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| Stonewall |
Pakistan's Musharraf Declares Emergency
Nov 3, 10:23 AM (ET)
By MATTHEW PENNINGTON
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf declared a state of emergency in Pakistan on Saturday ahead of a crucial Supreme Court decision on whether to overturn his recent election win and amid rising Islamic militant violence.
Eight Supreme Court judges immediately rejected the emergency, which suspended the current constitution. The government blocked transmissions of private news channels in several cities and telephone services in the capital, Islamabad, were cut.
"The chief of army staff has proclaimed a state of emergency and issued a provisional constitutional order," a newscaster on state Pakistan TV said, adding that Musharraf, who took power in 1999 coup, would address the nation later Saturday.
Dozens of police blocked the road in front of the Supreme Court building, with the judges believed inside.
The state TV report gave no reason for the emergency but it follows weeks of speculation that he could take the step. Military vehicles patrolled and troops blocked roads in the administrative heart of the capital.
The U.S. and other Western allies urged him this week not to take steps that would jeopardize the country's transition to democracy.
During previous emergencies in Pakistan, a provisional constitutional order has led to the suspension of some basic rights of citizens and for judges to take a fresh oath of office.
"This is the most condemnable act," said Ahsan Iqbal, a spokesman for the opposition PML-N party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif was barred by Musharraf from returning to exile to Pakistan in September to mount a campaign against military rule.
"The whole nation will resist this extra-constitutional measure," he said.
Private Geo TV network reported the eight judges rejected the declaration of emergency and ordered top officials, including the prime minister, and military officers not to comply.
Geo reported that the army had entered the court building, but the report could not immediately be confirmed.
Shahzad Iqbal, an official at a cable TV news provider in Islamabad said authorities were blocking transmissions of private news channels in Islamabad and neighboring Rawalpindi. State TV was still on the air.
"The government has done it," he said.
Residents of Karachi said their cable TV was also off the air.
Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All right reserved.
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| Stonewall |
Musharraf imposes emergency rule
Roadblocks being moved into place
Roadblocks have been set up around the Supreme Court
Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf has declared emergency rule and suspended the country's constitution.
Troops have been deployed inside state-run TV and radio stations, while independent channels have gone off air.
Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, who condemned the moves, has been replaced and is being confined to the Supreme Court with 10 other judges.
It comes as the court was due to rule on the legality of Gen Musharraf's re-election victory in October.
The court was to decide whether Gen Musharraf was eligible to run for election last month while remaining army chief.
The BBC's Barbara Plett reports from Islamabad that fears have been growing in the government that the Supreme Court ruling could go against Gen Musharraf.
Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, who recently returned to the country after years of self-exile to lead her party in the elections, was in Dubai on a personal visit when news of the declaration broke.
However, she immediately boarded a flight back to Pakistan in response, landing in Karachi.
Her return from self-imposed exile last month came about with the co-operation of Gen Musharraf.
Our correspondent says that in the changed circumstances she will have to decide whether she is returning to lead the opposition against the president, or should wait on the sidelines in the hopes of securing an agreement with him.
'Grave threat'
Pakistan's Cabinet is currently meeting to approve Gen Musharraf's declaration of emergency rule. He is expected to address the nation later.
Pakistan has been engulfed in political upheaval in recent months, and the security forces have suffered a series of blows from pro-Taleban militants opposed to Gen Musharraf's support for the US-led "war on terror".
The text of the declaration of emergency says that Gen Musharraf has invoked emergency rule because of mounting militant attacks and interference by members of the judiciary.
It opens with a reference to the "grave threat" posed by the "visible ascendancy in the activities of extremists and incidents of terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings".
It ends by saying that the constitution is in "abeyance" - which, according to our correspondent, in effect means that martial law has been imposed, although there is not a heavy security presence on the streets.
The political and judicial core of Islamabad has been shut down, but the rest of the city is functioning normally, our correspondent says.
New chief justice
She says that it is clear from reading the emergency proclamation the main target is the judiciary which is accused of interfering in government policy and weakening the struggle against terrorism.
Chief Justice Chaudhry and eight other judges refused to endorse the emergency order, declaring it unconstitutional, resulting in Mr Chaudhry's dismissal.
A new chief justice has now been appointed, officials say. He is Supreme Court judge Abdul Hameed Dogar, a supporter of Gen Musharraf who was a member of the special tribunal appointed to investigate allegations of wrongdoing by Mr Chaudhry.
BBC correspondents say international reaction to Gen Musharraf's move will depend on what he says in an address he is expected to make to the nation shortly.
The key issue will be whether parliamentary elections are to be held - if not he can expect huge street demonstrations by his opponents.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, speaking to CNN, has described the declaration of emergency rule as "highly regrettable" and called upon Pakistan to have free and fair elections.
Parliamentary elections are due in January - it is not clear whether they will go ahead.
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| SuperLefty |
| Don't think of it as Fascist Coup, think of it as an aggressive Friend of the Court Brief... |
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| cunning lingo |
| Cool, hopefully we'll get to use our REAL COOL weaponry... |
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| Timmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Pakistan's Musharraf Declares Emergency
Nov 3, 10:23 AM (ET)
By MATTHEW PENNINGTON
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf |
"PRESIDENT". What a fucking joke. The man is a dictator who overthru a democracy. But because hes GW Bushs butt-buddy, everyone ignores that. Hes the same as Kim Jung Il, Saddam, or whozits in Iran. |
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| BarkonCue |
| Cheney's probably glued to the TV, taking notes on how it's going to be declared here. |
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| BeerPal |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
Cheney's probably glued to the TV, taking notes on how it's going to be declared here. |
Are you kidding? He's probably advising Musharref as we speak. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
Cheney's probably glued to the TV, taking notes on how it's going to be declared here. |
Lets hope no nukes get loose. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Lets hope no nukes get loose. |
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| zimmie |
| Maybe Obama can talk to him |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
Maybe Obama can talk to him |
even Obama's coffers aren't big enough to cover the billions Bush is already giving him - |
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| patcracker |
More of that great Bush foriegn policy at work. Way to kill off all the Taliban and Al Qeada in the region. Some great quotes from the decider:
"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002 |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
More of that great Bush foriegn policy at work. Way to kill off all the Taliban and Al Qeada in the region. Some great quotes from the decider:
"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002 |
That last quote is what kills me. What a fuckup. |
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| sixsixsix666 |
Fuck it. Let the Islamo fascist take over. Fuck it. They're only muslims. Fuck it. Liberals want a revolution here....why not in Pakistan?
I'm all for it, destroy the nukes then let pakistan kill itself. Hell, maybe india will nuke them since islamo-fascist will be running the country instead of someone with control.
Hell, if a dictator like Saddam could keep the peace....maybe the taliban can do it in pakistan. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
Fuck it. Let the Islamo fascist take over. Fuck it. They're only muslims. Fuck it. Liberals want a revolution here....why not in Pakistan?
I'm all for it, destroy the nukes then let pakistan kill itself. Hell, maybe india will nuke them since islamo-fascist will be running the country instead of someone with control.
Hell, if a dictator like Saddam could keep the peace....maybe the taliban can do it in pakistan. |
Yeah really.
Why destroy the nukes? Don't the Taliban and al Qaeda have just as much a right to nuclear weapons that we do? Or, Iran?
We could always surrender too. It's kind of our fault that there is a war, because we could have surrendered. We are just bad people for not seeing things like 7th century people do. |
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| sixsixsix666 |
I'm all for islamo-fascist revolution in Pakistan!!!!! After that, Pakistan/islamo-fascist could invade India and take indians for slaves.
Go for it! |
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| patcracker |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
I'm all for islamo-fascist revolution in Pakistan!!!!! After that, Pakistan/islamo-fascist could invade India and take indians for slaves.
Go for it! |
Why dont you recruit yourself to Iraq. |
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| sixsixsix666 |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
Why dont you recruit yourself to Iraq. |
patcracker, I would rather fight you.
I homefront is where ther real war is. |
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| iam72hrstv |
| Musharraf is no George Washington. Bush is no Churchill . Musharraf and Bush are more akin to Hitler and Mussolini. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
Musharraf is no George Washington. Bush is no Churchill . Musharraf and Bush are more akin to Hitler and Mussolini. |
Yeah, your right. They're shooting our citizens in the street that don't agree with policy.... If that was the case - you and your entire family would have 223 holes riddled through your body, idiot. |
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| iam72hrstv |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
Yeah, your right. They're shooting our citizens in the street that don't agree with policy.... If that was the case - you and your entire family would have 223 holes riddled through your body, idiot. |
When Bush and Musharraf declare marshal law to invalidate election results for elections they lost, spy on citizens with a so called Patriot Act, change 'truth' scientists write in reports to fit religious doctrine, and invade countries on a whim, I begin to think of these leaders as Fascist Nazis. |
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| patcracker |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
I homefront is where ther real war is. |
What does this mean? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
Musharraf is no George Washington. Bush is no Churchill . Musharraf and Bush are more akin to Hitler and Mussolini. |
really..when is bush marching millions into the ovens..you are a clueless asshole and minimize the holocaust. you are a faggot whos opinions are all based upon emotion and no facts |
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| iam72hrstv |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
really..when is bush marching millions into the ovens..you are a clueless asshole and minimize the holocaust. you are a faggot whos opinions are all based upon emotion and no facts |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
When Bush and Musharraf declare marshal law to invalidate election results for elections they lost, spy on citizens with a so called Patriot Act, change 'truth' scientists write in reports to fit religious doctrine, and invade countries on a whim, I begin to think of these leaders as Fascist Nazis. |
What part of the US is under Martial Law again?
Spy on citizens....don't worry they aren't trying to find out how much porn you download- Don't flatter yourself.
Media is bullshit period - no matter where you go- especially MOVE ON .ORG..lol
and the ENTIRE congress voted to go to Iraq- call your Senator- Rep......except Kucinich - he thinks there are aliens.... |
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| iam72hrstv |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
What part of the US is under Martial Law again?
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Pakistan the 51st state, Iraq the 52nd state, Afghanistan the 53rd state, and Israel the 54th state. |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
Pakistan the 51st state, Iraq the 52nd state, Afghanistan the 53rd state, and Israel the 54th state. |
alex jones much? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
What part of the US is under Martial Law again?
Spy on citizens....don't worry they aren't trying to find out how much porn you download- Don't flatter yourself.
Media is bullshit period - no matter where you go- especially MOVE ON .ORG..lol
and the ENTIRE congress voted to go to Iraq- call your Senator- Rep......except Kucinich - he thinks there are aliens.... |
...starting to sound pretty desperate there cunty dildo...don't worry, just suck some more Bush cock and you'll feel better...
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...starting to sound pretty desperate there cunty dildo...don't worry, just suck some more Bush cock and you'll feel better...
:ps: |
What's a matter queer-bait ...Joey's cock busy today? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by cunty dildo
What's a matter queer-bait ...Joey's cock busy today? |
...why is Joey's cock always on your mind???
You find out a conservative guy is gay, and you can't get your mind off him, eh?
:giggle: |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
What's a matter queer-bait ...Joey's cock busy today? |
you have one thing on your mind :jj: |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by dredlocke
you have one thing on your mind :jj: |
Cunty might be fantatasizing about "bringing him home to mom"...how cute.
Young gay conservative love... |
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Cunty might be fantatasizing about "bringing him home to mom"...how cute.
Young gay conservative love... |
Nope, Just watching the guy the had to blow Joey to get out of time-out give other people shit.... |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by cunty dingo
Nope, Just watching the guy the had to blow Joey to get out of time-out give other people shit.... |
...rewritting history like a good cockroach...
Its ok, we are used to you being confused...
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| cunning lingo |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...rewritting history like a good cockroach...
Its ok, we are used to you being confused...
:rolleyes: |
Sorry bub, suck one cock and your forever known as a cocksucker, cocksucker.... |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
Nope, Just watching the guy the had to blow Joey to get out of time-out give other people shit.... |
describe it in sweaty detail :D |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by cunning lingo
Sorry bub, suck one cock and your forever known as a cocksucker, cocksucker.... |
what are you thinking about when you type that :jj: |
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| sixsixsix666 |
| Love it. Nuclear Islamo-fascist pakistan!! wooohooo |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
Love it. Nuclear Islamo-fascist pakistan!! wooohooo |
that is your Bush "foreign policy" at work.
the "war on terror" is making us safer than ever :burst: |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by dredlocke
that is your Bush "foreign policy" at work.
the "war on terror" is making us safer than ever :burst: |
Please explain how Bush controls Islamists in Pakistan. Is it because Pakistan is working with the US?
That's what Ayman al-Zawahiri said when he urged people to overthrow the government in early 2004.
Actually I agree that GWB has some blame for this. Not getting Pakistan to clean out the South Waziristan province has come back to haunt them. There should have been so many b-52 flights over that region, the sun should have never hit the ground. |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Please explain how Bush controls Islamists in Pakistan. Is it because Pakistan is working with the US?
That's what Ayman al-Zawahiri said when he urged people to overthrow the government in early 2004.
Actually I agree that GWB has some blame for this. Not getting Pakistan to clean out the South Waziristan province has come back to haunt them. There should have been so many b-52 flights over that region, the sun should have never hit the ground. |
we wasted our time and resources in Iraq and did a half-assed job in Afghanistan - rather than go after OBL. What else do you need to know, sweetie? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by dredlocke
we wasted our time and resources in Iraq and did a half-assed job in Afghanistan - rather than go after OBL. What else do you need to know, sweetie? |
That is not to be disputed but the conflict in Pakistan predates the Bush administration. It is not GWB's fault that Pakistan is in turmoil. It's been like that for a long time.
Were things done wrong on our end in Afghanistan. Hell yeah they were and if Colonel David Hunt is correct and we passed on bombing OBL again a few weeks ago, Pelosi should have GWB and Cheney in hand-cuffs. She must like those two and approve of what the boys are up to. There is no other explanation. |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
That is not to be disputed but the conflict in Pakistan predates the Bush administration. It is not GWB's fault that Pakistan is in turmoil. It's been like that for a long time.
Were things done wrong on our end in Afghanistan. Hell yeah they were and if Colonel David Hunt is correct and we passed on bombing OBL again a few weeks ago, Pelosi should have GWB and Cheney in hand-cuffs. She must like those two and approve of what the boys are up to. There is no other explanation. |
so you agree that the war on terror is a bunch of bullshit
that was easy |
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| iam72hrstv |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
Love it. Nuclear Islamo-fascist pakistan!! wooohooo |
Why are we giving in to the paranoia of terror and OBL propaganda? We are arming Bush and the war machine with reasons to invade Pakistan and Iran. |
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| sixsixsix666 |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
Why are we giving in to the paranoia of terror and OBL propaganda? We are arming Bush and the war machine with reasons to invade Pakistan and Iran. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
Why are we giving in to the paranoia of terror and OBL propaganda? We are arming Bush and the war machine with reasons to invade Pakistan and Iran. |
you answered your own question |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by dredlocke
so you agree that the war on terror is a bunch of bullshit
that was easy |
Hahaha, you flatter yourself if you think your responses are such, they would influence anyone.
Do I think the war on terror is bullshit? That's a stupid question. Islamic terrorist have 40,000 casualties of their bloody hands the last 10 years. Lest you forgot, America has been struck by these Islamist radicals as well, all over the globe. Look at the turmoil in Pakistan right now. I have no such illusions as you seem to have my friend. Islamist radicals declared war on us and the West many years ago.
Now, the problem I have is how we are fighting the war. If a mistake was there to be had in Iraq, we made it. We made about every blunder in the book, including invading in the first place, then the GWB administration compounded the problem fifty times over.
Who do you think this country is at war with in Afghanistan? Of course we went there in the hopes to kill OBL but had we killed him the first day and Taliban resistance not crumbled, we would still be there today. I agree not killing OBL and not putting all the resources and priority on killing that son-of-a-bitch borders on criminal but we are not in Afghanistan exclusively to kill OBL. We are war with the Taliban. A fundamentalist Islamist group bent on the destruction of the West. The war's already started. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Hahaha, you flatter yourself if you think your responses are such, they would influence anyone.
Do I think the war on terror is bullshit? That's a stupid question. Islamic terrorist have 40,000 casualties of their bloody hands the last 10 years. Lest you forgot, America has been struck by these Islamist radicals as well, all over the globe. Look at the turmoil in Pakistan right now. I have no such illusions as you seem to have my friend. Islamist radicals declared war on us and the West many years ago.
Now, the problem I have is how we are fighting the war. If a mistake was there to be had in Iraq, we made it. We made about every blunder in the book, including invading in the first place, then the GWB administration compounded the problem fifty times over.
Who do you think this country is at war with in Afghanistan? Of course we went there in the hopes to kill OBL but had we killed him the first day and Taliban resistance not crumbled, we would still be there today. I agree not killing OBL and not putting all the resources and priority on killing that son-of-a-bitch borders on criminal but we are not in Afghanistan exclusively to kill OBL. We are war with the Taliban. A fundamentalist Islamist group bent on the destruction of the West. The war's already started. |
start a crusade |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
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admit it, you have no idea what he was saying |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
start a crusade |
Too late, radical Islamists got one goin on right now. |
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| dredlocke |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Hahaha, you flatter yourself if you think your responses are such, they would influence anyone.
Do I think the war on terror is bullshit? That's a stupid question. Islamic terrorist have 40,000 casualties of their bloody hands the last 10 years. Lest you forgot, America has been struck by these Islamist radicals as well, all over the globe. Look at the turmoil in Pakistan right now. I have no such illusions as you seem to have my friend. Islamist radicals declared war on us and the West many years ago.
Now, the problem I have is how we are fighting the war. If a mistake was there to be had in Iraq, we made it. We made about every blunder in the book, including invading in the first place, then the GWB administration compounded the problem fifty times over.
Who do you think this country is at war with in Afghanistan? Of course we went there in the hopes to kill OBL but had we killed him the first day and Taliban resistance not crumbled, we would still be there today. I agree not killing OBL and not putting all the resources and priority on killing that son-of-a-bitch borders on criminal but we are not in Afghanistan exclusively to kill OBL. We are war with the Taliban. A fundamentalist Islamist group bent on the destruction of the West. The war's already started. |
yeah, right :rolleyes: |
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| Stonewall |
NC-Stern-Mark,
You keep saying that, "Islamic terrorist have 40,000 casualties of their bloody hands the last 10 years." Where is that number coming from?
ALGERIA - Approximately 130,000 people have been killed in Algeria during the last 9 years or so.
Worldwide Islam Today, by Country
And, that is just one country... |
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| sternowitz |
| OBL is worth much more alive than dead. With OBL dead, people wouldn't be as afraid. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by sternowitz
OBL is worth much more alive than dead. With OBL dead, people wouldn't be as afraid. |
I don't think Americans are "afraid". I think Americans are more aware these days.
You don't see what you would with "fear". The airlines are not suffering for lack of travelers, people are not see ing packages everywhere that they believe are bombs... things are fairly normal.
Americans are more aware however.
Killing bin Laden is the way to go though. Capturing him will lead to no good because Muslims will commit all kinds of atrocity to gain his release. He is the greatest Muslim since Muhammad himself. |
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| sixsixsix666 |
| better go hide mingmen or join your brethren in pakistan for their islamo fascist revolution |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
NC-Stern-Mark,
You keep saying that, "Islamic terrorist have 40,000 casualties of their bloody hands the last 10 years." Where is that number coming from?
ALGERIA - Approximately 130,000 people have been killed in Algeria during the last 9 years or so.
Worldwide Islam Today, by Country
And, that is just one country... |
The source I use is not showing anything near that number.
Their numbers for Algeria, 1968 to present are:
1968 - Present
Incidents Injuries Fatalities
279_____1,601___1,111
Bear in mind. I believe this source only records incidents and casualties from known terror groups. The known terror groups they have listed for Algeria are:
Armed Islamic Group
Canary Islands Independence Movement
Islamic Salvation Front
Polisario Front
Takfir wa Hijra
Unified Unit of Jihad
Union of Peaceful Citizens of Algeria
al-Qaeda
al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
Your numbers are most likely correct but they are not categorized as terror attacks by my source, probably because the casualties are the result of civil conflict. Similar to Iraq.
The description of Algeria is given as:
Algeria
After a century of rule by France, Algeria became independent in 1962. The surprising first round success of the fundamentalist FIS (Islamic Salvation Front) party in the December 1991 balloting caused the army to intervene, crack down on the FIS, and postpone the subsequent elections. The fundamentalist response has resulted in a continuous low-grade civil conflict with the secular state apparatus, which nonetheless has allowed elections featuring pro-government and moderate religious-based parties. The FIS's armed wing, the Islamic Salvation Army, disbanded in January 2000 and many armed militants of other groups surrendered under an amnesty program designed to promote national reconciliation. Nevertheless, small numbers of armed militants persist in confronting government forces and carrying out isolated attacks on villages and other types of terrorist attacks. Other concerns include Berber unrest, large-scale unemployment, a shortage of housing, and the need to diversify the petroleum-based economy
Very similar to Turkey where military intervention was necessary to prevent fundamentalists from taking over the government there. Turkey went back to an Islamist government and all of a sudden, now they want to bomb the Kurds...
Its a pressure-cooker it is. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
The source I use is not showing anything near that number.
Their numbers for Algeria, 1968 to present are:
1968 - Present
Incidents Injuries Fatalities
279_____1,601___1,111
Bear in mind. I believe this source only records incidents and casualties from known terror groups. The known terror groups they have listed for Algeria are:
Armed Islamic Group
Canary Islands Independence Movement
Islamic Salvation Front
Polisario Front
Takfir wa Hijra
Unified Unit of Jihad
Union of Peaceful Citizens of Algeria
al-Qaeda
al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
Your numbers are most likely correct but they are not categorized as terror attacks by my source, probably because the casualties are the result of civil conflict. Similar to Iraq.
The description of Algeria is given as:
Algeria
After a century of rule by France, Algeria became independent in 1962. The surprising first round success of the fundamentalist FIS (Islamic Salvation Front) party in the December 1991 balloting caused the army to intervene, crack down on the FIS, and postpone the subsequent elections. The fundamentalist response has resulted in a continuous low-grade civil conflict with the secular state apparatus, which nonetheless has allowed elections featuring pro-government and moderate religious-based parties. The FIS's armed wing, the Islamic Salvation Army, disbanded in January 2000 and many armed militants of other groups surrendered under an amnesty program designed to promote national reconciliation. Nevertheless, small numbers of armed militants persist in confronting government forces and carrying out isolated attacks on villages and other types of terrorist attacks. Other concerns include Berber unrest, large-scale unemployment, a shortage of housing, and the need to diversify the petroleum-based economy
Very similar to Turkey where military intervention was necessary to prevent fundamentalists from taking over the government there. Turkey went back to an Islamist government and all of a sudden, now they want to bomb the Kurds...
Its a pressure-cooker it is. |
Maybe they are not including atrocities during the civil war.
Did you check out that link? It is good. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Maybe they are not including atrocities during the civil war.
Did you check out that link? It is good. |
They are not. That source only records casualties from incidents which were the work of known terror groups and the 40,000 casualty figure the last ten years is from known Islamic terror groups. If you add in civil strife over conflicts that involve Islam, we are in a whole nother world.
I will check out that site tonight. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
They are not. That source only records casualties from incidents which were the work of known terror groups and the 40,000 casualty figure the last ten years is from known Islamic terror groups. If you add in civil strife over conflicts that involve Islam, we are in a whole nother world.
I will check out that site tonight. |
Takfir wa Hijra is about as close as you can come to describe who the real enemy is in this fight we are in. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Takfir wa Hijra is about as close as you can come to describe who the real enemy is in this fight we are in. |
Yeah well, when you have a group attempt to assassinate OBL because he is too liberal, you can bet they are very dangerous. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Yeah well, when you have a group attempt to assassinate OBL because he is too liberal, you can bet they are very dangerous. |
Yeah, but they are what feeds al Qaeda. And, Zawahiri is a founder.
Jihad Without Rules: The Evolution of al-Takfir wa al-Hijra |
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| GeoDaddy |
The reason that the Bush Admin did not pursue Osama into Pakistan (since any campaign in Afghanistan that was bent on killing Osama would have had to be willing to invade Pakistan to accomplish that goal) is precisely to avoid what is happening now... namely, Musharaff having to call on the loyality of the military in an all out, knock down, drag out fight with the Islamist elements within the military itself...
(And the "Osama" - other than being successful where Ramsey Youseff was not and just one of many many potential mass murderers that are inspired by Islamist Idelology - IS meaningless in the war against these ideology)
We had better hope that Musharaff is successful i.e. wins! Because IF he loses, the nuclear weapons WILL fall into the hands of Islamists and war will be inevitable between Indian and Pakistan... and we "US" will be implelled by mutual national interests to ally ourselves and take an active part to assure that India prevails...
And it will go nuclear because MAD is meaningless to ideology that puts its faith in the NEXT world and not this one...
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by GeoDaddy
The reason that the Bush Admin did not pursue Osama into Pakistan (since any campaign in Afghanistan that was bent on killing Osama would have had to be willing to invade Pakistan to accomplish that goal) is precisely to avoid what is happening now... namely, Musharaff having to call on the loyality of the military in an all out, knock down, drag out fight with the Islamist elements within the military itself...
(And the "Osama" - other than being successful where Ramsey Youseff was not and just one of many many potential mass murderers that are inspired by Islamist Idelology - IS meaningless in the war against these ideology)
We had better hope that Musharaff is successful i.e. wins! Because IF he loses, the nuclear weapons WILL fall into the hands of Islamists and war will be inevitable between Indian and Pakistan... and we "US" will be implelled by mutual national interests to ally ourselves and take an active part to assure that India prevails...
And it will go nuclear because MAD is meaningless to ideology that puts its faith in the NEXT world and not this one...
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Musharaff will not win.
The U.S. did not even know when bin Laden left Afghanistan and did not know where he went. The U.S. does not know where bin Laden is even now. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
better go hide mingmen or join your brethren in pakistan for their islamo fascist revolution |
if you can explain wtf you are talking about - maybe I can let you win one, dumbass |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Musharaff will not win. |
You really have no idea. I cannot see how we can let him lose - but I am sure you will spin some fantastic tale explaining how this will not really turn out. :jj:
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The U.S. did not even know when bin Laden left Afghanistan and did not know where he went. |
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total conjecture
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The U.S. does not know where bin Laden is even now. |
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total conjecture |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by GeoDaddy
The reason that the Bush Admin did not pursue Osama into Pakistan (since any campaign in Afghanistan that was bent on killing Osama would have had to be willing to invade Pakistan to accomplish that goal) is precisely to avoid what is happening now... namely, Musharaff having to call on the loyality of the military in an all out, knock down, drag out fight with the Islamist elements within the military itself...
(And the "Osama" - other than being successful where Ramsey Youseff was not and just one of many many potential mass murderers that are inspired by Islamist Idelology - IS meaningless in the war against these ideology)
We had better hope that Musharaff is successful i.e. wins! Because IF he loses, the nuclear weapons WILL fall into the hands of Islamists and war will be inevitable between Indian and Pakistan... and we "US" will be implelled by mutual national interests to ally ourselves and take an active part to assure that India prevails...
And it will go nuclear because MAD is meaningless to ideology that puts its faith in the NEXT world and not this one...
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wtf? you post in someone else's thread? :ce: |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
The U.S. did not even know when bin Laden left Afghanistan and did not know where he went. The U.S. does not know where bin Laden is even now. |
ppssssssttt...stumpy...check under your bed...quick!
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
You really have no idea. I cannot see how we can let him lose - but I am sure you will spin some fantastic tale explaining how this will not really turn out. :jj: |
Musharaff is finished... Things are spiraling out of control. He'll probably be overthrown in a military coup.
Of course no one can know the future but I don't think Musharaff can keep control and to stop the total breakdown I think a coup will occur. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Musharaff is finished... Things are spiraling out of control. He'll probably be overthrown in a military coup.
Of course no one can know the future but I don't think Musharaff can keep control and to stop the total breakdown I think a coup will occur. |
And I believe it won't. We cannot afford to let that happen on any level. We shall see. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
And I believe it won't. We cannot afford to let that happen on any level. We shall see. |
We have no choice in the matter. It's not like we can do anything about it. We can't afford it but we can't afford many things that are happening. We have 150,000 troops in Iraq and we can't control that situation.
You might be right about Musharaff. But, to me it looks like the beginning of the end and I hope it turns out good. Things rarely turn out good. I hope you are right though. |
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| Stonewall |
NC-Stern-Mark,
Did you read this? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
NC-Stern-Mark,
Did you read this? |
They seem to be an Islamist version of The Westies. |
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