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By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press Writer
Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. - In an unlikely marriage of desire to secede from the United States, two advocacy groups from opposite political traditions — New England and the South — are sitting down to talk.
Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully.
That sounds just fine to the League of the South, a conservative group that refuses to give up on Southern independence.
"We believe that an independent South, or Hawaii, Alaska, or Vermont would be better able to serve the interest of everybody, regardless of race or ethnicity," said Michael Hill of Killen, Ala., president of the League of the South.
Separated by hundreds of miles and divergent political philosophies, the Middlebury Institute and the League of the South are hosting a two-day Secessionist Convention starting Wednesday in Chattanooga.
They expect to attract supporters from California, Alaska and Hawaii, inviting anyone who wants to dissolve the Union so states can save themselves from an overbearing federal government.
If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders "probably would allow abortion and have gun control," Hill said, while Southerners "would probably crack down on illegal immigration harder than it is being now."
The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly prohibit secession, but few people think it is politically viable.
Vermont, one of the nation's most liberal states, has become a hotbed for liberal secessionists, a fringe movement that gained new traction because of the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of several pro-secession groups.
Thomas Naylor, the founder of one of those groups, the Second Vermont Republic, said the friendly relationship with the League of the South doesn't mean everyone shares all the same beliefs.
But Naylor, a retired Duke University professor, said the League of the South shares his group's opposition to the federal government and the need to pursue secession.
"It doesn't matter if our next president is Condoleeza (Rice) or Hillary (Clinton), it is going to be grim," said Naylor, adding that there are secessionist movements in more than 25 states, including Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Texas.
The Middlebury Institute, based in Cold Spring, N.Y., was started in 2005. Its followers, disillusioned by the Iraq war and federal imperialism, share the idea of states becoming independent republics. They contend their movement is growing.
The first North American Separatist Convention was held last fall in Vermont, which, unlike most Southern states, supports civil unions. Voters there elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.
Middlebury director Kirpatrick Sale said Hill offered to sponsor the second secessionist convention, but the co-sponsor arrangement was intended to show that "the folks up north regard you as legitimate colleagues."
"It bothers me that people have wrongly declared them to be racists," Sale said.
The League of the South says it is not racist, but proudly displays a Confederate Battle Flag on its banner.
Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, which monitors hate groups, said the League of the South "has been on our list close to a decade."
"What is remarkable and really astounding about this situation is we see people and institutions who are supposedly on the progressive left rubbing shoulders with bona fide white supremacists," Potok said.
Sale said the League of the South "has not done or said anything racist in its 14 years of existence," and that the Southern Poverty Law Center is not credible.
"They call everybody racists," Sale said. "There are, no doubt, racists in the League of the South, and there are, no doubt, racists everywhere."
Harry Watson, director of the Center For the Study of the American South and a history professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said it was a surprise to see The Middlebury Institute conferring with the League of the South, "an organization that's associated with a cause that many of us associate with the preservation of slavery."
He said the unlikely partnering "represents the far left and far right of American politics coming together." |
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| mingmen |
Secessionists = the only thing they execute faster than anarchists.
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| Ass Boil |
| They should have met in Jonestown. |
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| Calistan |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
They should have met in Jonestown. |
Admittedly the pic has nothing to do with the topic of this thread...But I just couldn't resist.
As for this secession movement, It sounds like those nutty-nut-nuts are tired of just playing Nation States. Speaking of which, am I the only one who got bored of that game? |
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| Ass Boil |
| Is that a pic of the 2004 Republican Presidential Convention? :p |
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| SorryBoss |
I say we allow places such as Vermont and Berkeley, Ca to secede. Then, once they are their own country, we launch a full scale military invasion, killing every one of those liberal douchebags, and simply take the land back! Of course we might want to wait for W to leave office because I don't want to hear about the war in Vermont for the next 5 yrs!
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| Ass Boil |
What an American thing to say.
Please climb onto the roof of your mobile home and wait for the next tornado, shitbag. |
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| Stonewall |
This is nothing new.
In the period of the country's founding leading up to the Civil War the threats of secession were always coming from the South and the New England States.
The more things change the more they stay the same. |
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| SorryBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
What an American thing to say.
Please climb onto the roof of your mobile home and wait for the next tornado, shitbag. |
I'll take the first sentence of your post as a compliment, so TY. The second part however seems like you're projecting your lifestyle onto me, because I don't think there is a mobile home within 50 miles of me. Now Jeffersonville, I now there's some white trailor trash there. Here's some homes in your neck of the woods for example:
http://homes.realtor.com/search/sea...9141&ml=3&typ=8
Feel free to look for mobile homes on the market in my area, while you're on the site looking at your Mama's double-wide up for sale. :gdf: |
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| Bronks Breasts |
| Is Sorry boss our newest neocon dumbass ? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Bronks Breasts
Is Sorry boss our newest neocon dumbass ? |
probably off the reservation from gen chat :jj: |
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| SorryBoss |
| Yeah, because I obvously didn't insult "W" in my first post, which is something neo-con dumbass' don't do. Try to keep up. :gdf: |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by SorryBoss
Yeah, because I obvously didn't insult "W" in my first post, which is something neo-con dumbass' don't do. Try to keep up. :gdf: |
I must be wrong...no sense of humor. |
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| Bronks Breasts |
| Sorry boss... please head back to your special group... this section of SFN is like an advanced placement class, we have a few select neocons that we keep for our entertainment, however right now we have our mongoloid seats occupied. |
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| ICE CUBAN |
| I've always said that this country is way too large and way too out of control. It really should be a minimum of 3 different countries. |
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| SorryBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by Bronks Breasts
Sorry boss... please head back to your special group... this section of SFN is like an advanced placement class, we have a few select neocons that we keep for our entertainment, however right now we have our mongoloid seats occupied. |
As I said before I'm not a neo-con. I'm also not a left wing homo like you. My poltical views are somewhere in between. From what I see those neocons that you keep around for "entertainment" smack you around pretty good. Pretty much the same way a social misfit like yourself has gotten smacked around his whole life. You were probably pretty happy when a mongoloid would sit in the seat next to you in school, it made you look somewhat smart. But it doesn't really fly here does it? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by SorryBoss
As I said before I'm not a neo-con. I'm also not a left wing homo like you. My poltical views are somewhere in between. From what I see those neocons that you keep around for "entertainment" smack you around pretty good. Pretty much the same way a social misfit like yourself has gotten smacked around his whole life. You were probably pretty happy when a mongoloid would sit in the seat next to you in school, it made you look somewhat smart. But it doesn't really fly here does it? |
wgas? |
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| Bronks Breasts |
| Sorry boss.. Mongoloid ? You should not speak so poorly about yourself. Ah... in this forum calling someone a ' homo": really is not the top tier of insults.. stick around.. you will be well informed. |
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| SorryBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by Bronks Breasts
Sorry boss.. Mongoloid ? You should not speak so poorly about yourself. Ah... in this forum calling someone a ' homo": really is not the top tier of insults.. stick around.. you will be well informed. |
"Mongoloid" is top tier???? :rolleye2: |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by SorryBoss
"Mongoloid" is top tier???? :rolleye2: |
you were funnier promoting genocide |
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| zimmie |
| is tin foil on sale at the Piggly Wiggly in Tennessee this week? |
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| JTProcess |
More than anything these types of stories are "hit pieces" designed to enrage people against liberal groups.
Sean Hannity will be covering this after he's done talking about Iran over footage of the Nazi's invading Poland.
Idiots will rally behind hannity and buy his next book. |
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