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| KingOfAllWhites |
Lawyers: McNamee has physical evidence linking Clemens to steroids
By TERI THOMPSON, CHRISTIAN RED, NATHANIEL VINTON and MICHAEL O'KEEFFE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS
Wednesday, February 6th 2008, 3:32 PM
Brian McNamee has turned over physical evidence to federal investigators that he believes will show Roger Clemens used performance-enhancing drugs, according to McNamee's lawyers.
"This is evidence the government has that we believe will corroborate Brian in every significant way," said McNamee lawyer Earl Ward.
McNamee's attorneys would not discuss the details of the evidence, but according to a source close to the former Yankee strength and conditioning coach, McNamee gave the Justice Department's BALCO investigators vials with traces of steroids and growth hormone, as well as blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain the Rocket's DNA.
Justice Department officials have sent the evidence to a lab for testing, and if the materials do indeed contain traces of drugs and blood, prosecutors may attempt to get a court order for a DNA sample from Clemens.
McNamee plans to discuss the evidence with the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tomorrow, when he is interviewed by the panel's attorneys in preparation for next Wednesday's congressional hearing on the challenges Clemens has raised about the Mitchell Report.
"We will provide Congress with corroborative physical evidence that takes this case out of the he-said, she-said purview," said another McNamee lawyer, Richard Emery. "From our point of view, this corroborates that Brian told the truth from Day One and Clemens has not."
Clemens' attorneys Rusty Hardin and Lanny Breuer did not return calls for comment.
The explosive evidence could pose big problems for the seven-time Cy Young Award winner, who emerged from a five-hour deposition with committee investigators yesterday and told reporters that he had testified under oath that he had never used illict drugs.
Clemens has repeatedly denied using performance-enhancing drugs ever since the Mitchell Report was released on Dec. 13, but if he did indeed reiterate his denials under oath, the stakes become significantly higher. Clemens could be charged under a federal law that penalizes anyone who knowingly and willfully lies to Congress. The law, 18 U.S.C. 1001, allows prison terms up to a five-year in length.
"We're not going to make any judgments until we see all the evidence," said Keith Ausbrook, the committee's Republican general counsel. "We're going to have to wait to see what Mr. McNamee tells us."
Other witnesses may also come forward with information that corroborates McNamee's account in the Mitchell Report, the source said. McNamee told former Sen. George Mitchell he injected Clemens with performance-enhancing drugs at least 16 times in 1998, 2000 and 2001.
McNamee kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from the 2000 and 2001 seasons because he feared Clemens would deny illicit drug use if the matter was ever investigated, the source added.
McNamee has not talked about the evidence in the past, the source said, because he did not want to implicate Clemens in Major League Baseball's ongoing steroid scandal. But Clemens has left McNamee no choice: The Rocket filed a defamation lawsuit naming McNamee as a defendant shortly after the Mitchell Report's release, and Clemens' legal and public relations team have spent weeks attacking the Breezy Point resident's credibility.
Although Clemens has repeatedly denied steroid use, he has said McNamee, his longtime personal trainer and the Yankees assistant strength and conditioning coach in 2000 and 2001, did give him B-12 and lidocaine injections. But the source said the government's lab tests could prove the vials and syringes contained illict drugs, not a vitamin or a pain killer.
The House Oversight Committee has already shown it will not tolerate ballplayers who lie to lawmakers. The committee's chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) asked the Justice Department to investigate whether Astros shortstop Miguel Tejada lied on Aug. 26, 2005, when Tejada told congressional aides investigating then-Baltimore Orioles teammate Rafael Palmeiro them that he didn't use steroids and didn't know other players who did.
Tejada is now the focus of an FBI investigation, likely to center on the transcribed interview in question, and the contradictory evidence laid out in the Mitchell Report on performance-enhancing drugs and baseball, which includes photographed reproductions of a signed check Tejada wrote in 2003 to his then-teammate Adam Piatt, who told Mitchell the check was for drugs.
McNamee will be the fifth person interviewed by congressional investigators preparing for next week's hearing.
One key witness against Clemens could be his longtime friend and teammate Pettitte, who met with the same congressional investigators for 2 1/2 hours on Monday.
Committee staff members and Pettitte's lawyers declined to talk about his interview, which was expected to focus on Pettitte's admission that he used human growth hormone as noted in the Mitchell Report. But Pettitte's testimony could also be devastating for Clemens. The pitchers have been famously close friends in their years together with the Yankees and Houston Astros. Both used McNamee as a trainer.
Ward, moreover, told the Daily News last week that he expected Pettitte to tell investigators about a conversation he had with Clemens and McNamee about performance-enhancing drugs during a workout session at Clemens' Houston-area home before the 2002 season.
Former Met clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, meanwhile, meets with the House Oversight Committee investigators on Tuesday, the same day the panel will hold a hearing entitled "Myths and Facts About Human Growth Hormone, B-12 and Other Substances." That hearing is being held prior to the Mitchell Report hearing to help lawmakers understand the "true effects" of the substances, according to a statement from the committee. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
:bigclap:
I wonder how nuge will spin this. |
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| Matt Serra |
| That is awesome. I wish they had released this after Clemens testified so he could be prosecuted for perjury and we can throw his lying Yankee ass into the clink. |
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| Disco_stu73 |
| First the Super Bowl, then Johan Santana, and now this. Pleasure overload...pleasure overload... |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
:bigclap:
I wonder how nuge will spin this. |
If Clemens had stayed in Boston nuge would've been all over his ass. Clemens will plead the 5th next week. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
First the Super Bowl, then Johan Santana, and now this. Pleasure overload...pleasure overload... |
:lol:
My thoughts exactly! :D |
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| Matt Serra |
| My bad guys. Clemens already did testify under oath before Congress. That damn fool just got caught in the perjury trap. He should have known the trainer kept some physical evidence. This reminds me of Monica Lewensky's semen stained dress which gave the lie to Bill Clinton's famous "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewensky." |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Do not forget!!
Clemens spent approximately 5 hrs on Capital Hill yesterday testifying UNDER OATH!
He is due back next week for round #2
They got him now :rofl: |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
My bad guys. Clemens already did testify under oath before Congress. That damn fool just got caught in the perjury trap. He should have known the trainer kept some physical evidence. This reminds me of Monica Lewensky's semen stained dress which gave the lie to Bill Clinton's famous "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewensky." |
Speaking of sex, Clemens is fucked. |
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| Dirty South |
He is MAJOR LEAGUE fucked.
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| What are his lawyers and family saying now........:jj: |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Clemens should of known McNamee had some kind of evidence on him. He wouldn't risk going to jail without any kind of evidence. He should of followed Pettite's lead and admit he took steroids. |
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| Dirty South |
:lol:
His son is in single A I believe...
he thought he got heckled before for being Roger's kid... :lol:
He should quit baseball immediately. :jj: |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
My bad guys. Clemens already did testify under oath before Congress. That damn fool just got caught in the perjury trap. He should have known the trainer kept some physical evidence. This reminds me of Monica Lewensky's semen stained dress which gave the lie to Bill Clinton's famous "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewensky." |
Exactly what I was going to say, he was under oath yesterday when he was lying his ass off. Now, he's up shit's creek!!! :bigclap: :bigclap: |
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| Rammstein Musik |
| i hope it's true, but i also think they might be bluffing. i have my doubts that McNamee would have kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from 2000 and 2001. i guess we'll see how scared Clemens is now. he's in so deep that he might not be able to come clean. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
i hope it's true, but i also think they might be bluffing. i have my doubts that McNamee would have kept kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from 2000 and 2001. i guess we'll see how scared Clemens is now. he's in so deep that he might not be able to come clean. |
The syringers, gauze pads, and vials might not be Clemens, but I'm sure he has them. His lawyers wouldn't lie by saying they have them and they don't. |
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| Dirty South |
Why WOULDN'T McNamee have kept syringes etc. etc.?
Perfect way to cover your ass. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
The syringers, gauze pads, and vials might not be Clemens, but I'm sure he has them. His lawyers wouldn't lie by saying they have them and they don't. |
I guess they'll test for DNA so they had better be Clemens". If so, he's fucked. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| He kept them for this exact reason. He know it could come down to a he said/she said.. |
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| jobbey |
| So sad he is. why in the fuck didnt he just man up. now all he worked for all his life was for nothing. he had to be a stubborn asshole to the end. he was the greatest pitcher of our time. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
So sad he is. why in the fuck didnt he just man up. now all he worked for all his life was for nothing. he had to be a stubborn asshole to the end. he was the greatest pitcher of our time. |
..........and he dragged Pettite down with him. Any real Yankee fan should despise him for that alone. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
I guess they'll test for DNA so they had better be Clemens". If so, he's fucked. |
I don't know shit about DNA and all that crap. I would think after 7 years the blood or whatever would wear out, but I guess not. I hope this is true. Clemens is the next Palmeiro if it is.
Then a couple weeks later he fails a test that was great. |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by Dirty South
Why WOULDN'T McNamee have kept syringes etc. etc.?
Perfect way to cover your ass. |
i guess he must have assumed that he would be busted down the road. |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
I don't know shit about DNA and all that crap. I would think after 7 years the blood or whatever would wear out, but I guess not. I hope this is true. Clemens is the next Palmeiro if it is.
Then a couple weeks later he fails a test that was great. |
no i've heard testing dna on someone dead and buried over 100 years. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
i guess he must have assumed that he would be busted down the road. |
exactly...He had a hunch that it could eventually come down to this. I mean, what did he have to lose? |
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| Dirty South |
Shit like this always comes out eventually.
Once again, for the millionth time: It's not the crime that kills ya, it's the cover-up. |
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| jobbey |
| it is a bad day in baseball. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| not true at all...Great day in flushing today, JOOOOOOOOOHAN!! :D |
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| Rammstein Musik |
| you think he would have learned his lesson from Marion Jones about lying. hopefully him and Bonds will be joining her in prison. |
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| Matt Serra |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
i hope it's true, but i also think they might be bluffing. i have my doubts that McNamee would have kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from 2000 and 2001. i guess we'll see how scared Clemens is now. he's in so deep that he might not be able to come clean. |
Would you think a woman would keep and not wash a dress someone jizzed on for years? |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
it is a bad day in baseball. |
Baseball will be fine. Clemens? That's another story. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
Would you think a woman would keep and not wash a dress someone jizzed on for years? |
Hey man, that's presidential cum! |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
Would you think a woman would keep and not wash a dress someone jizzed on for years? |
that was President of the United States jizz though. :) |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Baseball will be fine. Clemens? That's another story. |
what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
he was only incredible because he cheated!
There is a reason why nobody else has ever been that incredible. |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. |
Well, yeah - now we know why. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| What's worse steroids or a video tape? |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away. |
My point only is that Baseball will survive. As far as Clemens isn't everything after Boston sort of tainted now? |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
he was only incredible because he cheated!
There is a reason why nobody else has ever been that incredible. |
vedddy twue. his work out regimen lmao... needle up. |
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| rolltide |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away. |
Sorry to say it but it's time for him to pay his debt to society if he broke the law.
* Roger Clemens |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by rolltide
Sorry to say it but it's time for him to pay his debt to society if he broke the law.
* Roger Clemens |
he got paid bigtime too. he fucked so many fans. |
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| Dirty South |
How do most Yank fans feel about Roger now, I wonder?
(Not shitbirds like Nuge) |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away. |
just think what Nolan Ryan would have done if he was on steroids. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I would love input from people like Bpalm and DestroyVega...
I think none of them thought he was innocent anyway. |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by Dirty South
How do most Yank fans feel about Roger now, I wonder?
(Not shitbirds like Nuge) |
nuge isnt a yankees fan.
How To Spot a Bandwagon Fan
John Ciccarelli / Columnist
Published Wednesday, February 21, 2007
Issue 79 / Volume 87
For every true sports fan who lives and dies with each thrilling and gut-wrenching game his team endures throughout the season, there is a bandwagon fan who basks in the glory of a team’s victory, but only after that team has hoisted the trophy over their head. For those unfamiliar with the idea of bandwagon fans, they are simply individuals who lend their support to a team, only after that team has had proven success.
The most common cases of this occur when someone decides to follow a new sport, and therefore, must choose a team to support. Well, why should they show any loyalty to a local team or a struggling team, when they can throw themselves onto the bandwagon of a proven winner? People like to be associated with winners or success stories; it makes them feel better about themselves. But, that doesn’t make the process of jumping on the bandwagon any more acceptable.
Everyone who is a true sports fan knows that being a fan is a way of life. For example, if I know that my buddy’s favorite team is playing an important game Monday afternoon, and I’m planning on seeing him later that night, I should be able to tell whether his team won or lost within the first minute of talking to him. His attitude and the way he carries himself should tip me off as to what the final score probably was. When you’re a true fan, the emotional swings that go along with your team’s highs and lows carry over into your daily activities. The opposite is true with bandwagon fans: they don’t experience the lows because they realize that they could just jump ship at any time if their current team isn’t on top anymore. Since bandwagon fans can be hazardous to your sports viewing experience, it is my duty to inform you of how to spot and avoid these individuals at all costs.
Bandwagon fans can most easily be spotted by the jerseys they wear. Anytime someone is sporting the jersey of the current champion, and said jersey is that of the recent MVP of the championship series, it’s blatantly obvious that a perpetrator is at large. If the jersey, or in some cases matching hat, looks brand new, this is only further supporting evidence of their status as a fair-weather fan.
True sports fans don’t need to buy an overpriced program because they already know, virtually up to the minute, everything that’s going on with their team. The bandwagon fan uses the program as a tool to mask his or her inferior knowledge of their team’s happenings. The exception to this is if a father or mother buys a program for their child. This is not only an anti-bandwagoning movement; it is simply part of the preparation process for their child to one day, in the near future, become a tried and true sports fan.
No matter how hard I try, I can’t seem to flush out of my memory the image of the sea of Red Sox hats and jerseys that popped up after their World Series victory. Then, there’s also the fact that my family and I would regularly attend Angels games on vacation because we enjoyed being able to watch a game in a nice park without the noisy crowds, since the ballpark was nearly always empty. Well, all it took was one World Series win, and suddenly, knowing a scalper was your only chance of getting into the park on game day, as the bandwagon fans took over the stadium in droves.
No one is saying that you have to memorize the starting lineup of your squad from the 1950 season, but there’s a certain baseline of minimum knowledge that must be exceeded by all true fans. The bandwagon fan doesn’t know of, or care about, meeting this minimum requirement. In fact, a bandwagoner’s knowledge about his newly acquired favorite team usually dates back to the day before the last championship parade.
For all of the criticisms that bandwagoners receive, I feel that it is only fair to recognize the tremendous amount of courage they possess. After all, these courageous individuals risk life, limb and any semblance of team loyalty when they leap from one bandwagon to the next.
he proved his colors last year when the yanks were losing. |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I would love input from people like Bpalm and DestroyVega...
I think none of them thought he was innocent anyway. |
destroys cool. he sees shit for what it is. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
nuge isnt a yankees fan.
How To Spot a Bandwagon Fan
John Ciccarelli / Columnist
Published Wednesday, February 21, 2007
Issue 79 / Volume 87
For every true sports fan who lives and dies with each thrilling and gut-wrenching game his team endures throughout the season, there is a bandwagon fan who basks in the glory of a team’s victory, but only after that team has hoisted the trophy over their head. For those unfamiliar with the idea of bandwagon fans, they are simply individuals who lend their support to a team, only after that team has had proven success.
The most common cases of this occur when someone decides to follow a new sport, and therefore, must choose a team to support. Well, why should they show any loyalty to a local team or a struggling team, when they can throw themselves onto the bandwagon of a proven winner? People like to be associated with winners or success stories; it makes them feel better about themselves. But, that doesn’t make the process of jumping on the bandwagon any more acceptable.
Everyone who is a true sports fan knows that being a fan is a way of life. For example, if I know that my buddy’s favorite team is playing an important game Monday afternoon, and I’m planning on seeing him later that night, I should be able to tell whether his team won or lost within the first minute of talking to him. His attitude and the way he carries himself should tip me off as to what the final score probably was. When you’re a true fan, the emotional swings that go along with your team’s highs and lows carry over into your daily activities. The opposite is true with bandwagon fans: they don’t experience the lows because they realize that they could just jump ship at any time if their current team isn’t on top anymore. Since bandwagon fans can be hazardous to your sports viewing experience, it is my duty to inform you of how to spot and avoid these individuals at all costs.
Bandwagon fans can most easily be spotted by the jerseys they wear. Anytime someone is sporting the jersey of the current champion, and said jersey is that of the recent MVP of the championship series, it’s blatantly obvious that a perpetrator is at large. If the jersey, or in some cases matching hat, looks brand new, this is only further supporting evidence of their status as a fair-weather fan.
True sports fans don’t need to buy an overpriced program because they already know, virtually up to the minute, everything that’s going on with their team. The bandwagon fan uses the program as a tool to mask his or her inferior knowledge of their team’s happenings. The exception to this is if a father or mother buys a program for their child. This is not only an anti-bandwagoning movement; it is simply part of the preparation process for their child to one day, in the near future, become a tried and true sports fan.
No matter how hard I try, I can’t seem to flush out of my memory the image of the sea of Red Sox hats and jerseys that popped up after their World Series victory. Then, there’s also the fact that my family and I would regularly attend Angels games on vacation because we enjoyed being able to watch a game in a nice park without the noisy crowds, since the ballpark was nearly always empty. Well, all it took was one World Series win, and suddenly, knowing a scalper was your only chance of getting into the park on game day, as the bandwagon fans took over the stadium in droves.
No one is saying that you have to memorize the starting lineup of your squad from the 1950 season, but there’s a certain baseline of minimum knowledge that must be exceeded by all true fans. The bandwagon fan doesn’t know of, or care about, meeting this minimum requirement. In fact, a bandwagoner’s knowledge about his newly acquired favorite team usually dates back to the day before the last championship parade.
For all of the criticisms that bandwagoners receive, I feel that it is only fair to recognize the tremendous amount of courage they possess. After all, these courageous individuals risk life, limb and any semblance of team loyalty when they leap from one bandwagon to the next.
he proved his colors last year when the yanks were losing. |
:rofl:
god damn, that is awesome :jj: |
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| KMSDEMON |
| :bigcry: DOUCHE67 :bigcry: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by jobbey
destroys cool. he sees shit for what it is. |
exactly..He always sees Yankees stuff for what it is. |
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| jobbey |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:rofl:
god damn, that is awesome :jj: |
that should be nuge's sig |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
That is awesome. I wish they had released this after Clemens testified so he could be prosecuted for perjury and we can throw his lying Yankee ass into the clink. |
They did. Even though it was only the first stage (and a private session), it still has all the bearing of the public one on the 13th which is why this was released today. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by johnni44
They did. Even though it was only the first stage (and a private session), it still has all the bearing of the public one on the 13th which is why this was released today. |
Hey, Clemens wanted to play hardball. So they are playing hardball!! :rofl: |
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| DestroVega |
While I always thought Clemens was guilty, I'll wait and see what said evidence is... another check? means nothing really when the trainer gets you basically everything... Also, why all this physical evidence in the Mitchell Report but not this piece?...
Like I said, always thought Clemens was guilty, but I won't consider this a smoking gun until we see what it is. |
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| LennyD23 |
| The fag convention busted out with the lolz smileyz and big claps. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Hey, Clemens wanted to play hardball. So they are playing hardball!! :rofl: |
How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.
Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha
This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
The fag convention busted out with the lolz smileyz and big claps. |
Well, it is a thread about Clemens taking it in the ass, so........ |
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| LennyD23 |
Oh, needles with blood. :rolleyes:
He could've filled them up with whatever chemicals he wanted to after the injections.
Who the fuck keeps old syringes? :crazy: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Well, it is a thread about Clemens taking it in the ass, so........ |
So you enjoy stories about guys takin it in the ass. That's special. |
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| Matt Serra |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
While I always thought Clemens was guilty, I'll wait and see what said evidence is... another check? means nothing really when the trainer gets you basically everything... Also, why all this physical evidence in the Mitchell Report but not this piece?...
Like I said, always thought Clemens was guilty, but I won't consider this a smoking gun until we see what it is. |
It's not a check. McNamee kept syringes he injected Clemens with. They have Clemens blood and roid traces. Hay wait! Mark Furhman planted Clemens blood just like he did OJ's.
"if di glove don't fit you am must acquit!" |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.
Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha
This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying. |
Lidocaine is not something that is shot into the ass & didn't Clemens first say that he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING? |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I would love input from people like Bpalm and DestroyVega...
I think none of them thought he was innocent anyway. |
Yeah again, I never thought Clemens was innocent... you hear the accusations and you think back and it makes sense.
The only thing that kind of didn't make sense was, the Mitchell Report made it seem Clemens started using after his two big years in Toronto, so I dunno how big the effect is if that's the case.
The throwing the bat back at Piazza is now clearly roid-rage.
Clemens is a dumb ass though, he was that hard-up to protect his legacy he lied out his ass and made himself look worse in the process... Andy spit the truth from the get-go cause he is a religious guy and already did one wrong thing, he wasn't gonna do two...
I do think MacNamee is a scum-bag though. Not cause he flipped on guys, just cause all accounts of him make him sound like a sleazeball. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
So you enjoy stories about guys takin it in the ass. That's special. |
It sounds like you're suckling at Clemens' teet. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Serra
It's not a check. McNamee kept syringes he injected Clemens with. They have Clemens blood and roid traces. Hay wait! Mark Furhman planted Clemens blood just like he did OJ's.
"if di glove don't fit you am must acquit!" |
Well is they have blood samples, good job.
I really couldn't care less about Clemens, he helped the Yankees, but lets be honest, he walked onto a team that was already the odds on favorites to win again... I have always seen him as a hired gun and I thought bringing him back this year was the biggest mistake ever. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.
Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha
This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying. |
:lol:
your a funny guy :jj: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Lidocaine is not something that is shot into the ass & didn't Clemens first say that he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING? |
Are they gonna prove the syringes were stuck in his ass? They can do that now?
They've got to find his DNA on the syringe, let alone detail where it was injected.
And if you've read/heard what Clemens has been saying, and you know you have bc you're commenting about it in the first part of your post, you'd know he didn't say he wasn't shot up ANYTHING. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
It's just funny when Roger does. |
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| Dirty South |
| LMAO Lenny get Roger's cawk out of your mouth. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
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You enjoy suckling Clemens' teet? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
your a funny guy :jj: |
Where is this going? He covered his ass w/ the admission of getting B12/lido injections.
Don't be surprised if this is a stalemate. Just b/c Vick & Marion Jones got busted for lying under oath, doesn't mean Clemens is going down...
Check the law in the article:
"KNOWINGLY LIES TO CONGRESS...."
Not to mention, he's white. We'll see just how racist this country really is if/when he gets away with this. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
You enjoy suckling Clemens' teet? |
No. Do you? |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Where is this going? He covered his ass w/ the admission of getting B12/lido injections.
Don't be surprised if this is a stalemate. Just b/c Vick & Marion Jones got busted for lying under oath, doesn't mean Clemens is going down...
Check the law in the article:
"KNOWINGLY LIES TO CONGRESS...."
Not to mention, he's white. We'll see just how racist this country really is if/when he gets away with this. |
Again, asshole you do not get shot with lidocaine in the ass & he originally said he wasn't shot with ANYTHING. Are you stupid? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Dirty South
LMAO Lenny get Roger's cawk out of your mouth. |
Take it outta your ass first. |
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| Big Gamer |
| It has to be tested first but if that is his DNA on there he's fucked himself royaly... |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
No. Do you? |
I obviously don't. You obviously would love to. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Again, asshole you do not get shot with lidocaine in the ass & he originally said he wasn't shot with ANYTHING. Are you stupid? |
What's with the name calling fuckface?
He said on 60 fucking minutes that he took injections of B12/lidocaine. WTF are you talking about shots in the ass, faggot?
Reply to my other post addressing your stupidity in the first place, dumbfuck. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Where is this going? He covered his ass w/ the admission of getting B12/lido injections.
Don't be surprised if this is a stalemate. Just b/c Vick & Marion Jones got busted for lying under oath, doesn't mean Clemens is going down...
Check the law in the article:
"KNOWINGLY LIES TO CONGRESS...."
Not to mention, he's white. We'll see just how racist this country really is if/when he gets away with this. |
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Come on dude, come clean! This is Daniel Carver....right :D
So between this evidence and Andy Pettitte telling them under oath that he had a conversation about steroids with Roger, he still did not knowingly lie to congress?
Pass that shit over here brotha! I want what your smoking :harris: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
I obviously don't. You obviously would love to. |
No U. :gay: |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.
Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha
This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying. |
you must have missed this part in the news article....
But the source said the government's lab tests could prove the vials and syringes contained illict drugs, not a vitamin or a pain killer. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
What's with the name calling fuckface?
He said on 60 fucking minutes that he took injections of B12/lidocaine. WTF are you talking about shots in the ass, faggot?
Reply to my other post addressing your stupidity in the first place, dumbfuck. |
Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
Come on dude, come clean! This is Daniel Carver....right :D
So between this evidence and Andy Pettitte telling them under oath that he had a conversation about steroids with Roger, he still did not knowingly lie to congress?
Pass that shit over here brotha! I want what your smoking :harris: |
Whatta ya mean come clean? I make great points here. The physical evidence is a wash w/ his admission of the B12/lido shots. That evidence could either be tampered with after the fact, or simply use the knowingly part of the allegations to his advantage.
The real showdown is when Pettitte's testimony comes forward. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine. |
That is true. It is the video with the Roger Clemens 300 wins emblem thing in the backround. He said he was never injected by Brian McNamee with anything. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine. |
he can't keep his bullshit straight... |
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| Big Gamer |
Quote: Originally posted by Dirty South
:lol:
His son is in single A I believe...
he thought he got heckled before for being Roger's kid... :lol:
He should quit baseball immediately. :jj: |
Its not funny at all...You faggot Yankee haters need to get some mental help. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine. |
What is your fucking point? He said on national TV he had shots of B12/lido.
Are they gonna use this video to take him down? The only important thing is his testimony. They aren't concerned with his video. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Whatta ya mean come clean? I make great points here. The physical evidence is a wash w/ his admission of the B12/lido shots. That evidence could either be tampered with after the fact, or simply use the knowingly part of the allegations to his advantage.
The real showdown is when Pettitte's testimony comes forward. |
....and he dragged his good buddy Pettite into this mess when Pettite was all but forgotten when he admitted to it earlier. What a class act. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
That is true. It is the video with the Roger Clemens 300 wins emblem thing in the backround. He said he was never injected by Brian McNamee with anything. |
I get this. Is this video gonna land him in jail? No. His testimony will, if anything.
The video is of no circumstance. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
What is your fucking point? He said on national TV he had shots of B12/lido.
Are they gonna use this video to take him down? The only important thing is his testimony. They aren't concerned with his video. |
My point is that HE said HE was never injected with anything, ever . First. Once a liar........ |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
....and he dragged his good buddy Pettite into this mess when Pettite was all but forgotten when he admitted to it earlier. What a class act. |
How so? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Whatta ya mean come clean? I make great points here. The physical evidence is a wash w/ his admission of the B12/lido shots. That evidence could either be tampered with after the fact, or simply use the knowingly part of the allegations to his advantage.
The real showdown is when Pettitte's testimony comes forward. |
Dude, IF they prove that the inside of the vials are not B12/Lido then your whole argument is out the window. That is something that is very easy to find out and I am sure will be leaked shortly.
Again, the Pettite saying he talked to Roger about it takes the "knowingly" part of your argument out as well.
If this allegation is true. Along with the fact that Pettite is going to rat on him(if it is true). Then he will be busted and will have no chance. Your smoking crack if you think otherwise :D
I cant lie, I expected more from you. I really thought you would laugh about his guilt, not sound like an OJ Simpson defender :D |
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| Big Gamer |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
The syringers, gauze pads, and vials might not be Clemens, but I'm sure he has them. His lawyers wouldn't lie by saying they have them and they don't. |
How is that gonna prove that Clemens took steroids unless his DNA is on a syringe that has Steroids in it or steroid residue at least. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
My point is that HE said HE was never injected with anything, ever . First. Once a liar........ |
You've never told a lie? :rolleyes: |
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| Big Gamer |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
You've never told a lie? :rolleyes: |
"Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone" |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
I get this. Is this video gonna land him in jail? No. His testimony will, if anything.
The video is of no circumstance. |
So that video is of no circumstance but the 60 minutes is? :jj: |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
I get this. Is this video gonna land him in jail? No. His testimony will, if anything.
The video is of no circumstance. |
I don't give a shit if he goes to jail or not just stop trying to cover his ass when he himself is doing such a lousy job of it himself. I know you wouldn't put so much energy into defending him if he had never left Boston. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
you must have missed this part in the news article....
But the source said the government's lab tests could prove the vials and syringes contained illict drugs, not a vitamin or a pain killer. |
No I didn't. I already rebutted this. Read more, post less. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| I am starting to think Lenny is Nuge's mult :jj: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
I don't give a shit if he goes to jail or not just stop trying to cover his ass when he himself is doing such a lousy job of it himself. I know you wouldn't put so much energy into defending him if he had never left Boston. |
Defending? I'm posting on a message board. Irregardless, I think the mitchell report is a piece of shit, and we should move on in prevention. I'm not putting any energy into this. You breaking a sweat, otter? Calm the fuck down. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I am starting to think Lenny is Nuge's mult :jj: |
Ok, Jay Z. :hw: |
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