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| KingOfAllWhites |
Schilling calls out Clemens on steroids
Pitcher says Rocket should give up 4 Cy Youngs he's won since 1997
BOSTON - Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling called on Roger Clemens to give up the four Cy Young Awards he's won since 1997 if he can't clear his name from allegations that he used steroids to prolong and enhance his career.
"If he doesn't do that then there aren't many options as a fan for me other than to believe his career 192 wins and three Cy Youngs he won prior to 1997 were the end," Schilling wrote Wednesday in his blog, 38pitches.com. "From that point on the numbers were attained through using (performance-enhancing drugs). Just like I stated about Jose (Canseco), if that is the case with Roger, the four Cy Youngs should go to the rightful winners, and the numbers should go away if he cannot refute the accusations."
Schilling noted in the 3,200-word posting that he was a fan of the seven-time Cy Young winner who owed much of his success to a stern talking-to he received from Clemens when Schilling was a prospect in the Boston system.
"His `undressing' of me and lecture were a major turning point," Schilling said. "I've always respected his career accomplishments and regarded him as the greatest pitcher to ever play the game."
But, having called on Canseco to give up his 1988 AL MVP award, and noting also the unrefuted evidence against Barry Bonds, Schilling acknowledged he could not avoid questioning Clemens' accomplishments, as well.
"Can you separate what Barry is accused of from what Roger is accused of?" Schilling said. "If ... both of these men end up being caught, what does that say about this game, us as athletes and the future of the sport and our place in it? The greatest pitcher and greatest hitter of all time are currently both being implicated, one is being prosecuted, for events surrounding and involving the use of performance enhancing drugs. That (stinks). ... The sport needs fixing."
Clemens was the biggest name in the report by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell that detailed the widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. Clemens has denied using performance-enhancing substances.
Schilling commended those who've apologized for using performance-enhancing drugs, and called on everyone accused to prove their innocence or apologize for their mistakes.
"The world is full of good to great people that have made mistakes of this magnitude or worse," Schilling wrote. "These guys made mistakes, and I do mean mistakes. They didn't accidentally do this, this was a conscious decision with far reaching implications and they should be held accountable."
While calling Canseco's "entire career, all of it, is a sham" and saying "he was never in his life a major league player," Schilling also acknowledged that many of Canseco's claims about other steroid users have been corroborated.
"He has broken the flood gates on a topic that went unspoken on for far too long," Schilling said.
The runners-up in Clemens' last four Cy Young-winning years were Randy Johnson (1997 and 2004), Pedro Martinez (1998) and Mark Mulder (2001).
Schilling was among those who testified in March 2005 to a U.S. House committee investigating steroids, along with Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmiero. The same committee has scheduled hearings for Jan. 15.
Clemens has not been asked to attend, though it's possible that the committee could decide to ask Clemens or other players to appear that day — or at a future hearing, if there is one.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
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| babybear |
| put that on something. |
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| nuge67 |
Curt many times says he OWES his career to Clemens. Clemens took a fat out of shape Curt under his wings many years ago and taught him how to train. Clemens MADE Curt, how fast Curt forgets.
Besides, of all the people in baseball, Curt is the biggest pussy there is. This fat prick shot his mouth off for over a year that he knows players use roids, he seen them shooting up and so on. Once Congress called on him he fucking shit in his panties and lied, playing stupid. Best part is, he lied under oath, this Born Again fuck is going straight to fucking HELL!!! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Clemens taught him how to train?:rofl:
who held the needle then? :D |
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| Apoc13 |
| i really wish curt would just keep his mouth shut sometimes...now i'm going to have to listen to this shit all day tomorrow on weei |
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| Petey Arms |
| i wish curt would admit he did roids |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
i really wish curt would just keep his mouth shut sometimes...now i'm going to have to listen to this shit all day tomorrow on weei |
I'm with you on that.
Curt, are you a pitcher or a talk show host? |
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| nuge67 |
| Much hoopla has been made over Curt Schilling and Roger Clemens. Schilling claims that his early career failures were the result of his lax work ethic. That changed when he met Clemens and observed how diligently the man worked. From that day forth, Schilling decided to fulfill his potential. It paid off, of course, in 2001 and 2004, when he won World Series titles. |
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| AzCowboys |
| Clemens pleads the fif |
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| LonghornsNo1 |
| I would bet that his wife nor mother like Shilling. He's a loud mouth blowhard who has been called a "bad teammate" more than once. But he whore'd his way into some press so he should be happy today. |
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| BonswanaMiliken |
| Damn Schilling is a cunt. Mind your own fucking business asshole. |
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| babybear |
| I hope we never get Schilling back here in A.Z. like that bum Randy Johnson. |
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| DestroVega |
While Schilling is right to a certain extent, he really needs to stfu...
He clamed up in front of Congress after he said he saw guys sticking each other in the asses in his own clubhouses...
You can't have it both ways Curt. |
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| baghead |
| i would love to shit in schilling's mouth. |
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| cruz1785 |
| This fucking guy has nothing to do |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
| Good job Curt. :bigclap: Way to call out that roid using asshole. :bigclap: |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| if Clemens needs to give back his CY Youngs then maybe Curt should return any of his proceeds from the 1993 Phillies. if it wasn't for Dykstra carrying that team they would have never beaten the Braves. I guess since Curt found God he is so high and mighty. anybody remember the way he tore apart Canseco in the halls of Congress? the only one he picked on then was Canseco and his "rediculous book." boy he's got a big mouth now, what about then? did he ever confront teammates about the possibilty of them using performance enhancers? Dykstra? Luis Gonzales? I wish Curt would just go away and STFU. |
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| Petey Arms |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
if Clemens needs to give back his CY Youngs then maybe Curt should return any of his proceeds from the 1993 Phillies. if it wasn't for Dykstra carrying that team they would have never beaten the Braves. I guess since Curt found God he is so high and mighty. anybody remember the way he tore apart Canseco in the halls of Congress? the only one he picked on then was Canseco and his "rediculous book." boy he's got a big mouth now, what about then? did he ever confront teammates about the possibilty of them using performance enhancers? Dykstra? Luis Gonzales? I wish Curt would just go away and STFU. |
exactly |
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| Left |
| THe bloody sock was BS. We all knew it. That wasnt blood, never was. IT was placed on him body. And this guiy is gonna make a comment like that about Clemens. What about Bonds? Never a comment. |
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| Left |
| One more thing. Roger would kick his ever livin A*S in a fist fight. I know but felt like mentioning that. |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Left
THe bloody sock was BS. We all knew it. That wasnt blood, never was. IT was placed on him body. And this guiy is gonna make a comment like that about Clemens. What about Bonds? Never a comment. |
please, he's put up a million bucks to anyone to prove otherwise. Have you seen the pic of it in the hall of fame, it's turned brown, because it's blood. |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Much hoopla has been made over Curt Schilling and Roger Clemens. Schilling claims that his early career failures were the result of his lax work ethic. That changed when he met Clemens and observed how diligently the man worked. From that day forth, Schilling decided to fulfill his potential. It paid off, of course, in 2001 and 2004, when he won World Series titles. |
you forgot to add 2007 :D |
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| yambag |
| Shill is a big game pitcher come playoff time he is the man unlike A-rod .125 BA :D |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Shill is a big game pitcher come playoff time he is the man unlike A-rod .125 BA :D |
he's got a big mouth for sure, but he's a big game pitcher whose earned the right to say whatever the fuck he wants. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw
he's got a big mouth for sure, but he's a big game pitcher whose earned the right to say whatever the fuck he wants. |
He is right up ther with Boston heros Orr,Bird,Brady :D |
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| Left |
| ketchup turns brown if you leave it out long enough, I just can not believe it was blood. Sorry |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Left
ketchup turns brown if you leave it out long enough, I just can not believe it was blood. Sorry |
why is it so hard to believe, they stapled his fucking tendon to his muscle, not once, twice. Have you ever had stitches? The wound seeps, particularly when it's not closed fully. You can't accept the fact that instead of taking the pussy way out, he didn't sit out the series, which he easily could have done. |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
He is right up ther with Boston heros Orr,Bird,Brady :D |
watching the Detroit game last night, I remembered the game were Bird got knocked to the parquet, flat on his fucking face. Came back in, after being treated, that must have been ketchup on his face too. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Left
ketchup turns brown if you leave it out long enough, I just can not believe it was blood. Sorry |
I am guessing your the mult of Pussy.
Thats the only way to explain your mindset :rolleyes: |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Curt many times says he OWES his career to Clemens. Clemens took a fat out of shape Curt under his wings many years ago and taught him how to train. Clemens MADE Curt, how fast Curt forgets.
Besides, of all the people in baseball, Curt is the biggest pussy there is. This fat prick shot his mouth off for over a year that he knows players use roids, he seen them shooting up and so on. Once Congress called on him he fucking shit in his panties and lied, playing stupid. Best part is, he lied under oath, this Born Again fuck is going straight to fucking HELL!!! |
That's funny that your recollection is what it is....Well, not really as everyone knows what a homer you are. Schilling said point blank he never saw anyone shoot themselves up. I'd like to see you back that one up Nugey. |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by Left
THe bloody sock was BS. We all knew it. That wasnt blood, never was. IT was placed on him body. And this guiy is gonna make a comment like that about Clemens. What about Bonds? Never a comment. |
Yea, and Lee Harvey shot magic bullets. And you are who???? |
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| Matt Serra |
| I don't know what you jerk off Clemens jock riders expect out of this. Your boy is a drug cheat. The last 10 years of his career have all been a hoax. Schilling has the guts to stand up and say the right thing. Schilling can sleep well at night knowing his career is the real thing. Keep em coming Curt! |
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| jerrybobphil |
| Schilling is a hell of a pitcher but one huge douche bag. If he such a stand up guy why did he not speak to the Mitchell report. Why has he chosen to keep quiet about everything he's heard or seen. |
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| J Mets |
| While curt is a loudmtouth, clemens deserves just as much venom as barry and who better to do it than this |
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| kingofkings |
| so schilling never saw anyone in the locker room cheating ? if he is so high and mighty why isnt he outing other cheaters ? |
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| yambag |
 ROID Rage |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
:lol:
literally! I think the reports are that he had literally taken the needle in the ass, just a few days before that incident. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
literally! I think the reports are that he had literally taken the needle in the ass, just a few days before that incident. |
Why else would he do that? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
I don't know what you jerk off Clemens jock riders expect out of this. Your boy is a drug cheat. The last 10 years of his career have all been a hoax. Schilling has the guts to stand up and say the right thing. Schilling can sleep well at night knowing his career is the real thing. Keep em coming Curt! |
You want Curt's cock in your ass don't you? Curt is a PUSSY, where was his guts in front of Congress huh pussy?
And lets see the FACTS that show Clemens used roids. Do you have the blood or urine test? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
literally! I think the reports are that he had literally taken the needle in the ass, just a few days before that incident. |
Ever take roids? Takes a more then a few days to kick in, thus you do cycles.
Piazza KILLED the Met's by bowing to Clemens instead of going after him....After that, it was LIGHTS OUT METS |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Ever take roids? Takes a more then a few days to kick in, thus you do cycles.
Piazza KILLED the Met's by bowing to Clemens instead of going after him....After that, it was LIGHTS OUT METS |
Of course it was lights out. Almost 1/4 of your team was most likely on the juice.
How do you expect the Mets to keep up with the 2000 Yankees *? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Of course it was lights out. Almost 1/4 of your team was most likely on the juice.
How do you expect the Mets to keep up with the 2000 Yankees *? |
Yet, the guy popping the zits and trimming ass hairs of Met players was a roid dealer, go figure. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Yet, the guy popping the zits and trimming ass hairs of Met players was a roid dealer, go figure. |
What team did the other roid dealer work for, you know, the guy who also contributed to the Mitchell report??
I will give you a hint.........* |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
What team did the other roid dealer work for, you know, the guy who also contributed to the Mitchell report??
I will give you a hint.........* |
He was Roger's personal trainer |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
He was Roger's personal trainer |
He was also EMPLOYED by the New York Yankees.
The most classless franchise in ALL of sports :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
He was also EMPLOYED by the New York Yankees.
The most classless franchise in ALL of sports :D |
Man, you live in Red Sox threads don't you my sad Met's fan.
Yanks are the most storied sports team in the history of sports, WORLD WIDE!!! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Man, you live in Red Sox threads don't you my sad Met's fan.
Yanks are the most storied sports team in the history of sports, WORLD WIDE!!! |
A trainer EMPLOYED BY THE NEW YORK YANKEES!**
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| Deathshead |
| Quote: Yanks are the most storied sports team in the history of sports, WORLD WIDE!!! |
Shouldnt that be the STEROIDED sports team in history |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Man, you live in Red Sox threads |
so dont you... :scratch: |
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| EMFBoss |
Check out this story from the Boston herald about a local "nutrition" store and its relationship with Roger and McNammee
http://bostonherald.com/sports/base...ticleid=1055029
Not to stir up the pot, but this store is known to sell "illegal" performance enhancements. Buddies of mine have told me about it years back on how easy it was just to go in there and get whatever you needed to bulk up easy. Just saying :hw: |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
Check out this story from the Boston herald about a local "nutrition" store and its relationship with Roger and McNammee
http://bostonherald.com/sports/base...ticleid=1055029
Not to stir up the pot, but this store is known to sell "illegal" performance enhancements. Buddies of mine have told me about it years back on how easy it was just to go in there and get whatever you needed to bulk up easy. Just saying :hw: |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
I don't know what you jerk off Clemens jock riders expect out of this. Your boy is a drug cheat. The last 10 years of his career have all been a hoax. Schilling has the guts to stand up and say the right thing. Schilling can sleep well at night knowing his career is the real thing. Keep em coming Curt! |
Wrong... he clamed up in Congress like a fucking bitch.
Sleep well with that. |
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| yambag |
Former Yankees reliever Goose Gossage, though, was highly critical of Clemens, saying the Cy Young awards Clemens won in 1997, '98 and 2001 should be taken away.
"If Roger cheated, what do the numbers mean? They mean nothing," Gossage told the Bergen Record on Thursday. "Roger has always been a production, everything he's done has been a production. He's always wanted the attention. He's probably getting a lot more attention now than he ever wanted.
"With Clemens, you just shake your head and wonder how it all happened, how it came to this. I mean, why didn't the Red Sox re-sign him [after the 1996 season]? All of a sudden his numbers started getting crazy when he was supposed to be getting older.
"There's no way [those post-1996 Cy Young awards] can stand.
:rofl: :whistle: |
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| yambag |
This is the best line.................."Roger has always been a production, everything he's done has been a production. He's always wanted the attention. He's probably getting a lot more attention now than he ever wanted.
:D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Wrong... he clamed up in Congress like a fucking bitch.
Sleep well with that. |
So true, FUCK his Born Again blog, he had a chance, UNDER oat to tell the TRUTH, and the pussy looked like a deer in headlights and shit his pants............... |
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| yambag |
| Hey NUGE go fuck yourself. :hw: |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
So true, FUCK his Born Again blog, he had a chance, UNDER oat to tell the TRUTH, and the pussy looked like a deer in headlights and shit his pants............... |
hes not a rat.
this guy is.
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| KingOfAllWhites |
ahhhh, mangdummy.
The future WR's coach of Winsconsin-Green Bay :cool: |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Man, you live in Red Sox threads don't you my sad Met's fan.
Yanks are the most storied sports team in the history of sports, WORLD WIDE!!! |
No team has lost more playoff games this decade either |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Blue Virus
No team has lost more playoff games this decade either |
also the only team in baseball to make the playoffs every year |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
also the only team in baseball to make the playoffs every year |
and then choke. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
also the only team in baseball to make the playoffs every year |
Even your owner does not give a shit about that!
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Even your owner does not give a shit about that!
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Oh really? Do you realize the Mets lost over 50 MILLION by missing the playoffs? Do you realize that? |
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| jobbey |
hes fucked. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Oh really? Do you realize the Mets lost over 50 MILLION by missing the playoffs? Do you realize that? |
Can you quote your source please?
* :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
hes fucked. |
Too bad the survey doesn't vote........... |
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| RIP_DB |
| The cheatin fuck shouldn't make the hall......another Yankee roid user!!!! |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
The cheatin fuck shouldn't make the hall......another Yankee roid user!!!! |
Whaaa, you want more K Y for your dildo pussy? |
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| aztodd74 |
| I thinks its great to hear an athlete speak his mind and not be so PC. Whether he's right or wrong at least he's being real. |
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| RIP_DB |
| Clemens,Pettitte and Giambi are fuckn roid users on your cheatin Yankees and all you can come up with is fags,dildos and KY!!!We can all see where your priorities are you closet homo!!! |
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| Cane Nation |
| There aren't many players I'd pay to see...Clemens and Bonds are 2 that I definitely would. They were both Hall of Famers before their alleged steroid use. I'd put them both in the HOF first ballot! |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Cane Nation
There aren't many players I'd pay to see...Clemens and Bonds are 2 that I definitely would. They were both Hall of Famers before their alleged steroid use. I'd put them both in the HOF first ballot! |
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| RIP_DB |
Quote: Originally posted by Cane Nation
There aren't many players I'd pay to see...Clemens and Bonds are 2 that I definitely would. They were both Hall of Famers before their alleged steroid use. I'd put them both in the HOF first ballot! |
You right...before the roids!When he played for the Sox.When he joined the Yankees,the roids started to kick in!!! |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
You right...before the roids!When he played for the Sox.When he joined the Yankees,the roids started to kick in!!! |
You bet your ass when he left the Sox the rings and CY Youngs started kicking in BIG TIME!! |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
You bet your ass when he left the Sox the rings and CY Youngs started kicking in BIG TIME!! |
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| nuge67 |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Cane Nation
There aren't many players I'd pay to see...Clemens and Bonds are 2 that I definitely would. They were both Hall of Famers before their alleged steroid use. I'd put them both in the HOF first ballot! |
Just the fact that Clemens and Bonds are being used in the same sentence is enough for me!!
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
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Yeah... Pedro didn't need 'roids to pound on a 70-year-old :rolleyes: |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Yeah... Pedro didn't need 'roids to pound on a 70-year-old :rolleyes: |
That 70 year old is an asshole who should've stayed in the dugout. What a dumb fuck. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
That 70 year old is an asshole who should've stayed in the dugout. What a dumb fuck. |
WRONG JACKASS,l Zim had the heart and fire those Yankees should of had. I still can't see how not one Yankee fucking laid Pedro out/ |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I still can't see how not one Yankee fucking laid Pedro out/ |
That is becaue they were all pussies. At least your wheelchair gives you an excuse for being a pussy. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
WRONG JACKASS,l Zim had the heart and fire those Yankees should of had. I still can't see how not one Yankee fucking laid Pedro out/ |
Heart? Just dumb. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
That is becaue they were all pussies. At least your wheelchair gives you an excuse for being a pussy. |
exactly they are all pussies.
That is why Nuge and Pussy are both fans :D |
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