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| Petey Arms |
By Michael David Smith
Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss broke the all-time single-season receiving touchdowns record of Jerry Rice on Saturday, and after the game, Moss told reporters this:
"I don't think me breaking Jerry Rice's record is special," Moss said. "I think shutting you guys up is what made it special, all the negativity, all my critics."
Rice knows a thing or two about breaking records, and when he broke the records of the great receivers who came before him, he always showed respect for those receivers. So how did Rice feel about Moss saying breaking his record wasn't special? On a radio interview Wednesday, Rice said, "I's almost like a little slap in the face, but that's typical of Randy Moss."
Ouch. As great a player as Moss is, he's always lacked Rice's work ethic, both on the field and during the off-season, and he's always lacked Rice's classy, dignified approach to the game. Rice is right to say what he said about Moss.[/I] |
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| EMFBoss |
| :bigcry: :bigcry: |
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| rolltide |
| Randy Moss thinks he's the Plato of our generation. Too bad he's a cancer in the locker room, and will not make it into the HOF. |
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| thoroldjames |
Moss is a great player(better than great)
Anyone would want him on their team
And he's an ass, these things happen |
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| Hugomarink |
| Jerry Rice is one of the all-time classiest players. Randy Moss is a bug compared to Rice. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Rice is a classy player, I am sure he was offended.
But going public just makes him look bad...he doesnt deserve this. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Petey Arms
By Michael David Smith
Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss broke the all-time single-season receiving touchdowns record of Jerry Rice on Saturday, and after the game, Moss told reporters this:
"I don't think me breaking Jerry Rice's record is special," Moss said. "I think shutting you guys up is what made it special, all the negativity, all my critics."
Rice knows a thing or two about breaking records, and when he broke the records of the great receivers who came before him, he always showed respect for those receivers. So how did Rice feel about Moss saying breaking his record wasn't special? On a radio interview Wednesday, Rice said, "I's almost like a little slap in the face, but that's typical of Randy Moss."
Ouch. As great a player as Moss is, he's always lacked Rice's work ethic, both on the field and during the off-season, and he's always lacked Rice's classy, dignified approach to the game. Rice is right to say what he said about Moss.[/I] |
Moss is a fucking prick and one of the reasons America hates the Pats. He is a pot smoking criminal who has been suspended by the NFL and disliked by all the teams he has played on.
Fact is, he caught 1 more TD pass then Rice did, but played in 4 more games....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Moss is a fucking prick and one of the reasons America hates the Pats. He is a pot smoking criminal who has been suspended by the NFL and disliked by all the teams he has played on.
Fact is, he caught 1 more TD pass then Rice did, but played in 4 more games....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
I don't care if Moss smokes pot. He's out of Jerry Rice's league for many other reasons. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Moss is a fucking prick and one of the reasons America hates the Pats. He is a pot smoking criminal who has been suspended by the NFL and disliked by all the teams he has played on.
Fact is, he caught 1 more TD pass then Rice did, but played in 4 more games....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
C'mon now, don't hold the weed thing again'st him. Lots of us, I mean people, smoke grass. |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
Nah, but I'm sure if your JETS had the chance to get him, your views on him would be different..keep on hating :hw: |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Has nothing to do with Rice. He just said the media fueled him to play better. Rice is taking this the wrong way in my opinion. |
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| mobsmith |
| Moss haters can go eat another :dick:, Moss > Rice |
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| studhub |
| Don't see what he said that bad and as much as I hate the Pats I've said it before I'll say it again, Moss is the most talented receiver ever, yes better than Rice. :yes: |
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| Saul Hudson |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Has nothing to do with Rice. He just said the media fueled him to play better. Rice is taking this the wrong way in my opinion. |
I agree. I don't think Moss was being disrespectful at all. What he was trying to say was that he wasn't out to break Jerry Rice's record. He was out to shut up the media. It's no big deal. |
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| The Terminator |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Moss is a fucking prick and one of the reasons America hates the Pats. He is a pot smoking criminal who has been suspended by the NFL and disliked by all the teams he has played on.
Fact is, he caught 1 more TD pass then Rice did, but played in 4 more games....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
Having seen all the Pats' games this season, it is a FACT that Randy Moss is very much liked and respected by his teammates in New England. Much like Corey Dillon, he left his personal issues out of the locker room, and the results have been spectacular.
No disrespect for Jerry Rice, but 1) Randy Moss has more natural ability than him, and 2) Rice stayed in the league about five years too long, when he played for the Seahawks and Broncos. Didn't know when to hang up the cleats, until the Broncos cut his ass. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Moss is a fucking prick and one of the reasons America hates the Pats. He is a pot smoking criminal who has been suspended by the NFL and disliked by all the teams he has played on.
Fact is, he caught 1 more TD pass then Rice did, but played in 4 more games....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
I see you're making an early bid to win "SFN Ferrall Sports Dumbest Poster Of The Year" for the second year in a row. |
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| KMSDEMON |
everytime rice is interviewed he throws in the "well i did it in 12 games" bullshit.
well , he had 18 years to do it in 16 games and well , couldnt. |
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| Rev10 |
| IMO, Rice is being a tad cunty regarding this. Moss had a right to say what he did, to a certain extent coming off the 2 poor seasons in Oakland. It wasn't a big secret that the media and a lot of "experts" said he was 'done' before going to N.E. |
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| Rev10 |
...and putting the off the field stuff aside, cause he hasn't had any in a long time. I would have to take Moss over Rice if I had to pick between the two.
Moss' speed, height, and ability to reach over DB's makes him one of the all time best at his position. |
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| Petey Arms |
Quote: Originally posted by The Terminator
Having seen all the Pats' games this season, it is a FACT that Randy Moss is very much liked and respected by his teammates in New England. Much like Corey Dillon, he left his personal issues out of the locker room, and the results have been spectacular.
No disrespect for Jerry Rice, but 1) Randy Moss has more natural ability than him, and 2) Rice stayed in the league about five years too long, when he played for the Seahawks and Broncos. Didn't know when to hang up the cleats, until the Broncos cut his ass. |
Randy Can't See Rice
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Has nothing to do with Rice. He just said the media fueled him to play better. Rice is taking this the wrong way in my opinion. |
Being a 49ers fan I actually agree... I don't think Moss meant it the way it sounded... he isn't putting down Rice or the record, but he sounds like he is. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by The Terminator
No disrespect for Jerry Rice, but 1) Randy Moss has more natural ability than him, and 2) Rice stayed in the league about five years too long, when he played for the Seahawks and Broncos. Didn't know when to hang up the cleats, until the Broncos cut his ass. |
1) I say, since Rice had to work so much harder without the natural talent, he garners more respect.
2) That means nothing, doesn't take away from his achievements at all. |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by Petey Arms
Randy Can't See Rice
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rice didnt get those by himself.
he had tom brady sr. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Rev10
...and putting the off the field stuff aside, cause he hasn't had any in a long time. I would have to take Moss over Rice if I had to pick between the two.
Moss' speed, height, and ability to reach over DB's makes him one of the all time best at his position. |
You would take Moss over Rice in his prime? crazy... |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
You would take Moss over Rice in his prime? crazy... |
If Moss was on the Giants Petey would love him. :D |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Moss is a fucking prick and one of the reasons America hates the Pats . He is a pot smoking criminal who has been suspended by the NFL and disliked by all the teams he has played on.
Fact is, he caught 1 more TD pass then Rice did, but played in 4 more games....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
Who is this America you spealk of?? |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by rolltide
Randy Moss thinks he's the Plato of our generation. Too bad he's a cancer in the locker room, and will not make it into the HOF. |
Hey Hillbilly, you know nothing about football if you don't think Moss is going into the Hall of Fame. He is the most talented receiver in the history of the game. Rice and Hutson are better becuase of their work ethic and the way they changed the game, but Moss might be the most gifted receiver to ever wear a uniform. It's a shame that his bad attitude always got in the way of his potential...that and some lousy teams/QBs.
You can hate him all you want, but he is a Hall of Fame lock. |
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| Petey Arms |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
If Moss was on the Jets Petey would love him. |
i hate the jets :rolleyes: |
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| DirtySanchez35 |
You either like this new generation of athlete and tollerate all there stupid trash talking, criminal wrap sheets, and lack of loayalty to anyone let alone the game that has made them rich, or you dont.
The league is more business then sport these days free agancy ruined it all.
Personally I hate all the spoiled pricks whether named Moss, Owens or any of the rest.
Therefore I only watch NCAA and drink myself into imgaining it is still pure! |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
If Moss was on the Giants Petey would love him. :D |
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| keeneda9erfan |
Quote: Originally posted by mobsmith
Moss haters can go eat another :dick:, Moss > Rice |
Randy Moss couldn't lick the sweat off of Jerry Rice's ballsack! |
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| wvsarafan |
Quote: Originally posted by DirtySanchez35
You either like this new generation of athlete and tollerate all there stupid trash talking, criminal wrap sheets, and lack of loayalty to anyone let alone the game that has made them rich, or you dont.
The league is more business then sport these days free agancy ruined it all.
Personally I hate all the spoiled pricks whether named Moss, Owens or any of the rest.
Therefore I only watch NCAA and drink myself into imgaining it is still pure! |
Dude, WTF is a "wrap sheet"?
also check your spelling on:
tollerate
loayalty
dont needs an '
then = than?
imgaining
That's a shitload of mistakes for one post. |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by keeneda9erfan
Randy Moss couldn't lick the sweat off of Jerry Rice's ballsack! |
And Jerry Rice couldn't catch 23 TDs in 19 seasons (18 of which were 16 games) playing w/ 2 HOF QBs. :p |
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| Petey Arms |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
:D |
i don't want him on the giants Brady on the other hand........ |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Rev10
IMO, Rice is being a tad cunty regarding this. Moss had a right to say what he did, to a certain extent coming off the 2 poor seasons in Oakland. It wasn't a big secret that the media and a lot of "experts" said he was 'done' before going to N.E. |
Wrong, he was an asshole to the media his whole career and he also said he plays when HE wants to play, get teh facts straight. Moss didn't do shit in Oakland because he didn't care |
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| nuge67 |
When Moss finishes with this, then talk
22895 yards receiving
197 TDs
and
645 rushing yards with 10 TDs
Why even fucking argue, christ... |
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| Petey Arms |
| i think once moss gets a ring he retires |
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| Rev10 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Wrong, he was an asshole to the media his whole career and he also said he plays when HE wants to play, get teh facts straight. Moss didn't do shit in Oakland because he didn't care |
Many players are assholes to the media..that argument is irrelevant here. shit, even coaches blow the media off and are pricks.
They guy is a game changer. He didn't do shit in Oakland because he had nothing to work with. No QB worth a damn, no pass protection to get down the field, no RB, no offense. And what two different head coaches??? get fuckin real. Nobody was doing anything on those Raider teams. And they're still not. |
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| Rev10 |
Quote: Originally posted by Petey Arms
i think once moss gets a ring he retires |
He is only 30. why do you say this??
Did you not see the year he had?
He could play with Brady for 4-5 more years. |
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| Petey Arms |
Quote: Originally posted by Rev10
He is only 30. why do you say this??
Did you not see the year he had?
He could play with Brady for 4-5 more years. |
i think he has the jim brown mentality go out on top |
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| Bpalm541 |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
Anyone would want him on their team
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Tell that to Raider fans |
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| DirtySanchez35 |
Quote: Originally posted by wvsarafan
Dude, WTF is a "wrap sheet"?
also check your spelling on:
tollerate
loayalty
dont needs an '
then = than?
imgaining
That's a shitload of mistakes for one post. |
Sorry did not no I was graded on grammer just venting
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Bpalm541
Tell that to Raider fans |
:lol: |
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| Kayotic1 |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
everytime rice is interviewed he throws in the "well i did it in 12 games" bullshit.
well , he had 18 years to do it in 16 games and well , couldnt. |
I completely agree. I saw Rice talking this 12 game bullshit and who cares. Not Moss' fault they went on strike that year. Moss also plays on a team where they spread the ball around alot. Both great players in my opinion. To me Rice is coming off like the dick here. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by studhub
Don't see what he said that bad and as much as I hate the Pats I've said it before I'll say it again, Moss is the most talented receiver ever, yes better than Rice. :yes: |
Not better than Rice. Perhaps if he wasn't such a head case and didn't waste the last few years of his career not trying so much then maybe he'd have a chance to touch some of Rice's greatness. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by The Terminator
Having seen all the Pats' games this season, it is a FACT that Randy Moss is very much liked and respected by his teammates in New England. Much like Corey Dillon, he left his personal issues out of the locker room, and the results have been spectacular.
No disrespect for Jerry Rice, but 1) Randy Moss has more natural ability than him, and 2) Rice stayed in the league about five years too long, when he played for the Seahawks and Broncos. Didn't know when to hang up the cleats, until the Broncos cut his ass. |
You can't take away from Rice's greatness because he played a few seasons too long. Moss got the single season TD mark but won't touch Rice's other records. Jerry Rice = still greatest WR in NFL history. I know all you bandwagon Pats homos want to rewrite history but you can forget about it. You should all be ashamed.
Let me remind you of some facts:
Most Pass Receptions, Career 1,549 Jerry Rice
Most Seasons, 50 or More Pass Receptions 17 Jerry Rice
Most Consecutive Games, Pass Receptions 274 Jerry Rice
Most Yards Gained, Career 22,895 Jerry Rice
Most Seasons, 1,000 or More Yards, Pass Receiving 14 Jerry Rice
Most Yards Gained, Season 1,848 Jerry Rice
Most Games, 100 or More Yards Pass Receiving, Career 76 Jerry Rice
Most Touchdowns, Career 197 Jerry Rice
Most Touchdowns, Season 22 Jerry Rice
Most Touchdowns, Game 5 Jerry Rice, Bob Shaw, Kellen Winslow
Most Consecutive Games, Touchdowns 13 Jerry Rice |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by Rev10
...and putting the off the field stuff aside, cause he hasn't had any in a long time. I would have to take Moss over Rice if I had to pick between the two.
Moss' speed, height, and ability to reach over DB's makes him one of the all time best at his position. |
Based on your posts I'll say you are probably too young to have seen Rice play in his prime and a Pats bandwagon homer with tunnel vision. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| I'm a Patriots fan, but Rice is the best WR ever and you can make an argument for best overall player ever. |
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| bonghitbobby |
| what he said is no big deal, however could you imagine how good he could be with rice's work ethic? and that he needed the media to motivate him is insane! he is a big time talent with no self motivation. he quit on the Vikes and the Raiders, now that he is on the Pats all of a sudden he is motivated again..... fuck him. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by bonghitbobby
what he said is no big deal, however could you imagine how good he could be with rice's work ethic? and that he needed the media to motivate him is insane! he is a big time talent with no self motivation. he quit on the Vikes and the Raiders, now that he is on the Pats all of a sudden he is motivated again..... fuck him. |
Exactly. One thing you can say about Jerry Rice is that the guy never let down and never quit. Moss may have more raw talent but he's squandered it. Perhaps Moss could've been the best ever but we'll never know because he only shows up when he feels like it. Anybody who says they'd take Moss with his questionable work ethic over Jerry Rice in his prime doesn't know what they're talking about. |
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| xtxguyx |
| Moss can't even carry Rices jock. he should keep his mouth shut. |
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| Matt Serra |
| I saw the interview in question and I don't think Moss was trying to disrespect Rice. Rather, he was trying to dis the press. God knows why since the press has been lauding him all season. Moss is a head case. |
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| dickiebird_rip |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
....I bet Pat fans will say Moss is way better then Rice ever was..... |
Wrong again douche. As good as Moss is, and as fun it is to see 81 leap over two defenders in the endzone, Rice is one of a kind. In the same club as Micheal Jordan and Tiger Woods as far as I'm concerned.
AND I AM A PATS FAN. |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Has nothing to do with Rice. He just said the media fueled him to play better. Rice is taking this the wrong way in my opinion. |
agreed, I was watching the press conference, and Moss was very clear, he said his breaking the record "shut you guys up" It was a dig at the press and how they've portrayed him. Lot's of Boston media were not on the Moss bandwagon when they signed him.
He never said a word about Rice. |
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| Marinolaw |
| Oh, and despite what the New Yorkers here may assume about what PATS fans will say, Jerry Rice is without question the greatest WR to ever play the game. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by dickiebird_rip
Wrong again douche. As good as Moss is, and as fun it is to see 81 leap over two defenders in the endzone, Rice is one of a kind. In the same club as Micheal Jordan and Tiger Woods as far as I'm concerned.
AND I AM A PATS FAN. |
Thank you. It's good to see at least one Pats fan who hasn't let their recent success completely cloud their judgment. And, as a Jerry Rice fan (and 49ers fan) for many years, and as somebody who has always wanted to see Randy Moss succeed in the NFL despite all his critics, I also say he wasn't trying to disrespect Rice with his comments. It just came out in a way that sounded like he was dissing Rice, but I don't believe that was his intention. |
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| lao tzu |
I CAN'T BELIEVE SOME OF YOU HOMOS ACTUALLY THINK MOSS IS IN THE SAME GALAXY LET ALONE THE SAME LEAGUE AS JERRY RICE....
NOT EVEN CLOSE.... |
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| Marinolaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Hugomarink
Thank you. It's good to see at least one Pats fan who hasn't let their recent success completely cloud their judgment. And, as a Jerry Rice fan (and 49ers fan) for many years, and as somebody who has always wanted to see Randy Moss succeed in the NFL despite all his critics, I also say he wasn't trying to disrespect Rice with his comments. It just came out in a way that sounded like he was dissing Rice, but I don't believe that was his intention. |
anyone who saw it live, and has a brain, knows it was a straight out dig at the media. |
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| Blue Virus |
| Jerry Rice in his prime, running a slant pattern, I'll take that over anybody who has ever played. I'm a HUGE Pats fan but, Randy Moss is and idiot. |
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| grim |
| i cant wait til welker starts getting more passes than moss and moss starts crying and starts running his routes half ass and all the pats fans start calling him a bum. its bound to happen |
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| dickiebird_rip |
Quote: Originally posted by grim
i cant wait til welker starts getting more passes than moss and moss starts crying and starts running his routes half ass and all the pats fans start calling him a bum. its bound to happen |
That's just not going to happen. And if it does, it will be because Moss gets special multi-defender coverage, which opens Welker, Faulk or Watson up underneath. Which means marching down the field. That means scoring. That means winning. And as long as Moss is on a team that puts in a winning effort, you won't see any issues.
I'll add to that, I beleive, if he did become a pain in the ass, the Pats would simply cut him. |
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| dickiebird_rip |
| p.s. the Raiders are a cluster fuck. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by dickiebird_rip
That's just not going to happen. And if it does, it will be because Moss gets special multi-defender coverage, which opens Welker, Faulk or Watson up underneath. Which means marching down the field. That means scoring. That means winning. And as long as Moss is on a team that puts in a winning effort, you won't see any issues.
I'll add to that, I beleive, if he did become a pain in the ass, the Pats would simply cut him. |
At some point, the Pats will begin their decline. It always happens with successful franchises. Valued assistant coaches will be hired as head coaches elsewhere, some key players will leave via free agency, key players will age, injuries will occur, etc. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to maintain such a high level of success in the NFL as proven by the fact that no dynasty has ever been able to maintain itself forever. The Pats decline may not happen for several years or it could begin within weeks if, by chance, something nutty happens and they actually don't win the Super Bowl this year. It will be interesting to see how Moss handles adversity in New England when it happens. As of now he hasn't even experienced a loss on this team so he's been a model student. Hopefully he's reached a level of maturity that will enable him to maintain his focus and not become a negative force or a distraction should things not go his way for a period of time. This has always been his problem in the past. |
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| dickiebird_rip |
Do you mean like a #2 draft pick dies of a cocaine overdose, then another top draft choice player drops dead on the gym floor sending your franchise into a death spiral that they can't seem to get out of for the next 20 years?
Impossible. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by dickiebird_rip
Do you mean like a #2 draft pick dies of a cocaine overdose, then another top draft choice player drops dead on the gym floor sending your franchise into a death spiral that they can't seem to get out of for the next 20 years?
Impossible. |
Anything can happen. |
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| dickiebird_rip |
| Meet Len Bias. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by dickiebird_rip
Meet Len Bias. |
That was very sad. :( |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by grim
i cant wait til welker starts getting more passes than moss and moss starts crying and starts running his routes half ass and all the pats fans start calling him a bum. its bound to happen |
:rolleyes: |
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| yambag |
| Just heard Rice was mad that Moss did not go on his radio show.Moss doesn't talk to the media . |
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| Rev10 |
Quote: Originally posted by grim
i cant wait til welker starts getting more passes than moss and moss starts crying and starts running his routes half ass and all the pats fans start calling him a bum. its bound to happen |
Welker just got done leading the league in catches, and Moss still had 20+ TD's. SO it seems to me that Welker is already getting more passes.
You're a fucking idiot. Do some research next time. |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
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thats awesome
especially since i'm a big kiss fan. |
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| Ultra Warrior |
Quote: Originally posted by mobsmith
Moss haters can go eat another :dick:, Moss > Rice |
Moss currently has ZERO rings. Til he wins ONE, he's not even CLOSE to being considered BETTER than Rice. Dullard. :rolleyes: |
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| evilbob |
| Welker caught 112 and Moss caught 98. Moss wasn't crying about not getting the ball. I think his comments about the record were part Patriotspeak (individual achievements mean nothing compared to team accomplishments) and partly a shot at the media. Nobody really wanted him at the end of last season, his own fault for being a dick through his career. However, he has been a model player since his arrival here. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
Moss currently has ZERO rings. Til he wins ONE, he's not even CLOSE to being considered BETTER than Rice. Dullard. :rolleyes: |
That is a stupid argument. Rice played on some of the best teams ever..and won rings because of it and his play. Randy only played on one really good team (1998 Vikings that lost the the Falcons.) |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
That is a stupid argument. Rice played on some of the best teams ever..and won rings because of it and his play. Randy only played on one really good team (1998 Vikings that lost the the Falcons.) |
It's not a stupid argument. A player's overall greatness is determined by their performance in the big games. This is yet another reason for Rice's designation as the greatest ever -- because he delivered in the big games when it really counted. You can't detract from Moss's greatness because he hasn't had postseason opportunities yet but it is another area where he will need to prove himself in order to be compared fully with Rice. Maybe that process begins this year. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Hugomarink
It's not a stupid argument. A player's overall greatness is determined by their performance in the big games. This is yet another reason for Rice's designation as the greatest ever -- because he delivered in the big games when it really counted. You can't detract from Moss's greatness because he hasn't had postseason opportunities yet but it is another area where he will need to prove himself in order to be compared fully with Rice. Maybe that process begins this year. |
Yes player's careers are judged on what they do on the big stage, to a certain extent, but in Randy's defense he hasn't had many big games to play in, or great teams around him like Jerry did.
Jerry is the best, no question. But that guy is judging Moss vs. Rice it seems just on rings...and as we know, you just can't use that as the sole measuring factor.
See-Dan Marino |
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| evilbob |
Quote: Originally posted by Hugomarink
It's not a stupid argument. A player's overall greatness is determined by their performance in the big games. This is yet another reason for Rice's designation as the greatest ever -- because he delivered in the big games when it really counted. You can't detract from Moss's greatness because he hasn't had postseason opportunities yet but it is another area where he will need to prove himself in order to be compared fully with Rice. Maybe that process begins this year. |
Are you saying that Dan Marino wasn't a great player? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
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:lol: that's fucking gay!! |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
:lol: that's fucking gay!! |
haha shut-up..you lol'd |
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| BubbaMark101 |
Quote: Originally posted by rolltide
Randy Moss thinks he's the Plato of our generation. Too bad he's a cancer in the locker room, and will not make it into the HOF. |
Hahaha, yeah right. |
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| LennyD23 |
randy moss is a cocksucker, bottom line.
WANTED: SUPERSTAR CRYBABIES WHO CANT MAKE IT ON THEIR OWN FOR CHEAP
^ boston modo |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
haha shut-up..you lol'd |
yea i did ;) |
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| LennyD23 |
| junior seau is another, what a prick. i'm tired of seeing these three sitting there addressing espn like some cult, sitting in stadium seating... who the fuck cares what they have to say? if they're so tired of doing these interviews, then stop agreeing to them. |
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| LennyD23 |
| and jerry needs to stop acting like a bitch, he's just mad b/c moss is gonna win dancing with the stars one day too. |
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| BubbaMark101 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
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:lol: Beet's a Va Tech fan?
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by BubbaMark101
:lol: Beet's a Va Tech fan?
:D |
he's actually a wvu mountaineer fan. there's a youtube of him drinking and wearing a yellow wvu shirt. |
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| thoroldjames |
Seau pisses me off at this point
watch him, he jumps on top of the pile after a tackle has already been made then acts like he was the one who took the dude down
I guarantee he'll do this at least 3 times a game |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
randy moss is a cocksucker, bottom line.
WANTED: SUPERSTAR CRYBABIES WHO CANT MAKE IT ON THEIR OWN FOR CHEAP
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Keywords: SUPERSTAR and FOR CHEAP |
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| BubbaMark101 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
he's actually a wvu mountaineer fan. there's a youtube of him drinking and wearing a yellow wvu shirt. |
Beet's hardcore |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Yes player's careers are judged on what they do on the big stage, to a certain extent, but in Randy's defense he hasn't had many big games to play in, or great teams around him like Jerry did.
Jerry is the best, no question. But that guy is judging Moss vs. Rice it seems just on rings...and as we know, you just can't use that as the sole measuring factor.
See-Dan Marino |
I think most people would take Montana over Dan Marino despite Marino's superior stats BECAUSE Montana was so clutch in the postseason. It's what formulated his legend. Tough break for Marino that he never got a ring but it is what it is. John Elway is now considered a much greater QB because he won those two rings at the very end of his career. His legend would not be close to what it is had he not accomplished that.
It always goes back to the argument: What came first, the great player or the great team? You can't knock Rice because he played on great teams, but part of the reason they were great is because he was on them! |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by evilbob
Are you saying that Dan Marino wasn't a great player? |
He'd be considered far greater had he at least some postseason success. |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by Hugomarink
You can't knock Rice because he played on great teams, but part of the reason they were great is because he was on them! |
I'm trying to think( a tough one for me :D )
has any other team had one HOF QB leave to only have another HOF QB come in right away?
maybe Montana and Young are what they are because of Rice as much as anything else?
you can't say that about Moss(who is as good as anyone else other than Rice) |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Keywords: SUPERSTAR and FOR CHEAP |
you saved that scumbag's career. why is cheap something to be proud of? it's not. maybe he'll pretend shit on the field again? or run over a traffic cop? tick tock tick tock
you can't teach class. this is phony shit, and he'll disgrace the fuck outta you guys one day, and you'll just dismiss him and say he had nothing to do with this season... that's a fact. |
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| BubbaMark101 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
you saved that scumbag's career. why is cheap something to be proud of? it's not. maybe he'll pretend shit on the field again? or run over a traffic cop? tick tock tick tock
you can't teach class. this is phony shit, and he'll disgrace the fuck outta you guys one day, and you'll just dismiss him and say he had nothing to do with this season... that's a fact. |
If you were a coach, who would you rather have?
Randy Moss
Terrel Owens
BubbaMark101 |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
you saved that scumbag's career. why is cheap something to be proud of? it's not. maybe he'll pretend shit on the field again? or run over a traffic cop? tick tock tick tock
you can't teach class. this is phony shit, and he'll disgrace the fuck outta you guys one day, and you'll just dismiss him and say he had nothing to do with this season... that's a fact. |
cheap is good because because of the NFL salary cap. Yeah most of what these guys make is not guaranteed, but the teams still take the cap hit. You may not be able to teach class, but you can get someone to read from the same book as you for awhile. And will that be for 1 year, 2 years, 3 years?? don't know that, but it only cost the pats a 4th round pick and nominal money this year.
He very well could act up and show his ass somewhere down the road. Then Belichick cuts him and moves on. But Moss has invested 10 years into this league..at some point you'd think the childish behavior is over with. |
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| Hugomarink |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
you saved that scumbag's career. why is cheap something to be proud of? it's not. maybe he'll pretend shit on the field again? or run over a traffic cop? tick tock tick tock
you can't teach class. this is phony shit, and he'll disgrace the fuck outta you guys one day, and you'll just dismiss him and say he had nothing to do with this season... that's a fact. |
It'll be very telling if (when?) the Pats win the Super Bowl this year and then Moss wants a new contract. Or did they just sign him to a 1-year deal? If so, will they be willing to make him the highest paid receiver in the NFL? |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Hugomarink
I think most people would take Montana over Dan Marino despite Marino's superior stats BECAUSE Montana was so clutch in the postseason. It's what formulated his legend. Tough break for Marino that he never got a ring but it is what it is. John Elway is now considered a much greater QB because he won those two rings at the very end of his career. His legend would not be close to what it is had he not accomplished that.
It always goes back to the argument: What came first, the great player or the great team? You can't knock Rice because he played on great teams, but part of the reason they were great is because he was on them! |
You are absolutely right in your points about Montana, Elway, and Marino. Nobody talks about Elway's SB failures because he finished by winning two. That's how QB's are judged, because they essentially are out there leading the offense, and control so much of what happens on the field.
But is is far to compare rec. based on SB rings? I'm not sure. As a rec. the # of balls you get is sometimes based on who else is on offense...who is playing opposite WR. The QB play, quality of the RB and their ability to open things up down field.
I am not discounting anything Jerry did. He defined the position and busted his ass for a long time.
It is easy to hate Moss, but the guy can kill teams and defenses playing with a good QB. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Hugomarink
It'll be very telling if (when?) the Pats win the Super Bowl this year and then Moss wants a new contract. Or did they just sign him to a 1-year deal? If so, will they be willing to make him the highest paid receiver in the NFL? |
He is on a 1 year cheap deal. The Pats have A. Samuel coming up on a new contract having played this year on the franchise tag. It'll be interesting to see where the money goes. I don't see Moss getting a blockbuster deal.
I'd say a very fair 3 year deal is doable. If he is serious about playing on a solid team, then maybe he'll resign. |
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