with Al Qaeda.
Seek help. |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Well, first of all you are making it sound as if we aren't actively going after the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the Afgan/Pakistani border region. I know the Liberals (not including you in this pathological group) like to say that we pulled "all of our resources" out of Afghanistan...we didn't.
I don't think it's up on ABC news anymore, but they did a report recently about OBL being in the Tora Bora region (or so many in the intelligence community believe) and we went after him but either we were too late or he wasn't there after all (we killed a few dozen Taliban and Al Qaeda members). The reason for the belief was that it was a large contingency of Al Qaeda, which meant (to the intel folks) that a large posse would indicate they were protecting a top leader, either Bin Laden or his number two.
The point being, we are still actively going after him. Staging a massive invasion into Pakistan would be folly because we would put the Musharref government in jeopardy by doing so and thus risk having a moderate government fall into the hands of extremists who would have nuclear weapons at their disposal.
As for the Iraq war, I'm not going to get into the "should we have invaded" debate because it's pointless.....it's akin to starting up a "should Howard have moved to Sirius?" debate.
As far as how many leader in Al Qaeda there are....I don't know. I realize that these leaders are replaced, but I take heart in knowing that Al Qaeda in Iraq has lost it's leader and they will be off-balance and disorganized....at least until the senior management either sends in or appoints a new leader.
The most important thing to take away from this is that we are chasing them down, disrupting their network and showing them that their existance and wanton killing in Iraq will not be tolerated. As reported in the past months, the Sunnis in Iraq agree and have joined the fight. In the end the goal is to get the Iraqi armed forces (army and police) to the point where they can handle a problem such as Al Qaeda on their own. Right now they are not at that point and need our help....bailing out now would lead to an Al Qaeda stronghold in Anbar....disasterous in regards to our national security. It's one thing for the top leadership to be holed up in mountains....having a branch of Al Qaeda being funded by Iraqi oil (no, I'm not saying the Iraqi government would fund them...they would steal the profits that are meant for the Sunnis) and actively training and planning for the next attack on the US. Very bad idea. |
im not suggesting that there is no effort being made to get obl. i have a very dear friend over there right now doing exactly that. however, if we could relocate the "surge" troops over there it would go a long way to getting their senior management out of the picture. my problem is that as long as there is senior management all these "victories" are essentially meaningless because some other abdul al makamaka will just take his place, and right now the main focus is not on the senior management. we would be told that they are cutting off the head, but its more like cutting off a lizards tail. i like to hear good news coming out of iraq, and this is certainly good news, its just not very substantial. there doesnt appear to be any bigger effort being made to get obl, who is the whole reason for this, and there is certainly no effort to be done with iraq. i dont want to see iraq turn into a newer version of what afganistan was, but at some point do we need to figure out what its going to take to keep that from happening? the bottom line is as long as obl is around, there is always going to be aqi. we are going about this in the wrong direction and dont appear to have any desire to change that. |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Would you rather these people be alive?
Hey, AQI blew up a grocery a few days ago....no military target, just a bunch of people looking to feed their families.
Yeah, there is no progress in killing those that perpetrate these acts that seek to formet sectarian violence and throw the country into chaos.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
hal has a very valid point. how long are we going to keep going down this same road? we have killed so many top leaders because the real top leader keeps sending new ones there. until the only real top leader is taken care of, its pointless to get too excited about taking out top leader number whatever.
any progress made in taking out aqi leaders is hollow at best until the real leader is taken out. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by curleydan
did you mean "morons"? |
No. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
So now Blackwater is being equated with Al Qaeda.
Seek help. |
Similar, now that you mention it.
Blackwater=radical redneck military wannabes.
AlQaeda=radical Islamist military wannabes.
Thanks for pointing that out, VTW. |
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| JTProcess |
Vacate...
You always see this from the same twisted viewpoint... so I will say this. Yes it's great that our military is getting al qaeda guys... but to what end? Has nabbing these guys in the past or kllling them in the past really done anything of note to change the overall landscape in the middle east?
No... it has not. But you can put on your freedom hat, and wave your flag and cheer... which is fine, you should... they got a bad guy... but it's inconsequential. It will not serve to change anything politically or serve to lower insurgent attacks or anything of merit... it's just another dead terrorist... and more dead americans to follow. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
Vacate...
You always see this from the same twisted viewpoint... so I will say this. Yes it's great that our military is getting al qaeda guys... but to what end? Has nabbing these guys in the past or kllling them in the past really done anything of note to change the overall landscape in the middle east?
No... it has not. But you can put on your freedom hat, and wave your flag and cheer... which is fine, you should... they got a bad guy... but it's inconsequential. It will not serve to change anything politically or serve to lower insurgent attacks or anything of merit... it's just another dead terrorist... and more dead americans to follow. |
I can see where you are coming from, but in my "twisted" viewpoint I think it's better to go after these killers.
What is the alternative? Do nothing and hope they leave us alone? We were essentially doing nothing in the 1990s and we endured attack after attack.
Now I can expect where this will lead - "Well, why don't we leave the whole region alone and thus remove the antagonism."
Well, to answer that before it's brought up - Al Qaeda and their sympathizers will never be without a rationale to blame their ills on the United States.
We completely pull out....they'll fault us for supporting Israel.
We cease to support Israel.....they'll fault us for supporting regimes in the region (by buying their oil) that do not oppress their people with Sharia law.
We stop buying oil in the Middle East.....they will attack "Western Culture" as corrupting Middle Eastern culture every time they see someone smoking or a woman not covered from head to toe.
We change our culture....they'll fault us for not having converted to Islam.
And on and on it will go. I think you need to come to understand the essential fact that these people cannot be appeased. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
Vacate...
You always see this from the same twisted viewpoint... so I will say this. Yes it's great that our military is getting al qaeda guys... but to what end? Has nabbing these guys in the past or kllling them in the past really done anything of note to change the overall landscape in the middle east?
No... it has not. But you can put on your freedom hat, and wave your flag and cheer... which is fine, you should... they got a bad guy... but it's inconsequential. It will not serve to change anything politically or serve to lower insurgent attacks or anything of merit... it's just another dead terrorist... and more dead americans to follow. |
Point well made but, I fear, way too articulate for your target to comprehend. |
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| Porcupine |
| I thought we called this group "al-Qaeda in Iraq"... |
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| Porcupine |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
What is the alternative? Do nothing and hope they leave us alone? |
No. Protect our borders and ports, knowing that the leaders of the terrorist groups will not leave us alone, whether we are fighting in the Middle East or not. Pull our troops out of the Middle East to reduce the number of grunts that the leaders of the terrorist groups can use, and so that killing terrorists will actually reduce the number of terrorists.
"We must stay until Iraq is secure."
The permanent bases either suggest that we plan to stay even after we deem Iraq "secure" or suggest that believe it will be decades before we can call Iraq "secure".
"The terrorists will claim our departure as a victory."
Honestly, does anybody believe that the tactic of terrorism will EVER be defeated? If you're truly worried about them claiming victory, all you'd have to do is get the leadership of Iraq to formally ask us to leave. |
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| JTProcess |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I can see where you are coming from, but in my "twisted" viewpoint I think it's better to go after these killers. |
You have to remember though... there wasn't Al Qaeda in Iraq until we got there... so we created the killers... so that we can kill them. Which is basically just creating a snowball of anti-american sentiment.
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
What is the alternative? Do nothing and hope they leave us alone? We were essentially doing nothing in the 1990s and we endured attack after attack. |
The alternative is to stop dumping our money into a black hole and spending it on ACTUALLY SECURING our homeland... think of all the things we could do here with the billions that are being lost in Iraq. Attack after attack in the 90's? The first WTC attack was inconsequential, it didn't have much of a toll and it obviously didn't cause Rudy Giuliani or Bill Clinton to take terrorism seriously.... the USS Cole was shitty but if we weren't over there persuing an inteventionalist foreign policy it wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I can see where you are coming from, but in my "twisted" Now I can expect where this will lead - "Well, why don't we leave the whole region alone and thus remove the antagonism."
Well, to answer that before it's brought up - Al Qaeda and their sympathizers will never be without a rationale to blame their ills on the United States
We completely pull out....they'll fault us for supporting Israel.
We cease to support Israel.....they'll fault us for supporting regimes in the region (by buying their oil) that do not oppress their people with Sharia law.
We stop buying oil in the Middle East.....they will attack "Western Culture" as corrupting Middle Eastern culture every time they see someone smoking or a woman not covered from head to toe.
We change our culture....they'll fault us for not having converted to Islam. |
They already fault us for supporting isreal... so all we can do there is what we've always done. Help Israel defend itself and try to promote an open dialogue that results in a fair outcome for all involved.
We could become oil independent too and not even need to buy foreign oil but you uptight mofo's on the right are hypocrites... you're against raising any taxes to help fund the transition off of an oil based economy but you're pro spending all our tax dollars on the black whole that is the current "war on terrorism" ... this kind of logic is completely beyond anyone who understands math and rational thought.
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
And on and on it will go. I think you need to come to understand the essential fact that these people cannot be appeased. |
Fair enough, maybe they can't be "appeased" but we should focus on fighting them effectively rather than wasting all of our money in a way that only further emboldens them...
I think you and I are on the same page in that we understand there is a problem and want our country to be successful in addressing that problem... the difference is that you're to stubborn to admit that the current solution has been drastically ineffective and something different needs to be attempted. |
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| Ass Boil |
Military Reports It Has Killed A Senior Leader of Al Qaeda In Iraq, But Was He Killed A Year Ago?
The U.S. military announced today that it has killed a “senior leader of al Qaeda in Iraq.” Brig. Gen. Joseph Anderson “identified the man as Abu Usama al-Tunisi, a Tunisian described as a close associate and likely successor to Abu Ayyub al-Masri, Al-Qaeda in Iraq’s Egyptian leader.”
CNN quickly jumped on the story, reporting that al-Tunisi was “killed Tuesday south of Baghdad.” CNN’s Jamie McIntyre reported:
[The military was] able to zero in on this al Qaeda leader in a series of operations that began in early September, and it’s really a textbook of how the U.S. military is operating. Each operation, they capture somebody who’s a little bit closer to the guy they’re looking for.
CNN said the death was confirmed by a hand-written note from al-Tunisi that was found in the aftermath of an airstrike “in which he says he’s surrounded and desperate for help.” “The main thing here,” McIntyre reported, “is the U.S. military insists this was a dangerous terrorist” and it deals “a serious blow” to the al Qaeda leadership. Watch it:
But terrorism analyst Evan Kohlman issued a “global terror alert” last year stating that al-Tunisi had died in July 2006. Kohlman’s report quotes a release from a terrorist group:
“The martyrdom of Abu Usama al-Tunisi [from Tunisia], the commander of [Al-Qaida’s] Aeisha Brigade [tasked with air defense missions]… I announce the news to the Islamic nation regarding the martyrdom of one of its heroes and true men.”
While it’s possible that there could have been two different Abu Usama al-Tunisis, it is the responsibility of news organizations to resolve these kinds of questions and double-check the facts before reporting them.
Moreover, there is reason for skepticism. In July, the U.S. command in Baghdad “ballyhooed the killing of a key al Qaeda leader but later admitted that the military had declared him dead a year ago.” Also in July, the military announced the capture of a “top leader of al Qaeda in Iraq” who had been captured weeks ago.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/28/al-tunisi-death/ |
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| zimmie |
| maybe reporting on the killing of AQ leaders is a bad idea......or conversely, if it wasn't reported, naysayers would be here claiming we never target AQ leaders..... |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
It will come.
You'll hear "Oh, how many top leaders do they have" and nonsense like that.
What they won't admit to is the fact that Iraq is the central front in the War on Terror (as stated by Osama Bin Laden) and we are capturing and killing this terrorist organization in their own backyard.
Any measure of success in this regard should be the number of attacks on the US homeland since 9/11. |
Shut up, moron
CRS: Bush Administration Has Intensified False Reporting On Al Qaeda Since ‘Surge’ Began
Attempting to drum up public support for the war in Iraq in July, President Bush referred to al Qaeda 95 times in a single speech, claiming the war in Iraq has become the central front in the fight against al Qaeda (AQI):
There’s also a debate about al Qaeda’s role in Iraq. Some say that Iraq is not part of the broader war on terror. They complain when I say that the al Qaeda terrorists we face in Iraq are part of the same enemy that attacked us on September the 11th. … I say that there will be a big defeat in Iraq and it will be the defeat of al Qaeda.
Echoing Bush, Gen. David Petraeus also argued that al Qaeda is “public enemy number one” in Iraq. Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner said AQI was the “principle threat” to the Iraqi people.
But in a new report, the Congressional Research Service notes that attacks from al Qaeda are only a small percentage of the violence in Iraq, criticizing the Bush administration’s statistics and noting that this false reporting on AQI has increased since Bush’s “surge” began:
Increasingly in 2007, U.S. commanders have seemed to equate AQ-I with the insurgency, even though most of the daily attacks are carried out by Iraqi Sunni insurgents.
Similarly, ret. Gen. James Jones, author of a major report on Iraqi security forces, acknowledged to Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) this week that 98 percent of violence in Iraq is “Iraqis fighting amongst Iraqis”:
BAYH: [T]wo percent or fewer of the adversaries that we’re facing in Iraq and that the Iraqis are facing in Iraq are foreign jihadis or AQI affiliates, [and] 98 percent or more are Iraqis fighting amongst Iraqis for the future of Iraq. Is that consistent with your understanding?
JONES: I think we would agree with that. Yes.
Watch it:
Washington Monthly reports that the percentage of violence in Iraq that is sourced to al Qaeda do not correspond to the Bush administration’s overestimates.
Today, the threat from al Qaeda to the U.S. comes from the terrorist network’s resurgent presence in Afghanistan and western Pakistan. Redeployment — not fearmongering — will tackle that threat.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/08/crs-al-qaeda/ |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Shut up, moron |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
End Of Thread |
That really is the only response his posts deserve anymore... |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by CrackHead_Fan
Bring on the Bush bashing, anti-military rhetoric. |
The only ones who military is the cowards from your side of the aisle. Nice use of debunked talking points, genius. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
It will come.
You'll hear "Oh, how many top leaders do they have" and nonsense like that.
What they won't admit to is the fact that Iraq is the central front in the War on Terror (as stated by Osama Bin Laden) and we are capturing and killing this terrorist organization in their own backyard.
Any measure of success in this regard should be the number of attacks on the US homeland since 9/11. |
8 years between attacks on the homeland 93-01. Why don't you ever mention that, coward?
The terrorist organization is hardly killed. They just keep coming. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by curleydan
while i agree there are too many posters to count that take any opportunity they can to shit on bush and the war, dont you have to ask how many leaders do they have? and why wouldnt obl say iraq is the focus of his war, i wouldnt want 160k troops looking for me either. i would go out of my way to encourage them to keep fighting in another country. how many victories do we need to win in order to declare victory? when can we surge after obl? why cant we try to get the real "top leader"? |
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Sweet jeebus, I actually agree with you.
Now maybe you will agree that the bullshit replies from vacate and others are just regurgitated bullshit talking points.
Anyone can cut and paste, just ask NCMoron. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The terrorists who attacked London's mass transit system on 7/7 had nothing to do with 9/11 either.
Now go back to your Bush Derangement Syndrome thread. |
and Britain was in Iraq before that, no?
What's your fucking point? |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
maybe reporting on the killing of AQ leaders is a bad idea......or conversely, if it wasn't reported, naysayers would be here claiming we never target AQ leaders..... |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by curleydan
while i agree there are too many posters to count that take any opportunity they can to shit on bush and the war, dont you have to ask how many leaders do they have? and why wouldnt obl say iraq is the focus of his war, i wouldnt want 160k troops looking for me either. i would go out of my way to encourage them to keep fighting in another country. how many victories do we need to win in order to declare victory? when can we surge after obl? why cant we try to get the real "top leader"? |
There are no number of victories to declare victory. That is a huge problem with Iraq. 50 years from now there will be an article just like this.
We need to get out of Iraq.
We need to get the leader of Iraq to tell us:
"Thank You very much and we will be OK after January 1st. In the meantime move away from civilian populations and begin your departure... did I say thanks?"
That is what victory looks like. Now we have to force the Iraqi leader to make that statement... |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
It will come.
You'll hear "Oh, how many top leaders do they have" and nonsense like that.
What they won't admit to is the fact that Iraq is the central front in the War on Terror (as stated by Osama Bin Laden) and we are capturing and killing this terrorist organization in their own backyard.
Any measure of success in this regard should be the number of attacks on the US homeland since 9/11. |
We killed Communists all through SEA from 1957 to 1975, they're still there, we're gone, and what killed the Soviet Union wasn't war, it was their failed economy.
I'm all for killing every single AQ asshole we can get our hands on, but lets not kid ourselves that in dinging them, we somehow "win" anything. |
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| Chris54 |
| We need to be more like the Russians.... kill the guy and his family and friends. Won't be long until terrorist have no friends. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by Chris54
We need to be more like the Russians.... kill the guy and his family and friends. Won't be long until terrorist have no friends. |
Hate to tell you, but the terrorists have more "friends" than does the United States. You can thank your "leaders" for that.
And Russia has more enemies than friends right now too. |
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