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Will there be a better 1-2 punch in baseball than Felix Hernandez and Erik Bedard?
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| Will there be a better 1-2 punch in baseball than Felix Hernandez and Erik Bedard?
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| this tonite |
| Finally the M's front office has done something half-way exciting. It sure as hell took long enough. |
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| Jay Z |
| it could be dominating |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
It definately has potential.
AL should be very intresting! |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| I feel sorry for Orioles fans. One of the best young pitchers in baseball and they want to trade him. It doesn't make any sense. |
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| this tonite |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
I feel sorry for Orioles fans. One of the best young pitchers in baseball and they want to trade him. It doesn't make any sense. |
Well Bedard will be 29 this season, so he's not that young. |
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| timdawg6 |
| Are you serious how about Hamels and Mr. Brett |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by this tonite
Well Bedard will be 29 this season, so he's not that young. |
Still young for a pitcher and he is in his prime years. Adam Jones and the players the Orioles are suppose to get are good, but you can't out hit the Red Sox and Yankees. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Still young for a pitcher and he is in his prime years. Adam Jones and the players the Orioles are suppose to get are good, but you can't out hit the Red Sox and Yankees. |
hitting won win in October anyway...ask the Yankees!
Seattle will now be up there with Arizona and Boston for some of the best arms in the league! |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Seattle has a great bullpen too, but I heard it's not a done deal yet.
Getting tired of the Phillies not doing shit and I'm sure you feel the same way about the Mets. Lidge and Jenkins isn't going to get you past the first round. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I have heard its not a done deal also.
I believe they are waiting on Angelos to sign off on it, who knows if that ever happens!! |
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| Pocc |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
hitting won win in October anyway...ask the Yankees!
Seattle will now be up there with Arizona and Boston for some of the best arms in the league! |
If it goes through they'll have the arms but you still need the batters to get through the season to get to Oct. which they dont really have. I would still bet on Aneheim in the west before Seattle. |
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| elricsi |
Pitching does not win championships, balance wins championships.
But the rest of their starters are not impressive, and their lineup is not too good either.
They would need to do a lot more than this. |
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| Mynd4life |
| I'll take Joba And Hughes over those 2 jabronis |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Thats why you will be watching the World Series on tv with the rest of us :D |
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| Syxxpac78 |
| I'll still take Beckett, Dice-K....better lineup behind them, and if they get Santana it's not even a question anymore.....Felix is still too hot/cold |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| If the Red Sox ever got Johan, they would have one of the best rotations in the last 25+ years! |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by Syxxpac78
I'll still take Beckett, Dice-K....better lineup behind them, and if they get Santana it's not even a question anymore.....Felix is still too hot/cold |
Stop dreaming. Not going to happen. Why sell the farm when they're already good enough to win the Series?
The Mariners will need greater pitching depth than just 1-2 if they want to compete. Not e very balanced team. But Bedard would help. WOuld love to see him on the Sox, but Angelos would never sign off on sending him to an AL East rival.
Speaking of the AL East... ought to be a cakewalk for the Sox this year. Two bad teams. A "rebuilding" Yankees team. Could be looking at 110 wins. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
Stop dreaming. Not going to happen. Why sell the farm when they're already good enough to win the Series?
The Mariners will need greater pitching depth than just 1-2 if they want to compete. Not e very balanced team. But Bedard would help. WOuld love to see him on the Sox, but Angelos would never sign off on sending him to an AL East rival.
Speaking of the AL East... ought to be a cakewalk for the Sox this year. Two bad teams. A "rebuilding" Yankees team. Could be looking at 110 wins. |
The Red Sox are better, but why should it be a "cakewalk"... they were up a million games and had two more wins than the Yankees in the end. That statement doesn't make much sense to me.
And the Orioles are trading Bedard because there is no way they will resign him... so, move on. Something the Twins should have done months ago.
Santana will be a Met as soon as the Twins drop Reyes out of their demands. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Santana will be a Met as soon as the Twins drop Reyes out of their demands. |
:lol:
Stop listening to Mike Francessa like he is god. He is the only person saying this bullshit.
For some reason, if this was true I think the Minnesota sports writers would be saying the same thing. Do you really think Omar Minaya tells his secrets to the fat horse fucker?
Francessa is full of shit and just wants to make it look like he has an "inside" source. IMHO he is full of shit in this situation |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
The Red Sox are better, but why should it be a "cakewalk"... they were up a million games and had two more wins than the Yankees in the end. That statement doesn't make much sense to me.
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Do I really have to do the math for you? Christ. The Orioles will be worse. Tampa is... well, still Tampa. Toronto has perpetually injured arms in their rotation and a new cancer in the locker room (Rolen). The Yankees still have no ace and will be relying on inexperienced youngsters on their pitching staff, making it a quasi-rebuilding year, much like the Sox in 2006.
Cakewalk |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
Do I really have to do the math for you? Christ. The Orioles will be worse. Tampa is... well, still Tampa. Toronto has perpetually injured arms in their rotation and a new cancer in the locker room (Rolen). The Yankees still have no ace and will be relying on inexperienced youngsters on their pitching staff, making it a quasi-rebuilding year, much like the Sox in 2006.
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Makes no sense, they both have virtually the same teams but the Yankees have the benefit of having their better young pitchers playing instead of the chase wrights of the world... They relyed on the same youngsters and rallied from an awful first half to be tied for the second best record in MLB.
And KOAW... if the guy says he talked to Minaya, why shouldn't we believe him. I don't think Omar would take kindly to him saying it if it weren't true. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
And KOAW... if the guy says he talked to Minaya, why shouldn't we believe him. I don't think Omar would take kindly to him saying it if it weren't true. |
Do you think Omar would take kindly to him broadcasting what they say off the record?
Omar knows if he comes out and say it is not true, he ends up looking like an asshole. You can not win when you fight with 2 guys who are on radio and TV for 5 hrs a day.
However, I find it very hard to believe that every other person is not saying Reyes is involved. I would think one person in Minnesota or NY would be saying the same thing. In fact, EVERY person is saying it pretty much comes down to F. Martinez. Even guys like Heyman and Olney who are much more reliable sources.
This would not be the first time Francessa said shit just to make him look like he has inside info. Then has been dead wrong! |
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| this tonite |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
Stop dreaming. Not going to happen. Why sell the farm when they're already good enough to win the Series?
The Mariners will need greater pitching depth than just 1-2 if they want to compete. Not e very balanced team. But Bedard would help. WOuld love to see him on the Sox, but Angelos would never sign off on sending him to an AL East rival.
Speaking of the AL East... ought to be a cakewalk for the Sox this year. Two bad teams. A "rebuilding" Yankees team. Could be looking at 110 wins. |
Washburn, Batista and Silva are a capable 3,4 and 5. It's not like the M's still have Jeff Weaver in the rotation. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
They are more then capable 3,4 and 5's.
Along with a very good bullpen |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Do you think Omar would take kindly to him broadcasting what they say off the record?
Omar knows if he comes out and say it is not true, he ends up looking like an asshole. You can not win when you fight with 2 guys who are on radio and TV for 5 hrs a day.
However, I find it very hard to believe that every other person is not saying Reyes is involved. I would think one person in Minnesota or NY would be saying the same thing. In fact, EVERY person is saying it pretty much comes down to F. Martinez. Even guys like Heyman and Olney who are much more reliable sources.
This would not be the first time Francessa said shit just to make him look like he has inside info. Then has been dead wrong! |
that's all fair, i just don't see why the guy would make it up...
and even still, i think johan is a met before the end of next month |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
that's all fair, i just don't see why the guy would make it up...
and even still, i think johan is a met before the end of next month |
Why would he make it up? So it looks like he has some power and knows people in authoirty.
The same reason why he said a few weeks ago that Brandon Jacobs was out of the game on like Tue or Wed. He said he heard from a "birdie" that Jacobs was out. Well what happened come Sunday? Jacobs started..and the fat horse fucker never mentioned anything on Mon or Tue(at least that I heard).
He is a POS |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Makes no sense, they both have virtually the same teams but the Yankees have the benefit of having their better young pitchers playing instead of the chase wrights of the world... They relyed on the same youngsters and rallied from an awful first half to be tied for the second best record in MLB.
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You are assuming the youngsters are going to produce. Fact is, you don't know. Chamberlain going to the rotation. Maybe. He's a horse, sure. But I'm not sure his stuff is so great that he can get away with starting. He might be better off setting up for Mariano for another year, grooming him for the closer spot in 2009. Kennedy and hughes are unknown entities. As for their bullpen, tell me why I should be impressed. And Mussina in still there.
Hey, maybe they'll play up to their potential, but realistically, I can't see how they get within 10 games of the Sox. |
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| Kayotic1 |
How about:
Brandon Webb, Dan Haren (AZ)
Jake Peavy, Chris Young (SD)
Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano (MIN)
Bedard and Hernandez are good, but I am not handing them the crown. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
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And KOAW... if the guy says he talked to Minaya, why shouldn't we believe him. I don't think Omar would take kindly to him saying it if it weren't true. |
Looks like the fat horse fucker was wrong again.
Think he likes having that egg all over his face?
Think he will admit or just move on like he never talked about Reyes being the sticking point? I am guessing it will be the later! |
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| Out of LF |
If Santana is traded, he is going to the Mets.
Solid 1-2 starters are great to have, but these days you need a solid 5 or 6 man rotation. No one can touch a 6 man rotation of Beckett, Matsuzaka, Bucholz, Lester, Schilling, and Wakefield. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Looks like the fat horse fucker was wrong again.
Think he likes having that egg all over his face?
Think he will admit or just move on like he never talked about Reyes being the sticking point? I am guessing it will be the later! |
Wait a minute, all he said is that Minaya told him they were still asking for Reyes... so it's possible they moved off Reyes today... I don't see what the arguement here is. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
:lol:
I know you must be kidding. This deal has been reported for weeks, without Reyes.
This was not a "surprise" to anybody. What he was saying was the "surprise"! |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
You are assuming the youngsters are going to produce. Fact is, you don't know. Chamberlain going to the rotation. Maybe. He's a horse, sure. But I'm not sure his stuff is so great that he can get away with starting. He might be better off setting up for Mariano for another year, grooming him for the closer spot in 2009. Kennedy and hughes are unknown entities. As for their bullpen, tell me why I should be impressed. And Mussina in still there.
Hey, maybe they'll play up to their potential, but realistically, I can't see how they get within 10 games of the Sox. |
I love how everyone questions the young pitchers but can't seem to put this into perspective...
The Yankees got so far behind early in the season because they had AA and AAA nobody's starting games on the mound. Once they got the better young pitchers up it solidified their staff.
I'm not saying Hughes and Chamberlain are great, but they are certainly better than what the Yankees had out their to begin the year and if they only play as well as they did last year, that will be enough. And Chamberlain, in my opinion, will end up in the 8th inning role when it's all said and done. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
I know you must be kidding. This deal has been reported for weeks, without Reyes.
This was not a "surprise" to anybody. What he was saying was the "surprise"! |
I never heard of a surprise. I'm surprised the Twins didn't get the Mets best prospect, they truly botched the Santana race throughly. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
I never heard of a surprise. I'm surprised the Twins didn't get the Mets best prospect, they truly botched the Santana race throughly. |
They definately did botch it. But I am watching the Mets Hot Stove Show that I recorded from yesterday and hearing all of the talk about Johan from yesterday. They even said how the original deal involved Reyes but they had moved so far past Reyes. They were saying Reyes was off the table since before the winter meetings. They were comparing that to when supposidly Hughes and Cabrera were in a "package". They said they do not think any of those were legitimate names/packages.
Francessa made up a dumb rumor that can never technically be proved wrong, but had absolutely zero merit. No person in Minnesota or NY or anybody who followed the hot stove nationally was saying the Twins were still on Reyes. This is why I hate that horse fucking fat ass!! |
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