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| Petey Arms |
The Miami Heat have told Shaquille O'Neal and his representation that they should be prepared for him to be traded in the near future.
Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports that Phoenix has discussed sending forward Shawn Marion and point guard Marcus Banks to the Heat in return for O'Neal. Shaq's representatives said they have been made aware that discussions with Phoenix are serious and ongoing, but that a deal was not definite. Marion can opt out of his contract worth $17.1 million at the end of the season. And if he opts out, the Heat would then have substantial salary cap space this offseason, when potential free agents include Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Marion, Antawn Jamison, Ron Artest and Corey Maggette. Stay tuned.
Source: Miami Herald
Related: Shawn Marion, Marcus Banks |
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| ASU Sun Devil |
| Rumors have been swirling in PHX today about this, but Marion is rumored in trades EVERY year. This would've been a good trade for the Suns 6 years ago, not so sure about it now. |
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| fatroider4 |
| So if Marion can opt out of his deal then its possible they could be trading Shaq for nothing. Shaq is a shell of what he used to be but they can do better then just freeing up cap space a la the Grizzlies |
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| RLM6370 |
| As a Heat fan, make the deal. 20 million of the payroll and a quality player in return. |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by fatroider4
So if Marion can opt out of his deal then its possible they could be trading Shaq for nothing. Shaq is a shell of what he used to be but they can do better then just freeing up cap space a la the Grizzlies |
Wrong trading Shaq for nothing is the best option. Cap space is way better then some marginal players, if they dont do this deal they may lose Wade very soon. |
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| Maximus06 |
| terrible trade for Phoenix if it goes through...how would Shaq fit in with Phoenix's running offense? Are they going to change their philosophy for an aging, overweight player who doesn't even have his mind on the game? |
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| Saul Hudson |
| Why on earth would Phoenix make this deal in a million years? I'm sure Miami would do this in a heartbeat. |
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| Bobby Booey |
| Phoenix needs someone to match up with Duncan who kills them every year in the playoffs and Marion is no super stud so pull the trigger on this one. |
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| scorefix |
| I will be pissed if this happens. Very pissed |
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| timdawg6 |
| Here is the deal there is 1% chance Marion re-signs with the Suns at the end of the year, do you let him walk and get nothing or take a chance on Shaq. Im sure they are over the cap which means they cant sign anybody, I think, they can only trade to go over the cap |
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| DestroVega |
| Yeah, Suns have been trying to bounce Marion for 5 years... they can get a big center, even if he is hurt a lot, for a guy ready to leave... and the Heat can bascially cut him without cutting him... I guess it makes sense. |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Yeah, Suns have been trying to bounce Marion for 5 years... they can get a big center, even if he is hurt a lot, for a guy ready to leave... and the Heat can bascially cut him without cutting him... I guess it makes sense. |
WE HAVE A WINNER, finally somebody that knows basketball, side note though, Banks makes a lot of money for a shitty backup pg |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
WE HAVE A WINNER, finally somebody that knows basketball, side note though, Banks makes a lot of money for a shitty backup pg |
thanks, i undrstand the workings of contracts involved in trades that even die-hard NBA fans don't comprehend.. I have a friend I argue with all the time and he just doesn't grasp the contract aspect in trades. |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
thanks, i undrstand the workings of contracts involved in trades that even die-hard NBA fans don't comprehend.. I have a friend I argue with all the time and he just doesn't grasp the contract aspect in trades. |
Me too, smart guy die hard sixer fan but didnt understand the Korver trade |
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| Mexa |
| No fucking way this happens, this rumor was started because everyone in the West now has to match up with the huge aquisition by LA, specially the Suns who now are midgets compared to the Lakers. |
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| welkdude |
| Why would the Suns deal Marion.....Shaq is old, fat, banged up and over the hill |
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| timdawg6 |
Shaq is on his way to phoneix for a physical
the reason they trade Marion is becuase he wants a max contract next year and he can just walk away from the suns and they get nothing plus they get to move banks shit contract
now one could debate they could get a better player but Marion is a rent a player as he becomes a unrestricted free agent |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| NO fucking way will Phoenix trade Marion for Shaq, if they do there GM or whoever makes the call should be shot, Shaq's not gonna help there chances at a championship 1 bit, been banged up for the last 2 years and maybe got 1 left in him. They won't just dump a great player like Marion withoutsomething in return, and cap space isn't what a championship caliber team is after. |
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| Mynd4life |
| Suns will be out in the first round for sure if they make this deal, they can no longer run and gun and Shaq will bitch when he doesn't get the ball. He will slow them down so much and they will really be F'd |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| Just heard Rick Bucher on ESPN say that Marion's the one asking for it, Suns still would be crazy to pull the trigger on this one. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Suns might get Shaq, but I don't see them dealing Marion for him. Someone like Barbosa or Diaw, but not Marion. Suns are better off keeping Marion he gives them a better chance to win than Shaq. Unless Shaq loses some weight and refocuses on the game like he did when he went to the Heat it is a bad deal for the Suns. |
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| DestroVega |
| People aren't getting it... they can't keep Marion after this year. The Suns are never winning a title with the way their roster looks now, they might as well try this. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
I guess it's a done deal now pending on a physical by Shaq. This will be interesting to see how he plays in their style of offense.
I understand they probably can't sign Marion, but I thought they could get a better player than an aging Shaq way past his prime. |
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| Mynd4life |
| Well this is a STEAL for the HEAT, Gives D-Wade IF he is healthy another bonafide playmaker to play with. They should at least double their win total and finish with 20 wins for the year. Marion has never been accused of being the sharpest tool in the shed and he is about to go from 1st to worst in a matter of hours. Sucks to be him. |
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| NiceFace |
official..
Jst awaiting on a physical by Marcus Banks i heard(still.the fastest muthafuka in nba i thnk)
suns r retarded i thnk for doin this |
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| Mynd4life |
| Suns blowing it all up while they still had a chance means we are truly headed for a Lakers vs Celtics Finals matchup which is just what the NBA League offices want to see. |
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| Blade_Jones |
| Quote: how would Shaq fit in with Phoenix's running offense? |
I think the Suns are trying to focus on strengthening their defense. I don't know if Shaq and Stoudemier would do a better job than the combo of Marion and Stoudemeir. ?? |
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| Blade_Jones |
| This just in from the Associated Press: Phoenix's prospective team free throw percentage has just gone down from 85% to 65%. :( |
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| Petey Arms |
Reports broke early Wednesday morning that Shaquille O'Neal is on his way to Phoenix to take a physical today, and will be traded to the Suns for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks if he is medically cleared.
That could be a big 'if' given the state of his hip, but it sounds like this improbable trade is very close to being completed. Miami is also believed to want Marion to sign off on the deal beforehand. Ramifications could include Boris Diaw becoming relevant again, starting in Marion's spot, while Amare Stoudemire's points, blocks and rebounds could take a slight hit if Shaq is healthy enough to play heavy minutes for Phoenix. The Suns don't run a five-man fast break, so the theory is that Shaq will not slow them down. It's also possible that Banks could earn significant minutes from Pat Riley in Miami. Stay tuned. |
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| Player 1 |
Wade
Davis
Marion
pretty good scoring trio there in miami now. |
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| DestroVega |
| why does everyone count out the Spurs from Finals talk... closest thing to a current NBA Dynasty... |
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| fatroider4 |
| This is a deal made by two teams freaking out. |
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| ASU Sun Devil |
I understand exactly what Timdawg and destrovega are saying, however, I disagree. Shawn Marion is one of the best defensive players, rebounders, and scorers in the NBA. Some of his stats are a reflection of the team he plays for, but he's easily a top 20 player in freak physical condition with probably 7+ more years in him.
Shaq is 35 years old, currently injured, and only averaging 14/8 per game (and his returns are diminishing). If he were able to help the Suns right now win the title (Nash has 1-2 years left anyway), then I say go for it. However, I think this actually hurts the Suns short term, and in the long term they could make a better trade. I know the deal needs to work numbers-wise, but the Suns would be better off getting a younger unproven small forward with upside, and overpaid throw-in player (to make the numbers work) and a couple of draft picks. This would give the Suns a better future than a 1-shot deal with Shaq sitting on the bench 20 minutes a game. I still think there is more value to be had for Marion, even with less than a year left on his contract,
Keep in mind, this isn't the same old savvy Suns organization. Steve Kerr is the GM, and this is his first year on the job. Owner Robert Sarver seems to be far removed from the aggressive Colangelo days, when the team cared more about winning than profit. |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| Shaq's on the plane to take his physical, I cannot believe this, Suns just giving away Marion and Banks for Shaq, washed up has been center, in the words of Charles Barkley, "That's just terrible, terrible,terrible.....terrible!" |
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| EMFBoss |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack the Hammer
Shaq's on the plane to take his physical, I cannot believe this, Suns just giving away Marion and Banks for Shaq, washed up has been center, in the words of Charles Barkley, "That's just terrible, terrible,terrible.....terrible!" |
This is a horrible trade. Shaq is just collecting $20 million/yr for his retirement/divorce fund. I dont think he has the motivation to win a championship anymore let alone his health problems.... |
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| timdawg6 |
| Marion is going to walk either take a chance on Shaq or put all your marbles in this year with Marion |
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| Vernon Dozier |
Suns are quick , they're already selling Shaq uniforms.........
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| Player 1 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
why does everyone count out the Spurs from Finals talk... closest thing to a current NBA Dynasty... |
just because they dont make a lot of noise in the regular season, no big name aqcuisitions etc etc
but anyone that watches the game, knows that they are the team to beat, and until someone does THE best team in the nba regardless of record.
the spurs are the only team in the way of the utah jazz right now |
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| Player 1 |
Quote: Originally posted by Vernon Dozier
Suns are quick , they're already selling Shaq uniforms.........
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hahahahaha!!! |
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| Blade_Jones |
| What are they selling? Shaq retirement uniforms AKA a suit? What about Shaq retirement golf clubs? |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
WE HAVE A WINNER, finally somebody that knows basketball, side note though, Banks makes a lot of money for a shitty backup pg |
I have to agree , as a die hard Suns fan since I was a kid I have to admit this is a crazy trade but not a bad trade. Its obvious Miami is trying to rebuild around D-Wade. Marion Makes 17 mil this season 19 mil next season and banks is making 13 mil . This trade isn't bad it can work if Shaq really wants to play because he's still one of the top 3 " true centers" in the NBA |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
Marion is going to walk either take a chance on Shaq or put all your marbles in this year with Marion |
I love Marion he's a great fwd, but what happens to Suns in the playoffs?? We end up losing to the Spurs or any team where a big man dominates Suns are a small team they have to double or sometimes triple the center and a good Center like Tim Duncan will find that open shooter with Shaq you eliminate the double team allow the suns to play zone defense |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| Either Marion must be a huge pain in the ass behind the scenes, or the Suns are extremely desparte here witht his move. Thinking Shaq is gonna bring defense or a presence to the league, may help Amare alot on the inside, but still this is a horrible trade for the Suns if you look past 2 years out. |
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| muddpuppy |
| Also, Amare has been bitching for years about having to play center. With the trade he gets to move back to power forward. And Grant Hill is a better defensive player than I ever thought he was. Against the Rockets, McGrady didn't even try to drive on Hill, but blew by Bell and Barbosa. Plus, as someone mentioned, they need to expand Diaw's role as they gave him a pretty big contract a couple of years ago and haven't really used him well since Amare came back. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by ASU Sun Devil
I understand exactly what Timdawg and destrovega are saying, however, I disagree. Shawn Marion is one of the best defensive players, rebounders, and scorers in the NBA. Some of his stats are a reflection of the team he plays for, but he's easily a top 20 player in freak physical condition with probably 7+ more years in him.
Shaq is 35 years old, currently injured, and only averaging 14/8 per game (and his returns are diminishing). If he were able to help the Suns right now win the title (Nash has 1-2 years left anyway), then I say go for it. However, I think this actually hurts the Suns short term, and in the long term they could make a better trade. I know the deal needs to work numbers-wise, but the Suns would be better off getting a younger unproven small forward with upside, and overpaid throw-in player (to make the numbers work) and a couple of draft picks. This would give the Suns a better future than a 1-shot deal with Shaq sitting on the bench 20 minutes a game. I still think there is more value to be had for Marion, even with less than a year left on his contract,
Keep in mind, this isn't the same old savvy Suns organization. Steve Kerr is the GM, and this is his first year on the job. Owner Robert Sarver seems to be far removed from the aggressive Colangelo days, when the team cared more about winning than profit. |
I dunno I have floor seats to the games and I sit behind Sarver, he looks and sounds like he wants a championship we get beat inside thats how you beat the suns ... |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack the Hammer
Either Marion must be a huge pain in the ass behind the scenes, or the Suns are extremely desparte here witht his move. Thinking Shaq is gonna bring defense or a presence to the league, may help Amare alot on the inside, but still this is a horrible trade for the Suns if you look past 2 years out. |
How would you feel as a ALL Star player , to be brought up in every possible trade scenario? Marion just wants the talk to stop and move on.. I guarantee you this isn't a bad trade its not the best trade i must agree but the Suns cant win a ring without a "True Center" |
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| Creekdog |
| If anything else, it prevented Shaq from being traded to anyone else in the west they will meet, and the get rid of marion to boot. Shaq will heal miraculously now and put up some decent numbers for a competitor. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by muddpuppy
Also, Amare has been bitching for years about having to play center. With the trade he gets to move back to power forward. And Grant Hill is a better defensive player than I ever thought he was. Against the Rockets, McGrady didn't even try to drive on Hill, but blew by Bell and Barbosa. Plus, as someone mentioned, they need to expand Diaw's role as they gave him a pretty big contract a couple of years ago and haven't really used him well since Amare came back. |
Amare was drafted as a power fwd, Shaq isnt being brought in to score 30 pts he's being brought in to rebound and to guard big centers in the west like Boozer, Bynum, Chandler, Duncan , Amare can guard these Centers but he gets in foul trouble easy and then they automatically lose a scorer |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by Creekdog
If anything else, it prevented Shaq from being traded to anyone else in the west they will meet, and the get rid of marion to boot. Shaq will heal miraculously now and put up some decent numbers for a competitor. |
Ohh yeah for sure and with Nash at point, there is no doubt that Nash can find Shaq on any play |
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| muddpuppy |
| You are exactly right. I think Kerr decided that Amare is the future of the Suns and is doing this to help him. Also, Marion has been putting up some weak numbers recently and you have to wonder if he wasn't bitching behind the scenes. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
| well theres no ther center besides Garnett thats better developed for NBA play than Shaq. The Suns are ready to win a championship this summer and they wont do so with out a defensive center, Marion can make a good trade and thats what happened we could trade Marion for a Bynum but Bynums not gonna be a dominant force for another 2 years he has a lot to learn |
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| RLM6370 |
| Pat Riley pulls off another one |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
| Suns will meet the Celtics in the Finals |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| Sure they may win a championship, but as a sports franchise, you can't look at the now espcially with a trade of this magnitude. Marion's got a solid 7-10 years left Shaq's got 2 at best. I think there chances with or without Shaq are about the same of winning a championship. Might as well dump him for some youth or draft picks not for an over the hilll center, like my T-Wolves did, I hated the Garnett trade at first but the T-Wolves given 3-4 years will be a top knotch team in the West. I just don't see Shaq even fitting into there offense Suns are run and gun, play no defense. Every team Shaq's played on has been half court sets and play a little D. I wouldn't be happy as a Suns fan, shit Gasol would have been better for them then Shaq. :( |
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| Jack the Hammer |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
Suns will meet the Celtics in the Finals |
Pistons vs. San Antonio was my preseason Final Predictions still sticking with it. Defense wins championships and both these teams have that along with deep benches and experience. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack the Hammer
Pistons vs. San Antonio was my preseason Final Predictions still sticking with it. Defense wins championships and both these teams have that along with deep benches and experience. |
God no not another one of those!! Most boring basketball games ever watched .... |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| I'd definately like to see Celtics vs. Dallas, thought they would matchup well, but neither team has much Playoff experience as far as winning goes, so we'll see here. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack the Hammer
Sure they may win a championship, but as a sports franchise, you can't look at the now espcially with a trade of this magnitude. Marion's got a solid 7-10 years left Shaq's got 2 at best. I think there chances with or without Shaq are about the same of winning a championship. Might as well dump him for some youth or draft picks not for an over the hilll center, like my T-Wolves did, I hated the Garnett trade at first but the T-Wolves given 3-4 years will be a top knotch team in the West. I just don't see Shaq even fitting into there offense Suns are run and gun, play no defense. Every team Shaq's played on has been half court sets and play a little D. I wouldn't be happy as a Suns fan, shit Gasol would have been better for them then Shaq. :( |
I agree but the Suns aren't looking for longevity they are looking to win championships as of 2 seasons ago.. Whats stopping the Suns?? No defense and no Center position! Amare plays the center spot perfect but gets in foul trouble and it eliminates the second best scorer on the team so in the next 3 seasons the Suns lose Nash and Shaq its definately gonna happen but you win that 1 or 2 championships that you spent millions on in the past 5 seasons.. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack the Hammer
I'd definately like to see Celtics vs. Dallas, thought they would matchup well, but neither team has much Playoff experience as far as winning goes, so we'll see here. |
I wanna see Celtics and Suns , thats a very exciting game both teams shoot the 3 well both teams have talented big men .. We already saw the Mavs in the finals time for a new team ... |
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| Petey Arms |
Shaquille O'Neal flew to Phoenix on Wednesday and passed his physical exam, prompting a trade call to be made to the league office.
He's likely to attend tonight's game against the Hornets, but will not play. The trade should be finalized later Wednesday night or sometime on Thursday, and will send Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to the Heat.
Source: Arizona Republic
Related: Shawn Marion, Marcus Banks |
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| Player 1 |
suns cant fuck with the jazz, WILL not CAN not. WONT not. u understand all you herb williams out there?
we got it all, wake the fuck up idiots, dont fall behind |
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| sorabji_66 |
Quote: Originally posted by Blade_Jones
What are they selling? Shaq retirement uniforms AKA a suit? What about Shaq retirement golf clubs? |
A suit is what Shaq has been wearing this season. A great seat right behind the bench. |
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| comixxx |
| I'm trying to be objective here, but it ain't so easy being a Lakers fan. I think this is a better deal for the Heat. Shaq is almost 36, has a bad attitude, is going down hill, and he's not even playing right now due to injury. Also, this gives the Heat a nice one-two punch and/or a shitload of cap room in the next year or two. This is a reaction to the Lakers stealing Gasol. I'm not saying that the Lakers will win the title, but there is little chance that the Suns will win one either. Shaq has been a problem in every place he's been! I wonder if he'll ever get his number retired? The Magic won't retire it because he fucked them by bolting to LA. He didn't play long enough for the Heat for them to retire it. The Lakers might, but he left on really bad terms with Buss. I can't see PHX doing it because Shaq has basically said he's going to retire after his contract is up. Well, good luck PHX. You'll see how frustarting it can be having Shaq on your team. :D |
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| Bobby Booey |
| At least Marion is in Miami...could be worst places.... like Minnesota. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
| There is still some fuel left in Shaq playing on a winning team can make a player reborn just look at the Celtics!!! This isnt a bad trade watch Amare thrive at his true PF position |
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| Saul Hudson |
This trade makes absolutely no sense for the Suns. For argument's sake, let's say that had to get rid of Marion because of chemistry issues or because he was going to walk at the end of this year. And, let's say they needed a center so Amare could play PF. They couldn't find a big man who could put up 14 and 8 for half of the price of Shaq???
Everyone who says the Suns need him to guard Boozer, Duncan, Chandler, etc... has got to be out of their f'ing mind. At this stage in his career, Shaq couldn't guard a top notch PF like Duncan, Boozer, or even Gasol if his life depended on it. |
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| timdawg6 |
| Hey Saul in case you dont follow the NBA I will answer your question no, there isnt a center in the league that averages 14 and 8 that a team wants to get rid of. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
Hey Saul in case you dont follow the NBA I will answer your question no, there isnt a center in the league that averages 14 and 8 that a team wants to get rid of. |
God I love when you post , Timdawg speaks the truth a real sports guy ! |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
| This isnt bad trade.. Amare can play the Center position fine but he gets in foul trouble and when you sit the second best scorer on you team cause of foul trouble ur just fucked untill he gets back in the game ... Shaq will provide a inside game!!! The suns are still going to run but if they cant find a oppertuntiy to score on a fast break then they slow down and dish it to the big man ! |
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| Saul Hudson |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
Hey Saul in case you dont follow the NBA I will answer your question no, there isnt a center in the league that averages 14 and 8 that a team wants to get rid of. |
True, they probably couldn't have gotten some that would get 14 and 8. But, they could have had... someone like Kurt Thomas. Oh, wait, they did have Kurt Thomas and gave him away. He can play center and play better D than Shaq for half the price. |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by Saul Hudson
True, they probably couldn't have gotten some that would get 14 and 8. But, they could have had... someone like Kurt Thomas. Oh, wait, they did have Kurt Thomas and gave him away. He can play center and play better D than Shaq for half the price. |
They tried Kurt Thomas and it didnt work. Nash only has a couple years left and it's do or die. Amare is a great player but Nash make him so much better, and Amara Plays no D. Im not sure if Amare is better then Dwight Howard |
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| ASU Sun Devil |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
This isnt bad trade.. Amare can play the Center position fine but he gets in foul trouble and when you sit the second best scorer on you team cause of foul trouble ur just fucked untill he gets back in the game ... Shaq will provide a inside game!!! The suns are still going to run but if they cant find a oppertuntiy to score on a fast break then they slow down and dish it to the big man ! |
I hope you're right, because I've been a huge Suns fan since the black guys had afro's (the first time around), and the Suns were the only pro team in AZ. It's time to quit teasing us and bring home the title.
Still skeptical, no matter how many times you or timdawg say it was a good deal, but I'm hoping for a re-birth in Shaq. Stranger things have happened in the NBA. I will say this, with Shaq, Grant Hill and Steve Nash, that's a lot of all-star talent with 1-2 years left in the league, and they'll probably go balls to the wall to bring it home. Add in a heavy dose of a healthy STAT, and we have a chance. |
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| timdawg6 |
| Sun Devil the point is that with Marion they simply werent good enough, they had to take a chance and this is the chance. |
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| Saul Hudson |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
They tried Kurt Thomas and it didnt work. Nash only has a couple years left and it's do or die. Amare is a great player but Nash make him so much better, and Amara Plays no D. Im not sure if Amare is better then Dwight Howard |
But, if Kurt Thomas didn't work, how the hell is Shaq going to work? His D is going to be worse and he's going to give you maybe 20 half decent minutes a night at C. |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by Saul Hudson
But, if Kurt Thomas didn't work, how the hell is Shaq going to work? His D is going to be worse and he's going to give you maybe 20 half decent minutes a night at C. |
Shaq is 7 foot big difference, Im not saying its going to work but it has a chance, with Marion they had very little chance to win it all |
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| Saul Hudson |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
Shaq is 7 foot big difference, Im not saying its going to work but it has a chance, with Marion they had very little chance to win it all |
If Shaq came at a decent price, I think it would be worth a shot. But $40 million for the next 2 years??? Pat Riley has to be doing cartwheels.
I wonder if this was Steve Kerr's doing or ownerships? |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by Saul Hudson
If Shaq came at a decent price, I think it would be worth a shot. But $40 million for the next 2 years??? Pat Riley has to be doing cartwheels.
I wonder if this was Steve Kerr's doing or ownerships? |
It was Kerr's decision with ownerhships approval.
Im sure attendance and prices next year will be going up along with merchandise. |
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| timdawg6 |
| Im not sure if Diaw gets back in shape and re-attachs his nuts he is not on the same level as Marion |
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| ASU Sun Devil |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
Sun Devil the point is that with Marion they simply werent good enough, they had to take a chance and this is the chance. |
Like I said, I hope you're right, but doubt you are.
I've seen this too many times. I equate this to Charles Barkley joining the Rockets in the Mid 1990's. He was a superstar, but only a shell of what he once was. If Shaq spends the next 2 years with 60% of his time on the bench in street clothes, then it'll be a bad trade. Plain and simple. We'll reset this topic in June, and hopefully I'll be wrong. :cool: |
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| timdawg6 |
| I dont understand your logic, I equate this to the Chris Webber trade with the Sixers. We werent good enough team before the trade to win it all, if the stars aligned right with Webber we could have won it all but it didnt work out, same thing will hapen to your team |
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| fatroider4 |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
I dont understand your logic, I equate this to the Chris Webber trade with the Sixers. We werent good enough team before the trade to win it all, if the stars aligned right with Webber we could have won it all but it didnt work out, same thing will hapen to your team |
Webber and the Sixers never could have won it all :rolleyes: That trade does show you that sometimes teams make changes where you look at both side and say "Why?" |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by fatroider4
Webber and the Sixers never could have won it all :rolleyes: That trade does show you that sometimes teams make changes where you look at both side and say "Why?" |
We Dumped some good salary on Sacramento for that deal. I disagee with that statement, we had a chance to win it all but we didnt, I still aplaud the move, we had to give a shot and that was our best chance. |
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| fatroider4 |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
We Dumped some good salary on Sacramento for that deal. I disagee with that statement, we had a chance to win it all but we didnt, I still aplaud the move, we had to give a shot and that was our best chance. |
They had to buy out Webers contract and Im pretty sure that it still counts agaisnt the cap this year. Hardly a salary dump and it wasn't Webbers fault they would never win a championship it was AI's |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by fatroider4
They had to buy out Webers contract and Im pretty sure that it still counts agaisnt the cap this year. Hardly a salary dump and it wasn't Webbers fault they would never win a championship it was AI's |
Well I know one thing, SOME ASSHOLES are still paying a shit load for Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner |
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| fatroider4 |
| kenny thomas yes. Skinners died last year |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Before we bash the Suns let's see how this deal works out. If you watched tonight's game probably the Game of the Year the Suns clearly need a defensive presence in the middle. You’re not going to win a title if you give up 120 points per game. |
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| bonghitbobby |
| horrible trade for the suns, shaq is done, stick a fork in him it's over. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by bonghitbobby
horrible trade for the suns, shaq is done, stick a fork in him it's over. |
... You wish anytime Shaq plays with a super star he wins a ring 1st year out.. He teamed up with Kobe = he wins a ring , he teams up with D Wade= he wins a ring, He teams up with Steve Nash = he's gonna win a ring ... There is still some gas in the tank... |
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| Saul Hudson |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
... You wish anytime Shaq plays with a super star he wins a ring 1st year out.. He teamed up with Kobe = he wins a ring , he teams up with D Wade= he wins a ring, He teams up with Steve Nash = he's gonna win a ring ... There is still some gas in the tank... |
He did not win a ring his first year with Kobe. I believe it was his 4th year. |
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| Saul Hudson |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
I dont understand your logic, I equate this to the Chris Webber trade with the Sixers. We werent good enough team before the trade to win it all, if the stars aligned right with Webber we could have won it all but it didnt work out, same thing will hapen to your team |
There was no f'ing way in hell the Sixers were winning a ring when they got Webber. The Sixers got a broken down jump shooting PF with a huge contract. All the Sixer fans were going nuts because they thought that the Sixers had finally got that inside presence to play with AI. It was quite comical actually. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by Saul Hudson
He did not win a ring his first year with Kobe. I believe it was his 4th year. |
It doesn't matter he will win one for Phx this year .. he's playing with a 2 time MVP (should have been 3 in a row)best PG in th league ... |
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| Blade_Jones |
| It's the 2nd game in a row for Phoenix without Marion and with O'Neil injured. You know Phoenix would have beaten New Orleans but instead they lost. Wonder how they'll fare against Seattle. |
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