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| Pussah2 |
1)Made the game better and more entertaining.
2)Gave teams record revenues
3)Gave teams record attendance.
More homeruns= A good thing. Remember the 1994 strike where baseball was at hockey levels of interest and after Mcgwire and Sosa who took baseball toa new level.
The only people they hurt are themselves.
With corked bats, higher mounds, juiced balls, shorter fences, instant replay baseball has changed anyway. So stop with the bullshit that whoever was named is cheating the game. The game and the people who run it are cheating the game.
Blame Selig for allowing everything to happen. Biggest doucehbag in all of sports. I think to make things fair everyone shoudl be required to go on HGH when they get their uniforms in the spring. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| A Yankee fan justifying steroids? Who would have guessed? :rolleyes: |
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| yambag |
| Steroids was good for the Yankees. :hw: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
"Steroids was good for baseball"
His english teacher in high school must be proud also! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
also when did baseball approve instant replay?
Pussy just likes to say anything, even if he has no facts to back it up!!! :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
yes steroids WERE good for baseball jackass. If it was not for Mcgwire and Sosa and than Bonds who knows where baseball would have been.
And I meant they are thinking of adding instant replay which will change the game again. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| you mean to say, if it was not for steroids the Yankees would not have 26 World Championships :cool: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
who was your HS English teacher?
Were they on crack or were you? |
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| Pussah2 |
| i am being serious and you know it. STEROIDS SAVED BASEBALL |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
You are not serious about anything. You took this stance about 3 days ago because you could not justify your Yankees cheating and winning world championships.
So you took the easy way out, as usual...You cant fool me Pussy! |
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| oneldef |
| The only thing steroids was good for was Clemens and Pettite's careers. |
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| thoroldjames |
listening to the ESPN overnight guy this morning at 4am :(
baseball revenues(or worth or some financial mumbo jumbo) went from $1billion or so in the strike year mid/90's to over $6billion today
Not sure the exact deal, it was 4am for fucksakes
But Steroids were an enormous factor in that, so I'd say it was good for the game/business |
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| kentrey |
| good for buisness bad for baseball |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by kentrey
good for buisness bad for baseball |
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people like Pussy are too dumb to realize there is a difference. They think if its good for business it is good for baseball :rolleyes: |
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| wsuraider |
| They made it more interesting. |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
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people like Pussy are too dumb to realize there is a difference. They think if its good for business it is good for baseball :rolleyes: |
-Isnt that the point of all sports to makemoney. Every sport is a business. Every athlete is their own businessman. They make millions and millions of dollars. Some have their own corporations.
Stop with the bullshit. Baseball is a business to the owners and the players. Only idiot fans dont realize that. Owners raise ticket prices, charge more for concessions, parking and jerseys. They get stadiums built from tax dollars. There is no loyalty in sports. All athletes go wherever teh most money is. A fans loyalty is to the laundry and not the player. Athletes who make millions upon millions charge you 100 + for an autograph.
So King, cut the sanctimoneous bullshit. BASEBALL IS A BUSINESS. If you think otherwise you are nothing but a sucker. STEROIDS SAVED THE GAME OF BASEBALL. I know you know there acould be at least 10 times the amount of players named in that report that weren't named.
If sticking a needle in your ass will get you a few more million for you and your family and will give you that extra edge to getting a roster spot or making you an all star or turning you into an immortal, than they do it.
You can cry all you want about steroids ruining the game. Bullshit. The only thing it does is ruin the athlete. Do you think theis mitchell report will stop people from using. You must be out your goddamn mind. There is no testing for HGH. People will just be more careful the way they take it in the butt now. Cheating is a part of sports and until real testing is done and not the half assed way it is now, NOTHING WILL CHANGE |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Insert Colin Powell Here |
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| yambag |
| Yea and if the Sox pitching staff was on roids you would feel the same. :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I sware to god his whole stance changed 3 days ago. He knows his Yankees fucked up and this is the only way he can justify it.
He would never teach his kids to do what he just advocated doing. He is not that dumb.
He is just talking out of his ass and looking for attn |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Yea and if the Sox pitching staff was on roids you would feel the same. :rolleyes: |
I would have loved it, I would have joked about it but after a week or 2 of making fun of you, i would have come to teh same conclusion. Nothing will change except people will be more careful and the players who did get named will be embarrassed and for Clemens who went from a first ballot unanimous hall of famer to out of the hall of fame.
I trashed Bonds too but I did say he belongs in the Hall. And with Bonds and Clemens pretyt much being forced to retire now. They both should be first ballot hall of famers in 5 years. Mention on their plaques that they used steroids or HGH |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| the "new"pussy |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I sware to god his whole stance changed 3 days ago. He knows his Yankees fucked up and this is the only way he can justify it.
He would never teach his kids to do what he just advocated doing. He is not that dumb.
He is just talking out of his ass and looking for attn |
Of course I would never teach them to cheat. But like i said in our argument thread, i will tell them their are cheaters and people will do whatever it takes to get ahead. I will tell them that you will feel bad or wonder why this person who cheats is getting better grades instead of you studying or getting a better job because they cheated to get it. It is not worth it and in the long run you will get caught one way or another.
King, do you agree with any of my points at all. Seriously now and stop the insults.
Do i like cheating-NO
Do I respect cheating-No
Do i stop being a fan because of cheating-No
I expect it and think of none of them as role models to me or my kids. |
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| babybear |
| Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame if they allow any of those drug crazed roids in the hall. |
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| Pussah2 |
was I upset that the only guy they interviewed worked for the yankees, YES. I always never really cared much about steroids tainting the game though. You know I am a wrestling fan. I was just upset all the guys I grew up with dying because of steroids and illegal drugs and painkillers.
All these guys baseball and football players are ruing their bodies for that extra buck or extra fame they might get. Would you shave off 5-10 years of your life if you had the chance to be a millionaire superstar |
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| Pussah2 |
| absolutely pete rose should be in. No question. He bet on the reds. never against them and this was after he played. 4200+ hits is an automatic. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Pussy, so I guess you think steroids are good for wrestling also..... |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Also Pussy, how come you did not think like this 1 week ago? or 1 month ago? or 6 months ago? or 12 months ago!!!! |
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| Pussah2 |
it improves everyones skill which makes the players worth more, the fans pay more and the owners make more. Its a business.
Does it help everyone now-Yes
Will they be hurt in the long run-Yes |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| so dont answer any questions I ask...Just answer your own made up questions!! :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Also Pussy, how come you did not think like this 1 week ago? or 1 month ago? or 6 months ago? or 12 months ago!!!! |
just bonds as an example. i always said he belongs in the hall of fame. I thought his ball should be branded wiht an asterisk. I always thought he was a dick. I always hated him but even with the cheating I always said he belongs in the hall |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Just keep answering your own questions...Because your not answering mine! |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Also Pussy, how come you did not think like this 1 week ago? or 1 month ago? or 6 months ago? or 12 months ago!!!! |
what part of this did I not answer. I used Bonds as an example in the past and said I hated him but he deserved the Hall of fame. The mitchell report provided more guys especially clemens who is the bonds of pitching and pettite who I always liked who probably I am most upset over.
Well the mitchell report came out a week ago and everyone this board was making fun of the yankees. I got defensive and tried to defend it by sayign mitchell works for the red sox. Also with the 2 guys interviewed only working for the mets and yankees. My feeling was if you dont want punishment and you only have a partial list of players, why name any.
In regards to wrestling deaths. Yes it bothers me when these guys die in their 30's or 40's. of course it does. In regards to them taking steroids, I dont even think about it. I could say oh this guy is doing roids, but in the long run I really dont care. Like baseball, wrestling and football, they are all entertainment for me and I dont think about who is taking what when i am watching.
Why dont you actually respond to any of these points, like baseball being nothing but a business and how players using steroids made baseball unheard of money and brought salaries to astronomical levels.
If you were an athlete would you give up say 10 years of your life to be famous and a millionaire? |
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| yambag |
| Hey Puss now I see why your wife left you :D |
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| Pussah2 |
Nick Santos
Issue date: 1/19/05 Section: Sports
PrintEmail DoubleClick Any Word Page 1 of 2 next > The BALCO steroid scandal left an indelible mark on the game of baseball that will stain more than just Barry Bonds' home run records. The entire homerun era is going to be called into question. In fact, the integrity of baseball in its entirety is being questioned.
Is it really possible that next to the single-season homerun record there is going to be a footnote just to tell readers that Bonds was a juicer?
Has baseball's infatuation with statistics finally gotten to the point where players would rather pad their stats than win a World Series? Do people really care more that Sammy Sosa hit more than 40 homeruns for six years straight than the Marlins beating the Yankees in the 2003 World Series?
Despite the bad taste that the scandal left in the mouth of baseball, it will ultimately be a blessing in disguise. In the early to mid-'90s, interest in baseball had declined because many started to feel that it was just not exciting enough.
Michael Jordan was taking basketball to new heights in popularity and hockey was even starting to create a bigger niche in sports fandom. That is until 1998, when Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa put on the most entertaining season-long homerun derby since Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle in 1961.
Baseball was vindicated by McGuire's record-setting 70 homeruns, which jolted Major League Baseball into the short-lived, but important homerun era. "So what?" you ask, "Those guys were on steroids."
Precisely. This may sound a bit cynical, but without the help of steroids, baseball wouldn't even be as marginally popular as it is today.
Although steroids has damaged the reputation of baseball, as well as tarnished its image, it has also enhanced the sensationalism of the game.
Now that MLB has gotten stricter on steroid monitoring, as well as what is considered a steroid, the HR numbers of Sosa and Bonds are dwindling back down to about 30 a year.
This is exactly why the steroid scandal was good for baseball. With the manic excitement of last year's playoffs, as well as the Boston Red Sox's historic World Series run this year, baseball is finally starting to turn back into a team sport in America's eyes.
People are starting to care less about homeruns and more about their team winning the game.
The playing field has been leveled again and with the wonderful thing that is free agency, everyone suddenly has a chance to win a championship.
Take the New York Mets for example. Last year they were the worst team in the NL east. Now with the acquisitions of Pedro Martinez (16-9, 227 SO, 3.90 ERA) and this winter's hottest hitting centerfielder Carlos Beltran (38 HR, 104 RBI, 42 SB) the Mets' fortunes are finally starting to turn.
All a team needs is a good off-season and they could be the next 2002 Anaheim Angels, excuse me, I mean the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, which is the lamest name for a baseball team ever but I'll save that for a different rant.
The point is, given the new steroid monitoring system that MLB instituted last year, coupled with free agency, we may be entering an era where parity in baseball will be at an all-time high.
The steroid scandal was a blessing in disguise; it gave us the homerun era and baseball is a better team sport today because of it.
So thank you Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Ken Caminiti and anyone else who shot poison into their bodies to get ahead. Now that we're over the HR craze its time to enjoy the game. Play ball. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Also Pussy, how come you did not think like this 1 week ago? or 1 month ago? or 6 months ago? or 12 months ago!!!! |
How come you will not answer this question?
You really sound like an idiot to everybody Pussy. We all know you do not even believe what your saying. It is just the only way you can justify the Yankees cheating.
When you could not justify it, you took this route. You are not fooling anybody.
Just anwer me this...WHY DID YOU NOT THINK LIKE THIS 6 MONTHS AGO? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I love how pussy is posting an article by Nick Santos.
Just curious is there one person who ever heard of this guy?
So say he has zero credibility is being generous! |
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| Pussah2 |
Players admit steroids changed baseball
By Chris Jenkins, USA TODAY
A grand jury, a tell-all book and a congressional committee have combined to form a major-league needle puncturing baseball's public image. And, in a USA TODAY survey, players say allegations that recent record-setting performances have been fueled by steroids are hardly off base.
The release of Jose Canseco's tell-all book — along with his appearance on '60 Minutes' — has played a large role in MLB looking into steroid use.
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In a Feb. 17-March 9 survey of 568 players, 79% said they believed steroids played some role in record-breaking performances by high-profile players. And 27% said they believed the illegal performance-enhancing drugs were a "major contributor" to recent statistical achievements.
"I believe that, too," says Fay Vincent, baseball commissioner from 1989 to 1992. "It's hard to believe that anybody could not believe that."
In a sport where statistical comparisons of players from different eras have linked one generation of fans to the next, star players' pursuit of records has increased public interest .
But today those involved in some of the sport's most celebrated record chases —Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa— are among a small group of star players under suspicion for steroid use. The players declined comment for this story.
Beyond agreeing that steroids have been a problem, however, there seems to be a disconnect between players and the sport's critics over the effectiveness of baseball's response to the problem.
Congressional critics, who have subpoenaed McGwire, Sosa and five other stars to testify in Thursday's House committee hearing on steroid use in the game, aren't convinced the sport's leaders have done enough to clean up the game. They point to a testing policy that was instituted before the 2003 season and revised each year since and still doesn't measure up to the standards set long ago by other sports. (Related item: Lineup for Thursday's hearing)
"While the committee's focus is not on the impact of steroids on record-breaking performances, this survey does underscore the importance of our inquiry," said Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, in a statement. "A majority of players think steroids are influencing individual achievements — that's exactly our point. We need to understand the dangerous cycle that perception creates.
"College athletes believe they have to consider steroids if they're going to make it to the pros; high school athletes, in turn, think steroids are the key to getting a scholarship. It's time to break that vicious cycle, and it needs to happen from the top down."
Most people in baseball think Congress should stay out of the issue, but Hall of Fame pitcher Tom Seaver says the scrutiny will be helpful. Steroid use, he says, "throws a dark shadow over the game. It's got to be cleaned up. Somebody's got to step up and get it done." (Related item: MLB players sound off)
Players don't seem to regard steroid use as an epidemic: Only 3.9% said they believe more than half of players are using them. Still, the players aren't quite as optimistic as Commissioner Bud Selig, who recently said positive tests fell from 7% in 2003 to 1.2% last season. Most players, 80.2%, answered "fewer than half" of players are using, but only 3.7% said "none."
"I think there are a lot of players that know there's some people using them," Seattle Mariners third baseman Scott Spiezio says. "What percentage, we have no idea. I personally think it's less than what's being made of it." However, Spiezio allows, "There's probably a good chance one or two players that had some incredible years might have used them."
And almost 69% of players believe baseball's testing and punishment policies are strict enough.
San Diego Padres second baseman Mark Loretta says the program "is all but going to eradicate the problem" because positive tests will be publicized, embarrassing the player, and will result in a 10-game suspension.
Says Davis: "It doesn't surprise me to hear that almost 70% of players believe the new policy is strict enough; that's like asking trial lawyers if more tort reform is necessary. The answer is going to be 'no.' "
Can anyone believe stats?
According to the survey, conducted by USA TODAY and The Sports Xchange, a significant minority of players is concerned about the effects of steroid use on the sport's record book.
To fans, statistics are a source of endless barstool arguments and time-consuming fantasy league games. Stats also are important to players because they play a major role in determining salaries.
So perhaps it's not surprising that 35% of players surveyed said if a player is found to be using steroids, his records should be stripped or denoted with an asterisk. That presumably includes pitchers who suspect they've given up home runs to players who cheat and batters who suspect they're being outhit by cheaters.
The "asterisk" is a semi-notorious punctuation mark in baseball history. It is commonly believed that when Roger Maris broke Babe Ruth's single-season home run record of 60 in 1961, Commissioner Ford Frick ordered that an asterisk be placed in the record book because Ruth set the record over 154 games and Maris set his record in an expanded 162-game schedule.
But Seymour Siwoff, president of Elias Sports Bureau, says it was only an "annotation." He says "people decided they would use the word 'asterisk,' even though there never was one."
Selig has said it would be "unfair" to take away records from players suspected of steroid use: "No one has been convicted of anything. And we can't turn history back."
New York Yankees outfielder Gary Sheffield, who admitted to unknowingly using a steroid-based cream in 2002, says records can't be stripped because of "speculation." If "somebody comes up with facts, then we can talk. Other than that, it's a waste of time."
Says St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Ray King: "If records get broken, they get broken. What can you do about it? There's no proof."
Elliott Kalb, author of Who's Better Who's Best in Baseball, calls statistics the sport's "lifeblood." He's against asterisks because statistical comparisons are never exact. Players in the early years didn't face top black players because the sport was segregated and didn't hit against specialized relief pitchers. "There are things in every decade that we have to consider," Kalb says.
Seaver, who sits on the Hall of Fame's board of directors, says ridding the game of steroids is more important than deciding what to do about records: "Get it done, and let's address it (records) after that."
Not a hit with fans
A decision to let steroid-fueled records stand might not be a hit with fans. In a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup poll conducted in December, 82% of fans said they believe records set by athletes using steroids should either be eliminated or kept with a notation.
The nation was captivated by Hank Aaron's pursuit of Ruth's career home run record in 1974 and the friendly duel between McGwire and Sosa for Maris' season home run record in 1998.
Now, steroid suspicions threaten to erase the national goodwill generated by the McGwire-Sosa spectacle, which is credited with rescuing the sport's image after a labor dispute canceled the World Series in 1994.
Says Seaver: "That's the conflicting part of this. What brought the majority of the people back? Mark McGwire. There's a certain amount of people being hypocritical. Economics drives this thing."
Peter Magowan, managing general partner of the San Francisco Giants, admits that steroid problems were overlooked for too long but denies that executives turned a blind eye because they wanted to market home runs: "I've never in 12 years gone to an owners meeting and heard a discussion on how to market the game better which said, 'Let's have more home runs in the game.' "
Bonds, meanwhile, begins the season with 703 homers, only 52 shy of Aaron's career mark. How will the public react if Bonds breaks the record? Vincent says he expects Bonds' record run to become a major American cultural event, as was the case when Aaron passed Ruth. Still, Vincent says, Bonds' run "will be tainted."
Cincinnati Reds shortstop Rich Aurilia, a former Bonds teammate, doesn't think the controversy should diminish Bonds' accomplishments. "He appreciates the integrity of the history of the game and would do nothing to hurt it," Aurilia says. "He knows what he's embarking on. I don't think any of this controversy should diminish his accomplishments."
Kalb argues that Bonds is the greatest player of all time — even if you "adjust" for alleged steroid use by taking away 25% of his home runs over the last 25% of his career. "He was a great player for two decades, far before steroids was part of the landscape," Kalb says.
Bonds is not among the players subpoenaed for Thursday's congressional hearing, which will be televised at 10 a.m. ET by ESPN, ESPNews, MSNBC and CNN. The committee's leaders have said they do not want to interfere with the ongoing federal investigation into the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), an alleged steroid distribution ring that involved Bonds' personal trainer. Another player who testified in front of the BALCO grand jury, Jason Giambi, has been excused from the hearings. |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
How come you will not answer this question?
You really sound like an idiot to everybody Pussy. We all know you do not even believe what your saying. It is just the only way you can justify the Yankees cheating.
When you could not justify it, you took this route. You are not fooling anybody.
Just anwer me this...WHY DID YOU NOT THINK LIKE THIS 6 MONTHS AGO? |
I used bonds for what I said 6 months ago. I said he was a cheat but belongs in the hall of fame. |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I love how pussy is posting an article by Nick Santos.
Just curious is there one person who ever heard of this guy?
So say he has zero credibility is being generous! |
was from some cincinnatti paper.
You are so into articles, so I post articles that state how steroids helped the game become what it is |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
I used bonds for what I said 6 months ago. I said he was a cheat but belongs in the hall of fame. |
How dumb are you buddy? I am not talking about Bonds.
HOW COME YOU DID NOT THINK STEROIDS WERE GOOD FOR BASEBALL 6 MONTHS AGO?
Why cant you answer the question?
P.S The answer has NOTHING to do with Bonds and the HOF :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So say he has zero credibility is being generous! |
seriously shut the fuck up already. You want articles to back things up I gave you fucking articles. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
was from some cincinnatti paper.
You are so into articles, so I post articles that state how steroids helped the game become what it is |
your an idiot.
So a nobody writer in Cincinnatti has all the answers? THEN WHY IS HE IN CINCINNATTI? |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
How dumb are you buddy? I am not talking about Bonds.
HOW COME YOU DID NOT THINK STEROIDS WERE GOOD FOR BASEBALL 6 MONTHS AGO?
Why cant you answer the question?
P.S The answer has NOTHING to do with Bonds and the HOF :rolleyes: |
I said they were good for the home run era. That is what this entire thread was about. I also said the mitchell report will not change a goddamn thing except make people more careful on how they get their HGH |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
seriously shut the fuck up already. You want articles to back things up I gave you fucking articles. |
Keep saying anything to avoiding the question.
WHY DID YOU NOT THINK LIKE THIS 6 MONTHS AGO?
Because we beat you down and this was your only option...Admit it!
Your obviously not fooling everybody...we all see the dumb game your trying to play!
Plus, I know you have kids. That what makes this whole thread even more BS. You would never show this thread to your kids when they were 9,10,11,12!
As yambag said, we can see why your wife left :D |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
your an idiot.
So a nobody writer in Cincinnatti has all the answers? THEN WHY IS HE IN CINCINNATTI? |
why does it matter. so what is wrong with the usa today article than. Its an article. Does it matter if its from cincy, la, or bumfuck idaho |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
I said they were good for the home run era. That is what this entire thread was about. I also said the mitchell report will not change a goddamn thing except make people more careful on how they get their HGH |
Show me where you ever said that steroids were good for the homerun era.
Show me where you said it before this thread.
Pussy, you woke up with this mindset about 4 days ago. Because we beat you down and you had zero other options.
Typical loser mentality!!:rofl: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
why does it matter. so what is wrong with the usa today article than. Its an article. Does it matter if its from cincy, la, or bumfuck idaho |
To people with a brain it does...
There is a reason why some sports writers are in New York, and Boston and others are in Cincinnatti and Boise.
I guess your not bright enough to know why :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Keep saying anything to avoiding the question.
WHY DID YOU NOT THINK LIKE THIS 6 MONTHS AGO?
Because we beat you down and this was your only option...Admit it!
Your obviously not fooling everybody...we all see the dumb game your trying to play!
Plus, I know you have kids. That what makes this whole thread even more BS. You would never show this thread to your kids when they were 9,10,11,12!
As yambag said, we can see why your wife left :D |
you were talking about how much arod sucks and cant buy a hit in the 9th inning 6 months ago. Steroids were discussed for Bonds and the congressional hearings. Otherwise no one hear gave a fuck.
Steroids made the game more popular. It has nothing to do if its wrong, illegal, bad for the game or bad for the athlete. EVery one knew it and no one did nothing about it |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Show me where you ever said that steroids were good for the homerun era.
Show me where you said it before this thread.
Pussy, you woke up with this mindset about 4 days ago. Because we beat you down and you had zero other options.
Typical loser mentality!!:rofl: |
here you go,
GO FUCK YOURSELF :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
To people with a brain it does...
There is a reason why some sports writers are in New York, and Boston and others are in Cincinnatti and Boise.
I guess your not bright enough to know why :rolleyes: |
when I do a search for a subject, I post whatever articles I can find |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
you were talking about how much arod sucks and cant buy a hit in the 9th inning 6 months ago. Steroids were discussed for Bonds and the congressional hearings. Otherwise no one hear gave a fuck.
Steroids made the game more popular. It has nothing to do if its wrong, illegal, bad for the game or bad for the athlete. EVery one knew it and no one did nothing about it |
So nobody talked about the Mitchell report 6 months ago?
This all just came out of the blue?
Dude, your burying yourself....But your proving my point..So thanks! |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
A Yankee fan justifying steroids? Who would have guessed? :rolleyes: |
No shit, huh? These specific NY fans on this board flip flop more than MITT ROMNEY. I wonder what your feelings would be about steroids if more active Red Sox players were on it :rolleyes:
Steroids are "great" for baseball because the "juiced" players can save money and just all throw in for a group funeral seeing they will all die early together :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
here you go,
GO FUCK YOURSELF :rolleyes: |
Because you never said it!
This is pussy's new opinion from 4 days ago. He could not stand people getting on him about his Yankees cheating, and he did not know what to do. He knew the Yankee haters were right and could not deal with it.
So you took on this new mindset. Well whatever, regardless if steroids were good for baseball or not the Yankees are still cheaters.
Also, why do you act like it was so good to the game? Besides paying your cable bill, you have not given MLB $1 of your hard earned money in years...
So honestly, why gives a fuck what you think? You are BARELY a fan.
Glad we at least both agree that the Yankees cheated...Thats the bottom line :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
when I do a search for a subject, I post whatever articles I can find |
Well why dont you post articles from people we know have credibility.
It then might give you credibility...if you give a shit :rolleyes: |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Hey Puss now I see why your wife left you :D |
OUCH |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Well why dont you post articles from people we know have credibility.
It then might give you credibility...if you give a shit :rolleyes: |
so usa today now doesn't have credibility either? arent they the number 1 paper in the country |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
so usa today now doesn't have credibility either? arent they the number 1 paper in the country |
yeah, if you live in the middle of Kansas. There is a reason they are NOT #1 in Major Cities!
But here is my new question for you. Besides paying your cable bill, how much $$ have you given to MLB since the strike? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I love also how Pussy is done arguing how the Yankees cheated!
Now he only argues that it was good for the game of baseball. The game that he has barely supported! |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
yeah, if you live in the middle of Kansas. There is a reason they are NOT #1 in Major Cities!
But here is my new question for you. Besides paying your cable bill, how much $$ have you given to MLB since the strike? |
usa today is NUMBER 1 for the ENTIRE COUNTRY
want to take this statement back
http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0004420.html |
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| Pussah2 |
| and according to that list the cinci paper I listed is higher than the boston herald |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
your an idiot. I never said it was not #1 based on circulation. Are you too dumb to realize that 75% of this country lives in the middle of nowhere.
However if you think USA Today has the best and most knowledgable writers, then I have a bridge I want to sell you!
Why wont you answer my question, beside paying your cable bill..How much $$ have you given to MLB since the strike? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
and according to that list the cinci paper I listed is higher than the boston herald |
you are an idiot. I am not talking about circulation numbers. I am talking about knowledge and quality of the writers!!!
There is a reason why the top media people go to work for SI and not USA Today :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
your an idiot. I never said it was not #1 based on circulation. Are you too dumb to realize that 75% of this country lives in the middle of nowhere.
However if you think USA Today has the best and most knowledgable writers, then I have a bridge I want to sell you!
Why wont you answer my question, beside paying your cable bill..How much $$ have you given to MLB since the strike? |
I went to a lot of games between 1994 and 2001. Since I got married I have been to like one baseball game.
And yes I think USA today has lots of knowledgable writers. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Why wont you answer my question, beside paying your cable bill..How much $$ have you given to MLB since the strike? |
Paying dr Pussy...Can you answer my question? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
I went to a lot of games between 1994 and 2001. Since I got married I have been to like one baseball game.
And yes I think USA today has lots of knowledgable writers. |
So the guy who goes to one game every 6 years is now telling us whats best for the game.
And backing it up with a sports writers from Cincinnatti.
Yeah, you have lots of credibility. :rolleyes:
Now you understand why people like you, but dont think your the brightest bulb :D |
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| Pussah2 |
| for future reference for all posters, can you tell me what papers, etc are credible sources since USA today, fox sports (the one where the guy wrote the article about the conflict of interest with Paul Byrd's name coming out during the playoffs) and any paper in Cincinnatti are not reputable sites or papers |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
correct, papers from a non top 10 market are useless. As well as anything by Ken Rosenthal!
And for future refrence we should ignore your comments on whats "good for the game of baseball". Since you dont put your $$ where your mouth is, you do not even know what is good for the game.
Last, if steroids were so good for the game you would have went to more then just 1 game in the last 6 years. Steroids would have drove you to the park at least 1x a year.
Hey lets end on a point we can agree with.....The Yankees are cheaters and classless!! :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
If steroids were so good for baseball, why did you not go to games?
Why not put your $$ where your mouth is!!
Why? Because your full of shit and trying anything to avoid the facts that your Yankees cheated, AND YOU KNOW IT!! :rofl: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If steroids were so good for baseball, why did you not go to games?
Why not put your $$ where your mouth is!!
Why? Because your full of shit and trying anything to avoid the facts that your Yankees cheated, AND YOU KNOW IT!! :rofl: |
maybe I could not afford going to games. I said I went to a lot between 1994 and 2001. After that I had new priorities. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
maybe I could not afford going to games. I said I went to a lot between 1994 and 2001. After that I had new priorities. |
So then it could not have been that good for baseball.
If it was that good for baseball, you would have made baseball a priority!
Your actions speak louder then anything you can shout!!
* :D |
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| Pussah2 |
| And I said in a couple of years when my oldest daughter might enjoy I hope I can get tickets to the new yankees stadium. I'll enjoy going to games again if she likes it |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So then it could not have been that good for baseball.
If it was that good for baseball, you would have made baseball a priority!
Your actions speak louder then anything you can shout!!
* :D |
With the way my marriage turned out, I probably should have |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
And I said in a couple of years when my oldest daughter might enjoy I hope I can get tickets to the new yankees stadium. I'll enjoy going to games again if she likes it |
I thought you can not afford it though?
Which is it now?
See how full of shit you are! I am too smart for you MAAAAN!! :cool: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
If you cant afford the old Yankee stadium, how can you afford the new Yankee stadium?
Prices are only going to be HIGHER!
YOU ARE OWNED BIATCH!
Whats your next excuse now? :rofl: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I thought you can not afford it though?
Which is it now?
See how full of shit you are! I am too smart for you MAAAAN!! :cool: |
I make a looot more money now for one thing. |
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| Pussah2 |
and like I said it wasnt a priority. iw as married and having kids, moved away from my friends who were also getting married and having kids. And my money was being spent on other things. Why is such a priority for you to go to games. I watched them on tv
get married and have kids and see how much your going to games diminishes |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
It is not a priority to go to games at all.
But for somebody to claim they know what is best for baseball, I would expect them to be a fan!
If it was important, you can go out and collect cans to pay for a baseball game. When i go in April to Shea I think I pay about $2 for a ticket. Yes $2 for a ticket, plus the parking fee.
If you are willing to go early in the season or during the week, you can get 2 cheap tickets with parking and shit for under $40. Then bring your own food with you and your set. I could collect $40 in cans within 48 hrs if I needed to.
Money is not really an issue for baseball. It is just an excuse you make.
Again, this all goes back full circle. This is all because you could not defend your cheating team so you took another route. We are ALL to smart for ya pussy!!
Now tell us again whats best for the game.....even though you dont support the game :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
get married and have kids and see how much your going to games diminishes |
I do what I want, when I want. No broad or kid is going to tell me what to do.
Why do you think I am living the life right now? I make good money and the only person I support is myself! Thats why I can afford to go to baseball games and Vegas 4x a year with my friends. I can go to Atlantic City as often as I want, and gamble on sports because MY $$ IS MY $$!!
I aint stupid. I am living the good life and not about to give it up for a broad or whiny ass kid. |
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| Pussah2 |
again I will go when I can go with my daughters when they are old enough to enjoy it. Until than going to a game is not important.
I never said I knew what was good for the game. All I said is steroids was a huge part in making baseball as popular as it is now. It saved the game from the strike when interest was in the toilet |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Interest was in the toilet?
Do you have the figures that baseball took in before the strike?
It was hardly in the toilet!! It might not have been what it is now, but it was far from in the toilet!
dont forget, all these new stadiums had a LARGE part of the increase in revenue. Not the players using steroids :rolleyes: |
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| Marinolaw |
| there is no question that baseball was reborn during the "steroid" error, but slavery was a boon for the US as well, doesn't make it any more palatable. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw
there is no question that baseball was reborn during the "steroid" error, but slavery was a boon for the US as well, doesn't make it any more palatable. |
:clap:
wow, a guy with a brain....Thank you!! :D |
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| Pussah2 |
ok here are the yankees attendance figures. I guess this what we consider the steroid era, right?
I'll check Mets and red sox because that makes up pretty much everyone here
1994 1,675,556
1995 1,705,263
1996 2,250,877
1997 2,580,325
1998 2,955,193
1999 3,293,659
2000 3,227,657
2001 3,264,552
2002 3,461,644
2003 3,465,600
2004 3,775,292 |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
ok here are the yankees attendance figures. I guess this what we consider the steroid era, right?
I'll check Mets and red sox because that makes up pretty much everyone here
1994 1,675,556
1995 1,705,263
1996 2,250,877
1997 2,580,325
1998 2,955,193
1999 3,293,659
2000 3,227,657
2001 3,264,552
2002 3,461,644
2003 3,465,600
2004 3,775,292 |
Are you serious?
Your right, attendance is all related to steroids. It has nothing to do with putting a competitve team on the field. :rolleyes:
Pussy, this is even a new low in dumbness for you :D |
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| Pussah2 |
Ny mets yearly attendance
1994 1,151,471
1995 1,273,183
1996 1,588,323
1997 1,766,174
1998 2,287,948
1999 2,726,008
2000 2,820,530
2001 2,658,330
2002 2,804,838
2003 2,140,599
2004 2,318,321 |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Are you serious?
Your right, attendance is all related to steroids. It has nothing to do with putting a competitve team on the field. :rolleyes:
Pussy, this is even a new low in dumbness for you :D |
:rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Are you serious?
Your right, attendance is all related to steroids. It has nothing to do with putting a competitve team on the field. :rolleyes:
Pussy, this is even a new low in dumbness for you :D |
I am saying it was a big reason that got people interested again. And who were those competitors again? Were they big guys hitting homeruns and dominant 95+ mph throwing pitchers
I guess those 10 years are what is considered as the steroid era. So I put attendance for those 10 years |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
but attendance PROVES NOTHING!!
All it proves is that when a team is good, people will come.
Thanks for proving that to me. I never had the #'s to back me up!! :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
| it helps prove that people got interested in the game again |
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| Pussah2 |
you keep saying the yankees are classless because they are a bunch of steroid users. Who dominates in home attendance and is usually first or second in road attendance in basball. The Yankees.
So people like seeing the classless bunch of steroid users. yes or No |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Dude, you just do not get it.
There is no stat or fact to prove that steroids WERE good for baseball. It is an OPINION!
an opinion you took on 96 hours ago because you could not defending your cheating Yankees anymore. You could not justify them winning championships with cheaters so you thought of this new theory, that has no facts to back it up.
Your not very smart buddy, we know what your TRYING to do!
Wont work though! :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
you keep saying the yankees are classless because they are a bunch of steroid users. Who dominates in home attendance and is usually first or second in road attendance in basball. The Yankees.
So people like seeing the classless bunch of steroid users. yes or No |
Again, this is basic math. There are more people from NY then any other city. THAT IS WHY!
Why do you think the Mets draw better on the road then the Marlins?
Because there are transplanted NYers all over the country!!
Dude, I honestly feel like I am talking to a 5 year old. I mean, are you trying to prove me right? It certainly seems like that to me! |
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| Pussah2 |
| dont use florida as an example. what about toronto, kansas city, minnesota. These cities come to the mets and yankees to see stars and it appears many stars are on roids or HGH |
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| Pussah2 |
| again, now I have given real articles from real papers to support this. All you are good at is insulting people who have another opinion. You refuse to accept any opinion different from your own. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
They come to see their team play!!
Because more people are from NY then any other city with a pro baseball team. THAT IS A FACT!!
Come on Pussy, this is common sense. Again, you do not even believe what your saying!! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
[QUOTE=Pussah2]again, now I have given real articles from real papers to support this. All you are good at is insulting people who have another opinion. You refuse to accept any opinion different from your own. [/QUOTE
The only thing you have supported is your own stupidity.
I have owned you on every subject.
Why dont you tell me again how you can not afford to go to games, but when your dau is older, youll go to more games :rofl: |
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| Pussah2 |
| I AM TALKING ROAD ATTENDANCE NOW. NOT HOME ATTENDANCE. people want to see stars and the Yankees, mets and red sox lead ROAD attendance because of stars and the majority of these stars needed a little something extra to make them stars. |
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