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| yambag |
| Please read pages 167-176 of the Report before you talk Shit looks bad for the Skankees. |
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| Bpalm541 |
| Apoc really might be the only rational RedSox fan on the planet. |
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| yambag |
Roger Clemens
Roger Clemens is a pitcher who, from 1984 to 2007, played for four teams in
Major League Baseball, the Boston Red Sox (13 seasons), Toronto Blue Jays (2 seasons),
New York Yankees (6 seasons), and Houston Astros (3 seasons). He has won more than
350 games, seven Cy Young Awards, and was the American League Most Valuable Player in
1986. He was named to All-Star teams eleven times.
During the Radomski investigation, federal law enforcement officials identified
Brian McNamee as one of Radomski’s customers and a possible sub-distributor. McNamee,
through his attorney, entered into a written agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the
Northern District of California. The agreement provides that McNamee will cooperate with the
U.S. Attorney’s Office. No truthful statements can be used against McNamee in any federal
prosecution by that Office; if, however, he should be untruthful in any statements made pursuant
to that agreement, he may be charged with criminal violations, including making false
statements, which is a felony.
As part of his cooperation with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, and at its request,
McNamee agreed to three interviews by me and my staff, one in person and two by telephone.
McNamee’s personal lawyer participated in the interviews. Also participating were federal
prosecutors and agents from the F.B.I. and the Internal Revenue Service. On each occasion,
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McNamee was advised that he could face criminal charges if he made any false statements
during these interviews, which were deemed by the prosecutors to be subject to his written
agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
McNamee attended St. John’s University in New York from 1985 to 1989,
majoring in athletic administration. At St. John’s, he played baseball. From 1990 to May 1993,
he was a New York City police officer.
In 1993, McNamee met Tim McCleary, the assistant general manager of the
New York Yankees, who also had attended St. John’s. McCleary hired McNamee as a bullpen
catcher and batting practice pitcher for the New York Yankees. In 1995, McNamee was released
from his duties after Joe Torre was named the new Yankees manager. From 1995 to 1998,
McNamee trained “Olympic caliber athletes” outside of baseball.
In 1995, McCleary was hired as the assistant general manager for the Toronto
Blue Jays. In 1998, that club hired McNamee as its strength and conditioning coach, and he
served in that position from 1998 to 2000.
Roger Clemens signed with Toronto in 1997, after spending the first thirteen
years of his career with the Red Sox. After McNamee began working for the Blue Jays in 1998,
he and Clemens both lived at the Toronto SkyDome (there is a hotel attached to the stadium).
McNamee and Clemens became close professionally while in Toronto, but they were not close
socially or personally.
Jose Canseco was playing for the Blue Jays in 1998. On or about June 8-10,
1998, the Toronto Blue Jays played an away series with the Florida Marlins. McNamee attended
a lunch party that Canseco hosted at his home in Miami. McNamee stated that, during this
luncheon, he observed Clemens, Canseco, and another person he did not know meeting inside
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Canseco’s house, although McNamee did not personally attend that meeting. Canseco told
members of my investigative staff that he had numerous conversations with Clemens about the
benefits of Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol and how to “cycle” and “stack” steroids. Canseco has
made similar statements publicly.385
Toward the end of the road trip which included the Marlins series, or shortly after
the Blue Jays returned home to Toronto, Clemens approached McNamee and, for the first time,
brought up the subject of using steroids. Clemens said that he was not able to inject himself, and
he asked for McNamee’s help.
Later that summer, Clemens asked McNamee to inject him with Winstrol, which
Clemens supplied. McNamee knew the substance was Winstrol because the vials Clemens gave
him were so labeled. McNamee injected Clemens approximately four times in the buttocks over
a several-week period with needles that Clemens provided. Each incident took place in
Clemens’s apartment at the SkyDome. McNamee never asked Clemens where he obtained the
steroids.
During the 1998 season (around the time of the injections), Clemens showed
McNamee a white bottle of Anadrol-50.386 Clemens told McNamee he was not using it but
wanted to know more about it. McNamee told Clemens not to use it. McNamee said he took the
385 Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant ‘Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball
Got Big 211-13 (Regan Books 2005).
386 Anadrol 50 is the brand name for oxymetholone and, according to a reference book
targeted at steroid abusers, “is considered by many to be the most powerful steroid commercially
available.” See William Llewellyn, Anabolics 2006 99 (5th ed. 2006). It can harm the liver and
produce pronounced androgenic side effects. Id. at 100.
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bottle and gave it to Canseco.387 McNamee does not know where Clemens obtained the
Anadrol-50.
According to McNamee, from the time that McNamee injected Clemens with
Winstrol through the end of the 1998 season, Clemens’s performance showed remarkable
improvement. During this period of improved performance, Clemens told McNamee that the
steroids “had a pretty good effect” on him. McNamee said that Clemens also was training harder
and dieting better during this time.
In 1999, Clemens was traded to the New York Yankees. McNamee remained
under contract with the Blue Jays for the 1999 season. In 2000, the Yankees hired McNamee as
the assistant strength and conditioning coach under Jeff Mangold. According to McNamee, the
Yankees hired him because Clemens persuaded them to do so. In this capacity, McNamee
worked with all of the Yankees players. McNamee was paid both by the Yankees and by
Clemens personally. Clemens hired McNamee to train him during portions of several weeks in
the off-season. McNamee also trained Clemens personally for one to two weeks during spring
training and a few times during the season. McNamee served as the Yankees’ assistant strength
and conditioning coach through the 2001 season.388
McNamee first learned about Kirk Radomski through David Segui during the
2000 season. Also that season, McNamee obtained Radomski’s telephone number from Jason
Grimsley. McNamee wanted to buy a Lexus, and Radomski had a connection with a Lexus
dealer. Radomski recalled that Grimsley was a frequent customer for performance enhancing
387 McNamee stated that he showed the bottle to Canseco because he thought that
Canseco was knowledgeable and he felt comfortable approaching him. According to McNamee,
Canseco volunteered to take the bottle.
388 In his own interview, Mangold was reluctant to discuss McNamee in any respect.
Mangold said that he was not aware of, and never suspected, any player of using performance
enhancing substances.
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substances, and he produced nine checks written by Grimsley to Radomski during 2001 and
2002 and fourteen checks in total.
According to McNamee, during the middle of the 2000 season Clemens made it
clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season,
McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle
labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin that McNamee had obtained from Radomski.
McNamee stated that during this same time period he also injected Clemens four
to six times with human growth hormone he received from Radomski, after explaining to
Clemens the potential benefits and risks of use. McNamee believed that it was probably his idea
that Clemens try human growth hormone. Radomski instructed McNamee how to inject human
growth hormone. On each occasion, McNamee administered the injections at Clemens’s
apartment in New York City.
McNamee said that he and Clemens did not have any conversations regarding
performance enhancing substances from late 2000 until August 2001. McNamee did, however,
train Clemens and Andy Pettitte during the off-season at their homes in Houston. Clemens often
invited other major league players who lived in the Houston area to train with him.
McNamee’s training relationship with Clemens and others has been described
publicly. Peter Gammons reported during spring training 2001:
Brandon Smith, an apprentice trainer with the Yankees, describes Roger
Clemens’ day as follows: “He’s one of the first players in every morning,
runs, does his program with Andy Pettitte, does the team program
workout, goes to the weight room, leaves, plays 18 holes of golf and
finally meets (trainer) Brian McNamee at 6 .. . . and a few other players –
for another workout. It’s incredible how much energy Roger has.”389
389 Peter Gammons, Indians Expecting Better Year, espn.com, Mar. 11, 2001; see also
Gary Graves, Clemens on Fire with Desire; Rigorous Workouts Keep 38-year-old All-Star
Sharp, In Shape, USA Today, July 10, 2001, at C3.
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According to McNamee, Clemens advised him in August 2001 that he was again
ready to use steroids. Shortly thereafter, McNamee injected Clemens with Sustanon or Deca-
Durabolin on four to five occasions at Clemens’s apartment. According to McNamee, he again
obtained these drugs from Kirk Radomski. McNamee concluded from Clemens’s statements and
conduct that Clemens did not like using human growth hormone (Clemens told him that he did
not like the “bellybutton shot”). To McNamee’s knowledge, Clemens did not use human growth
hormone in 2001.
McNamee was not retained by the Yankees after the 2001 season. After that
season, Clemens never again asked McNamee to inject him with performance enhancing
substances, and McNamee had no further discussions with Clemens about such substances.
McNamee stated that Clemens did not tell him why he stopped asking him to administer
performance enhancing substances, and McNamee has no knowledge about whether Clemens
used performance enhancing substances after 2001.
During the years that McNamee stated he facilitated Clemens’s use of steroids
and human growth hormone, McNamee’s discussions with Clemens about use of these drugs
were limited. McNamee assumed that Clemens used performance enhancing substances during
the second half of the season so that he would not tire, but they did not discuss this directly. It
was Clemens who made the decision when he would use anabolic steroids or human growth
hormone. McNamee stated that he tried to educate Clemens about these substances; he “gave
him as much information as possible.”
Clemens continued to train with McNamee after he was dismissed by the
Yankees, according to both McNamee and press reports. In October 2006, after the Los Angeles
Times reported that the names of Clemens and McNamee were among those that had been
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redacted from an affidavit in support of a search warrant for the residence of Jason Grimsley as
allegedly involved with the illegal use of performance enhancing substances, Clemens was
reported to have said: “I’ll continue to use Mac [McNamee] to train me. He’s one of a kind.”390
McNamee was quoted in a December 10, 2006 news article on steroids as
reportedly having said: “I never, ever gave Clemens or Pettitte steroids. They never asked me
for steroids. The only thing they asked me for were vitamins.”391 McNamee told us that he was
accurately quoted but that he did not tell the truth to the reporter who interviewed him. He
explained that he was trying to protect his reputation.
On May 15, 2007, the New York Daily News reported that Clemens had cut ties
to McNamee.392 McNamee denied that and told us that he trained Clemens after the article was
published. He added that Clemens now has a home in the New York area, and McNamee
personally installed a gym there.
McNamee stated that he has no ill will toward Clemens and “was always ahead
[financially] with Roger.” McNamee received money for expenses from Clemens’s business
representatives. They paid McNamee for training Clemens, and for his expenses. From time to
time Clemens also gave McNamee “extra money.” |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Bpalm541
Apoc really might be the only rational RedSox fan on the planet. |
at least on the board, definitely. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by Bpalm541
Apoc really might be the only rational RedSox fan on the planet. |
Yea and if the Red sox pitching staff was on it you would be rational. :rolleyes: |
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| yambag |
| Waiting to hear Nuges spin on this. :rolleyes: |
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| Clit Eastwood. |
| The Mets dished the shit out asshole... |
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| yambag |
| Roger and Andy were on Roids plain and simple.And im not rational :scratch: |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Yea and if the Red sox pitching staff was on it you would be rational. :rolleyes: |
I know you read the report, and Pettite started using in Houston it claims...
So you have Clemens on 2 of the 4 title teams... so if the Mets or Padres didn't have one starting pitcher on steroids, you might have a point, but probably not, the Yankees still breezed through the playoffs, and could have lost the games Clemens pitched and still won the series'. |
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| DestroVega |
| And there could be a Red Sox starter on it, we don't know... this list probably hits 25% of the players who are juicing today. |
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| Apoc13 |
i hate to argue on the yankee fan's side but just because no redsox were on the list doesn't mean they weren't using...that list is not all the players that used roids, it's just the players that were bagged in that particular investigation.
there are hundreds of players that used and just not caught.....though it is enjoyable to see pettitte and clemens on the list...i was rooting for mariano too, oh well |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
i hate to argue on the yankee fan's side but just because no redsox were on the list doesn't mean they weren't using...that list is not all the players that used roids, it's just the players that were bagged in that particular investigation.
there are hundreds of players that used and just not caught.....though it is enjoyable to see pettitte and clemens on the list...i was rooting for mariano too, oh well |
why you would root for anybody to be on a list, esply coming off 2 of the last 4 ws shows how warped you red sox fans really are.
you're almost as bad as whites. this is fucking horrible, this whole thing, for everybody.
and you know what? it accomplished absolutely nothing. |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Waiting to hear Nuges spin on this. :rolleyes: |
hes crying like a lil'bitch. |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
why you would root for anybody to be on a list, esply coming off 2 of the last 4 ws shows how warped you red sox fans really are.
you're almost as bad as whites. this is fucking horrible, this whole thing, for everybody.
and you know what? it accomplished absolutely nothing. |
it was part of baseball the last 15-20 years. everyone did it. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
it was part of baseball the last 15-20 years. everyone did it. |
well, that's what i'm saying. do we really need to spend upwards of $30 million to find that out? |
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| jobbey |
| i wonder if clemons will have a press conference |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Only saying that because it was Clemens and Pettite instead of Ortiz and Manny. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
i hate to argue on the yankee fan's side but just because no redsox were on the list doesn't mean they weren't using...that list is not all the players that used roids, it's just the players that were bagged in that particular investigation.
there are hundreds of players that used and just not caught.....though it is enjoyable to see pettitte and clemens on the list...i was rooting for mariano too, oh well |
exactly bro... props. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
why you would root for anybody to be on a list, esply coming off 2 of the last 4 ws shows how warped you red sox fans really are.
you're almost as bad as whites. this is fucking horrible, this whole thing, for everybody.
and you know what? it accomplished absolutely nothing. |
it's not horrible, in fact, the more players caught the less important the whole roid era scandal becomes...and that's the way it should be...back in the 1920's players were doing shit they shouldn't have been doing, it was probably caffeine or something like that, that helped them...who fucking cares, i certainly don't...and i don't care now...but at the same time it's always fun to poke the yankees and that's why i wanted to see rivera on the list |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
why you would root for anybody to be on a list, esply coming off 2 of the last 4 ws shows how warped you red sox fans really are.
you're almost as bad as whites. this is fucking horrible, this whole thing, for everybody.
and you know what? it accomplished absolutely nothing. |
It accomplished nothing??
Part of fixing a problem is investigating how and what happened in the first place. Baseball had to launch an investigation like this. With all the rumors that were out there...it was time to expose more specifics. |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
i hate to argue on the yankee fan's side but just because no redsox were on the list doesn't mean they weren't using...that list is not all the players that used roids, it's just the players that were bagged in that particular investigation.
there are hundreds of players that used and just not caught.....though it is enjoyable to see pettitte and clemens on the list...i was rooting for mariano too, oh well |
Exactly. I don't see the point in engaging in a flame war here. I absolutely believe Canseco's estimate that 80% of players have used at some point. Too much money, too many careers, too many livelihoods at stake to think that it has not been in the interest of players to at least consider using performance enhancers, if not taking the opportunity to experience the direct benefit and see it transform them from average to star players or to simply be able to compete at a major league level. This shit has been going on since the 70's. They still have the means and every reason to continue to try and beat the system. Too much money involved for it to be any other way. Don't think any players will stupidly be sending checks carrying their names, or signing FedEx packages and such. Fucking idiots. They deserved to get nabbed.
I'm not surprised that Clemens is on the list. Did anyone truly believe that Clemen's longevity had anything to do with his being that rare person who can stave off the aging process and continue to perform at an elite level? Eh, not that anyone would admit it.
Any Red Sox fan (I am one) care to indulge in a little Sox guessing game? Mike Timlin? Dustin Pedroia? Jonathan Papelbon?
Yea, dangerous game, I know. 80% Believe it. |
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| sorabji_66 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
well, that's what i'm saying. do we really need to spend upwards of $30 million to find that out? |
i enjoy watching and going to the game. getting in over 300 games a year with PVR.
i don't play fantasy and don't give a damn about newly invented stats that tell me nothing i didn't know from basic stats.
i still feel the cocaine scandals of the early 80s was far more dangerous, leading to the imprisonment of active players. felt strange seeing Willie Aikens on the field for my Jays after he served time.
this whole era is tarnished and i don't really care anymore about who was ratted out or who had a cheque cashed by a drug kingpin.
still looking forward to next spring and moving on. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
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:spit: That didn't take long. :funny: |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
Jonathan Papelbon? |
seems to suffer from roid rage |
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| yambag |
| In 2001 Sox lost the Pennent by 13.5 games Clemens had 20 Roid induced wins.Things that make you go HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :bigthink: |
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| sorabji_66 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
In 2001 Sox lost the Pennent by 13.5 games Clemens had 20 Roid induced wins.Things that make you go HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :bigthink: |
it's called a pennant.
at one point the pennant went to the NL and AL teams going to the World Series.
i may have missed the day it was declared that the pennant went to a division winner or whatever. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
seems to suffer from roid rage |
Now now, just because the glory years of the late 90's are now tarnished with **************** no need to hate on today's great players with natural ability and talent. |
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| oneldef |
I love how suddenly "Everybody Did It" according to yankee fans.
APoc and anyone else who says that has argument. I'm sure there at least 250 other players not named who were guilty. BUT, there was clearly a steroid atmosphere to that yankee team. Two prominant starters, two key set up men and two everyday players and that is all we know of. Don't put the yankees in the same place as say the K.C. Royals.
I THINK a lot more players cheated, but I KNOW that the yankees did. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by sorabji_66
it's called a pennant.
at one point the pennant went to the NL and AL teams going to the World Series.
i may have missed the day it was declared that the pennant went to a division winner or whatever. |
Take away the 20 wins thats what I was getting at. |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by Clit Eastwood.
The Mets dished the shit out asshole... |
Suuuuure. It's all the Mets fault that most of the Yanks sought out Steroids and shot up. :rolleyes: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
It accomplished nothing??
Part of fixing a problem is investigating how and what happened in the first place. Baseball had to launch an investigation like this. With all the rumors that were out there...it was time to expose more specifics. |
it accomplished absolutely nothing.
we know how it happened. steroids make hit ball far. grrrr.
it's tarnishing the sport even further, rather than taking measures to correct the problem... NOW. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
| "Oh, my goodness gracious! Of all the dramatic things, of all the dramatic things I’ve ever seen, Andy Pettitte standing right in George Steinbrenner’s box shooting a syringe into Roger Clemens' rear end!" -- Suzyn Waldman, WCBS Radio, if she had been paying closer attention |
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| Pocc |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
why you would root for anybody to be on a list, esply coming off 2 of the last 4 ws shows how warped you red sox fans really are.
you're almost as bad as whites. this is fucking horrible, this whole thing, for everybody.
and you know what? it accomplished absolutely nothing. |
Warped? All ive been hearing all week is how Yankee fans are praying for Ortiz,Manny, and Varitek to be on the list so those 2 WS wins mean nothing. Leave this board for a day and broaden your horizons and see what your fellow Yankee fans are saying before you go whining about what another team's fanbase says. Theres a petition going around where I work, made by Yankee fans, to boot Varitek as captain because supposedly he was on the list. Its not just Red Sox fans. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
I love how suddenly "Everybody Did It" according to yankee fans.
APoc and anyone else who says that has argument. I'm sure there at least 250 other players not named who were guilty. BUT, there was clearly a steroid atmosphere to that yankee team. Two prominant starters, two key set up men and two everyday players and that is all we know of. Don't put the yankees in the same place as say the K.C. Royals.
I THINK a lot more players cheated, but I KNOW that the yankees did. |
i know two 2007 sox players cheated. |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
"Oh, my goodness gracious! Of all the dramatic things, of all the dramatic things I’ve ever seen, Andy Pettitte standing right in George Steinbrenner’s box shooting a syringe into Roger Clemens' rear end!" -- Suzyn Waldman, WCBS Radio, if she had been paying closer attention |
:lol: |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
"Oh, my goodness gracious! Of all the dramatic things, of all the dramatic things I’ve ever seen, Andy Pettitte standing right in George Steinbrenner’s box shooting a syringe into Roger Clemens' rear end!" -- Suzyn Waldman, WCBS Radio, if she had been paying closer attention |
:rofl: |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
it accomplished absolutely nothing.
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Why, 'cause it proved your team cheated to win?
NY Yankees - 22 World Championships |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc
Warped? All ive been hearing all week is how Yankee fans are praying for Ortiz,Manny, and Varitek to be on the list so those 2 WS wins mean nothing. Leave this board for a day and broaden your horizons and see what your fellow Yankee fans are saying before you go whining about what another team's fanbase says. Theres a petition going around where I work, made by Yankee fans, to boot Varitek as captain because supposedly he was on the list. Its not just Red Sox fans. |
you can suck my fucking cock, telling me to leave the board to broaden my horizons :lol:
i don't give a fuck what they're saying... I'M SAYING MOTHERFUCKER. MY POST, AND RED SOX FANS POSTS HERE.
you guys are still hard up as a motherfucker. |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
i know two 2007 sox players cheated. |
maybe you should call mitchell :bigcry: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
Why, 'cause it proved your team cheated to win?
NY Yankees - 22 World Championships |
2007 be stricken from the record then. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
maybe you should call mitchell :bigcry: |
maybe you should suck his cock :blow: |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
maybe you should suck his cock :blow: |
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry
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oh, i forgot. you can't detach your lips from nuge's balls! :funny: |
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| Pocc |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
you can suck my fucking cock, telling me to leave the board to broaden my horizons :lol:
i don't give a fuck what they're saying... I'M SAYING MOTHERFUCKER. MY POST, AND RED SOX FANS POSTS HERE.
you guys are still hard up as a motherfucker. |
Put a big * after your username Dykstra got outed too. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
i know two 2007 sox players cheated. |
Donnely didn't pitch past May. and you can strike Gagne's work cause that would mean we would've won the division by 6 games instead of two. I'm fine with that. :bl: |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
oh, i forgot. you can't detach your lips from nuge's balls! :funny: |
It is a dark day for the Len Boss :p |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Donnely didn't pitch past May. and you can strike Gagne's work cause that would mean we would've won the division by 6 games instead of two. I'm fine with that. :bl: |
:bigclap: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Donnely didn't pitch past May. and you can strike Gagne's work cause that would mean we would've won the division by 6 games instead of two. I'm fine with that. :bl: |
w/e man. another case of the the cheats. haven't you had enough cheating this year btween the pats and now these two? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc
Put a big * after your username Dykstra got outed too. |
:lol: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
It is a dark day for the Len Boss :p |
not really. it's a dark day for baseball. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
not really. it's a dark day for baseball. |
True, and it sucks :( |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
not really. it's a dark day for baseball. |
King George is rolling in his grave.
He is dead, isn't he? :scratch: |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
King George is rolling in his grave.
He is dead, isn't he? :scratch: |
:spit: |
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| Syxxpac78 |
| The whole 90's Yankee dynasty is a fraud as far as I'm concerned....fraud....22 time World Series Champs |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
w/e man. another case of the the cheats. haven't you had enough cheating this year btween the pats and now these two? |
meh, the pats deal seems to be more of a pissing contest between BB and Mangina.
The pats deal would've been far worse had it be blown up over the last couple of weeks or something. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
King George is rolling in his grave.
He is dead, isn't he? :scratch: |
i think we have his head cryogenically frozen. :p |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Take away the 20 wins thats what I was getting at. |
Yeah whoever started in his place would have gone 0-20 :rolleyes: |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
NY Yankees - 22 World Championships |
that's the funniest thing I have ever read. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Yeah whoever started in his place would have gone 0-20 :rolleyes: |
Good come back . |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Good come back . |
it was, thank you. |
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| oneldef |
I love how suddenly "Everybody Did It" according to yankee fans and now it's no big deal.
I THINK a lot more players cheated, but I KNOW that the yankees did.
Hey yankee fans, you still have 22 World Series Championships to fall back on. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Yeah whoever started in his place would have gone 0-20 :rolleyes: |
Lets look at the numbers
99 14-10
20 13-8
01 20-3
02 13-6
03 17-9
What about those Roid induced years?
I am not including this season I dont think he was on the Roids at 6-6
77 wins there hMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Lets look at the numbers
99 14-10
20 13-8
01 20-3
02 13-6
03 17-9
What about those Roid induced years?
I am not including this season I dont think he was on the Roids at 6-6
77 wins there hMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm |
and no other started they could have got in 99 and 2000 would have won 80% of the games he did right? when the team was mowing through everyone... give me a break. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
I love how suddenly "Everybody Did It" according to yankee fans and now it's no big deal.
I THINK a lot more players cheated, but I KNOW that the yankees did.
Hey yankee fans, you still have 22 World Series Championships to fall back on. |
It's 26 but hey, I'll take 22 over 3. :D |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
| Lenny, swith over to your nuge mult, we need a few more laughs. :D |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
Lenny, swith over to your nuge mult, we need a few more laughs. :D |
is he really nuge do we think? |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
It's 26 but hey, I'll take 22 over 3 . :D |
Take the dick out of your other hand and use those fingers to continue counting. |
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| Case a Beer |
| So is this the new "Yankee game" thread? :cool: |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
is he really nuge do we think? |
There's no way nuge isn't a mult of one of the regulars here. I refuse to believe that someone is that stupid without it being schtick for the message board. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
So is this the new "Yankee game" thread? :cool: |
:yesshake: |
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| Apoc13 |
| clemens is denying he's ever used...he's issued a comment but i can;t find it....where is petey? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
is he really nuge do we think? |
:lol: nuge is one of a kind, man.
cut it out king, don't take any "cheat shots." |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
So is this the new "Yankee game" thread? :cool: |
:grrr: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
clemens is denying he's ever used...he's issued a comment but i can;t find it....where is petey? |
kt would like this news. please find. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
Take the dick out of your other hand and use those fingers to continue counting. |
oh sorry, I was only counting the last 90 years. |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
why you would root for anybody to be on a list, esply coming off 2 of the last 4 ws shows how warped you red sox fans really are.
you're almost as bad as whites. this is fucking horrible, this whole thing, for everybody.
and you know what? it accomplished absolutely nothing. |
I'll agree with you to a point Lenny. At least it confirmed what everyone suspected. What makes me laugh is Selig saying we shouldn't focus on the names on the list. THEN WHY THE FUCK RELEASE THEM, DUMBASS!!!!!
What baseball can do to untarnish itself is beyond me as the drugs they take will always be years ahead of the tests that detect them. Not sure where this leaves things but it had to be done to remove the spectre of doubt.
Selig is a shmuck is what I gathered from all this bullshit. |
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| SleepingWarrior |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
Why, 'cause it proved your team cheated to win?
NY Yankees - 22 World Championships |
Not a big Yankees fan but....
The Red Sox still haven't won a World Series since 1918 applying the same standards. |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
kt would like this news. please find. |
please do, thank you. i'd like a press conference, too. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by SleepingWarrior
Not a big Yankees fan but....
The Red Sox still haven't won a World Series since 1918 applying the same standards. |
the sox fan's argument is that the players named weren't a factor |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by johnni44
I'll agree with you to a point Lenny. At least it confirmed what everyone suspected. What makes me laugh is Selig saying we shouldn't focus on the names on the list. THEN WHY THE FUCK RELEASE THEM, DUMBASS!!!!!
What baseball can do to untarnish itself is beyond me as the drugs they take will always be years ahead of the tests that detect them. Not sure where this leaves things but it had to be done to remove the spectre of doubt.
Selig is a shmuck is what I gathered from all this bullshit. |
he's such a moron, this selig. he played badass in the beginning. then congress came in and broke up the party and he turned into a fucking pushover. that's the whole reason why this even came to fruition, this report.
the whole fucking thing is selig's fault. every move this guy makes is the wrong one. |
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| SleepingWarrior |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
the sox fan's argument is that the players named weren't a factor |
They were a lesser factor but they did factor in regardless. Any save, hold, strikeout, etc.... matters for pitchers and hits, HR, etc for hitters. Nomar was there for a few months in the first WS win (this decade) and 2 pitchers were on the current one.
The arguments against it mattering are postseason numbers since the BoSox named didn't really play during the postseason BUT the regular season is a prerequisite to getting into the postseason.
2007 might be a wash since the testing policies were in place though. |
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| LennyD23 |
selig wanted to be a tough guy, then turned pushover, but while he was all to happy to comply with everything congress wanted them to do to clean up the sport, he went ahead with this investigation that turned up nothing, served no purpose. when they were $20 million in the hole with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT, bud tried to get Giambi to squeal, per mitchell's request no doubt, and was too stupid to realize that promising him a light suspension to talk would/could result in voiding his contract, not to mention, retroactive suspension for breaking rules that weren't implemented yet. what a fucking joke.
in selig's defense, ever since he thumbed his nose at the gov't the first time, he's been fucked no matter what.
this whole thing is a friggin joke!!! i can't wait for ferrall to night. :tu: |
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| LennyD23 |
| i'm starting to post like eve. |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
It's 26 but hey, I'll take 22 over 3. :D |
It's actually 7, but you're a yankee fan, I don't expect you to know anything about baseball. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by SleepingWarrior
They were a lesser factor but they did factor in regardless. Any save, hold, strikeout, etc.... matters for pitchers and hits, HR, etc for hitters. Nomar was there for a few months in the first WS win (this decade) and 2 pitchers were on the current one.
The arguments against it mattering are postseason numbers since the BoSox named didn't really play during the postseason BUT the regular season is a prerequisite to getting into the postseason.
2007 might be a wash since the testing policies were in place though. |
nomar isn't on the list...and gagne actually had a negative effect...without him the sox win MORE games |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
It's actually 7, but you're a yankee fan, I don't expect you to know anything about baseball. |
No, I only care about my team's number of titles... I pay attention to MY team... unlike you fuckin' Boston assbangers that can not, and will never get the Yankees out of your head.
(apoc excluded)
I actually thought when you won some titles yourselves you would stop paying attention to the Yankees every move, it's only gotten worse. |
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| Bpalm541 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
I actually thought when you won some titles yourselves you would stop paying attention to the Yankees every move, it's only gotten worse. |
So true, I was having this conversation a few weeks ago with some of my rational Sox friends. They really hate what their fanbase has become. It is nice to know that not everyone is like the Boston fans on this board. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
No, I only care about my team's number of titles... I pay attention to MY team... unlike you fuckin' Boston assbangers that can not, and will never get the Yankees out of your head.
(apoc excluded)
I actually thought when you won some titles yourselves you would stop paying attention to the Yankees every move, it's only gotten worse. |
bam :D |
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| oneldef |
| I love wacthing you guys whine and squirm. :D |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
I love wacthing you guys whine and squirm. :D |
No, you just love watching the Yankees... let them go. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
I know you read the report, and Pettite started using in Houston it claims...
So you have Clemens on 2 of the 4 title teams... so if the Mets or Padres didn't have one starting pitcher on steroids, you might have a point, but probably not, the Yankees still breezed through the playoffs, and could have lost the games Clemens pitched and still won the series'. |
Wow dude, I never though I would say this. But you sound exactly like Nuge.
Those are some pretty outlandish statements. But I understand, your upset and not in the right frame of mind. :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
the whole fucking thing is selig's fault. every move this guy makes is the wrong one. |
except the fact that the sport is more succesful in terms of $$ then ever before.
Last time I checked, this was a business. So I have to disagree, every move he makes is clearly not wrtong. |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
No, you just love watching the Yankees... let them go. |
Not true my slow friend. The yankees, outside of their steroid abuse, are pretty much irrelevant. Maybe if they win something this century I'll be more interested in them. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
except the fact that the sport is more succesful in terms of $$ then ever before.
Last time I checked, this was a business. So I have to disagree, every move he makes is clearly not wrtong. |
no, wrong again. every move he makes sucks. this is a game. you're jaded. don't gimme a bizness perspective whites. people like baseball, not bud selig. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
no, wrong again. every move he makes sucks. this is a game. you're jaded. don't gimme a bizness perspective whites. people like baseball, not bud selig. |
I am not arguing that people like baseball.
What I am saying is he obviously did a few things right if the business of baseball is as big as ever.
Tell your owner, Big Stein, that it is only a game. I think his bank account and payroll will say it is more then just a game.
Also, dont forget. Selig is what he is. A OWNER!! |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I am not arguing that people like baseball.
What I am saying is he obviously did a few things right if the business of baseball is as big as ever.
Tell your owner, Big Stein, that it is only a game. I think his bank account and payroll will say it is more then just a game.
Also, dont forget. Selig is what he is. A OWNER!! |
you're right whites... he did do something to get baseball bisness booming...
HE TURNED HIS HEAD AWAY FROM ALL THE RAMPANT STEROID ABUSE FOR A DECADE!!! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
HE TURNED HIS HEAD AWAY FROM ALL THE RAMPANT STEROID ABUSE FOR A DECADE!!! |
So let me get this straight..... the Mitchell report proves nothing. But you have proof that Selig turned his head away for the issue?
Again, I am not saying you are wrong. But you certainly do not have any proof to back up your point also. |
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