Bad news here liberals on your political investment in failure and surrender
October 30, 2007
Iraq war deaths show sharp decline
Iraqi, U.S. military officials: It's too soon to say war has reached turning point
Officials says Iraqi government must do better job of political reconciliation
Number of U.S. military deaths in October is the lowest since March 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The number of U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths has dropped dramatically, according to recent reports, although American military officials said it is too soon to declare a turning point in the conflict.
An Iraqi boy sifts through debris after a car bomb went off in a Baghdad neighborhood Monday.
Thirty-seven Americans have died in October, the lowest monthly figure since March 2006 when 31 perished, according to the U.S. military.
Three soldiers died Tuesday southeast of Baghdad when a roadside bomb struck a U.S. military patrol.
The number of Iraqi civilians killed in September was 844, down from 1,990 in January, according to Iraqi governmental figures provided to CNN.
Slain bodies found dumped in Baghdad dropped from 428 in August to 301 in September and 151 so far in October, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said.
The numbers mark a decline in fatalities since the war began in March 2003 and point to a decrease in violence after a year of pitched battles and sectarian strife.
Still, cautious U.S. and Iraqi military officials aren't ready to proclaim a decisive moment in the war, saying such an outlook would require the Iraqi government to do a better job of promoting political reconciliation and compromise.
"Well, I think we're almost there," said Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq, interviewed by CNN. "I tell everybody we have momentum. We've not yet created what I consider to be irreversible momentum, but our goal is to create that irreversible momentum."
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Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said, "We are in a race against time. We have to make the best use of time ... to step in before this achievement could evaporate."
Other examples of a decline in violence have emerged as well. Watch how a music store owner views the drop in violence »
An Iraqi commander, Lt. Gen. Abud Qanbar, said last week there have been steep decreases in attacks such as car bombings, terrorist operations against Iraqi security forces and civilians, and sectarian assassination attempts.
Iraqi and U.S. officials point to several factors contributing to this decline:
The "surge" offensive added nearly 30,000 U.S. troops this year in Baghdad and insurgent-filled regions near the capital such as Anbar and Diyala provinces.
The Mehdi Army, the militia of the anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, is holding to its cease-fire. Authorities believe the militia has been responsible for killing Sunnis and rival Shiites.
Strides are being made in combating the Sunni-dominated al Qaeda in Iraq.
U.S. and Iraqi officials have been pointing to the rise of an anti-al Qaeda "awakening" among the Sunni tribes and a growing rejection of Sunni insurgents.
Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a military spokesman in Baghdad, said progress made against al Qaeda in Iraq and other "criminal elements" has led to a drop in attack levels that has spurred "a decrease in casualties."
Along with the so-called surge, Odierno cited the improved performance of Iraqi security forces and Iraqis working together and "forgetting about the old hatreds."
Iraqi government officials said key compromises must be made among sectarian groups, such as accommodating more Sunnis in the Shiite-dominated Iraqi police and making economic and not just military improvements.
"One simple truth is that the government has to do a better job," Zebari said.
Sunni lawmaker Saleh Mutlaq, an outspoken critic of the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, said the security situation is improving in Iraq, but might not last long.
"Well, it is improving, but my feeling is that this improvement is temporary because it doesn't reflect the presence of the American army and the Iraqi army volume in Baghdad and other cities."
Mutlaq added that the fight against al Qaeda is not over.
"Al Qaeda is very strong," he said. "It has been weakened in some areas but this weakness is only because the people of Iraq realize that al Qaeda is not good for them, especially the Sunni parts."
The Sunni lawmaker also attributed the improvement in security to Iraqis -- "especially the resistance" -- realizing that "the presence of the Iranians in Iraq is more important to fight than the Americans."
Other developments
U.S.-led coalition forces killed four terrorists and detained 17 suspects in operations overnight targeting al Qaeda in Iraq networks in central and northern Iraq, the U.S. military said Tuesday. The raids were south of Baghdad, in Mosul, northwest of Tarmiya, near Kirkuk and in Baiji.
The blast that wounded U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Dorko on Monday was caused by an armor-piercing explosive device that the U.S. military said comes from Iran. Dorko is being treated in Germany for shrapnel wounds after the blast near his vehicle, Pentagon sources said. Dorko is the second brigadier general to be wounded in the Iraq war.
Taliban fighters have overrun a second district in western Afghanistan, a district governor said Friday, warning the rebels could be planning to sweep into his own area.
The police and administration heads of the strategic Bakwa district in Farah province had fled after days of attacks by scores of rebels, the official said, after the militants late Monday took the adjacent Gulistan district.
Taliban insurgents have previously overrun several districts in remote parts of Afghanistan, including Bakwa, but are easily ejected by the international militaries here to aid the country's own weak security forces.
They have, however, held the district of Musa Qala, close to Gulistan, since February and the area is considered a Taliban base.
Bakwa police had made a "tactical withdrawal" to Delaram district after a new Taliban attack late Thursday, said Delaram governor Yahya Riadth.
"Taliban have control over Bakwa district now and the police and district governor have retreated to our district," he said.
Riadth warned his district, bordered by both Bakwa and Gulistan, could also be attacked.
"The government needs to reinforce our district urgently otherwise we have intelligence reports that the Taliban will attack us from both districts they have captured," he said.
Bakwa district governor Mawlawi Janan said the district administration centre was burnt down in Thursday's assault, which police said earlier was carried out by about 100 Taliban.
Officials had been forced to "temporarily" move elsewhere, he said, without confirming his whereabouts.
Farah police chief Abdul Rehman Sarjang said one policeman was killed and one wounded in the heavy fighting in Bakwa overnight. "An unknown number of Taliban were also killed and wounded," he said.
Bakwa police chief Mohammad Hashim said the withdrawal had been on the orders of authorities but was not significant. "We are ready to take back the district," he told AFP.
The main road to Iran, one of Afghanistan's most important trading partners, runs through the volatile district, which has seen a surge in Taliban-linked violence in the past few months.
NATO-led and Afghan security forces were preparing a fresh attempt to regain control of Gulistan, police said.
The Taliban were in government between 1996 and 2001, when they were driven from power for harbouring Al-Qaeda after the 9/11 attacks.
The hardliners have regrouped to wage an insurgency that is focused on southern and eastern Afghanistan but has gained footholds in other parts of the country, such as Bakwa.
The violence has claimed at least 5,000 lives this year, with most of the dead rebel fighters, according to a tally of tolls released by various officials.
In other attacks linked to the insurgency, a remotely detonated bomb blew up a police vehicle near the border with Pakistan, killing three policemen and wounding three more, Kunar province police chief Abdul Jalal Jalal told AFP.
Elsewhere in the same mountainous province, Taliban militants attacked a police post overnight and killed a policeman and wounded another, Jalal said.
A suicide attacker blew himself up in the eastern town of Sharan, wounding four civilians, most of them taxi drivers, Paktika province deputy police chief Farooq Sangari said.
"The suicide bomber has been torn into pieces and only his head is remaining," he said.
The target of the blast was unclear as there were no security convoys in the area. There was no immediate claim of responsibility but the Taliban have carried out scores of such attacks this year.
Perhaps there is a bit of hope for the Bush Derangement Syndrome crowd.
zimmie
When you go back to class Monday, ask Ms. Sally to show you where Iraq is.
HINT HINT....It's not in Afghanistan dummy
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247 :rolleyes:
Another Afghan district falls to Taliban
Fri Nov 2, 2:06 PM ET
Taliban fighters have overrun a second district in western Afghanistan, a district governor said Friday, warning the rebels could be planning to sweep into his own area.
The police and administration heads of the strategic Bakwa district in Farah province had fled after days of attacks by scores of rebels, the official said, after the militants late Monday took the adjacent Gulistan district.
Taliban insurgents have previously overrun several districts in remote parts of Afghanistan, including Bakwa, but are easily ejected by the international militaries here to aid the country's own weak security forces.
They have, however, held the district of Musa Qala, close to Gulistan, since February and the area is considered a Taliban base.
Bakwa police had made a "tactical withdrawal" to Delaram district after a new Taliban attack late Thursday, said Delaram governor Yahya Riadth.
"Taliban have control over Bakwa district now and the police and district governor have retreated to our district," he said.
Riadth warned his district, bordered by both Bakwa and Gulistan, could also be attacked.
"The government needs to reinforce our district urgently otherwise we have intelligence reports that the Taliban will attack us from both districts they have captured," he said.
Bakwa district governor Mawlawi Janan said the district administration centre was burnt down in Thursday's assault, which police said earlier was carried out by about 100 Taliban.
Officials had been forced to "temporarily" move elsewhere, he said, without confirming his whereabouts.
Farah police chief Abdul Rehman Sarjang said one policeman was killed and one wounded in the heavy fighting in Bakwa overnight. "An unknown number of Taliban were also killed and wounded," he said.
Bakwa police chief Mohammad Hashim said the withdrawal had been on the orders of authorities but was not significant. "We are ready to take back the district," he told AFP.
The main road to Iran, one of Afghanistan's most important trading partners, runs through the volatile district, which has seen a surge in Taliban-linked violence in the past few months.
NATO-led and Afghan security forces were preparing a fresh attempt to regain control of Gulistan, police said.
The Taliban were in government between 1996 and 2001, when they were driven from power for harbouring Al-Qaeda after the 9/11 attacks.
The hardliners have regrouped to wage an insurgency that is focused on southern and eastern Afghanistan but has gained footholds in other parts of the country, such as Bakwa.
The violence has claimed at least 5,000 lives this year, with most of the dead rebel fighters, according to a tally of tolls released by various officials.
In other attacks linked to the insurgency, a remotely detonated bomb blew up a police vehicle near the border with Pakistan, killing three policemen and wounding three more, Kunar province police chief Abdul Jalal Jalal told AFP.
Elsewhere in the same mountainous province, Taliban militants attacked a police post overnight and killed a policeman and wounded another, Jalal said.
A suicide attacker blew himself up in the eastern town of Sharan, wounding four civilians, most of them taxi drivers, Paktika province deputy police chief Farooq Sangari said.
"The suicide bomber has been torn into pieces and only his head is remaining," he said.
The target of the blast was unclear as there were no security convoys in the area. There was no immediate claim of responsibility but the Taliban have carried out scores of such attacks this year.
Please restrict your Bush Derangement Syndrome to your "failure" thread.
VacateTheWord
US economy surges 3.9 pct despite housing, credit woes
The US economy grew by a robust 3.9 percent in the third quarter despite tight credit that is deepening a housing slump, as consumers regained their appetite for spending, the government said Wednesday.
The economy surprisingly accelerated from 3.8 percent growth in the second quarter to post the strongest expansion since the first quarter of 2006 , Commerce Department data showed.
The glowing picture of the world's largest economy came hours ahead of a widely anticipated Federal Reserve interest rate cut.
The Fed said it had lowered its base federal funds rate by a quarter-point to 4.50 percent to keep the world's largest economy growing at a "moderate" pace, but forecast slower growth "partly reflecting the intensification of the housing correction."
The US economy's surprising strong performance in the July-September period exceeded the Wall Street forecast for a quarterly slowdown to a 3.1 percent rise in gross domestic product (GDP), a measure of output of goods and services in the country.
"Solid economic growth was matched by moderate inflation making this about as good a report on the economy as you can get," said Joel Naroff, chief economist at Naroff Economic Advisors.
"This may have been the summer of the housing market's discontent but it clearly wasn't for the rest of the economy," Naroff said.
The Commerce Department said its first estimate of third-quarter growth, based on incomplete data, reflects stronger gains in consumer spending and exports.
Consumer spending, which accounts for roughly two-thirds of US output, rebounded to a 3.0 percent annualized pace, after a weak 1.4 percent gain in the second quarter.
Exports, underpinned by a weak dollar, grew by a whopping 16.2 percent, up from 7.5 percent in the second quarter.
GDP growth was partly offset by a 5.2 percent increase in imports, after a decrease of 2.7 percent in the second quarter, and a steepening decline in residential investment, from homebuying to housing construction.
Residential investment plunged by 20.1 percent, nearly double the 11.8 percent decline in the prior quarter, reflecting the collapse of the once-hot housing market since 2006.
Inflation news was encouraging. The Commerce Department said its "core" inflation gauge, excluding food and energy prices, rose 1.8 percent, compared with 1.4 percent in the second quarter. But the increase was within the 2.0 percent Fed target for acceptable pressure on the economy.
The expansion in the second and third quarters followed an anemic 0.6 percent pace in the first quarter, but analysts warned that clouds remain on the horizon for the current quarter and its holiday shopping season.
"With real house prices now falling at close to a 7.0 percent annual rate, wealth in existing homes is falling by 1.4 trillion dollars a year," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a Washington think tank.
"It is difficult to believe that this rate of wealth destruction will not have an impact on consumption."
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie Bad news here liberals on your political investment in failure and surrender
October 30, 2007
Iraq war deaths show sharp decline
Iraqi, U.S. military officials: It's too soon to say war has reached turning point
Officials says Iraqi government must do better job of political reconciliation
Number of U.S. military deaths in October is the lowest since March 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The number of U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths has dropped dramatically, according to recent reports, although American military officials said it is too soon to declare a turning point in the conflict.
An Iraqi boy sifts through debris after a car bomb went off in a Baghdad neighborhood Monday.
Thirty-seven Americans have died in October, the lowest monthly figure since March 2006 when 31 perished, according to the U.S. military.
Three soldiers died Tuesday southeast of Baghdad when a roadside bomb struck a U.S. military patrol.
The number of Iraqi civilians killed in September was 844, down from 1,990 in January, according to Iraqi governmental figures provided to CNN.
Slain bodies found dumped in Baghdad dropped from 428 in August to 301 in September and 151 so far in October, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said.
The numbers mark a decline in fatalities since the war began in March 2003 and point to a decrease in violence after a year of pitched battles and sectarian strife.
Still, cautious U.S. and Iraqi military officials aren't ready to proclaim a decisive moment in the war, saying such an outlook would require the Iraqi government to do a better job of promoting political reconciliation and compromise.
"Well, I think we're almost there," said Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq, interviewed by CNN. "I tell everybody we have momentum. We've not yet created what I consider to be irreversible momentum, but our goal is to create that irreversible momentum."
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Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said, "We are in a race against time. We have to make the best use of time ... to step in before this achievement could evaporate."
Other examples of a decline in violence have emerged as well. Watch how a music store owner views the drop in violence »
An Iraqi commander, Lt. Gen. Abud Qanbar, said last week there have been steep decreases in attacks such as car bombings, terrorist operations against Iraqi security forces and civilians, and sectarian assassination attempts.
Iraqi and U.S. officials point to several factors contributing to this decline:
The "surge" offensive added nearly 30,000 U.S. troops this year in Baghdad and insurgent-filled regions near the capital such as Anbar and Diyala provinces.
The Mehdi Army, the militia of the anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, is holding to its cease-fire. Authorities believe the militia has been responsible for killing Sunnis and rival Shiites.
Strides are being made in combating the Sunni-dominated al Qaeda in Iraq.
U.S. and Iraqi officials have been pointing to the rise of an anti-al Qaeda "awakening" among the Sunni tribes and a growing rejection of Sunni insurgents.
Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a military spokesman in Baghdad, said progress made against al Qaeda in Iraq and other "criminal elements" has led to a drop in attack levels that has spurred "a decrease in casualties."
Along with the so-called surge, Odierno cited the improved performance of Iraqi security forces and Iraqis working together and "forgetting about the old hatreds."
Iraqi government officials said key compromises must be made among sectarian groups, such as accommodating more Sunnis in the Shiite-dominated Iraqi police and making economic and not just military improvements.
"One simple truth is that the government has to do a better job," Zebari said.
Sunni lawmaker Saleh Mutlaq, an outspoken critic of the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, said the security situation is improving in Iraq, but might not last long.
"Well, it is improving, but my feeling is that this improvement is temporary because it doesn't reflect the presence of the American army and the Iraqi army volume in Baghdad and other cities."
Mutlaq added that the fight against al Qaeda is not over.
"Al Qaeda is very strong," he said. "It has been weakened in some areas but this weakness is only because the people of Iraq realize that al Qaeda is not good for them, especially the Sunni parts."
The Sunni lawmaker also attributed the improvement in security to Iraqis -- "especially the resistance" -- realizing that "the presence of the Iranians in Iraq is more important to fight than the Americans."
Other developments
U.S.-led coalition forces killed four terrorists and detained 17 suspects in operations overnight targeting al Qaeda in Iraq networks in central and northern Iraq, the U.S. military said Tuesday. The raids were south of Baghdad, in Mosul, northwest of Tarmiya, near Kirkuk and in Baiji.
The blast that wounded U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Dorko on Monday was caused by an armor-piercing explosive device that the U.S. military said comes from Iran. Dorko is being treated in Germany for shrapnel wounds after the blast near his vehicle, Pentagon sources said. Dorko is the second brigadier general to be wounded in the Iraq war.
GAO: Reduction In Violence Due To ‘Ethnically Cleansed Neighborhoods’ In Iraq
Looking for signs of progress in Iraq, the Bush administration has been quick to jump on reports of reduced violence in Iraq. The “violence is thankfully coming down,” said White House spokesperson Dana Perino. Violence is “down significantly from last year,” declared President Bush.
In a hearing before the House Appropriations Committee today, Joe Christoff of the Government Accountability Office stated that this recent reduction in violence should be taken with a grain of salt, as it coincides with increased sectarian cleansing and a massive refugee displacement:
I think that’s [ethnic cleansing] an important consideration in even assessing the overall security situation in Iraq. You know, we look at the attack data going down, but it’s not taking into consideration that there might be fewer attacks because you have ethnically cleansed neighborhoods, particularly in the Baghdad area. […]
It’s produced 2.2. million refugees that have left, it’s produced two million internally displaced persons within the countryas well.
Watch it:
Christoff’s conclusions echo that of ret. Gen. James Jones last month, who observed “progress” in a Shi’a-led ethnic cleansing campaign.
Also in attendance at the hearing was Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) Stuart Bowen. In his quarterly report to Congress released today, Bowen acknowledged the reduction in violence but stated that it has not been accompanied by tangible political reconciliation, a finding that was neglected by the traditional media in its reporting today. In Baghdad, for example, Provincial Reconstruction Team officials note:
Despite reduced violence, officials are pessimistic that lasting reconciliation is occurring. … In Diyala, there is a desire to work toward reconciliation, but it will take years to overcome ill-will between tribes.
Earlier this month, Gen. David Petraeus confidently declared, “There’s a local reconciliation” in Diyala province.
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd US economy surges 3.9 pct despite housing, credit woes
Hey zimmietard, is the "US economy" in Iraq?
You better tell VaCunt...
:rolleyes:
harley-davidson
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247 Hey zimmietard, is the "US economy" in Iraq?
You better tell VaCunt...
:rolleyes:
Give the cocksucker a break he served in the armed forces at 3
Fdubya247
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd Please restrict your Bush Derangement Syndrome to your "failure" thread.
...why do you run from reality so, VaCunt???
Are you that much of a colossal pussy...?
:yes:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie When you go back to class Monday, ask Ms. Sally to show you where Iraq is.
HINT HINT....It's not in Afghanistan dummy
See post #7, retaad.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo HAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA,,,
Awww... that was cute. Too bad they are only reporting what the GAO said.
Back to the drawing board with you, dummy. :jj: :jj:
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247 Hey zimmietard, is the "US economy" in Iraq?
You better tell VaCunt...
:rolleyes:
Sorry, I thought this was intended to be a general thread regarding the President's success.
But that's fine, as there is plenty of good news about the War in Iraq these days.
zimmie
oh no!!!!! First it was CNN, now CBS!!!!...
if only they were unbiased like thinkprogress!!!!....we could believe them!
U.S. Deaths In Iraq Continue To Decline
Officials Credit Troop Surge For Drop In U.S. Military And Iraqi Civilian Deaths
Comments 108 | Page 1 of 2
BAGHDAD, Oct. 23, 2007
U.S. Army troops guard a checkpoint in the Mansour district in western Baghdad. The death toll for U.S. soldiers, as well as Iraqi civilians, is on pace to decline for a second straight month in October. (AP Photo/Wisam Sami)
(CBS/AP) October is on course to record the second consecutive decline in U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths and American commanders say they know why: the U.S. troop increase and an Iraqi groundswell against al Qaeda and Shiite militia extremists.
Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch points to what the military calls "Concerned Citizens" - both Shiites and Sunnis who have joined the American fight. He says he's signed up 20,000 of them in the past four months.
"I've never been more optimistic than I am right now with the progress we've made in Iraq. The only people who are going to win this counterinsurgency project are the people of Iraq. We've said that all along. And now they're coming forward in masses," Lynch said in a recent interview at a U.S. base deep in hostile territory south of Baghdad. Outgoing artillery thundered as he spoke.
Lynch, who commands the 3rd Infantry Division and once served as the military spokesman in Baghdad, is a tireless cheerleader of the American effort in Iraq. But the death toll over the past two months appears to reinforce his optimism. The question, of course: Will it last?
As of Tuesday, the Pentagon has reported 28 U.S. military deaths in October. At the current pace, the monthly total will be about 37 or 38. That would be the lowest total since 31 in March 2006 and the second lowest monthly toll stretching back to February 2004, when 20 soldiers died.
In September, 65 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq.
Part of the trend can be seen in a volatile and violent band of lush agricultural land on Baghdad's southern border.
The commander of the battle zone - Lt. Col. Val Keaveny, 3rd Battalion, 509th Infantry (Airborne) - said his unit has lost only one soldier in the past four months despite intensified operations against both Shiite and Sunni extremists, including powerful al Qaeda in Iraq cells.
Keaveny attributes the startling decline to a decrease in attacks by militants who are being rounded up in big numbers on information provided by the citizen force - which has literally doubled the number of eyes and ears available to the military.
VacateTheWord
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil See post #7, retaad.
A cut and paste from "ThinkProgress."
I'm sure Hillary Clinton would thank you for pushing her propaganda.
Know any dirt-poor dishwashers from Chinatown in NYC who are looking to donate the maximum to your gal's campaign?
VacateTheWord
More Iraqi Citizens Identify with Government, Coalition
WASHINGTON — One sign of the improved security environment in Iraq is the growing number of Iraqis stepping forward to take back their communities from extremists, a top Coalition commander said today.
Speaking to Pentagon reporters via teleconference from Baghdad, Army Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno said Concerned Local Citizens (CLC) groups across Iraq are providing valuable information to the Coalition and Iraqi Security Forces (ISF).
The movement began in the Sunni Arab province of Anbar, but it is spreading to Shiite provinces and mixed areas of Baghdad, the general said. “Bound together by a desire for peace and prosperity, the Iraqi people are overcoming differences to provide a better future for their children,” he said.
More than 60,000 Iraqis are volunteering to provide security in their neighborhoods. The Iraqi government’s National Reconciliation Committee is serving as a bridge between the various tribes of the country and the ministries of Interior and Defense to absorb some of these volunteers into the ISF, Odierno said.
These CLC are providing information Coalition and Iraqi forces need to find extremists and weapons caches, stop financial support to terrorists and criminals, and stop sectarian violence, the general said.
“Due largely to tips from Concerned Local Citizens, the amount of illegal arms, ammunition and explosives recovered from caches just over the past 15 days is staggering: over 37,000 pounds of explosives, a thousand gallons of nitric acid used to make homemade explosives, over (2,000) artillery rounds and over (500) rockets, (136) assembled explosively formed penetrators, along with (359) copper discs used to make more (penetrators), and hundreds of rifles, grenades, anti-tank weapons and suicide vests,” Odierno said.
Explosively formed penetrators are especially deadly shaped charges designed to pierce armor.
The Iraqi government also is looking at ways to use these volunteers to work on rebuilding Iraq. The general said providing security is the first step in building irreversible momentum for peace.
“We still have much work to do is this area, but the planning has begun,” he said. “This is having an effect not only on the levels of violence, but also on relations between members of different sects, between the Iraqi people as well as the government, and between Iraqis and the Coalition.”
Providing the basic services to the Iraqi people would make a huge difference in how people receive the government. “(Iraqi) Prime Minister (Nouri al-) Maliki has come out here and discussed how he believes that the next year will be the year of providing services to the people, so the words are right,” Odierno said. “I challenge them now to really act on those words.”
Local people have set the standard for cooperation in the country. “We are seeing much more capability at local leadership levels, at town levels, at community levels, at the provincial level, and their ability now to coordinate with the central government and to begin to help and provide services to the people of Iraq,” Odierno said. “So that is a bit encouraging.”
The general said the government is making progress in providing services. Electricity generation is up, but so is demand -- another bit of fallout from the improved security situation in the country. The nation is shipping more oil to market, water projects are coming on line, and sewage systems are being maintained. “Those are important signs,” he said.
“But this infrastructure is in bad shape, and it's going to take time for it to be completely fixed, and it's going to take action by the government of Iraq as well as us,” the general continued.
The government and the Coalition have a long way to go to provide basic services to the war-torn land, but there are hopeful signs. “What the Iraqi people want to see are people out there trying to get it done, and they're starting to see that, and I think that's important,” Odierno said.
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord A cut and paste from "ThinkProgress."
I'm sure Hillary Clinton would thank you for pushing her propaganda.
Know any dirt-poor dishwashers from Chinatown in NYC who are looking to donate the maximum to your gal's campaign?
Another idiot with reading comprehension problems.... The GAO is the source of the information, bunghole.
try again.
zimmie
MSNBC too?......the home of Keith (BallWasher) Olbermann !!!!
this really sucks!!!
Sharp decline in U.S. troop deaths in Iraq
Officials cite U.S. ‘surge,’ civilian assistance as reasons for decrease
October is on course to record the second decline in U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths in as many months, a testament, American commanders say, to the U.S. troop increase and Iraqi disgust with al-Qaida and Shiite militia extremists.
updated 8:24 p.m. ET, Tues., Oct. 23, 2007
BAGHDAD - October is on course to record the second consecutive decline in U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths and Americans commanders say they know why: the U.S. troop increase and an Iraqi groundswell against al-Qaida and Shiite militia extremists.
Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch points to what the military calls “Concerned Citizens” — both Shiites and Sunnis who have joined the American fight. He says he’s signed up 20,000 of them in the past four months.
“I’ve never been more optimistic than I am right now with the progress we’ve made in Iraq. The only people who are going to win this counterinsurgency project are the people of Iraq. We’ve said that all along. And now they’re coming forward in masses,” Lynch said in a recent interview at a U.S. base deep in hostile territory south of Baghdad. Outgoing artillery thundered as he spoke.
Lynch, who commands the 3rd Infantry Division and once served as the military spokesman in Baghdad, is a tireless cheerleader of the American effort in Iraq. But the death toll over the past two months appears to reinforce his optimism. The question, of course: Will it last?
October troop death toll: 28
As of Tuesday, the Pentagon reported 28 U.S. military deaths in October. That’s an average of about 1.2 deaths a day. The toll on U.S troops hasn’t been this low since March 2006, when 31 soldiers died — an average of one death a day.
In September, 65 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq.
Part of the trend can be seen in a volatile and violent band of lush agricultural land on Baghdad’s southern border.
The commander of the battle zone — Lt. Col. Val Keaveny, 3rd Battalion, 509th Infantry (Airborne) — said his unit has lost only one soldier in the past four months despite intensified operations against both Shiite and Sunni extremists, including powerful al-Qaida in Iraq cells.
Keaveny attributes the startling decline to a decrease in attacks by militants who are being rounded up in big numbers on information provided by the citizen force — which has literally doubled the number of eyes and ears available to the military.
The efforts to recruit local partners began taking shape earlier this year in the western province of Anbar, which had become the virtual heartland for Sunni insurgents and al-Qaida bands. The early successes in Anbar — coming alongside a boost of 30,000 U.S. forces into the Baghdad area — led to similar alliances in other parts of Iraq.
“People are fed up with fear, intimidation and being brutalized. Once they hit that tipping point, they’re fed up, they come to realized we truly do provide them better hope for the future. What we’re seeing now is the beginning of a snowball,” said Keaveny, whose forces operate out of Forward Operating Base Kalsu, about 35 miles south of Baghdad.
Civilian, security force deaths also decrease
While U.S. death figures appear to be in sharp decline, the number of Iraqi civilians and security forces show a less dramatic drop. And any significant attack — by insurgents or civilians caught in the crossfire — could quickly wipe out the downward trend.
The current pace of civilian deaths would put October at less than 900. The figure last month was 1,023 and for August, 1,956, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press.
The AP tally is compiled from hospital, police and military officials, as well as accounts from reporters and photographers. Insurgent deaths are not included. Other counts differ and some have given higher civilian death tolls.
While the decline in deaths is notable, it is only one of many measures of potential progress in Iraq, said Anthony Cordesman, a former Pentagon analyst now with the private Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
Cordesman said a more balanced picture needs to include factors such as wounded civilians and soldiers and the number of people fleeing their homes. The U.N. refugee agency said Tuesday that between 1,000 and 2,000 Iraqis still leave their homes each day for safer havens in the country or in neighboring nations. “It’s just been going up slowly,” said U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees spokeswoman Astrid van Genderen Stort in Geneva.
“The numbers we’re dealing with here are only major acts of violence, the number of times people are killed,” said Cordesman. “This is certainly progress ... but it has to be put in perspective.”
Lynch’s mission also shows the slow pace of reclaiming areas from militants. His troops and their new local allies must work town by town, village by village.
Sunni Sheik Emad Ghurtani is among those helping.
“Honestly, I’m not going to hide this from you,” Ghurtani told Lynch as the two stood talking at a newly established tribal check point near Haswa, a village just north of the Kalsu base.
“There is some al-Qaida here in this area. But, God willing, we will get rid of them. ... The citizens are coming out. They’re not afraid any more,” the tall and handsome tribal leader said. Three scruffy young men watched, AK-47s slung over their shoulders, in the sandbag bunker at the check point.
Lynch, hatless on the balmy autumn day, answered in staccato sentences.
“What we really need is information. You know where al-Qaida is. You know who they are. You have to tell us. We can use all our capabilities to take out the enemy. But you have to tell us where they are, because you know. You’ve got our total support.”
The sheik, who made Lynch promise to return for lunch one day, responded with striking eloquence.
“Because of what the American forces have accomplished, instead of us moving step by step we’re going to start running toward the enemy ... Instead of walking, we’re going to start running now. We just need the weapons and ammunition,” Ghurtani said.
A common enemy
The guard force at the checkpoint changed during the conversation. Three young men barely out of their teens, ancient Kalashnikovs in hand, strolled town the dirt road that led back into Ghurtani territory. Their U.S.-provided uniforms are a vest with a reflective orange band akin to what road crews wear in the United States.
Ghurtani complained they hadn’t been paid the $100 a month the Americans had promised.
“If I get some of the money they need I can get them shoes, some vests and some ammunition. If they can find me cheap weapons, we can start getting these men ready. God willing in the next few days,” the sheik said.
Most heartening, Lynch said, was the checkpoint just across the road and over an irrigation canal. It was run by Shiites.
Lynch said the checkpoints on opposite sides of the road highlighted a kind of reconciliation by necessity: not fighting each other but protecting themselves from a common enemy.
“They have to be convinced that we’re not leaving. That’s the issue. If they were to think we’re leaving we’d have also sorts of trouble,” Lynch said, clambering over a makeshift earthen bridge across the canal.
Fighting against al-Qaida
The local Shiite sheik wasn’t at the checkpoint.
He was in a hospital recovering from injuries in a car crash. Two ragtag fellows in their 20s stood up from their sandbag bunker and told Lynch they needed money to buy weapons. “Al-Qaida has all kinds of weapons. We just have these old rifles,” one of them said pointing to his dilapidated Kalashnikov.
“OK. We just continue to work together to get you the money so you can buy better weapons, better ammunition, uniforms. Improve your check point. We just have to work together,” Lynch said, spinning on his heel and marching back to his nine-Humvee convoy.
On to Haswa, down a road known for Iranian-made roadside bombs, a Kiowa gunship clattered above as protection. Back at division headquarters, public affairs officers were hammering out more press statements about how Concerned Citizens were leading soldiers to militant weapons caches and turning in extremists fighters.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie oh no!!!!! First it was CNN, now CBS!!!!...
if only they were unbiased like thinkprogress!!!!....we could believe them!
U.S. Deaths In Iraq Continue To Decline
Officials Credit Troop Surge For Drop In U.S. Military And Iraqi Civilian Deaths
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BAGHDAD, Oct. 23, 2007
U.S. Army troops guard a checkpoint in the Mansour district in western Baghdad. The death toll for U.S. soldiers, as well as Iraqi civilians, is on pace to decline for a second straight month in October. (AP Photo/Wisam Sami)
(CBS/AP) October is on course to record the second consecutive decline in U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths and American commanders say they know why: the U.S. troop increase and an Iraqi groundswell against al Qaeda and Shiite militia extremists.
Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch points to what the military calls "Concerned Citizens" - both Shiites and Sunnis who have joined the American fight. He says he's signed up 20,000 of them in the past four months.
"I've never been more optimistic than I am right now with the progress we've made in Iraq. The only people who are going to win this counterinsurgency project are the people of Iraq. We've said that all along. And now they're coming forward in masses," Lynch said in a recent interview at a U.S. base deep in hostile territory south of Baghdad. Outgoing artillery thundered as he spoke.
Lynch, who commands the 3rd Infantry Division and once served as the military spokesman in Baghdad, is a tireless cheerleader of the American effort in Iraq. But the death toll over the past two months appears to reinforce his optimism. The question, of course: Will it last?
As of Tuesday, the Pentagon has reported 28 U.S. military deaths in October. At the current pace, the monthly total will be about 37 or 38. That would be the lowest total since 31 in March 2006 and the second lowest monthly toll stretching back to February 2004, when 20 soldiers died.
In September, 65 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq.
Part of the trend can be seen in a volatile and violent band of lush agricultural land on Baghdad's southern border.
The commander of the battle zone - Lt. Col. Val Keaveny, 3rd Battalion, 509th Infantry (Airborne) - said his unit has lost only one soldier in the past four months despite intensified operations against both Shiite and Sunni extremists, including powerful al Qaeda in Iraq cells.
Keaveny attributes the startling decline to a decrease in attacks by militants who are being rounded up in big numbers on information provided by the citizen force - which has literally doubled the number of eyes and ears available to the military.
If you don't know what the GAO is, just ask......
Ass Boil
CRS: Bush’s GWOT strategy fuels terrorism in Middle East.
The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service yesterday released a report challenging President Bush’s Middle East counterterrorism strategy, noting that “[d]emocratization…may actually undermine U.S. security interests and exacerbate the terrorism problem”:
[T]here may be potential threats from groups or individuals aligned with other extremist causes or ideologies. Some wonder whether the emphasis on a single front in the war on terror might leave the country vulnerable to surprise attacks from groups that have been overlooked. […]
The Strategy does not include a discussion and contingency plan for a scenario in which one does not “win.” […]
There is heavy emphasis in the 2006 Strategy on democratization as a means of countering terrorism. Viewed in the context of the mixed success of fledgling democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan and the persistence of autocratic regimes among U.S. allies in the Middle East, the credibility and effectiveness of this strategic thrustmay merit scrutiny.
In a speech in Dallas today, Vice President Cheney confidently declared that “a free democratic Iraq will be a strategic partner in the heart of the Middle East, helping us fight and win the war on terror.”
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd Sorry, I thought this was intended to be a general thread regarding the President's success.
But that's fine, as there is plenty of good news about the War in Iraq these days.
:lol:
VacateThe:shit:
Ass Boil
White House Selectively Edits ABC Iraq Report: Deletes Criticisms Before Sending To Reporters
On ABC World News with Charles Gibson last night, ABC National Security Correspondent Jonathan Karl filed a report about the recent decline in American troop casualties in Iraq. In the report, Karl noted that “violence in Iraq is down,” but added that “there has been almost no political progress on the national level”:
In fact, there’s been almost no political progress on the national level, and U.S. officials know military gains won’t mean much if the Iraqi government doesn’t get its act together, which is one reason the Pentagon doesn’t even want to use the word “winning.”
Watch it:
After the report aired, the White House sent the piece out in an official White House publication called “White House Iraq Update.” But, as Karl writes today, the White House edited his report before sending it out, making it look “like an unqualified declaration of success in Iraq.”
In the version sent out by the White House, all references to a lack of political progress were removed. Here is full segment that the White House did not want reporters to see:
O’HANLON: … and it doesn’t answer the questions about political progress.
KARL: In fact, there’s been almost no political progress on the national level, and U.S. officials know military gains won’t mean much if the Iraqi government doesn’t get its act together, which is one reason the Pentagon doesn’t even want to use the word “winning.”
[To Defense Secretary] You’re not ready to say we’re winning, that the surge is working –
ROBERT GATES [Defense Secretary]: (From tape.) I think — I think that those end up being loaded words. I think we have been very successful. We need to continue being successful.
KARL: Today, Defense Secretary Gates said that the reduction in violence would not have been possible without the surge of 30,000 additional troops into Iraq, but, Charlie, those troops are going home in the coming months, raising the question of whether the violence will go up when they leave.
GIBSON: Jonathan Karl tonight reporting from the Pentagon, thanks.
Contacted by ABC, the White House admitted to editing the negative aspects of the report and acknowledged that it was “inappropriate.”
“The White House understands your concern,” White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe told ABC. “And the full text of your report will be released to the same distribution list so that recipients have a chance to see what the entire report was about.”
sounds as though your finally admitting you don't support the troops and their mission.....you must feel better now that your out of the closet about this issue too.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie sounds as though your finally admitting you don't support the troops and their mission.....you must feel better now that your out of the closet about this issue too.
Where exactly did I say that?
Mayve you can tell us why the White House would be editing press coverage of the issue?
zimmie
all areas of Bush success are welcome here. I just don't want it clogging up Al Gore's internets.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie all areas of Bush success are welcome here. I just don't want it clogging up Al Gore's internets.
bring your own turd polish. :p
zimmie
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Where exactly did I say that?
Mayve you can tell us why the White House would be editing press coverage of the issue?
The press doesn't submit their news reports to the WH for approval before publishing them. If this fellow Karl is doing such, he should be fired for being an idiot. Now back to CNN, CBS and MSNBC.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie The press doesn't submit their news reports to the WH for approval before publishing them. If this fellow Karl is doing such, he should be fired for being an idiot. Now back to CNN, CBS and MSNBC.
You didn't answer the question. :jj: :jj: Why is the White House editing news reports about Iraq?
Fdubya247
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil You didn't answer the question. :jj: :jj: Why is the White House editing news reports about Iraq?
What about the FEMA "press conference"... :jj: :jj: :jj:
:opps:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247 What about the FEMA "press conference"... :jj: :jj: :jj:
:opps:
You mean the "FEMA" conference? :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:
Fdubya247
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil You mean the "FEMA" conference? :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:
:lol:
Rike
lol thinkprogress
Fdubya247
Quote: Originally posted by Dike lol thinkprogress
...long time no smell, ass-baby...
zimmie
FEMA?.....nice deflection from the original point of the article. Everyone except those that don't support our troops realizes tremendous progress is being made in Iraq.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by Rike lol thinkprogress
Perfect. Remind us again when you proved a single thing from thinkprogress to be incorrect?
And the GAO is the source of the information, idiot.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie FEMA?.....nice deflection from the original point of the article. Everyone except those that don't support our troops realizes tremendous progress is being made in Iraq.
You must be talking about the GAO?
Those America haters! :jj: :jj: :jj:
zimmie
There are many intelligent, well meaning employees that work for the GAO. I have had a number of opportunities to work with them over the years. That said, their analysis and recommendations miss the mark many times.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie There are many intelligent, well meaning employees that work for the GAO. I have had a number of opportunities to work with them over the years. That said, their analysis and recommendations miss the mark many times.
When did you work with the GAO? In 1987 at age 7? :funny: :funny: :funny:
If they are wrong, prove it.
zimmie
I won't share with you the content of my work with them. Suffice to say their primary role is to investigate, analyze, and make recommendations based on their investigation. One of the best examples of the GAO's ability to make mistakes was their assessment of the Y2K "crisis". You choose to believe whatever you source you wish to.
It's comical to me that you constantly criticize the veracity of the US government here, unless they present a report that coincides with your fringe element views. Then you place the government beyond reproach.........lmao
Max-the-Silent
Before the Battle of the Bulge everything was going our way, the Germans were finished as an army. etc. Somebody forgot to tell them.
After Tet '68 the NVA shot their wad, they were finished.
"Mission Accomplished"
Max-the-Silent
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil When did you work with the GAO? In 1987 at age 7? :funny: :funny: :funny:
If they are wrong, prove it.
He cleans their offices after school.
cecilturtle06
Quote: I won't share with you the content of my work with them.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl:
Not only is he a phony soldier, he's a phony government employee.
Quote: What is GAO?
Under recently passed legislation, we have changed our name from the General Accounting Office to the Government Accountability Office. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) is an agency that works for Congress and the American people. Congress asks GAO to study the programs and expenditures of the federal government. GAO, commonly called the investigative arm of Congress or the congressional watchdog, is independent and nonpartisan. It studies how the federal government spends taxpayer dollars. GAO advises Congress and the heads of executive agencies (such as Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, Department of Defense, DOD, and Health and Human Services, HHS) about ways to make government more effective and responsive. GAO evaluates federal programs, audits federal expenditures, and issues legal opinions. When GAO reports its findings to Congress, it recommends actions. Its work leads to laws and acts that improve government operations, and save billions of dollars.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie I won't share with you the content of my work with them. Suffice to say their primary role is to investigate, analyze, and make recommendations based on their investigation. One of the best examples of the GAO's ability to make mistakes was their assessment of the Y2K "crisis". You choose to believe whatever you source you wish to.
It's comical to me that you constantly criticize the veracity of the US government here, unless they present a report that coincides with your fringe element views. Then you place the government beyond reproach.........lmao
bwaaaahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Did you work there before or after you were a secret agent?
Actually I don't criticize the "veracity" of the "government", you dumbfuck, i question the COMPETENCY of the BUSH administration. YOU are the idiots who say the government is always a failure.
You don't even know what the fuck you are!!!
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent He cleans their offices after school.
After he gets out of detention for pulling the girls pig-tails!
zimmie
lmao.....you guys believe what you want
harley-davidson
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie lmao.....you guys believe what you want
That equates to nothing out of your shit hole, Zimmies credibility at SFN = 0.0
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie lmao.....you guys believe what you want
You're the one who keeps making claims you can't prove, no one else......
zimmie
I have nothing to prove to you or our resident grease monkey HD. Believe as you wish.
Halcyon
For those of you scoring at home:
Bush "success" as defined by zimmie, NCMoron, and VTW can be categorized into TWO(2) major things
1) We killed some stinky a-rabs
2) We captured ANOTHER (this would be probably the 40th) #2 man in al-Qaida
Funny how Bush failures include a shit load of examples. From economy, to military strategy, to vetoing bills, to sending troops into a quagmire ill-equipped.
Gee... it's like you guys really have NO examples of ACTUAL success from this administration.
Maybe it's time for you guys to stop acting like children and quit the facade already.
harley-davidson
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie I have nothing to prove to you or our resident grease monkey HD. Believe as you wish.
Nothing I do for a living involves GREASE, try again RETADD :hw:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie I have nothing to prove to you or our resident grease monkey HD. Believe as you wish.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Then why did you claim you worked at the GAO? No one ASKED if you did.
zimmie
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent He cleans their offices after school.
Ah, here we have our resident phony soldier and phony security expert. Wake up skeeter, it's time for a door check.
Halcyon
zimmie? VTW? NCMike?
Anyone want to explain to me why the only examples of Bush success are almost ALWAYS either we killed some arabs or we captured another #2 guy in al-Qaida?
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie Ah, here we have our resident phony soldier and phony security expert. Wake up skeeter, it's time for a door check.
UNLIKE you, Max has posted his info about where and when he served.
You have some big balls accusing him of being "phony" after your track record here, you subhuman little fuck.
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie Ah, here we have our resident phony soldier and phony security expert. Wake up skeeter, it's time for a door check.
This is my favorite zimmie quote from that thread, though:
Quote:
zimmie
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(post #52)
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
Are you asking a question or answering mine?
Were you a baby genius?
MtS 11BP, 89D, 18B USA 69 - 75, VN 70-71. Echo, 2nd of the 327th, 101st ABN.
You want to talk the talk, you better be able to back it up.
yawn..very impressive......it was 23 years ago.......electronic warfare 33W........big deal...most of the people reliving their service days years later...are losers......
(post #52)
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
Are you asking a question or answering mine?
Were you a baby genius?
MtS 11BP, 89D, 18B USA 69 - 75, VN 70-71. Echo, 2nd of the 327th, 101st ABN.
You want to talk the talk, you better be able to back it up.
yawn..very impressive......it was 23 years ago.......electronic warfare 33W........big deal...most of the people reliving their service days years later...are losers......
Now would someone who actually served say something like that?
I don't think so.
cunning lingo
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Now would someone who actually served say something like that?
I don't think so.
How the fuck would you know?
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo How the fuck would you know?
Because even vets who disagree with each other don't say things like that.
zimmie only said it after being exposed as a liar.
harley-davidson
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Now would someone who actually served say something like that?
I don't think so.
Zimmies party...LOL
cunning lingo
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Because even vets who disagree with each other don't say things like that.
zimmie only said it after being exposed as a liar.
Again, How the fuck would you know what a vet would say? What makes you a fucking expert on vets?
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie I won't share with you the content of my work with them.
:lol:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo Again, How the fuck would you know what a vet would say? What makes you a fucking expert on vets?
I know lots of vets, idiot. My Father was a WW2 vet.
zimmie seemed to be fine making the claim about serving before getting caught lying. Then when Max showed him up he all of a sudden thinks people who talk about their service to be "losers".
I wouldn't expect you to comprehend what is going on. Ask an adult.
cunning lingo
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil I know lots of vets, idiot. My Father was a WW2 vet.
zimmie seemed to be fine making the claim about serving before getting caught lying. Then when Max showed him up he all of a sudden thinks people who talk about their service to be "losers".
I wouldn't expect you to comprehend what is going on. Ask an adult.
MY father was a VET! lol.... Your liberal fucking schmo ....satnding at the airport doesn't make you a pilot , you silly little lib. Stick to trying to ban guns and illegal immagrants rights. That's more your speed.
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo MY father was a VET! lol.... Your liberal fucking schmo ....satnding at the airport doesn't make you a pilot , you silly little lib. Stick to trying to ban guns and illegal immagrants rights. That's more your speed.
:bigcry:
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo MY father was a VET! lol.... Your liberal fucking schmo ....satnding at the airport doesn't make you a pilot , you silly little lib. Stick to trying to ban guns and illegal immagrants rights. That's more your speed.
Did I say I was a Vet? Nope. I said I have never heard a vet say something like that about another vet.
Try and keep up, junior! :p
cunning lingo
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil Did I say I was a Vet? Nope. I said I have never heard a vet say something like that about another vet.
Try and keep up, junior! :p
Exactly, and you'll probably never hear a vet say much, considering there arn't many at the Rainbow Room homo.....Stick to shit that suites you like Parades, knitting and kitty cats....
Ass Boil
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo Exactly, and you'll probably never hear a vet say much, considering there arn't many at the Rainbow Room homo.....Stick to shit that suites you like Parades, knitting and kitty cats....
Back to the gay talk again, huh?
You just can't stop, can you? :jj: :jj: :jj: :jj: :jj: :jj:
VacateTheWord
Thousands return to safer Iraqi capital
In a dramatic turnaround , more than 3,000 Iraqi families driven out of their Baghdad neighborhoods have returned to their homes in the past three months as sectarian violence has dropped, the government said Saturday.
Saad al-Azawi, his wife and four children are among them. They fled to Syria six months ago, leaving behind what had become one of the capital's more dangerous districts — west Baghdad's largely Sunni Khadra region.
The family had been living inside a vicious and bloody turf battle between al-Qaida in Iraq and Mahdi Army militiamen. But Azawi said things began changing, becoming more peaceful, in August when radical anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his
