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| MD1971 |
| If Bubba does not get a decent raise or is not offered a contract he will turn on Howard. I can see it coming, on his latest blog he hints about not saying certain things give him two weeks. |
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| mkriss5681 |
Quote: Originally posted by MD1971
If Bubba does not get a decent raise or is not offered a contract he will turn on Howard. I can see it coming, on his latest blog he hints about not saying certain things give him two weeks. |
Nah. |
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| baldeaglejones |
| i doubt it |
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| EMFBoss |
If he leaves, he will probably talk shit about sirius management UNLESS he reveals howard has a big say in talent hiring then he will go off on him. Based on the line below from his blog, it seems like the only way he is staying is for less money or years on the contract.
"excited but yet somewhat dissappointed in what lies ahead……i know what it is….i wish i could let you in on it….." |
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| MD1971 |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
If he leaves, he will probably talk shit about sirius management UNLESS he reveals howard has a big say in talent hiring then he will go off on him. Based on the line below from his blog, it seems like the only way he is staying is for less money or years on the contract.
I just dont understand how they cant pay Bubba unless Sirus is really doing that bad. I wonder how much he makes now. Regarding Howard he must know that he took all the money!
"excited but yet somewhat dissappointed in what lies ahead……i know what it is….i wish i could let you in on it….." |
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| slumlord66 |
i don't think he'll turn on Howard. It's really now Howard's fault that the suits are trying to low ball Bubba.
Howard took Bubba under his wing and gave him new life in radio. Bubba will be forever grateful to Howard for that. |
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| MD1971 |
| I know Bubba has to say to himself he works on Fridays, does these meet & greets to market Sirus which he makes no extra money from. Also he has done numerous appearances in Florida at these state fairs and Howard does nothing but get millions of dollars. Anybody would feel a little slighted toward that person!! |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by MD1971
I know Bubba has to say to himself he works on Fridays, does these meet & greets to market Sirus which he makes no extra money from. Also he has done numerous appearances in Florida at these state fairs and Howard does nothing but get millions of dollars. Anybody would feel a little slighted toward that person!! |
Howard does nothing but bring in millions of subs & put the company in the position to merge & win the last 8 quarters as far as subs go
Howard also gave Bubba a chance to broadcast to his fans with Howards approval
Yep ... NOTHING
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| MD1971 |
| Well we will see!! |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by MD1971
Well we will see!! |
We won't see anything ...
Bubba will sign & stay like 95% thought from the beginning
Howard deserves every perk he gets ... look at the state of FM radio after he left |
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| Harleyb0y |
| bubba is a baby, he loves to create drama |
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| Roundhead |
Quote: Originally posted by MD1971
If Bubba does not get a decent raise or is not offered a contract he will turn on Howard. I can see it coming, on his latest blog he hints about not saying certain things give him two weeks. |
So what if he does |
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| Monty Burns |
Quote: Originally posted by MD1971
I know Bubba has to say to himself he works on Fridays, does these meet & greets to market Sirus which he makes no extra money from. Also he has done numerous appearances in Florida at these state fairs and Howard does nothing but get millions of dollars. Anybody would feel a little slighted toward that person!! |
After 30 years of being the number one personality in radio I think Howard has earned all of his perks. He is a little beyond meet and greets. If it wasnt for Howard Sirius would be out of business. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by Monty Burns
After 30 years of being the number one personality in radio I think Howard has earned all of his perks. He is a little beyond meet and greets. If it wasnt for Howard Sirius would be out of business. |
No but Howard should make an appearance at a state fair to make Bubba feel better about his career :p
I think by Bubba's tears at the end of his wedding when he was discussing how much Howards support meant to him he gets it & so do MOST of his listeners, but every once in awhile one gets to start a thread like this :D |
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| Monty Burns |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
No but Howard should make an appearance at a state fair to make Bubba feel better about his career :p |
:D Bubba does meet and greets because he has to. Outside of a few markets most people arent aware of Bubba so he needs to build awareness. People know who Howard is whether they are fans or not. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by Monty Burns
:D Bubba does meet and greets because he has to. Outside of a few markets most people arent aware of Bubba so he needs to build awareness. People know who Howard is whether they are fans or not. |
Of course ... if there is a small chance that Bubba is jealous then he is a douche & I don't think thats close to true.
Bubba appreciated the rub & stationing that Howard gave/gives & has run with it to his credit |
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| Bongo |
| To quote Hootie, you cut your own deals. Howard left millions of dollars and listeners to take a chance on Satelitte. If no one followed, this would have been the biggest failure. Bubba was fined and unhirable on fm/am. Howard told Sirius to hire him due to his broadcasting skill. Bubba was not in a position of strength so he cut the deal he could. I think he has proven his worth and should get a better deal. But Howard is the king of radio and is on another scale to any other radio personality. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by Bongo
To quote Hootie, you cut your own deals. Howard left millions of dollars and listeners to take a chance on Satelitte. If no one followed, this would have been the biggest failure. Bubba was fined and unhirable on fm/am. Howard told Sirius to hire him due to his broadcasting skill. Bubba was not in a position of strength so he cut the deal he could. I think he has proven his worth and should get a better deal. But Howard is the king of radio and is on another scale to any other radio personality. |
Pretty on the $$$
If Bubba has 15 years like Howard had his last 15 then its comparable
Bubba should be & to he credit is thankfull for Howard & it'll be interesting to see what happens in 3 years when Howards deal is up |
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| emtfromny2 |
| He said as recently as this week, he will never ever say a bad word about Howard because Howard gave him a shot when he could have easily buried him. |
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| petergriffin |
| Bubba isn't that ungrateful. |
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| Chase |
| No way Bubba would betray Howard. I think he's an exceptionally loyal guy for the most part. The same can be said for Howard. I think the whole thing boils down to not only money, but legal issues. It's no secret that Bubba already has a couple suits against him, regardless of how unmeritted or frivolous they are it makes corporate nervous. The two biggest questions I have are: A.) Why doesn't Howard call into the show like he used to? It was always compelling to hear the two of them shoot the shit. Hell, Howard was with Bubba for his first ass fingering (that's wierd). B.) Why won't Howard throw his considerable weight around to make sure Bubba gets a decent deal? I've heard Howard discuss the issue and he punctuates it with "I'm not going to tell them how to spend their money". Why not? |
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| TheRealCP Trav |
| Ok, I need to defend Bubba. He so loves meeting people, almost to a fault. Except for Ned and Manson, probably don't hang out the same places, I've happened to be the same place and everyone from Bubba to 25 to Big Dick has said hi. |
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| gottalovesirius |
Quote: Originally posted by Harleyb0y
bubba is a baby, he loves to create drama |
And you sir are a FAG :blowjob: |
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| BrentsBooger |
Quote: Originally posted by Chase
I've heard Howard discuss the issue and he punctuates it with "I'm not going to tell them how to spend their money". Why not? |
Have you seen the place he's building in the hamptons, got to keep the stock price up |
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| BrentsBooger |
Quote: Originally posted by gottalovesirius
And you sir are a FAG :blowjob: |
Now that there is one of those well thought out posts |
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| lghtspeed |
| if bubba ever trashed howard his(bubba's) broadcasting days would be over. Howard is very powerful. |
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| gottalovesirius |
Quote: Originally posted by BrentsBooger
Now that there is one of those well thought out posts |
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| Great Gulag |
| I think Howard has more say than he lets on. if Howard wants Bubba to stay (and I hope he does) then he will make it happen. I think Howard has to know that Bubba has brought more people over than any other person on Sirus (except himself of course) and will give more support as the deadline comes up. |
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| JKGroups |
Anybody that thinks Howard isn't supporting Bubba is not thinking logical (or they do not listen or know Howard)
One thing Howard HATES is change & he is loyal to a fault
He obviously likes Bubba & how he fits & the last thing Howard wants is to go through the hassle of filling Bubba's spot at the last minute
I disagree that Bubba brought a lot of subs though ... I do not think he did but I do think he helped keep some & makes the overall Siri experience better
As I stated in other threads I think Siri thinks Howard can put anybody on 101 & bc of the rub do just as good & other host do not need a 10 person staff & their own studio to support. They look at a Jay Thomas or Breuer as shows that would do great on 101 without Bubba's demands of a bigger budget or the problems that come with a show that crosses the line like Bubba
Bubba's biggest asset is Howard not wanting to replace him ... don't kid yourself |
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| Pills |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
As I stated in other threads I think Siri thinks Howard can put anybody on 101 & bc of the rub do just as good & other host do not need a 10 person staff & their own studio to support. They look at a Jay Thomas or Breuer as shows that would do great on 101 without Bubba's demands of a bigger budget or the problems that come with a show that crosses the line like Bubba
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I don't ever see either of the 2 clowns you mentioned above drawing thousands of people at "fests or "meet and greets". Bullshit...
Bubba should have had a well publized, free , "meet and greet" at a hotspot such as Toronto and he could've proven to Sirius how popular he is. I bet he could've drawn and outdoor crowd
of over 10,000 people during a summer concert event. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by Pills
I don't ever see either of the 2 clowns you mentioned above drawing thousands of people at "fests or "meet and greets". Bullshit...
Bubba should have had a well publized, free , "meet and greet" at a hotspot such as Toronto and he could've proven to Sirius how popular he is. I bet he could've drawn and outdoor crowd
of over 10,000 people during a summer concert event. |
Where has Bubba drawn THOUSANDS ?
No offense but that is a pretty big overstatement
Its that type of thinking that causes these misconceptions about his popularity
Should he get signed = yes
Should he get a better deal = yes
Are you severely over-exaggerating his popularity = yes
He hasn't sold out an 1800 seat Bubbapalooza yet ... lets not get too crazy & think he is on Howards level by drawing thousands everywhere |
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| jimmyritt33 |
I don't think he rips directly on Howard, maybe in subtle ways. There is zero chance that he can keep his feelings to himself. I can hear it now "I probably shouldn't be saying this but..."
I think he will rake a few guys over the coals at Sirius. I wonder if Howard will stick to his word about not even having 101 if Bubba isn't involved. I think if anything, Howard might bad mouth Bubba little bit about his salary expectations. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I don't think he rips directly on Howard, maybe in subtle ways. There is zero chance that he can keep his feelings to himself. I can hear it now "I probably shouldn't be saying this but..."
I think he will rake a few guys over the coals at Sirius. I wonder if Howard will stick to his word about not even having 101 if Bubba isn't involved. I think if anything, Howard might bad mouth Bubba little bit about his salary expectations. |
Howard NEVER said he wouldn't have a 101 just that he rather not if he had to replace Bubba & he even said he is most likely contracted to suplly them with content
Again most of this is because Bubba wants a huge staff & to broadcast from Fla in his own studio ... that is where the $$$ issues stem from |
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| Pills |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
Where has Bubba drawn THOUSANDS ?
No offense but that is a pretty big overstatement
Its that type of thinking that causes these misconceptions about his popularity
Should he get signed = yes
Should he get a better deal = yes
Are you severely over-exaggerating his popularity = yes
He hasn't sold out an 1800 seat Bubbapalooza yet ... lets not get too crazy & think he is on Howards level by drawing thousands everywhere |
Downtown , this summer in Toronto at a FREE outdoor event,,,at least 10,000 people.
The cheap bastards at Sirius are forcing the crew to charge a hefty fee for the Fest in Arizona. Can you imagine the numbers at a free outdoor event in Phoenix, Seattle etc.? |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by Pills
Downtown , this summer in Toronto at a FREE outdoor event,,,at least 10,000 people.
The cheap bastards at Sirius are forcing the crew to charge a hefty fee for the Fest in Arizona. Can you imagine the numbers at a free outdoor event in Phoenix, Seattle etc.? |
No offense bc its great you are such a diehard fan but you are somewhat insane
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| Pills |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
No offense bc its great you are such a diehard fan but you are somewhat insane
:p |
Little Ferral was at an outdoor event in Toronto and was stunned at the turnout. You have to think big. Howard did.
Ferral ain't Bubba by any stretch of the imagination.
Broaden your horizons ,man, The Great Howard will be gone soon.
MTT alone won't satsify me.
Bubba CAN replace him. |
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| SpringBreakGuy |
I first heard of Bubba from Howard.
How would anyone outside of FL even hear of Bubba if it wasn't for Sirius?
Without trashing Bubba, I would think Howard (since his has so much invested in SIRI) would want someone on 101 recognized nationwide that will draw subscriptions. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by SpringBreakGuy
I first heard of Bubba from Howard.
How would anyone outside of FL even hear of Bubba if it wasn't for Sirius?
Without trashing Bubba, I would think Howard (since his has so much invested in SIRI) would want someone on 101 recognized nationwide that will draw subscriptions. |
Of course but to be honest Howard did not have a lot of option to start because others had contracts. Bubba was already in negotiations with Siri & Howard needed programming. Once Howard met him & saw how much mutual enemies in CCC & the FCC they had in common & got to know him it was a great fit & worked out for both of them. |
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| Chase |
| Bubba has the potential to be a national name, he just needs a more of a push from corporate. I think Howard recognizes that, but he needs to be more active in how the talent on his channels are handled. He has to realize that both Howard 100 AND Howard 101 are a direct reflection on him. Just sayin'. |
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| TheRealCP Trav |
| Just two more of my cents. Without sounding like I'm doggin' Stern, this is just an opinion on the shows in terms of a product. Howard's show is New York City'ish. I have nothing against that. But, Florida is weird. We like making money to grill in mid-Jan and hang out. I know what I want to say. Can't we all just share our hate for O&A? |
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| Hoboken Pete |
| Bubba is likely to reveal what Billy and Jackie silently stewed about -- Howard has a massive say in what people get and is cheap, cheap, cheap. This is the man who gets 500 mm and gives his staff, who are listening to Sirius 24 hrs a day, Stilettos for Christmas. Oh sure, he bought them. Howard pays Robin blood money for enabling his bits about the blakes for years, and everyone else nothing at all. I would like to hear Brent's take on it after they don't get a new contract (bear in mind Sirius will not offer them sufficient money, bank on it). |
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| TheRealCP Trav |
| Does Bubba deserve a 16 mil/3 year deal? Yes. Should he take 2 mil/3 year satellite deal? You fuckin' bet. You can sell a lot more shit, and 16 mil doesn't go far when Bubba and the FCC are involved. I love Bubba, but any company that takes him and protential FCC fines on is stupid. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by Hoboken Pete
Bubba is likely to reveal what Billy and Jackie silently stewed about -- Howard has a massive say in what people get |
Howard supported Jackie getting raises for 15 years & even supported Jackie last raise but Jackie held-out & then came crawling back after they hired someone
You also are wrong about Billy West as well
He was paid a lot as a PT personality but had to decide to stay in NYC or go to LA for his V.O. career & his wife asked Tom to match what they could make in la (millions) & of course Tom couldn't
From BillyWest.com:
Why did you leave the Stern show?
I was there from 1990 to 1995 and was already doing national commercials and two new cartoons on NickelodeonRen & Stimpy and Doug. Even though I loved the work I did and fun of ground-breaking radio, I had to leave the radio show because there was no money in it. I was very well thought out before I went to LA. I was also very lucky.
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Howard also threw Jackie a bone by giving him his own show on Siri
0-2 on those :D
I hate when people post their misguided opinions as if they actually KNOW something as fact from the inside :rolleyes: |
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| jimmyritt33 |
I wouldn't call it "throwing Jackie a bone" almost every other 700PM show is an abortion of a show. I think Howard knew that Jackie would jump at the chance for an easy gig. And Howard knows that most of the 7PM programming isn't what he envisioned for the channel. Hell if Howard had such a vision for the channels, why did it take so long to get the Ferrall show on several months after Howard started on Sirius? Howard can only pass off so much how he wants Bubba on the channels and how he is in Bubba's corner.
And the one thing I am semi-confused about is that when Brent and Bubba were brought over to Sirius, why did they go over to Buchwald's office? If they were already signed up (as is widely noted) why would they need to see Howard's agent? |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I wouldn't call it "throwing Jackie a bone" almost every other 700PM show is an abortion of a show. I think Howard knew that Jackie would jump at the chance for an easy gig. And Howard knows that most of the 7PM programming isn't what he envisioned for the channel. Hell if Howard had such a vision for the channels, why did it take so long to get the Ferrall show on several months after Howard started on Sirius? Howard can only pass off so much how he wants Bubba on the channels and how he is in Bubba's corner.
And the one thing I am semi-confused about is that when Brent and Bubba were brought over to Sirius, why did they go over to Buchwald's office? If they were already signed up (as is widely noted) why would they need to see Howard's agent? |
First paragraph = you don't know as much as you "assume"
Second paragraph = the are on Howards channel & brand & with that comes guidelines and agreements. Just because they were in negotiations with Siri on their own doesn't mean they have no reason to meet with Howards representation if they want to be affiliated with his brand. No offense but the fact you were/are "semi-confused" about it backs up my other comment :p |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| but isn't everybody just making assumptions JK? |
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| cultgti |
| The Howard’/Bubba talk should not even be happening. Bubba has made it very clear that Howard and the Stern show has shown him nothing but love and support. If you have not figured out by now Stern is a big time GERM freak and he does not like change is his schedule (hence he does not go out for new movie nights with one of the hottest POA Beth O on a work night). Bubba is an exact opposite, he loves to meet the fans and bump elbows and shake hands. He likes to put a "face" to the show and thats great. I have never met one person from the Stern show (I live in Seattle Wa) or Bubba's but he makes it possible with the meet and greats. I was lucky enough to get a set of VIPS for phoenix so I will be able to meet these guys. My point in all of this is Bubba fills in areas that Howard does not, meeting the fans and being more at "eye level" with the fan base. Ferrel does this as well (if your a big sports guy). I hear all the money and time that is being spent in the merger with is a direct result why they are having a hard time spending money for any ones contract right now. Its a business thing but on the other hand you have some one that really cares about the companies success so lets all hope Sirius makes the right move and keeps BTLS for a long time. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
but isn't everybody just making assumptions JK? |
To an extent but when the people involved are saying its a certain way its a lot more of an assumption to say its not
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Bubba says Howards supportive
Jackie's contract negotiations & stand-offs are legendary
Billy West stated himself why he left
Its far more of an assumption to think that everyone is lying & that someone that is nowhere near the situation knows the inside info. |
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| ralphsafag44 |
Quote: Originally posted by MD1971
If Bubba does not get a decent raise or is not offered a contract he will turn on Howard. I can see it coming, on his latest blog he hints about not saying certain things give him two weeks. |
I agree with you 100% Bubba is very adversarial and he loves feuds and enemies and who more high profile to have than the KOAM |
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| JKGroups |
We MIGHT have the closest thing to an answer regarding the 100m a year breakdown between Howard & the channels ...
Mel K. is response to Howards deal ...
Howard got $80 million a year in cash. To make that deal work, you need a million subscribers paying $120 a year or $12.95 a month.
So maybe Howard gets 80m & there is an approx 20m operational budget for 100/101 |
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| ArtieEatsEarth |
| I'd be very disappointed in Bubba if he went the Stern bashing route. Would show poor character methnks. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by ArtieEatsEarth
I'd be very disappointed in Bubba if he went the Stern bashing route. Would show poor character methnks. |
He wouldn't badmouth Howard because there is NO reason to.
The biggest reason Bubba is in a position to negotiate or get another offer from FM is because Howard gave him a potential audience. If Bubba was on RawDog instead he'd have at best "maybe" 100k but Howard promoted him to a few million & put him on the biggest brand on SatRad.
If he does leave Siri for FM he would thank Howard for giving him a huge potential audience and become the only DJ Howard ever took under his wing (so to speak) & Howard would thank BTLS for giving him 2 years of great radio.
Anybody thinking otherwise is foolish |
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| Scales |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
So maybe Howard gets 80m & there is an approx 20m operational budget for 100/101 |
I don't have many links, but I thought it was commonly beleived that Howard got 70 million of the 100 million, and 30 was meant for the budget for the channels.
There is confusion as to if the stock opitons are included in the big 500 million number, or an extra bonus on top of
There is also speculation that various lawsuits including the CBS one, might have really cut into the operational budget, and that lead to the downfall of the original big news team, and also affected HTV's budget, with 48 employees and currently downsizing, in some negative way. |
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| Chase |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
He wouldn't badmouth Howard because there is NO reason to.
The biggest reason Bubba is in a position to negotiate or get another offer from FM is because Howard gave him a potential audience. If Bubba was on RawDog instead he'd have at best "maybe" 100k but Howard promoted him to a few million & put him on the biggest brand on SatRad.
If he does leave Siri for FM he would thank Howard for giving him a huge potential audience and become the only DJ Howard ever took under his wing (so to speak) & Howard would thank BTLS for giving him 2 years of great radio.
Anybody thinking otherwise is foolish |
Agreed, completely. Bubba owes his career resurgence to Howard and he readily admits that. I think Bubba is a perfect fit in Howard's world and I hope the suits at Sirius recognize that. I couldn't imagine anyone else doing as good a job on Howard 101 in afternoon drive than the BRN. They have their shit together and it shows. |
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| Chob |
Quote: Originally posted by JKGroups
He wouldn't badmouth Howard because there is NO reason to.
The biggest reason Bubba is in a position to negotiate or get another offer from FM is because Howard gave him a potential audience. If Bubba was on RawDog instead he'd have at best "maybe" 100k but Howard promoted him to a few million & put him on the biggest brand on SatRad.
If he does leave Siri for FM he would thank Howard for giving him a huge potential audience and become the only DJ Howard ever took under his wing (so to speak) & Howard would thank BTLS for giving him 2 years of great radio.
Anybody thinking otherwise is foolish |
Exactly. Bubba seems extremely loyal to friends and those that help him out. Hell, he speaks fondly of people he used to work with at Clear Channel even if the company itself screwed him over. |
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| Chob |
Quote: Originally posted by Scales
I don't have many links, but I thought it was commonly beleived that Howard got 70 million of the 100 million, and 30 was meant for the budget for the channels.
There is confusion as to if the stock opitons are included in the big 500 million number, or an extra bonus on top of
There is also speculation that various lawsuits including the CBS one, might have really cut into the operational budget, and that lead to the downfall of the original big news team, and also affected HTV's budget, with 48 employees and currently downsizing, in some negative way. |
Here's a statement from Mel:
Tribune: Was the Howard Stern deal a winner? He all but credits you for saving his life, his career.
Karmazin: I'm not sure I'd like to be known for that. Howard got $80 million a year in cash. To make that deal work, you need a million subscribers paying $120 a year or $12.95 a month.
The day I started, which was a month after he started, there were 700,000 [Sirius] subscribers. Our last number that we issued was 7.7 million. Now, if you ask Howard, those 7 million subscribers all came because of him. But, do we believe that we received over a million subscribers [because of Stern]? Yes. I think Howard has helped satellite radio.
More in this thread:
http://www.sternfannetwork.com/foru...threadid=310844 |
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| Chob |
Quote: Originally posted by Pills
Little Ferral was at an outdoor event in Toronto and was stunned at the turnout. You have to think big. Howard did.
Ferral ain't Bubba by any stretch of the imagination.
Broaden your horizons ,man, The Great Howard will be gone soon.
MTT alone won't satsify me.
Bubba CAN replace him. |
I just have a hard time thinking of it in terms of "replacing" Howard. If the Howard channels are still around after he retires there may be a live morning show, and it might be Bubba (even though I'd rather have his show on in the afternoon). But it's not like Coast to Coast where someone is taking someone else's spot on a show. Howard is a true original and a legend in radio. There is no replacing him. Not all of Howard's fans will like Bubba's show or be willing to give it a chance. In my opinion no one can "replace" Howard and god willing, if Bubba continues to broadcast for a long time, no one will be able to replace him when he retires. |
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