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| KingOfAllWhites |
This just keeps getting better. They should make a movie about this lying cheater :mad:
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Roger Clemens says he was injected with "Lidocaine and B-12" and not steroids or human growth hormone by former trainer Brian McNamee, according to a portion of an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" released Thursday.
"Lidocaine and B-12. It's for my joints, and B-12 I still take today," Clemens told Mike Wallace in the interview, which is scheduled to be shown Sunday night. It is Clemens' first interview since the release of the Mitchell report in December.
In the report, McNamee claims to have injected Clemens with steroids in 1998, 2000 and 2001. He said he injected the seven-time Cy Young winner with HGH in 2000, according to the report.
According to CBS, Clemens calls the accusation that he used steroids and HGH "ridiculous" and says he "never" used any banned substances. The interview was conducted last Friday.
Wallace asked Clemens if he swears he didn't used banned substances. "Swear," Clemens responds.
Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that can be used by dentists and in minor surgery. It also is available as part of ointments used to treat skin inflammation.
Clemens is scheduled to hold a news conference on Monday, the day after the interview is broadcast.
On Thursday, The New York Times reported that a lawyer for McNamee said he wouuld sue Clemens if he accuses McNamee of lying in the interview.
"He's got a chance to protect himself," Richard D. Emery, a New York-based lawyer who specializes in libel and defamation actions, told The Times. "We're not going to sue him if he doesn't do it. But if he does it, we're going to sue him."
Clemens' lawyer, Rusty Hardin, told The Times his client has nothing to hide.
"I believe a client who's telling the truth should tell the world the truth," he said. Of Clemens' "60 Minutes" appearance, Hardin said, "I think [Clemens] expressed himself very emotionally, and it'll give the viewer a chance to look at Roger and make up their mind."
On Thursday, Hardin added: "In his interview with 60 Minutes Roger told the truth. It is that simple. I encourage Mr. McNamee to watch the program."
Mike Wallace gets first crack at Roger Clemens. Will Clemens tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in the interview?
Shortly after the Mitchell report's release, Clemens issued denials both through Hardin and in a video posted on his Web site.
"Let me be clear, the answer is no. I did not use steroids or human growth hormone, and I've never done so," Clemens said in the video, released on Dec. 23. "I did not provide Brian McNamee with any drugs to inject into my body. Brian McNamee did not inject steroids or human growth hormones into my body."
McNamee's lawyer, Ed Ward, said in December that "[McNamee] stands 100 percent behind the accuracy of the information he provided to Sen. Mitchell."
Shortly after the report was released, Hardin said: "... I am extremely upset that Roger's name was in this report based on the allegations of a troubled and unreliable witness who only came up with names after being threatened with possible prison time."
Baseball players and owners did not have an agreement to ban steroids until September 2002, and they didn't ban HGH until January 2005.
Also on Thursday, the New York Daily News reported that Hank Steinbrenner, the New York Yankees' senior vice president, said Clemens will not be back in pinstripes.
"I'm not signing Clemens," Steinbrenner told the Daily News in a telephone interview.
Steinbrenner said the team has Andy Pettitte, who is also mentioned in the Mitchell report and who has admitted using performance enhancing drugs, signed for one season.
"Andy is [signed] for one year and he's only 35 and he knows how to pitch in the big games," Steinbrenner said, according to the Daily News. "Roger does, too, but let's face it, he's going to be 46 [in August].
"Pettitte is just as good with the young pitchers, though Clemens was great with the young kids last year. I don't think Roger is going to come back anyway."
Information from The Associated Press is included in this report |
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| jobbey |
| fuck you got me by a minute. |
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| mbrin_61 |
| Does Clemens seriously think anyone believes this bullshit? :rolleyes: |
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| LarryHorseFucker |
| Did he pinky swear? Because if he didn't.....Im not buying it. |
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| yambag |
| First he said he was "Never Injected" now he says he was ? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
First he said he was "Never Injected" now he says he was ? |
Pull the van over and read kid
He said he never injected STERIODS...He is telling the turth, I have not seen anything else that shows otherwise... |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Pull the van over and read kid
He said he never injected STERIODS...He is telling the turth, I have not seen anything else that shows otherwise... |
Put me back on Ignore. :hw: |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| I would love to see McNamee sue Clemens win his case and reveal evidence that Clemens took steroids. He should just admit he did it like Pettite and people would forgive him. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| or he should just say nothing and ride into the sunset. |
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| Matt Serra |
I love it. Now he's saying he was injected. He's probably afraid there was a witness to the injections or that there is some record of siringes linked to him. What a liar.
There's an ESPN guy named Colin Cowheard and he said something noteworthy. Guys like Bonds, Clemens, Petite have the best doctors available, but for "medical treatment" the go the weight lifting trainer. Yah sure. |
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| Matt Serra |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Pull the van over and read kid
He said he never injected STERIODS...He is telling the turth, I have not seen anything else that shows otherwise... |
How does Clemen's jock smell you idiot. |
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| meetthemets |
| How many phone calls do you think he's made to Pete Rose to get advice on how to lie to the public for years? |
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| DestroVega |
| Man, this is embarrassing... Clemens can't be this dumb, can he? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Man, this is embarrassing... Clemens can't be this dumb, can he? |
You have no idea how refreshing it is, to hear a Yankee fan with some sense! :cool: |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
You have no idea how refreshing it is, to hear a Yankee fan with some sense! :cool: |
Dude, how could any Yankee fan, or any fan for that matter, buy Clemens' bullshit?? Pettite admitting it was enough evidence for me, and then Clemens tries to dance around it by saying he injected him with painkillers and B12??... that's such a convenient thing!
I don't know how good steroids makes you, it obviously lets you pitch with gusto until you are way older... I think Clemens still could have been as good up until 2002 without 'roids... which makes it all that much sadder. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Man, this is embarrassing... Clemens can't be this dumb, can he? |
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| DestroVega |
| This kind of reminds me of Pete Rose... deny deny deny... when all you should really do is admit and move on... people forgive... America as a whole is so fucking forgiving. |
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| Rev10 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Dude, how could any Yankee fan, or any fan for that matter, buy Clemens' bullshit?? Pettite admitting it was enough evidence for me, and then Clemens tries to dance around it by saying he injected him with painkillers and B12??... that's such a convenient thing!
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Painkillers and B12? hahahahaha
and like Bonds was rubbing on flax-seed oil! |
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| meetthemets |
| Just look at how the guy's numbers improved around the time he "allegedly" started taking them. Juice made him go from being a mediocre pitcher at best to being considered one of the best ever. He would have never returned to the Yankees and would have won 3 or 4 less Cy Youngs. |
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| oneldef |
| He is a fucking douche. I hope he gets sued. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
This kind of reminds me of Pete Rose... deny deny deny... when all you should really do is admit and move on... people forgive... America as a whole is so fucking forgiving. |
Well, they had physical evidence on Rose, they have ZERO on Clemens, so it comes down to Roger's word vs a drug dealer's word. I still say Roger is clean until he says otherwise or you have physical evidence.......... |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Well, they had physical evidence on Rose, they have ZERO on Clemens, so it comes down to Roger's word vs a drug dealer's word. I still say Roger is clean until he says otherwise or you have physical evidence.......... |
So you obviously think Bonds and McGwire are clean also..... :rolleyes: |
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| Matt Serra |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Well, they had physical evidence on Rose, they have ZERO on Clemens, so it comes down to Roger's word vs a drug dealer's word. I still say Roger is clean until he says otherwise or you have physical evidence.......... |
You are a fucking tool! Clemen's trainer flipped and Clemens is a piece of shit. So is Any Petit lying! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| I swear I never took a drug before in my life! :rolleyes: |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So you obviously think Bonds and McGwire are clean also..... :rolleyes: |
Bonds admitted to using roids, although he thought it was just cream. Only one to say they saw Mark using was Jose, no proof otherwise........ |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
You are a fucking tool! Clemen's trainer flipped and Clemens is a piece of shit. So is Any Petit lying! |
Matty,
Get that real size Clemens dildo ready for Sunday pal. Andy said he only used HGH twice to help his elbow. Clemens never admitted to using it at all. Did Andy say he seen Roger using it? NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
So, show me physical proof or let me hear Clemens say he used it, otherwise, I will take Roger's word for it.... |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Bonds admitted to using roids, although he thought it was just cream. Only one to say they saw Mark using was Jose, no proof otherwise........ |
So you think McGwire is innocent and did not do steroids? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So you think McGwire is innocent and did not do steroids? |
Would you hang someone for a crime if you have no physical evidence that he commited such? |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Matty,
Get that real size Clemens dildo ready for Sunday pal. Andy said he only used HGH twice to help his elbow. Clemens never admitted to using it at all. Did Andy say he seen Roger using it? NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
So, show me physical proof or let me hear Clemens say he used it, otherwise, I will take Roger's word for it.... |
Well, I gotta' say, no offense intended, that you are a fuckin' idiot if you really think Clemens is clean. Why would you take his word? What is it about him that you believe is so genuine? Clemens has everything, his reputation most of all, to lose. Fuckin' a, he's lyin. Please. |
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| meetthemets |
| If Clemens signed with Boston tomorrow Spuge would change his tune in two seconds. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Would you hang someone for a crime if you have no physical evidence that he commited such? |
Why do you answer a question with a question?
I did not ask if you wanted to kill Roger or Mark, I said....
Do you believe Marc McGwire is innocent and never used steorids? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Well, I gotta' say, no offense intended, that you are a fuckin' idiot if you really think Clemens is clean. Why would you take his word? What is it about him that you believe is so genuine? Clemens has everything, his reputation most of all, to lose. Fuckin' a, he's lyin. Please. |
Why would you take the trainers word? What makes him such an angel? Fact is, if the guy says he didn't use it and no one has proof he did, how can you not believe him unless proven otherwise........ |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Why do you answer a question with a question?
I did not ask if you wanted to kill Roger or Mark, I said....
Do you believe Marc McGwire is innocent and never used steorids? |
I have no physical evidence that Mark used. Do I think he did, maybe, can I prove he did in the court of law, hell no............. |
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| elroyjonz |
| ....and now we find out that Roger Clemens was the inspiration for the "fathead" wall posters. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I have no physical evidence that Mark used. Do I think he did, maybe, can I prove he did in the court of law, hell no............. |
Do you THINK Roger Clemens used any type of performance enhancing drugs? |
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| Matt Serra |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I have no physical evidence that Mark used. Do I think he did, maybe, can I prove he did in the court of law, hell no............. |
You are the biggest jock rider on this board. You'd suck Clemens off if he asked you to.
People are convicted ALL THE TIME based on eye ball witnesses in this country. What convicted John Gotti? Sammy the Bull who said I heard Gotti give orders to murder people. There was no fucking "physical evidence" you fucking dim wit. |
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| bbo626 |
Thats right. Its like everybody says I'm guilty but I was innocent. Leastways that what the jury said.
looking for some more bitches,
O.J.
P.S. I inject some Juice in y'all |
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| EMFBoss |
| All this shit is useless unless there is a lawsuit from either side, if not, its just a "he said, she said" thing that will go on for years. Im not sure why Clemens bothered doing this interview anyways. He actually thinks everyone in the media will say "Oh he is clean, because he said so during the Mike Wallace interview". :rolleyes: If he is clean and wants to clear his name, pony up all that dough you have and lets see this defamation lawsuit!! |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Why would you take the trainers word? What makes him such an angel? Fact is, if the guy says he didn't use it and no one has proof he did, how can you not believe him unless proven otherwise........ |
You & I Both know if Clemens were still in Boston you'd be calling for his execution by now. Clemens is a bum & a cheat. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I have no physical evidence that Mark used. Do I think he did, maybe, can I prove he did in the court of law, hell no............. |
McGwire? After that pathetic display in Washington? Some things are just common sense. Open your eyes. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
All this shit is useless unless there is a lawsuit from either side, if not, its just a "he said, she said" thing that will go on for years. Im not sure why Clemens bothered doing this interview anyways. He actually thinks everyone in the media will say "Oh he is clean, because he said so during the Mike Wallace interview". :rolleyes: If he is clean and wants to clear his name, pony up all that dough you have and lets see this defamation lawsuit!! |
Thank you, spider. |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Thank you, spider. |
explain the joke :rolleyes: |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
"Lidocaine and uhhhh... vitamin B12! Yea, that's the ticket!"
An excerpt from an article in the NY Daily News, Jan 3rd, 2008 by BY CHRISTIAN RED and TERI THOMPSON
Clemens, 45, has said for years that he takes B-12 shots, including in 2005 in response to claims in Canseco's steroid tome, "Juiced," that Clemens discussed steroid use with Canseco.
"I've never seen Roger Clemens do steroids, and he never told me that he did," Canseco wrote, before going on for two pages about his steroid discussions with Clemens. "But we've talked about what steroids could do for you, in which combinations, and I've heard him use the phrase 'B12 shot' with respect to others."
Canseco wrote that the phrase came to mean steroid use in the clubhouse. "The players started doing them (steroids) right there in the locker room, so openly that absolutely everybody knew what was happening. It was so open, the trainers would jokingly call the steroid injections 'B12 shots,' and soon the players had picked up on that little code name, too."
Blaming B-12 after being caught using steroids is not uncommon in doping circles. When Baltimore's Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for steroids in 2005, he said a tainted vial of B-12 given to him by a teammate - later identified as Miguel Tejada - might have caused the positive test. "
Hmmm... think Mike Wallace would bother to allude to this golden nugget in Canseco's book? |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Why would you take the trainers word? What makes him such an angel? Fact is, if the guy says he didn't use it and no one has proof he did, how can you not believe him unless proven otherwise........ |
Yet you frequently have accused Manny and Papi of using Steroids based on absolutely nothing, not even anecdotal evidence.
Hmmmmm, can you say HOMER? :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
| i never liked clemens but I was hoping he would take on baseball and sue because he had the name, the clout and the money to do it. Now he is a douche and hope he fries |
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| EMFBoss |
Sound familiar?
Rafael Palmeiro said a vitamin he received from Miguel Tejada might have caused the positive test for steroid use that led to the first baseman's suspension, an assertion his Baltimore Orioles teammate dismissed as implausible.
Palmeiro said he received vitamin B-12 from Tejada, a person familiar with Palmeiro's unsuccessful grievance hearing to overturn the suspension told The Associated Press Thursday on condition of anonymity because the proceedings were secret.
Orioles executive vice president Jim Beattie quickly denied that Tejada supplied steroids to Palmeiro.
"Miggy [Tejada] is cleared in any implication that he provided steroids to Palmeiro," Beattie said. "That was investigated by HHPAC [House Health Policy Advisory Committee], and just to be sure they tested the stuff that Miggy had. It was found to be the B-12. That cleared it. End of story."
Beattie said that Palmeiro would issue a statement denying that he accused Tejada of giving him a substance that may have caused a positive test. And according to ESPN The Magazine's Amy K. Nelson, Beattie said he does not expect Palmeiro to dress again for the team this season.
The Washington Post reported Thursday night that a substance given to MLB's governing body on steroids was tested three times and determined to be B-12. Tejada was cleared of any wrongdoing, according to the Post.
"Right now I'm in shock," Tejada, a former American League MVP, said after Baltimore lost 7-6 to the New York Yankees on Thursday. "I've never given anybody steroids before. I've been checked out three times already, and I'm clean. I've been clean all my life."
Tejada said he gave Palmeiro the B-12 injection "a long time ago."
"It doesn't bother me because I'm not guilty. I've done nothing wrong. I just gave him B-12, and B-12 is legal," Tejada said. "You don't get caught for B-12."
Vitamin B-12 helps maintain healthy nerve cells and red blood cells and is commonly found in foods such as fish, meat, poultry and dairy products.
Palmeiro has not publicly discussed details of his testimony, which came during an unsuccessful grievance filed by the players' association to overturn his 10-day suspension, which followed a positive test -- reportedly for stanozolol.
His lawyers, Mayer, Brown, Rowe and Maw LLP, issued a statement Thursday night saying they "are disturbed about the misleading reports being leaked by unnamed sources who claim knowledge of the investigation."
"Rafael Palmeiro has never implicated any player in the intentional use or distribution of steroids, or any other illegal substance, in any interview or testimony," the statement said.
According to the AP's source familiar with the investigation, Palmeiro listed the B-12 as a possible reason for the positive test but did not make any definitive accusation.
Before the game, Orioles interim manager Sam Perlozzo said that if the first baseman had named a teammate in trying to explain his steroid test, it probably would be best that Palmeiro not return to the team this year.
"If in fact that was true, then it probably would not be a good idea" for Palmeiro to return, Perlozzo said. "It's all speculation as far as I know."
Congressional investigators have been interviewing the Orioles following Palmeiro's 10-day suspension, which began Aug. 1. Palmeiro went 2-for-26 with one RBI after his return and was sent home by Baltimore on Sept. 5 for rehabilitation on his right knee and left ankle.
Arn Tellem, Palmeiro's agent, did not return a telephone call seeking comment. House Government Reform Committee spokesman Dave Marin declined comment.
Congressional investigators are looking into whether Palmeiro lied under oath when he appeared before the House Government Reform Committee in March and testified that he "never used steroids. Period."
Baseball has not said when the positive test occurred.
Palmeiro, who turns 41 on Saturday, is batting .266 with 18 homers and 60 RBI. He got his 3,000th hit on July 15, joining Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers. Palmeiro's 569 homers rank him ninth on the career list.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
When I am hurt or injured I go to a licensed doctor, and let him give me any injections or medications that I need.
When Roger Clemens gets hurt or injured, a professional athlete whose body makes him a living. He goes to a personal trainer to get injections. That makes sense, I mean why would you go to a DOCTOR? :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Here is a great read I found on espn.com
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Wallace should throw high and tight with Clemens interview
By Gene Wojciechowski
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: January 2, 2008, 2:54 PM ET
And so it comes to this: An 89-year-old "correspondent emeritus" who adores the New York Yankees, spends quality time in owner George Steinbrenner's stadium suite and considers latest interviewee Roger Clemens "my friend," becomes our best hope to arm wrestle the truth out of the accused pitcher.
No wonder Clemens' reps were hoping that Mike Wallace would be asking the questions for Sunday's "60 Minutes" segment. Clemens got a familiar face (Wallace first interviewed him in 2001), a self-admitted admirer and gobs of prep time for the make-or-break interview.
Now I get it. This is what Clemens meant when he said he'd talk "at the appropriate time in the appropriate way." In Clemens' damage-control world, that means his first interview will air a full 24 days after the Dec. 13 Mitchell report named him as a steroids and HGH user.
Not too much is at stake. Only Clemens' reputation, his baseball legacy, his place in the Hall of Fame, his records and his word. A 24-season body of often jaw-dropping major league work is under siege.
Through issued statements and a video on his Web site -- all conveniently done from his Texas bunker and without having to deal with any of those annoying reporters -- Clemens has denied the accusations made by former personal trainer Brian McNamee in the Mitchell report. The nutshell version of McNamee's claims: that he injected Clemens with steroids and/or HGH during the 1998, 2000 and 2001 seasons.
Now it's up to CBS's Wallace to try to separate fact from fiction. In essence, the interview becomes Clemens' personal anti-Mitchell report. But even then you have to question Clemens' actions: He declined to discuss the allegations with former Sen. George Mitchell, but he's more than willing to discuss them with Wallace? On national television? And afterward, he's scheduled to conduct a news conference with other reporters? Interesting.
I'm hoping for the best from the interview, which is to say I'm hoping for Wallace's best.
The man has won 21 Emmys and enough journalism awards and honorary degrees to fill half a Wal-Mart. He has a history of fearlessness, and his interview doctrine -- as described in his memoir, "Between You and Me" -- is direct and confrontational. Writes Wallace: "There is no such thing as an indiscreet question."
Wallace once dared to ask Louis Farrakhan if the Nation of Islam leader was responsible for the assassination of Malcolm X. He told Lyndon Johnson that "Vietnam f---ed you, Mr. President, and so, I'm afraid, you f---ed the country." He suggested to Menachem Begin that the Israeli prime minister had much in common with blood enemy Yasir Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organization. Begin raged at the comparison.
Wallace had the nerve to tell the Ayatollah Khomeini that Egypt's Anwar Sadat described the Iranian cleric as "a lunatic." He has sat across from the likes of Panama dictator Manuel Noriega and Watergate dictator H.R. Haldeman. And in February 2005 he interviewed a one-time big league star who had sold his baseball soul for the narcissistic power of steroids.
His name was Jose Canseco.
The symmetry is unavoidable. Wallace and the whistle-blowing/mercenary Canseco in 2005 ... Wallace and the outraged Clemens defending himself against the likes of Canseco in 2008.
For the fans' sake, baseball's sake and even Clemens' sake, we need Wallace to be indiscreet in the interview. We need him to be unrelenting. We need him to park his friendship with the seven-time Cy Young winner at the front door.
What we don't need is a touchy-feely version of Oprah, or worse yet, The Chris Farley Show.
Wallace: "Remember that time in 1998, when you were pitching for the Toronto Blue Jays, and you started 6-6, and then all of a sudden you finished 14-0 for the rest of the season, and your ERA dropped from 3.27 to 2.29, and that guy McNamee was your trainer?"
Clemens: "Yeah. So what?"
Wallace: "That was awwwwwwsome."
Instead, it would be nice to see vintage Wallace on Sunday night. Not ruthless, but skeptical, dogged, willing to chip away at the outer shell of responses no doubt prepared for Clemens by his handlers.
I'd like to hear him ask why Clemens, if the pitcher has nothing to hide, refused to discuss the steroid and HGH allegations with Mitchell.
I'd like to know why Clemens thinks McNamee would supposedly lie about him in such damning and stunning detail, but tell investigators the absolute truth about Clemens' teammate and workout partner Andy Pettitte.
I'd like to know why Clemens once trusted McNamee so completely, but now lets his lawyer refer to the personal trainer as "a troubled man."
I'd like to know if he thinks Pettitte (and others who have admitted to using performance enhancers) is a cheater.
I'd like to hear Clemens explain what he would do if asked to testify under oath at an upcoming congressional hearing. Or why no lawsuit has been filed if, in fact, Canseco, McNamee or the MLB-commissioned Mitchell report defamed him. Or why Canseco, who has been outing steroid and performance-enhancer users for years, would lie about discussing steroids with Clemens 10 seasons ago.
And, of course, I'd like to know if his team of private investigators will also be working with O.J. Simpson's people.
"60 Minutes" wanted Clemens, and Clemens apparently wanted Wallace. Now that they have each other, let's hope we get something more than a Yankees group hug.
The truth would be a nice start.
Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
explain the joke :rolleyes: |
You've never seen Goodfellas'? |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by johnni44
Yet you frequently have accused Manny and Papi of using Steroids based on absolutely nothing, not even anecdotal evidence.
Hmmmmm, can you say HOMER? :rolleyes: |
Please respond, nuge! |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Please respond, nuge! |
I never said Manny uses as I am sure he does, but that stupid prick would leave a paper trail from that BBQ grill he was selling on E BAY to the Yankee Clubhouse store where he buys his Yankee gear.
But Papi, I heard Stick Michael, Mike and the Mad Dog and Michael Gay talk about how not only do they feel he is or was using, but so does trhe rest of baseball. Thats all I have to know. People say compare Bonds size from his early years to now, do the same for Papi..........
Thing is, they cover it well in the DR............ |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I never said Manny uses as I am sure he does |
another contradiction by nuge :clap: |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
another contradiction by nuge :clap: |
Please show me as I never said that Manny uses, or maybe I don't recall. But I stand by the fact that Papi uses or did use............ |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I never said Manny uses as I am sure he does, but that stupid prick would leave a paper trail from that BBQ grill he was selling on E BAY to the Yankee Clubhouse store where he buys his Yankee gear.
But Papi, I heard Stick Michael, Mike and the Mad Dog and Michael Gay talk about how not only do they feel he is or was using, but so does trhe rest of baseball. Thats all I have to know. People say compare Bonds size from his early years to now, do the same for Papi..........
Thing is, they cover it well in the DR............ |
So you believe a bunch of Yankee lickspittles? Typical. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Please show me as I never said that Manny uses, or maybe I don't recall. But I stand by the fact that Papi uses or did use............ |
........And so the rest of us stand by the fact that Clemens does, also. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I never said Manny uses as I am sure he does, but that stupid prick would leave a paper trail from that BBQ grill he was selling on E BAY to the Yankee Clubhouse store where he buys his Yankee gear.
But Papi, I heard Stick Michael, Mike and the Mad Dog and Michael Gay talk about how not only do they feel he is or was using, but so does trhe rest of baseball. Thats all I have to know. People say compare Bonds size from his early years to now, do the same for Papi..........
Thing is, they cover it well in the DR............ |
Did you hear this in one of your medication indused coma's? :scratch: :crazy: |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
This article has that idiot nuge written all over it. Believing in Sasquatch, the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and Roger Clemens. :jj:
http://www.timesunion.com/ASPStorie...TS&LinkFrom=RSS
Clemens is simply incredible
First published: Sunday, January 6, 2008
If you believe in the tooth fairy, you take Roger Clemens at his word when he denies using illegal performance enhancers in a taped "60 Minutes" interview airing tonight.
If you accept the story of George Washington not being able to tell a lie after chopping down the cherry tree, then you believe Clemens' claim that his ex-personal trainer, Brian McNamee, injected him with B-12 and lidocaine -- funny how Clemens receives medical treatment from his personal trainer instead of a doctor -- not steroids and HGH.
If you consider Rip Van Winkle's 20-year sleep a catnap, then you see nothing odd in Clemens' waiting five days to defend himself, in a short written statement, from the accusations by McNamee. It also doesn't strike you as peculiar that Clemens waited five more days to post a video on his official Web site to deny wrongdoing -- and then waited longer still before finally answering questions.
Among the first questions asked should be, "Why would McNamee tell the truth about injecting Andy Pettitte with HGH, but lie about injecting Clemens with performance enhancers, knowing he would lose his immunity from federal prosecution if found to have committed perjury?"
McNamee has nothing to gain by lying, and much to lose.
If you believed Marion Jones, Barry Bonds and Floyd Landis, then you believe Clemens, too.
They spin fine fairy tales. Most of us know better than to believe them. We know the script by now. It starts with denial. Followed by further denial. Only when confronted with proof will athletes cop to "trying" steroids, and sometimes even then their charade continues.
If you believe Sasquatch exists, you think Clemens' weight and muscle gains occurred naturally.
If you think the Fountain of Youth has been discovered, then it makes sense that in the season Clemens turned 43 he'd post the lowest ERA of his career (1.87) -- even though no baseball player has ever performed so well so late in his career.
In his book "Juiced," Jose Canseco, who turned out to be the most credible person of all on baseball's steroid problem, wrote: "I can't give chapter and verse on Roger's training regimen. But I'll tell you what I was thinking at the time:
"One of the classic signs of steroid use is when a player's basic performance actually improves later in his career. One of the benefits of steroids is that they're especially helpful in countering the effects of aging. So in Roger's case, around the time he was leaving the Boston Red Sox -- and Dan Duquette, the general manager there, was saying he was 'past his prime' -- Roger decided to make some changes. He started working out harder. And whatever else he may have been doing to get stronger, he saw results. His fastball improved by a few miles per hour. He was a great pitcher long before then; it wasn't his late-career surge that made him great. But he certainly stayed great far longer than most athletes could expect. There's no question about that." If Clemens testifies under oath, at a congressional committee hearing on Jan. 16, it will not be something he does lightly. It's one thing to lie in the court of public opinion, quite another to lie under threat of federal prosecution for perjury.
When he pitched, we thought Roger Clemens was unbelievable.
Turns out, he still is. |
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| nuge67 |
| Guys, in the court of law, you need facts, and there are no FACTS here at all. If he failed a blood or urine test, or if he says I used it, then I will say he is a scumbag, until you show me facts, it's Roger's word against some guy who was facing jail............hummmmmmmmmmm |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Guys, in the court of law, you need facts, and there are no FACTS here at all. If he failed a blood or urine test, or if he says I used it, then I will say he is a scumbag, until you show me facts, it's Roger's word against some guy who was facing jail............hummmmmmmmmmm |
What facts do you have on Big Papi? Such a hypocrite, you are. |
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| otto02 |
| Just read where all of this sniping between Clemens & his trainer/ friend has drawn the attention of Jeff Novitsky, an IRS special agent who was responsible for getting Barry Bonds indicted. Can you say "Game of Shadows 2." |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
What facts do you have on Big Papi? Such a hypocrite, you are. |
TRUE, but I heard people very close to the game, Stick and Michael Gay say it, never heard them say ot about Clemens.......... |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
TRUE, but I heard people very close to the game, Stick and Michael Gay say it, never heard them say ot about Clemens.......... |
Why would they say it about Clemens? He, and they, all work for the Yankees. Wait until Jeff Novitsky gets involved. Clemens is shitting his pants right about now. |
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| Cane Nation |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Just read where all of this sniping between Clemens & his trainer/ friend has drawn the attention of Jeff Novitsky, an IRS special agent who was responsible for getting Barry Bonds indicted. Can you say "Game of Shadows 2." |
Novitsky and Game of Shadows had to do with Balco and Victor Conte. Clemens was never a client of Conte or Balco. There is no evidence that Clemens used. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
TRUE, but I heard people very close to the game, Stick and Michael Gay say it, never heard them say ot about Clemens.......... |
Again, I pray for your sake this is just SFN schtick and you're really not this clueless in real life.
Hey, remember the old politics forum? How come you stopped posting there before everything was deleted?
SnoopyRules!!! :jj: |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by Cane Nation
Novitsky and Game of Shadows had to do with Balco and Victor Conte. Clemens was never a client of Conte or Balco. There is no evidence that Clemens used. |
What I'm saying is that Novitsky now has interest in the Clemens deal. You'll hear about soon enough. |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
TRUE, but I heard people very close to the game, Stick and Michael Gay say it, never heard them say ot about Clemens.......... |
Well, I heard Mike Holly, Glenn Ordway, and everyone else on WEEI talking about how A-rod might be taking HGH :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
Well, I heard Mike Holly, Glenn Ordway, and everyone else on WEEI talking about how A-rod might be taking HGH :rolleyes: |
I heard that too, Johnny Pesky said it, and there's nobody that's closer to the game than him. It MUST be true then!!! :jj: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I talked to Jim Leyritz yesterday and he told me for a fact that Jeter was on steroids during the mid 90's.
Its confirmed! |
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| DestroVega |
| You guys hear Clemens and MacNemee (spelling?) had an hour phone conversation on Friday?.... this is getting more interesting. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| To be a fly on the wall........ |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
You guys hear Clemens and MacNemee (spelling?) had an hour phone conversation on Friday?.... this is getting more interesting. |
Ever since the Mitchell report was released Dec. 13, Roger Clemens and his former trainer Brian McNamee have been trading barbs via lawyers through the media. According to a published report, they spoke by phone Friday night.
While it's uncertain who initiated the call according to New York Newsday, a source told the paper the conversation lasted about an hour and could be described as "emotional."
In the Mitchell report, McNamee said he injected Clemens with steroids during his career.
The paper also reports that the verbal back-and-forth between Clemens and McNamee has drawn the attention of Jeff Novitzky, an IRS special agent responsible for the indictment of Barry Bonds in November on felony charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
A person familiar with the situation told Newsday on Saturday that Novitzky has turned his focus toward Clemens in the wake of all the back and forth between Clemens and McNamee.
An interview with Clemens on "60 Minutes" is scheduled to air Sunday night and is expected to refute McNamee's claims that the trainer injected the embattled pitcher with steroids.
Clemens says was injected with "lidocaine and B-12" and not steroids or human growth hormone by McNamee, according to a portion of an interview with "60 Minutes" released Thursday.
"Lidocaine and [vitamin] B-12. It's for my joints, and B-12 I still take today," Clemens told Mike Wallace in the interview. It is Clemens' first interview since the release of the Mitchell report.
According to CBS, Clemens calls the accusation that he used steroids and HGH "ridiculous" and says he "never" used any banned substances. The interview was conducted at Clemens' home in Katy, Texas, a suburb west of Houston.
Clemens is scheduled to hold a news conference on Monday, the day after the interview is broadcast.
Earl Ward, an attorney for McNamee, said his client stands by "everything he said to Senator Mitchell and federal investigators."
"Brian has a master's degree in sports medicine," Ward told ESPN The Magazine's Shaun Assael. "He knows the difference between lidocaine, B-12 and testosterone. What he injected into Roger Clemens wasn't lidocaine or B-12. It was testosterone."
Another lawyer for McNamee, Richard Emery, has threatened to sue Clemens for defamation.
"I think that this is a lawyers' game, which allows him to try and attempt to say that McNamee didn't know what he was injecting or that at least Clemens didn't know what he was injecting,'' Emery said.
"It really depends now on how the whole interview goes, and whether he goes after Brian. Look, I don't care whether Clemens used Sodium Pentothal. I don't care if he used strontium 90. My only concern is for Brian's well-being and his future.''
Clemens is among a short list of former players who has been invited to speak before a congressional hearing discussing the Mitchell report on Jan. 15-16.
The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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| KMSDEMON |
according to conseco.
calling steroids b-12 was the big joke back then.
anytime someone in the clubhouse said "time for my b-12 shot"
everyone knew it was roids.
nice try roger. |
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| Rev10 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
You guys hear Clemens and MacNemee (spelling?) had an hour phone conversation on Friday?.... this is getting more interesting. |
sounds like they wanted to get their stories straight, in case they get called to the carpet. This is going to get good!, I can't wait. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
according to conseco.
calling steroids b-12 was the big joke back then.
anytime someone in the clubhouse said "time for my b-12 shot"
everyone knew it was roids.
nice try roger. |
You have the facts? Roger stated he had prescribtions for those B-12 shots, I have seen no other FACTS that show he used roids.......
INNOCENT!!! |
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| Case a Beer |
| :munch: 60 minutes..coming up! |
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| Marinolaw |
| the "government witness" or rat was more honest than he will be |
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| steve7968 |
| i'm watching interview now.... |
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| Case a Beer |
| "it didn't happen" |
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| steve7968 |
his eyes look very shifty....(when wallace was reading from report)
lying i guess |
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| steve7968 |
| what's mcnamee getting out of it??? (wallace just said it) a free pass |
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| Case a Beer |
| "fixing to bury ya"...meaning...hey buddy why are you throwing me under the bus. |
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| steve7968 |
| looking down when answering about andy..... |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Rev10
sounds like they wanted to get their stories straight, in case they get called to the carpet. This is going to get good!, I can't wait. |
Or maybe the trainer was trying to convince Clemens not to make an ass out of himself. Congress is next, under oath, someone will take the 5th, I vote Clemens |
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| steve7968 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
"fixing to bury ya"...meaning...hey buddy why are you throwing me under the bus. |
yup :( |
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| Marinolaw |
| At least they put the bull dog, Mike Wallace on him |
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| steve7968 |
vioxx...
Rofecoxib (pronounced /roʊfəˈkɒksɪb/) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) developed by Merck & Co. to treat osteoarthritis, acute pain conditions, and dysmenorrhoea. Rofecoxib was approved as safe and effective by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on May 20, 1999 and was subsequently marketed under the brand name Vioxx, Ceoxx and Ceeoxx.
Rofecoxib gained widespread acceptance among physicians treating patients with arthritis and other conditions causing chronic or acute pain. Worldwide, over 80 million people were prescribed rofecoxib at some time.
On September 30, 2004, Merck voluntarily withdrew rofecoxib from the market because of concerns about increased risk of heart attack and stroke associated with long-term, high-dosage use. Rofecoxib was one of the most widely used drugs ever to be withdrawn from the market. In the year before withdrawal, Merck had sales revenue of US$2.5 billion from Vioxx. Vioxx was also withdrawn from the market, as was its successor Prexige on August 14, 2007 due to causing severe liver damage and 2 deaths.[1]
Rofecoxib was available on prescription as tablets and as an oral suspension. |
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| Apoc13 |
| at least wallace isn't softballing him...weei thought he was gonna take it easy on him. |
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| Bronks Breasts |
| I still hate Shawn Estes for... not hitting Clemens in the face with his 79 MPH heater |
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| steve7968 |
| WTF?? lawsuit spending??? did yiou see that??? he should say i'll leave nothing unturned to prove my innocence.. (money is not the object here- fuckers made over $100 million) |
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| Case a Beer |
| Is it me or is he is coming off real bad in this. wow!! |
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| Apoc13 |
| roger is shitting....please tell me they don't have a lie detector test here |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Bronks Breasts
I still hate Shawn Estes for... not hitting Clemens in the face with his 79 MPH heater |
He was only good for stealing bicycles. |
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| steve7968 |
| i think he just tiptoed around the last question and did not directly answer it |
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| steve7968 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Is it me or is he is coming off real bad in this. wow!! |
you are correct :(
damn... from the begining..shifty eyes (ask marino) think this is sign of lying |
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| Bist Meshugeh |
| One mans word against anothers, hardly proof that he did it. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| How didn't Clemens know Pettite was using when their best friends and workout with the same guy? |
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| jtsly2000 |
Quote: Originally posted by steve7968
i think he just tiptoed around the last question and did not directly answer it |
I was just thinking the same thing. He really danced around that lie detector question. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by steve7968
you are correct :(
damn... from the begining..shifty eyes (ask marino) think this is sign of lying |
He looked totally uncomfortable. blatantly obvious. holy shit! |
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| steve7968 |
| well that blew...i'm gonna go post in the lounge and get on stick :hw: |
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