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| KingOfAllWhites |
A great start in the right direction. Parcells is leaving his fingerprints already, less then 2 weeks on the job.
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Parcells hires Ireland to be Dolphins general manager
ESPN.com news services
Updated: January 2, 2008, 4:25 PM ET
DAVIE, Fla. -- Dallas Cowboys executive Jeff Ireland is rejoining Bill Parcells as general manager of the Miami Dolphins.
Parcells hired Ireland on Wednesday to replace Randy Mueller, who was fired Monday after three seasons with Miami.
Parcells, who spent four seasons as Cowboys head coach, joined the Dolphins two weeks ago as executive vice president of football operations.
Ireland spent the past three years as the Cowboys' vice president of college and pro scouting, and he helped build the team that won the NFC East this season. Before that, he was an NFL scout for 11 years.
As general manager, Ireland will have final authority over the draft and all other personnel moves. He is expected to have input as well into the future of current head coach Cam Cameron, who finished with a 1-15 record in 2007, his first season with the Dolphins.
Cameron's fate is still to be decided after going 1-15 in his first season as an NFL head coach.
"I am excited about joining the Dolphins as their general manager," Ireland said in a team-released statement. "I know the great tradition of the team, and in my mind they are one of the flagship franchises in the NFL. They have a great owner in Wayne Huizenga, who I know is committed to making the Dolphins into winners once again. I am looking forward to working with him and everyone else in Miami to achieve that goal."
Ireland began in the NFL as a scout for the National Scouting Combine before joining the Kansas City Chiefs' personnel department in 1997. He was hired by the Cowboys as a national scout in 2001 and was elevated to the vice president's role three years ago.
Evaluating football talent is certainly part of his bloodlines. Ireland is the stepson of former Dallas and Kansas City standout linebacker E.J. Holub. He is the grandson of longtime NFL scout Jim Parmer, a personnel executive who helped to fashion the Chicago Bears' 1985 championship team.
"No doubt, this was my ambition," Ireland told the Palm Beach Post earlier this week. "I learned what this job entails at a very young age. I grew up in it. This type of job was something I always aspired to."
Information from ESPN.com senior writer Len Pasquarelli and The Associated Press is included in this report |
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| Elslavo |
| PLus they dont really have a bad team.. just needed direction and a QB who isnt made of glass. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Cameron is fired as well |
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| Elslavo |
| I am not sure yet, wouldnt suprise me if he stays or goes.. think Bill would hire Marty Schott? I think he would love to have Cower and thats at least another year. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
As I said:
Cameron out as Dolphins coach
ESPN.com news services
Updated: January 3, 2008, 9:30 AM ET
Dolphins coach Cam Cameron was fired Thursday morning, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports, continuing the team's shakeup following the hiring of Bill Parcells as head of football operations.
Cameron's fate was decided a day after the Dolphins hired Jeff Ireland as their new general manager and less than a week after Cameron finished a 1-15 season in his first year as an NFL head coach.
Parcells' call also means the Dolphins will have their fifth head coach in five seasons in 2008.
Bad personnel decisions over the past decade are a major reason for the decline of the Dolphins, once a perennial playoff team. They're sitting out the postseason for the sixth year in a row, and only an overtime win against Baltimore last month prevented them from becoming the NFL's first 0-16 team.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. |
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| Elslavo |
lol.. I just was at espn.com before coming here and it didnt break yet
guess its back to college for him. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| He really had no chance to succeed...He walked into a death trap with that job. |
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| djsmoke |
| I really can't wait until about 2-3 years from now when he announces his 3,4 retirement I forget how many he is on now. Then he will suddenly end up in buffalo where he will work for the bills. |
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| lampkinsr |
Quote: Originally posted by djsmoke
I really can't wait until about 2-3 years from now when he announces his 3,4 retirement I forget how many he is on now. Then he will suddenly end up in buffalo where he will work for the bills. |
He won't live that long |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by djsmoke
I really can't wait until about 2-3 years from now when he announces his 3,4 retirement I forget how many he is on now. Then he will suddenly end up in buffalo where he will work for the bills. |
No matter where he goes, he turns it around, you can't deny that..
The Fins need Chad at QB to at least get 4 wins next year |
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| Infant Gorilla |
As long as Parcells doesn't try to coach, I'm happy. He pulls those shorts over his spare tire, right under his man-tits, and he tries to intimidate players. I'm sure TO laughed at him on the first day of practice.
The Dolphins need offense. Let's get Mike Martz. |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
He really had no chance to succeed...He walked into a death trap with that job. |
He took over a team w/ a good D, a good young RB, decent WRs and acquired a proven vet QB in th offseason. The dolphins talent was not 1-15 talent even after some of their injuries, maybe if you watched the team you would know that. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
He took over a team w/ a good D, a good young RB, decent WRs and acquired a proven vet QB in th offseason. The dolphins talent was not 1-15 talent even after some of their injuries, maybe if you watched the team you would know that. |
Are you fucking retarded? The team was DECIMATED by injuried by week 4. The team had no depth and that is what caused the horrible offseason.
Why dont you look at everybody on the defensive and offensive who were injured before week 6.
The Dolphins had no depth and were killed by it.
The Dolphins talent wasd not 1-15 when preseason camp started. By the time September ended, it was a 0-16 type squad. BECAUSE THEY HAD NO DEPTH.
Next time watch a game. Then talk to me.
Oh yeah, I forgot. This is coming from a guy who said Kellen Clemens "Looks like the real deal" and also predicted the Jets to win 10 games.
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by Infant Gorilla
As long as Parcells doesn't try to coach, I'm happy. He pulls those shorts over his spare tire, right under his man-tits, and he tries to intimidate players. I'm sure TO laughed at him on the first day of practice.
The Dolphins need offense. Let's get Mike Martz. |
You don't want parcells making draft decisions, you'd want him to coach. He isn't the Gm but he will be directly involved in the decision making. Look at his '97-'99 drafts for the Jets(he inherited the #1 overall pick in 1997 and blew that):
1997 1 1 8 8 James Farrior LB Virginia
2 2 1 31 Rick Terry DT North Carolina
3 3 28 88 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa
4 4 6 102 Terry Day DE Mississippi State
5 4 8 104 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina
6 5 1 131 Lamont Burns G East Carolina
7 5 15 145 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee
8 6 1 164 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern
9 6 28 191 Chuck Clements QB Houston
10 7 1 202 Steve Rosga DB Colorado
11 7 28 229 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia
1998 1 2 26 56 Dorian Boose DT Washington State
2 3 6 67 Scott Frost DB Nebraska
3 3 26 87 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State
4 4 19 111 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati
5 5 11 134 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern
6 5 18 141 Doug Karczewski T Virginia
7 5 23 146 Blake Spence TE Oregon
8 5 26 149 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young
9 6 10 163 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland
10 6 21 174 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State
11 6 30 183 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young
12 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart TE Southern
1999 1 2 26 57 Randy Thomas G Mississippi State
2 3 29 90 David Loverne G San Jose State
3 4 28 123 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska
4 5 29 162 Jermaine Jones DB Northwest Louisiana
5 6 14 183 Marc Megna LB Richmond
6 6 28 197 J.P. Machado G Illinois
7 7 17 223 Ryan Young T Kansas State
8 7 29 235 J.J. Syvrud DE Jamestown |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Are you fucking retarded? The team was DECIMATED by injuried by week 4. The team had no depth and that is what caused the horrible offseason.
Why dont you look at everybody on the defensive and offensive who were injured before week 6.
The Dolphins had no depth and were killed by it.
The Dolphins talent wasd not 1-15 when preseason camp started. By the time September ended, it was a 0-16 type squad. BECAUSE THEY HAD NO DEPTH.
Next time watch a game. Then talk to me.
Oh yeah, I forgot. This is coming from a guy who said Kellen Clemens "Looks like the real deal" and also predicted the Jets to win 10 games.
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I m pretty sure I watched more dolphin games than you did especially after these comments. 2 years ago the Jets had a 4th sting QB for most of the season, a 3rd string RB, only 1 OL staed nd ended the year in the same position, they lost 2 PB caliber DL, their best defensive player from the year before and they still won 4 games. As bad as Miami's injuries were they weren't close to the '05 Jets so your injury excuse doesn't fly.
By the time September ended they were an 0-16 type squad? How would one know that considering no team has ever finsed 0-16? They played 4 games in September and were only competitive in 1. Ronnie brown went down in the 7th game at the END of October. Everyone knew Green wouldn't last long and Lemon is actually a competent NFL QB who played most of your season. Chatman played in 14 games and averaged 4 YPC(Brown averaged 5.1 YPC so the OL must have been opening holes), Booker playd 15 gams, Ginn 16, Hagan 16, they got 63 recs out of their top 2 TEs this year w/ 4 TDs which is more recs and TDs tan teygt otof McMichael last year, Chamers playd 6 games before they traded him.
On defense you had a big loss losing Zach Thomas after playing just 5 game but Taylor was healthy, Crowder played 11 games, Porter 16, both Allens16, Roth 13, Traylor 15, holliday 12 so where were these massive injuries that turned you into an 0-16 type team? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Thanks for proving my point.
Out of 22 total starters, you are saying how were not hurt by the injury because you named 10 total guys who played 8 games. I wont mention that you mention guys like Booker, Ginn, Hagan who are definately not top notch players as it is. Take them away and 2/3 of the Dolphins starters did not even play 8 games.
Dude, you make this so easy for me. Have any more ways to prove me right?
Tell me again how Kellen Clemens "looks like the real deal" I love it :rofl:
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| KingOfAllWhites |
P.S Look who filled in for the 12+ starters you did not name. Half of them were replaced by guys who barely have any NFL experience, especially winning experience.
Thanks for the help again :D |
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| lampkinsr |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
You don't want parcells making draft decisions, you'd want him to coach. He isn't the Gm but he will be directly involved in the decision making. Look at his '97-'99 drafts for the Jets(he inherited the #1 overall pick in 1997 and blew that):
1997 1 1 8 8 James Farrior LB Virginia
2 2 1 31 Rick Terry DT North Carolina
3 3 28 88 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa
4 4 6 102 Terry Day DE Mississippi State
5 4 8 104 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina
6 5 1 131 Lamont Burns G East Carolina
7 5 15 145 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee
8 6 1 164 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern
9 6 28 191 Chuck Clements QB Houston
10 7 1 202 Steve Rosga DB Colorado
11 7 28 229 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia
1998 1 2 26 56 Dorian Boose DT Washington State
2 3 6 67 Scott Frost DB Nebraska
3 3 26 87 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State
4 4 19 111 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati
5 5 11 134 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern
6 5 18 141 Doug Karczewski T Virginia
7 5 23 146 Blake Spence TE Oregon
8 5 26 149 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young
9 6 10 163 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland
10 6 21 174 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State
11 6 30 183 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young
12 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart TE Southern
1999 1 2 26 57 Randy Thomas G Mississippi State
2 3 29 90 David Loverne G San Jose State
3 4 28 123 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska
4 5 29 162 Jermaine Jones DB Northwest Louisiana
5 6 14 183 Marc Megna LB Richmond
6 6 28 197 J.P. Machado G Illinois
7 7 17 223 Ryan Young T Kansas State
8 7 29 235 J.J. Syvrud DE Jamestown |
He drafted well for the Cowboys. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| very well for the cowboys |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Thanks for proving my point.
Out of 22 total starters, you are saying how were not hurt by the injury because you named 10 total guys who played 8 games. I wont mention that you mention guys like Booker, Ginn, Hagan who are definately not top notch players as it is. Take them away and 2/3 of the Dolphins starters did not even play 8 games.
Dude, you make this so easy for me. Have any more ways to prove me right?
Tell me again how Kellen Clemens "looks like the real deal" I love it :rofl:
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This is too easy, you wrote the dolphins looked like an 0-16 team after September(again even though there has never been an 0-16 team so how would you know what one looked like?). They played 4 games in September sot he fact that most of these guys played 8-10 games means they had their team together more than 4 games, right? They were not injured half as badly as the '05 Jets and yet the Jets won 5 games, why was Miami only able to win 1 game?
Nice try deflecting again, you really know "your" dolphins :lol:
Quote: Originally posted by lampkinsr
He drafted well for the Cowboys. |
He didn't have total control in Dallas and 2 of he biggest reasons for Dallas' succss came from lucking out w/ Romo and Jerry Jones signing TO and the dallas drafts from '03-'06 were far from great. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
So let me get this straight.
Kellen Clemens "looks like the real deal"...
Thomas Jones was one of the best trades of the offseason
Mangdummy and Tannabaum are some of the best head coaches and GM's in the game
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Bill Parcells was no reason that the Cowboys had any success
and Wes Welker is the most overrated player in the NFL?
See how easy you make this for me. I am sure many people now think your an educated fan.
Thanks again :hw: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
? They were not injured half as badly as the '05 Jets and yet the Jets won 5 games, why was Miami only able to win 1 game?
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Can you show me a stat to back this up?
I would love to see it!
Your the man Nuge..Make me look so smart,so easily :rofl: |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So let me get this straight.
Kellen Clemens "looks like the real deal"...
Thomas Jones was one of the best trades of the offseason
Mangdummy and Tannabaum are some of the best head coaches and GM's in the game
but
Bill Parcells was no reason that the Cowboys had any success
and Wes Welker is the most overrated player in the NFL?
See how easy you make this for me. I am sure many people now think your an educated fan.
Thanks again :hw: |
it's very easy when you make things up.
I never said Kc was the real deal
I did say jones' trade was one of the best and it was a dman good trade.
I never said Mangini and Tannenbaum were 2 of the best HC and GM's in the game.
I didn't say parcells had no influence on the cowboys.
I didn't say Welker is THE most overrated though he is very overrated.
Quote: Can you show me a stat to back this up?
I would love to see it!
Your the man Nuge..Make me look so smart,so easily |
The Jets played most of 2005 w/ a 4th string QB(Brooks Bollinger), the dolphins played most of '07 w/ a backup that was actually better than the starter.
The jets played most of '05 w/ an injured Curtis Martin leading to the worst season of his career, the dolphins played w/ Brown for almost half the season then a uality backup for the rest.
The Jets played w/ an OL that had ONE player start and end the season in the same position. Vernon Carey started 16 games at LT, Chris Liwienski started 14 game sat LG, Samson satele started 16 games at C, Rex Hadnot started 16 games at RG, LJ Shelton started 16 games at RT. So out of 80 possible starts by your OL they started 78 games. By the way, those names are the players on the dolphins OL.
On D we lost our best player from '04(Eric Barton), we lost 2 PB caliber DL(Robertson and Ellis) while you guys lost a very important guy in Zach Thomas after 5 games. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
1)The Jets played most of 2005 w/ a 4th string QB(Brooks Bollinger), the dolphins played most of '07 w/ a backup that was actually better than the starter.
2)The jets played most of '05 w/ an injured Curtis Martin leading to the worst season of his career, the dolphins played w/ Brown for almost half the season then a uality backup for the rest.
The Jets played w/ an OL that had ONE player start and end the season in the same position. Vernon Carey started 16 games at LT, Chris Liwienski started 14 game sat LG, Samson satele started 16 games at C, Rex Hadnot started 16 games at RG, LJ Shelton started 16 games at RT. So out of 80 possible starts by your OL they started 78 games. By the way, those names are the players on the dolphins OL.
On D we lost our best player from '04(Eric Barton), we lost 2 PB caliber DL(Robertson and Ellis) while you guys lost a very important guy in Zach Thomas after 5 games. |
You make this so easy:
1) What facts do you have that Jon Beck and Cleo Lemon are better then Brooks Bollinger? Can you back that up with FACTS!!
2) So both teams lost their main RB. What facts do you have that Curtis Martin is a bigger loss then Ronnie Brown? Back it up with facts!
Last, so the only defensive lose by the Dolphins was Zack Thomas? The rest of their 11 starters from training camp all never missed a game or portion of games?
Dude, you just make this too easy for me.
Now since you talked completely out of your ass, can you back up ANYTHING you said with facts.
Just back up what you said. Because everybody else just thinks your a jets cum guzzling nuge mult :hw: |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
You make this so easy:
1) What facts do you have that Jon Beck and Cleo Lemon are better then Brooks Bollinger? Can you back that up with FACTS!!
2) So both teams lost their main RB. What facts do you have that Curtis Martin is a bigger loss then Ronnie Brown? Back it up with facts!
Last, so the only defensive lose by the Dolphins was Zack Thomas? The rest of their 11 starters from training camp all never missed a game or portion of games?
Dude, you just make this too easy for me.
Now since you talked completely out of your ass, can you back up ANYTHING you said with facts.
Just back up what you said. Because everybody else just thinks your a jets cum guzzling nuge mult :hw: |
1)John Beck not yet, Lemon? Yes and lemon was as good as Trent Green. In 7 starts lemon threw 6 TDs and 6 INTs, in 8 starts last year green threw 7 INts and 9 INts and in 5 starts this year 5 TDs and 7 INTs. Lemon was your BACKUP, Brooks was our FOURTH string QB behind Chad, Fiedler and Vinny and he was playing behind a beat up OL UNLIKE Cleo Lemon whose Ol remained intact all year.
2)Curtis/cedric Houston ran it 301 times for 1037 yards w/ a 3.4 YPC while Brown and Chatman(that's brown's backup since you probably didn't know) ran it 247 times for 1117 yards and a 4.5 YPC. That's a full yard better from your main backs- tell me who was hurt more? Are these facts good enough for you? I realize you are mentally challenged but read it slowly and maybe it will absorb. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
1)John Beck not yet, Lemon? Yes and lemon was as good as Trent Green. In 7 starts lemon threw 6 TDs and 6 INTs, in 8 starts last year green threw 7 INts and 9 INts and in 5 starts this year 5 TDs and 7 INTs. Lemon was your BACKUP, Brooks was our FOURTH string QB behind Chad, Fiedler and Vinny and he was playing behind a beat up OL UNLIKE Cleo Lemon whose Ol remained intact all year.
2)Curtis/cedric Houston ran it 301 times for 1037 yards w/ a 3.4 YPC while Brown and Chatman(that's brown's backup since you probably didn't know) ran it 247 times for 1117 yards and a 4.5 YPC. That's a full yard better from your main backs- tell me who was hurt more? Are these facts good enough for you? I realize you are mentally challenged but read it slowly and maybe it will absorb. |
Thanks again for proving my point. All you did was prove that Miami had better offensive line then the Jets in 2005. When did I say they did not?
You did NOTHING to prove that Ronnie Brown and Jessie Chatman are better then Curtis Martin and Cedric Houston. They ran for more yards because they had a better line, not because they are better players.
And anybody who says Cleom Lemon is comforable to Trent Green is a moron. Have you ever watched a QB play? Do you realize how important decision making and experience are? Obviously not, because you think you can just compare TD's and Int and thats it. You can get the whole reading on a QB by his picks and TD.
Dude, due me a favor and watch a Dolphins game before you come on here and embarass yourself. Again, you just make me look like a genius.
Also, since we are on the offensive line talk. You seem to talk a lot about how your favorite RB did not have a great year because of his OL play. But you know what I find weird? The offensive line was perfect when Leon Washington was running, they did a great job opening the lines. However a guy like thomas Jones could not buy a td. You blame the offensive line. But when we listen to you, the offensive line sucks for Thomas Jones but has nothing to do with Leon Washington.
Last question...Did Thomas Jones have more fumbles or td's?
Thanks again for making me look like a genius Nuge..You da man! :hw: |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Thanks again for proving my point. All you did was prove that Miami had better offensive line then the Jets in 2005. When did I say they did not?
You did NOTHING to prove that Ronnie Brown and Jessie Chatman are better then Curtis Martin and Cedric Houston. They ran for more yards because they had a better line, not because they are better players.
And anybody who says Cleom Lemon is comforable to Trent Green is a moron. Have you ever watched a QB play? Do you realize how important decision making and experience are? Obviously not, because you think you can just compare TD's and Int and thats it. You can get the whole reading on a QB by his picks and TD.
Dude, due me a favor and watch a Dolphins game before you come on here and embarass yourself. Again, you just make me look like a genius.
Also, since we are on the offensive line talk. You seem to talk a lot about how your favorite RB did not have a great year because of his OL play. But you know what I find weird? The offensive line was perfect when Leon Washington was running, they did a great job opening the lines. However a guy like thomas Jones could not buy a td. You blame the offensive line. But when we listen to you, the offensive line sucks for Thomas Jones but has nothing to do with Leon Washington.
Last question...Did Thomas Jones have more fumbles or td's?
Thanks again for making me look like a genius Nuge..You da man! :hw: |
Do you ever read what you write?
Of course Brown was not better than Curtis Martin at Curtis' peak but '05 Curtis vs. '07 Brown goes to Brown. Curtis not only had a worse OL but he was playing hurt all year and could barely run. Regardless of the OL the Dolphins RB's produced better than the '05 Jets which made them better in '07 than the Jets duo in '05 which means you should have won more than 1 game ut of course being the genius you are you knew they looked like a 1 win team after the first month even though they were pretty healthy after a month.
I watched Lemon play in his brief stint in '06 and many games in '07, Cleo Lemon w/o a doubt was as good, if not better than, Trent Green from '06 and '07. If I was running a team i would rather Lemon start for me than Green at this point.
"Dude, due me a favor and watch a Dolphins game before you come on here and embarass yourself."
Just look at yourself in the mirror and repeat that phrase.
The Ol was perfect when leon ran the ball? Is that why Leon had zero TDs? His YPC ws better but he had only 71 carries and a few of his longer carries(obviously Leon is more of a gamebreaker) skewed his YPC. I love leon and he needs to be involved more but despite his good YPC he was alot better in 2006 than he was in 2007.
Jones had 2 TDs(1 rush, 1 receive) and zero fumbles lost.
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
Do you ever read what you write?
Of course Brown was not better than Curtis Martin at Curtis' peak but '05 Curtis vs. '07 Brown goes to Brown. Curtis not only had a worse OL but he was playing hurt all year and could barely run. Regardless of the OL the Dolphins RB's produced better than the '05 Jets which made them better in '07 than the Jets duo in '05 which means you should have won more than 1 game ut of course being the genius you are you knew they looked like a 1 win team after the first month even though they were pretty healthy after a month.
I watched Lemon play in his brief stint in '06 and many games in '07, Cleo Lemon w/o a doubt was as good, if not better than, Trent Green from '06 and '07. If I was running a team i would rather Lemon start for me than Green at this point.
"Dude, due me a favor and watch a Dolphins game before you come on here and embarass yourself."
Just look at yourself in the mirror and repeat that phrase.
The Ol was perfect when leon ran the ball? Is that why Leon had zero TDs? His YPC ws better but he had only 71 carries and a few of his longer carries(obviously Leon is more of a gamebreaker) skewed his YPC. I love leon and he needs to be involved more but despite his good YPC he was alot better in 2006 than he was in 2007.
Jones had 2 TDs(1 rush, 1 receive) and zero fumbles lost.
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Cleo Lemon is "without a doubt" better then Trent Green?
That has to be some of the funniest things I have ever heard. Of course you have nothing to back that up because its the craziest statement I have ever heard. You really sound like a moron.
Also, why dont you answer my question...How many FUMBLES did Jones have? How many TD's did he have?
I cant wait for your response. You just make me look like a genius.
And you wonder why your the joke of this board?? :rofl: |
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| StumpMerrill |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Cleo Lemon is "without a doubt" better then Trent Green?
That has to be some of the funniest things I have ever heard. Of course you have nothing to back that up because its the craziest statement I have ever heard. You really sound like a moron.
Also, why dont you answer my question...How many FUMBLES did Jones have? How many TD's did he have?
I cant wait for your response. You just make me look like a genius.
And you wonder why your the joke of this board?? :rofl: |
I have figured it out! Reading is your problem! you actually believe the nonsense you spew b/c you have trouble w/ reading comprehension.
I write: "Cleo Lemon w/o a doubt was as good, if not better than, Trent Green from '06 and '07" and you see "Cleo Lemon is "without a doubt" better then Trent Green?".
| Quote: That has to be some of the funniest things I have ever heard. Of course you have nothing to back that up because its the craziest statement I have ever heard. You really sound like a moron. |
I already did that and their #s were very similar.
| Quote: Also, why dont you answer my question...How many FUMBLES did Jones have? How many TD's did he have? |
I already did this as well, just slow down and digest the information before you post. it will help you look alot mroe intelligent than you come off now. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
I have figured it out! Reading is your problem! you actually believe the nonsense you spew b/c you have trouble w/ reading comprehension.
I write: "Cleo Lemon w/o a doubt was as good, if not better than, Trent Green from '06 and '07" and you see "Cleo Lemon is "without a doubt" better then Trent Green?".
I already did that and their #s were very similar.
I already did this as well, just slow down and digest the information before you post. it will help you look alot mroe intelligent than you come off now. |
Thanks dude, again you make me look like a genius. Go ask any English teach and they will tell you. You said ""Cleo Lemon w/o a doubt was as good, if not better than, Trent Green from '06 and '07". Now go ask any English teacher(or any person with a brain, since you obviously lack one) and they will tell you your statement is the SAME exact thing as :"Cleo Lemon is "without a doubt" better then Trent Green?".
How dumb are you bro?
Also bro, just because obviously stats are not your strong point. There is a difference between FUMBLES and FUMBLES LOST. Thomas Jones has 2 fumbles this year and 2 Td's. That sure sounds like the numbers of a great player.
Just do me a favor, tell me again how Kellen Clemens "Looks like the real deal".
Me and Pussy want to laugh at you.....AGAIN!! :rofl:
Thanks again for making me look so smart, I could not have done it better myself :hw: |
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| StumpMerrill |
| You are such a buffoon. There really isn't any point discussing things w/ such a mentally challenged person. I tried to be nice for a while but you are so clueless it's not funny anymore. i had fun w/ it for a while but those days have passed. Now let me find some folks who can carry on intelligent sports conversations. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
You are such a buffoon. There really isn't any point discussing things w/ such a mentally challenged person. I tried to be nice for a while but you are so clueless it's not funny anymore. i had fun w/ it for a while but those days have passed. Now let me find some folks who can carry on intelligent sports conversations. |
Come on, just tell me one more time how Kellen Clemens in the real deal.
Also tell me how great Thomas Jones is. Even though he fumbled as often as he scored touchdowns.
Now tell me again about those bandwagon fans :hw: |
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