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| Ass Boil |
Nov 8, 6:48 PM EST
Marine: DOD Held Interrogation Testimony
By LAURIE KELLMAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Marine Corps lawyer told a House subcommittee Thursday the Pentagon blocked him from testifying that harsh interrogation methods tripped up his prosecution of a suspected terrorist.
The accusation came as the debate over detainee treatment continued to affect Michael Mukasey's nomination as attorney general, with lawmakers struggling to come to a decision on when a confirmation vote would be scheduled.
"The Department of Defense has decided I cannot testify," Marine Lt. Col. V. Stuart Couch wrote to House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich. "Please be advised that I am willing to testify before the subcommittee in the event I am allowed to do so."
A Pentagon spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.
The chair intended for Couch stayed empty during proceedings by the House subcommittee on the Constitution into the effectiveness of so-called waterboarding and other severe interrogation techniques in eliciting information that might help stop would-be terrorist attacks.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., noted Couch had made speeches and his story published in The Wall Street Journal.
"These are not state secrets," Nadler said of Couch's account. "It is disgraceful that the administration would allow Colonel Couch to make after-dinner speeches about the subject matter, to talk at length to the press about the subject matter, but (be) prohibited from testifying before a duly constituted committee of the Congress."
It was the latest development in an increasingly bitter debate over whether certain harsh interrogation methods should be outlawed in all circumstances. Waterboarding, which makes the subject think he's drowning, is banned by domestic law and international treaties.
But those policies don't cover the use of the technique by CIA personnel, and the administration won't say whether it has allowed the agency's employees to use it against terror detainees.
The question nearly toppled Mukasey's nomination after he refused repeatedly to say whether it allowed the agency's employees to use it against suspected terrorists.
The House and Senate are now considering legislation to outlaw the practice in all circumstances.
The question has dogged Mukasey's nomination after his repeated refusal to equate waterboarding with illegal torture cost him the votes of many Democrats. Promising to enforce any anti-waterboarding law passed by Congress, Mukasey won back a majority of the Senate Judiciary Committee and awaits a confirmation vote by the full Senate.
Still, Senate leaders struggled to agree when to hold the vote. Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said on the Senate floor that a possible vote Thursday had been postponed and that a final vote could come as late as December.
Couch's story adds a dimension to the debate over severe interrogation techniques, taking it beyond moral and legal questions to a practical one: do such methods elicit helpful intelligence, or invalidate it?
A Marine Corps pilot and prosecutor, Couch told the Journal that he refused to proceed with the prosecution of Mohamedou Ould Slahi, accused of helping assemble a terrorist cell that included the hijacker who steered United Flight 175 into the World Trade Center.
Couch halted Slahi's prosecution because he concluded that Slahi's incriminating statements had been obtained through beatings and psychological torture.
"In our zeal to get information, we had compromised our ability to prosecute him," Couch told the paper.
Meanwhile, a former interrogation instructor for the Navy said the words that congressional Democrats wanted to hear from Mukasey: waterboarding is torture and should be banned.
"Waterboarding is torture, period," Malcolm Wrightson Nance, a former Navy instructor of prisoner of war and terrorist hostage survival programs, told a House constitutional subcommittee. "I believe that we must reject the use of the waterboard for prisoners and captives and cleanse this stain from our national honor."
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said at the panel's hearing that he is against torture but that "sometimes we have to take measures to protect the innocent that we do not like."
"Severe interrogations are sometimes part of doing that," said Franks, the ranking Republican on the panel.
As a former master training specialist in survival programs, Nance said he underwent waterboarding as part of his training and that he personally led or was involved in using the procedure on hundreds of other trainees at the Navy's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape program.
Nance described the experience as a "slow motion suffocation" that provides enough time for the subject to consider what's happening: "water overpowering your gag reflex, and then feel(ing) your throat open and allow pint after pint of water to involuntarily fill your lungs."
"The victim is drowning," Nance said in materials submitted with his testimony. The intent during training, he said, is to stop the process before death occurs.
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| Fdubya247 |
"waterboarding is torture and should be banned."
America hating soldier-traitors...!!!
:hitler::ps: |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
lol |
volunteer to get waterboarded, PUSSY. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
lol |
What, you aren't going to call him a traitor?
Go waterboard yourself with Bush cum. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
What, you aren't going to call him a traitor?
Go waterboard yourself with Bush cum. |
You told him to go enjoy himself.... :D |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
You told him to go enjoy himself.... :D |
I heard that was the reward the "Bush Pioneers" got for their 100K... |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Waterboarding will be the primary ride at the new Neo Com amusement park set to open in Wyoming early in 2009.
Cheney World will feature it as the center piece of a multi themed park where you can ride the ferris wheel of denial or take a spin in a gas guzzling logging truck on the way to the de-forrestation area to chop your own tree down.
There will be a Hall of Conservatives comprised of auto annamatronics who will not be as great that the real fakes such as Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh.
Opening soon don't miss the Bilterburger nude marching and drill team.
It will be a scream!
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
You told him to go enjoy himself.... :D |
That's true. He suffocates on that for fun! I should have said 'Clinton cum' :jj: |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
That's true. He suffocates on that for fun! I should have said 'Clinton cum' :jj: |
You didn't see the pic of Dimmie at Dullas international airport.....where are my manners ....happy isn't he ?
[IMG] [/IMG] |
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| mingmen |
| That Marine doesn't know shit. They need to ask a soldier that has been serving since the age of 3 :burst: |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
That Marine doesn't know shit. They need to ask a soldier that has been serving since the age of 3 :burst: |
Zimmie the retarded pinhead? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Zimmie the retarded pinhead? |
:yes: |
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| sixsixsix666 |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
volunteer to get waterboarded, PUSSY. |
How about you do it instead...wait I forgot mommy told you it was too dangerous. |
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| FUPA |
| why do the troops hate the troops so much? |
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| sixsixsix666 |
Quote: Originally posted by FUPA
why do the troops hate the troops so much? |
I don't think they hate the troops. I think they want their 15 minutes of fame. if this guy was important, he wouldn't go on a military base being all cocky. I guarantee you that this guy will not get a red carpet if he went on base.
Ask artcheba.....ask him how former military gets treated when they talk down the troops and give ACTIVE duty a bad name. |
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| Fdubya247 |
| suxsixdix --------------> :ass2mouth <-------------- blackwater |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
How about you do it instead...wait I forgot mommy told you it was too dangerous. |
Nothing to say about the article, dipshit?
"Mommy" isn't saying anything, the former head of the Navy POW and Terror Hostage Survival Programs is telling you it is torture.... |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
I don't think they hate the troops. I think they want their 15 minutes of fame. if this guy was important, he wouldn't go on a military base being all cocky. I guarantee you that this guy will not get a red carpet if he went on base.
Ask artcheba.....ask him how former military gets treated when they talk down the troops and give ACTIVE duty a bad name. |
Please explain how he is "talking down" the troops, you fucking retard?
By taking up the position that waterboarding is NOT torture, YOU are the one "talking down" the troops. We prosecuted Japanese war criminals for waterboarding Allied troops after WW2. You would say that is bullshit. Those war criminals should NOT have been charged with waterboarding our boys, right? |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by sixsixsix666
I don't think they hate the troops. I think they want their 15 minutes of fame. if this guy was important, he wouldn't go on a military base being all cocky. I guarantee you that this guy will not get a red carpet if he went on base.
Ask artcheba.....ask him how former military gets treated when they talk down the troops and give ACTIVE duty a bad name. |
he is talking to you, stupid-ass
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| Kill Van Kull |
Notice how all of the pussies say waterboarding is not torture and all of the brave men say it is...
Remember that next time one of you chickenhawks run your mouth with some bullshit that you think makes you sound tough.
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