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| LennyD23 |
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6.5 mb's of nothing... but chuck knoblauch, mo vaughn, and here's the best one... jason giambi's brother!! BWAHAHAHHA!!!!
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| specialkt |
| i'm surprised ken caminiti wasn't on the list :rolleyes: |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
i'm surprised ken caminiti wasn't on the list :rolleyes: |
Why would he need to be? He admitted his use and everything was exposed after his death. |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Why would he need to be? He admitted his use and everything was exposed after his death. |
right, so the list only has people who have been accused by hearsay. nice fucking official investigation! |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
right, so the list only has people who have been accused by hearsay. nice fucking official investigation! |
You didn't see the check copies, and the FedEx receipts? |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
You didn't see the check copies, and the FedEx receipts? |
since when does a check and a shipping receipt automatically equal steroids? the whole report is pieced together with hearsay and innuendo. |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
since when does a check and a shipping receipt automatically equal steroids? the whole report is pieced together with hearsay and innuendo. |
What do you think they were writing him checks for? Girl scout cookies? |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
What do you think they were writing him checks for? Girl scout cookies? |
Oh yeah, about $1300-2000 grand worth. Seems logical. |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
What do you think they were writing him checks for? Girl scout cookies? |
very funny, but its still all speculation and it proved absolutely nothing. fucked up. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
very funny, but its still all speculation and it proved absolutely nothing. fucked up. |
Come on man you are not this stupid . |
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| Maximus06 |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
very funny, but its still all speculation and it proved absolutely nothing. fucked up. |
stop being such a faggot bc all your players were on the list :rolleyes: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Oh yeah, about $1300-2000 grand worth. Seems logical. |
so what did this accomplish again? |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Oh yeah, about $1300-2000 grand worth. Seems logical. |
when you hire a senator, spend tax dollars and 20 months to do an official investigation, i expect conclusive evidence. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
since when does a check and a shipping receipt automatically equal steroids? the whole report is pieced together with hearsay and innuendo. |
Well I'll be waiting to see what Roger has to say about it. After all, it was only his trainer that he dragged around with him from Toronto to NY that said it. |
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| Maximus06 |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
when you hire a senator, spend tax dollars and 20 months to do an official investigation, i expect conclusive evidence. |
so a known steroid supplier who is raided by the feds, and consequently has documents seized from his house implicating players who bought steroids from him doesn't equate evidence? :rolleyes: |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
since when does a check and a shipping receipt automatically equal steroids? the whole report is pieced together with hearsay and innuendo. |
And OJ cut his hand while shaving which accounted for a quart of his blood in the driveway. :rolleyes:
How bout Santa Claus while we're on the topic. Care to explain him too. :o |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by johnni44
And OJ cut his hand while shaving which accounted for a quart of his blood in the driveway. :rolleyes:
How bout Santa Claus while we're on the topic. Care to explain him too. :o |
and dammit, that dog that was barking is just hearsay, too. |
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| hoochieking |
| Honestly people for the last time, who gives a shit. Baseball just needs to focus on making sure that it stays clean from now on, nothing good can come from this witch hunt. Let sleeping dogs lie. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by hoochieking
Honestly people for the last time, who gives a shit. Baseball just needs to focus on making sure that it stays clean from now on, nothing good can come from this witch hunt. Let sleeping dogs lie. |
the last line in your post would have me believe you are in favor of releasing vick. :bigthink: |
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| specialkt |
Quote: Originally posted by Maximus06
so a known steroid supplier who is raided by the feds, and consequently has documents seized from his house implicating players who bought steroids from him doesn't equate evidence? :rolleyes: |
i'm not a lawyer, but i wouldn't consider that hard evidence to convict, no. these players are being iudged as guilty without even being tested.
and what is the point of dragging up names like lenny dykstra? |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
i'm not a lawyer, but i wouldn't consider that hard evidence to convict, no. these players are being iudged as guilty without even being tested.
and what is the point of dragging up names like lenny dykstra? |
It is only a report. It is Mitchells findings. No one is going to trial.
This report is built off the steroid use by players. The guy was reporting how and when these actions took place. |
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| specialkt |
| i'm not even denying that a lot of it probably happened. my problem is that i think they took a lot of liberties with their evidence and the investigation was incomplete. they based everything on this one guy from the mets and tarnished the names of a lot of players while there are no doubt many others out there. it was a stupid exercise that accomplished what exactly? |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
i'm not even denying that a lot of it probably happened. my problem is that i think they took a lot of liberties with their evidence and the investigation was incomplete. they based everything on this one guy from the mets and tarnished the names of a lot of players while there are no doubt many others out there. it was a stupid exercise that accomplished what exactly? |
What it accomplished was hopefully a start of better things to come. A cleaner more trustworthy league. Something like this had to happen. It is just scratching the surface, IMO.
And the thing that you have to remember is that I'm sure there weren't many people involved in this stuff that were willing to come forward and "rat" on the players they worked for.
This report isn't meant to be an inclusive end all of the steroid era. |
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| specialkt |
| i'm done. he's still my favorite player. |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
i'm not even denying that a lot of it probably happened. my problem is that i think they took a lot of liberties with their evidence and the investigation was incomplete. they based everything on this one guy from the mets and tarnished the names of a lot of players while there are no doubt many others out there. it was a stupid exercise that accomplished what exactly? |
I read the report, the details on Clemens was pretty compelling |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
i'm done. he's still my favorite player. |
;) The whole matter sucks, period. |
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| meetthemets |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
i'm not even denying that a lot of it probably happened. my problem is that i think they took a lot of liberties with their evidence and the investigation was incomplete. they based everything on this one guy from the mets and tarnished the names of a lot of players while there are no doubt many others out there. it was a stupid exercise that accomplished what exactly? |
Well no shit. That's all this was. It wasn't a criminal investigation by the feds, it's an investigative report. If this was brought to a trial I'm sure he'd have plenty of evidence to convict someone if it got that far. |
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| Marinolaw |
People have to realize that most criminal investigations utilize people who are facing jail time, for some crime or another. It's a criminal defense attorney's job to discredit an informant, but their bread and butter is making the best deal for their client, which usually means agreeing to give up information about co-conspirators, and the primary target of an investigation.
To dismiss these guys' testimony as false, simply because they were being threatened with prosecution is just foolish. It's how the system works, every day. |
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| bonghitbobby |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
when you hire a senator, spend tax dollars and 20 months to do an official investigation, i expect conclusive evidence. |
how were tax dollars spent? it was paid for by MLB fully? keep defending the roid I mean rocket, |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by specialkt
when you hire a senator, spend tax dollars and 20 months to do an official investigation, i expect conclusive evidence. |
Tax Dollars? Are you kidding me? This was paid for entirely my MLB.
Also, IMHO $20,000,0000 was a BARGAIN for this report. It is clearly worth 5x that! |
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| LennyD23 |
| huge waste, can't prove anything report. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| If the report can not prove anything, many of those players are going to get huge amounts of damages after they sue!! |
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| LennyD23 |
they're damaged forever. they have to spend their own money to clear their names.
this investigation sucks balls, is inconclusive, and incomplete... all the reasons i told you this would be a total waste BEFORE it was released yesterday. i wish my thread about wasting $23 million back in may was still here for me to bump. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
they're damaged forever. they have to spend their own money to clear their names.
this investigation sucks balls, is inconclusive, and incomplete... all the reasons i told you this would be a total waste BEFORE it was released yesterday. i wish my thread about wasting $23 million back in may was still here for me to bump. |
Just so you know, in some peoples opinion that thread would still be wrong today.
I still think it is the best $20,000,000 MLB has spent in a long time. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Just so you know, in some peoples opinion that thread would still be wrong today.
I still think it is the best $20,000,000 MLB has spent in a long time. |
you're the only one who likes this. this is terrible. lists, leak lists, canseco, shilling's fat fucking mouth. this is all sensationalism. it's garbage.
i called you jaded, and maybe i'm voluntarily naive, but this is a game for kids played by adults.
i'm glad i don't have kids of age who would know what's going on here. i can't imagine explaining this shit to them. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
you're the only one who likes this. this is terrible. lists, leak lists, canseco, shilling's fat fucking mouth. this is all sensationalism. it's garbage.
i called you jaded, and maybe i'm voluntarily naive, but this is a game for kids played by adults.
i'm glad i don't have kids of age who would know what's going on here. i can't imagine explaining this shit to them. |
I certainly can not disagree with your last 2 statements. But I assure you, I am not the only person who likes what is going on here. I guess I am in the minority but there are others who feel the same way.
However, I do respect your difference in opinion. At least I know your a true fan and looking out for the best of the game. I guess we just want to get there in 2 different ways. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I certainly can not disagree with your last 2 statements. But I assure you, I am not the only person who likes what is going on here. I guess I am in the minority but there are others who feel the same way.
However, I do respect your difference in opinion. At least I know your a true fan and looking out for the best of the game. I guess we just want to get there in 2 different ways. |
ahh, well. :cool: |
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| hoochieking |
| Of all of Bud Selig's gaffes this was the biggest of all. Should have just worried about moving forward and not looking back. Now he has tarnished an entire decade of baseball. Good job Bud. :bigup: |
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| jobbey |
| fuck bud selig. they need to do an investigation on him. he new about all this shit when it was going down. hes just trying to save his ass now cuz hes the "commish". fire his fucking ass and put new blood in their. he fucked up baseball forever. it will never be the same again. |
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