Everybody loves a rumor, bit the NFL has said they've heard the stories and there's no evidence.......dismissed
So the haters need to slow their roll a little and maybe, just maybe let a little more information come out before starting multiple threads about a rumor. Enjoy the game! :hw:
Evilbob, don't let the facts get in the way of all the crybabies' arguments. All those haters who are jealous of the Legendary New England Patriots need something to whine about. :D
evilbob
They seem to like to paraphrase the guy on Mythbusters - I refuse to accept reality and substitute my own views instead. :D
Marinolaw
Bobby Orr was an android
Marinolaw
Adam Vinatieri actually kicked a rocket propelled fotball
Marinolaw
Larry Bird was really black and had an extra bone in his ankle
Marinolaw
Ted Williams head was shot up with HGH
Marinolaw
Bill Russell was an illegal alien
nuge67
WASHINGTON -- With the Super Bowl fast approaching, a senior Republican senator says he wants the NFL to explain why it destroyed evidence from the New England Patriots cheating scandal.
"I am very concerned about the underlying facts on the taping, the reasons for the judgment on the limited penalties and, most of all, on the inexplicable destruction of the tapes," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., wrote Thursday in a letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
The story was first reported by The New York Times.
Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the matter could put the league's antitrust exemption at risk. In a telephone interview with the Times on Thursday, he said the committee at some point will call Goodell to address the antitrust exemption as well as the destruction of the tapes.
"Their antitrust exemption has been on my mind for a long time," he said in a Capitol Hill news conference Friday.
Goodell, in his previously scheduled news conference Friday in Phoenix, said, "I am more than willing to speak with the senator. There are very good explanations why the tapes were destroyed by our staff -- there was no purpose for them."
The letters
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) sent two letters to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell requesting information about the "Spygate" incident. The commissioner replied on Jan. 31. Read the letters:
There were six tapes, according to Goodell -- some from the 2007 preseason, and the rest from 2006. He also said they were destroyed in order to prevent leaks to the media, as one tape was leaked to the media just after the Patriots-New York Jets game in September 2007, when NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots video assistant during New England's 38-14 victory over New York at Giants Stadium.
"We wanted to take and destroy that information," Goodell said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."
The matter might not compare to the CIA's destruction of interrogation tapes, Specter said Friday, but he added, "I do believe that it is a matter of importance. It's not going to displace the stimulus package or the Iraq war, but I think the integrity of football is very important, and I think the National Football League has a special duty to the American people -- and further the Congress -- because they have an antitrust exemption."
"It's a league matter," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said Friday during his news conference. "I don't know anything about it."
ESPN.com senior writer Mike Fish talks with ESPNews anchor Fred Hickman with insight on Matt Walsh and his potential role in the Patriots spy situation. Fish
Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant who now is a golf pro at the Ka'anapli Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, has suggested to ESPN that he has information that could have exposed the Patriots prior to the situation at the Jets game, which ended with record fines.
"If I had a reason to want to go public or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke," he told ESPN.com's Mike Fish. "I could have said everything rather than having [Jets coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out."
Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1996 until the winter of 2002-03, when he was fired, also has suggested to ESPN that he has information that could be embarrassing for the NFL and the Patriots. He has not been contacted by the league.
"If they're doing a thorough investigation … they didn't contact me, so draw your own conclusions," Walsh told Fish.
Walsh said he hasn't made a decision on whether he will talk to Congress if asked, although he is considering it. He also was quoted in the Times' story Friday.
The Patriots play Sunday in the Super Bowl against the New York Giants.
The controversy started when a Patriots video assistant was accused of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
After the league investigation, Goodell fined Belichick $500,000, the maximum amount, and docked the team $250,000 and a first-round draft pick. It was the biggest fine for a coach and the first time in NFL history a first-round draft pick was confiscated as a penalty.
I do believe that it is a matter of importance. It's not going to displace the stimulus package or the Iraq war, but I think the integrity of football is very important, and I think the National Football League has a special duty to the American people -- and further the Congress -- because they have an antitrust exemption.
--Sen. Arlen Specter
After its investigation, the NFL said it destroyed all materials, including the six tapes it received from the Patriots.
Goodell said the tapes showed coaches making signals and showed indications of down and distances. According to the commissioner, one of the tapes showed an opposing coach waving to the cameraman as if he knew he was being taped.
"I think it probably had a limited effect -- if any -- on the outcome of any game," Goodell said.
He added: "I don't think it taints their accomplishments. I think the action that we took was decisive, and it was unprecedented and it sent a loud message not only to the Patriots but to every NFL team that you should follow the rules and you better follow the rules.
"I think what they did this season was certainly done within the rules and on a level playing field. And I think their record is extraordinary. We know it's never been done before at 18-0, and I think they should be congratulated on that."
In a Jan. 31 letter to Specter, which the senator released Friday, Goodell said the tapes and notes on the investigation were destroyed to ensure that the Patriots "would not secure any possible competitive advantage as a result of the misconduct."
Specter said the explanation "absolutely makes no sense at all" and blasted the commissioner for failing to respond to his inquiries into the matter for more than two months. His initial letter to the league was dated Nov. 15, 2007; the follow-up letter was dated Dec. 19. Goodell said in his letter to Specter that he just became aware of Specter's questions Thursday.
"There's a credibility issue here," Specter said.
Specter, a lifelong Philadelphia Eagles fan who still calls sports radio stations on Monday mornings, said he was concerned about the integrity of the sport.
"I don't think you have to have a law broken to have a legitimate interest by the Congress on the integrity of the game. … What if there was something on the tapes we might want to be subpoenaed, for example? You can't destroy it. That would be obstruction of justice," Specter said to The Times.
There is no timetable for when the committee would call upon Goodell.
The possibility exists that Patriots employees or other NFL personnel would have to testify before the committee.
"It's premature to say whom we're going to call or when," Specter said. "It starts with the commissioner. He had the tapes, and he made the decision as to what the punishment could be. He made the decision to destroy them."
Specter stopped short of alleging a cover-up, but he warned that the judiciary panel might want to probe the matter.
In the meantime, Specter said he might miss Sunday's game.
"I may play squash while it's on," Specter said.
evilbob
A 78 year old lifelong Eagles fan who holds an office in congress wants to use taxpayer money during wartime to investigate the way the league handled it's own business regarding the team that beat his favorite team in the Super Bowl. He wants to investigate and says that there doesn't need to be anything illegal for him to get involved........The guy has been in office too long and is trying to use all of our money to get back at a team he doesn't like. That's some real credibility there. If the government is actually stupid enough to waste time and money on this, remember, his technicality is that he's investigating the way the league does business as opposed to the Patriots organization. He's just trying to rub a little proxy mud on them.
evilbob
Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw Bobby Orr was an android
I'll agree with the idea that he was no mere mortal. :p
Omnipotent_1
The funniest thing is that Spector, as well as a complicit media, seems to be under the erroneous impression that this will be a distraction. They haven't been paying much attention this year. Maybe the Senator would like to take some credit when the Pats go back into "Cheating? Suck on this" mode and annihilate New York to prove the point once and for all.
And then maybe Mr. Spector can get back to important governmental matters... like the MLB steroid scandal.
:jerkit:
meta4ikl
...or another "magic bullet" theory.
nuge67
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1 The funniest thing is that Spector, as well as a complicit media, seems to be under the erroneous impression that this will be a distraction. They haven't been paying much attention this year. Maybe the Senator would like to take some credit when the Pats go back into "Cheating? Suck on this" mode and annihilate New York to prove the point once and for all.
And then maybe Mr. Spector can get back to important governmental matters... like the MLB steroid scandal.
:jerkit:
NOT, he is going for the throat, we are talking fines, suspensions and possible jail time.
DestroVega
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67 NOT, he is going for the throat, we are talking fines, suspensions and possible jail time.
:rolleyes: While I think the Pats did the wrong thing and cheated somewhat to get an edge, I still think they need to be great to win all these games they have in the last 7 years.
nuge67
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega :rolleyes: While I think the Pats did the wrong thing and cheated somewhat to get an edge, I still think they need to be great to win all these games they have in the last 7 years.
NOT SO, it sure as hell helps to know the other teams plays and what they worked on all week.
Omnipotent_1
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67 NOT, he is going for the throat, we are talking fines, suspensions and possible jail time.
No, you are talk fines, suspensions and possible jail time. You and all of the other very bitter so-called football fans. Must really suck to be a New York fan these days. Clemens, Pettite, The Knicks, The Jets.
It's ok. I understand you douchebags just need to vent your frustrations. It'll be all over about 10:00 tonight. Then you can start worrying about that shitty Yankees bullpen.
nuge67
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1 No, you are talk fines, suspensions and possible jail time. You and all of the other very bitter so-called football fans. Must really suck to be a New York fan these days. Clemens, Pettite, The Knicks, The Jets.
It's ok. I understand you douchebags just need to vent your frustrations. It'll be all over about 10:00 tonight. Then you can start worrying about that shitty Yankees bullpen.
No, I am hoping it's over the first few series. Like I said all along, the Giants have to hurt Brady, evn if it's a late hit, take the 15 yards and get this prick out of the game.
Valve
Hey Douche67*, are you leaving your buttplug in for the whole game or will you take it out at halftime?
nuge67
Quote: Originally posted by Valve Hey Douche67*, are you leaving your buttplug in for the whole game or will you take it out at halftime?
Why, does it make your poosie wet?
yambag
nuge67
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
Na, I would'nt want you to CHEAT on you girlfriend HC, who was married, just like you, with kids as well when you had teh affair with her. Plus, she is prettier then I, take a look:
nuge67
Report: Belichick could be suspended a year (post #1)
ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that if ex-Patriots employee Matt Walsh is in possession of the Rams' walkthrough video from Super Bowl XXXVI, coach Bill Belichick will be suspended for one season.
Apparently commissioner Roger Goodell informed Belichick, upon fining him $500,000 and stripping the Patriots of a first-round pick, that a second strike would cost him an entire year. That means Belichick's last game before 2009 could be Super Bowl XLII. Interestingly, the Giants held their walkthrough Saturday, as regularly scheduled. The Patriots did not hold a walkthrough.
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