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| mbrin_61 |
There's been a lot of talk about the Santana trade which is understandable. So I thought I'd look at the numbers of the top pitchers in the N.L. East. Here are their numbers from last year.
Tim Hudson 16-10 ERA 3.33 224.1 innings
John Smoltz 14-8 ERA 3.11 205.2 innings
Cole Hamels 15-5 ERA 3.39 183.1 innings
Johan Santana 15-13 ERA 3.33 219 innings
Oliver Perez 15-10 ERA 3.56 177 innings
John Maine 15-10 ERA 3.91 191 innings
Tom Glavine 13-8 ERA 4.45 200.1 innings
Hmmmmm.....So Tim Hudson had the most victories, the most innings pitched, and next to John Smoltz the lowest ERA. Only Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine and Santana pitched over 200 innings. The Phillies bullpen, for example, had to pitch over 4 1/2 full games more when Cole Hamels was pitching versus Tim Hudson.
Yeah....I guess all you Mets and Phillies fans are right. You guys are gonna run away with the Division this year. :rolleyes: |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| The reason the Braves will struggle isn't because of Smoltz and Hudson it's because who pitches after them and the Braves bullpen has problems. Enjoy 3rd place. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
The reason the Braves will struggle isn't because of Smoltz and Hudson it's because who pitches after them and the Braves bullpen has problems. Enjoy 3rd place. |
Hmmmm....the Braves bullpen has problems? The Braves led the N.L. East in team ERA last year. Braves 4.11....Mets 4.26....Phillies....4.73. Yeah, I guess our bullpen must really suck. :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Again mbrin shows his genius.
You dont think Johan going from the AL to NL is going to help his numbers? But of course, you dont take that into consideration. :rofl: |
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| meetthemets |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
:lol:
A new one and a good one :rofl: |
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| meetthemets |
| I love when he uses stats to pad his argument. Innings pitched, Hits + runs scored, meanwhile he ignores the biggest stat of all that the Braves finished in 3rd place. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by meetthemets
I love when he uses stats to pad his argument. Innings pitched, Hits + runs scored, meanwhile he ignores the biggest stat of all that the Braves finished in 3rd place. |
Little Meat if I don't use stats (i.e. facts) what should I use? Tarot Cards. Crystal Ball. Pull complete shit out of my ass like Queenie???
Bottom Line: Neither the Mets or Braves made the playoffs last year. What's the fucking difference? The schedule is unbalanced so that's not really an accurate reflection either. For example, while Philly was playing Kansas City and other A.L. scrubs the Mets were playing the Yankees twice and the Braves were playing Boston twice. The Phillies scrub A.L. schedule was probably the difference between the Mets making the playoffs and not making the playoffs....wouldn't you agree?
I use stats because it's factual and can't be disputed. The numbers are the numbers. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Actually the Phillies sucked vs. the AL even if it was against the Royals. Phillies won the division because they won pretty much every game down the stretch against the Mets including two sweeps. |
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| GRATEFUL DEAD |
Santana had an off year, and the Phils had a lot of injuries, the Marlins have some good young arms, and the Braves are showing their age.
Should be a GRATE race this year..................... |
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| JasonS |
Quote: Originally posted by GRATEFUL DEAD
Santana had an off year, and the Phils had a lot of injuries, the Marlins have some good young arms, and the Braves are showing their age.
Should be a GRATE race this year..................... |
Did Santana have an off year or is this what the Mets should expect? Also, does anyone else question his age? We all know how players from Latin and South America have had age questions about them before and I have a hard time believing he is only 28 and going to be 29 in March while already having pitched for 8 years in the majors. Hmm. No doubt he is a good pitcher, but he gave up quite a few homeruns the last 4 years (24, 22, 24, 33) while pitching in a pretty good pitchers park in Minnesota.
As far as the Braves showing their age, unless you are referring to their starting pitching staff, then you are way off base. The Braves have young players at every major position except for 3rd where Chipper, age 35, is. McCann, 23, is a young guy behind the plate. Kelly Johnson, 25, is playing second. Escobar, 25, is young at short. Teixeira is only 27 and in his prime at first. Diaz, 29, is playing left field. Francoeur, 24, is a young player. Kotsay is the elder statesman in the outfield at 32. They are the youngest they have been in years. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by JasonS
Did Santana have an off year or is this what the Mets should expect? Also, does anyone else question his age? We all know how players from Latin and South America have had age questions about them before and I have a hard time believing he is only 28 and going to be 29 in March while already having pitched for 8 years in the majors. Hmm. No doubt he is a good pitcher, but he gave up quite a few homeruns the last 4 years (24, 22, 24, 33) while pitching in a pretty good pitchers park in Minnesota.
As far as the Braves showing their age, unless you are referring to their starting pitching staff, then you are way off base. The Braves have young players at every major position except for 3rd where Chipper, age 35, is. McCann, 23, is a young guy behind the plate. Kelly Johnson, 25, is playing second. Escobar, 25, is young at short. Teixeira is only 27 and in his prime at first. Diaz, 29, is playing left field. Francoeur, 24, is a young player. Kotsay is the elder statesman in the outfield at 32. They are the youngest they have been in years. |
Dont the Braves have a few players from Central and S America.. Why dont you question their age?
You obviously are not very smart. Even if your born in S or Central American, you still have birth records and govt records. The people who dont are people from Cuba and dictatoriship countries. When you are from one of those countries and your a star athlete the govt takes all your papers so you can not defect. That is why when they get to the majors nobody knows their age. Over 50% of MLB players are from S and C American, does that mean we have everybody birthday wrong? Oh yeah, you just like to imply it on the Mets!!
Any other genius statements :rolleyes: |
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| Maximus06 |
| the Mets have obviously improved themselves...Philly is debatable.....What has Atlanta done besides lose Andruw? OOOOhhh they got Glavine...that's going to do nothing for them :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Dont forget, the Braves also lost arguably their best hitter for 3/4 of last season in Renteria. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| I think that Philly is taking a big gamble on moving to Lidge as their closer. And you don't want to keep moving Meyers back and forth in different roles. Smoltz is more the exception than the rule in my opinion. All things considerred, I think the overall pitching staffs are 1) the Mets 2) the Braves and 3) the Phillies although I think that the Phils and Braves are almost the same in my mind, both have holes. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Myers is staying as a starter and if Lidge struggles then Gordon or Madson will be the closer. Myers would of stayed as a closer if there were any good starting pitching available this offseason. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I think that Philly is taking a big gamble on moving to Lidge as their closer. And you don't want to keep moving Meyers back and forth in different roles. Smoltz is more the exception than the rule in my opinion. All things considerred, I think the overall pitching staffs are 1) the Mets 2) the Braves and 3) the Phillies although I think that the Phils and Braves are almost the same in my mind, both have holes. |
I love this guy. A honest Phillies fan. Guys like you make me feel bad that I wish such bad things on the other Phillies fans!! |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I love this guy. A honest Phillies fan. Guys like you make me feel bad that I wish such bad things on the other Phillies fans!! |
He is a Philly hater like you not a fan. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| oh, my bad then. I thought he was an honest fan. Now I know why I loved him so much! |
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| JasonS |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Dont the Braves have a few players from Central and S America.. Why dont you question their age?
You obviously are not very smart. Even if your born in S or Central American, you still have birth records and govt records. The people who dont are people from Cuba and dictatoriship countries. When you are from one of those countries and your a star athlete the govt takes all your papers so you can not defect. That is why when they get to the majors nobody knows their age. Over 50% of MLB players are from S and C American, does that mean we have everybody birthday wrong? Oh yeah, you just like to imply it on the Mets!!
Any other genius statements :rolleyes: |
Yeah ok man I'm not very smart. I guarantee you I am way more intelligent than your dumb ass. I have read enough of your posts to know.
What country is Danny Almonte from? Answer: The Dominican Republic. What political system of government do they have? Answer: Representative Democracy. What system of government do we have in the US? Answer: Representative Democracy. How is this relevant? Answer: Danny Almonte's birth certificate said he was younger than he actually was. The point is, frauds like this do happen and not just in Cuba or other dictatorships. The reason I bring this up with Santana is because he looks a lot fucking older than 28 and if he was really more like 33 or 34, his value on the open market would decrease considerably. With baseball having guaranteed contracts, "being younger" can have a significant financial effect on a player's contract. By the way, I could give two shits about the Mets so your argument that I like to "imply" it just to the Mets is retarded, much like yourself.
The Braves have 1 player in their starting line-up from Central and South America and that is Escobar. It says he is 25. Is he? Maybe. I don't know just like I don't know about Santana. The difference is that Escobar doesn't look like he is much older than 25 if he isn't 25. You can close your eyes to this, but this is actually a pretty big deal with Major League scouts. They do all the research possible on these guys to get a gauge on their age. You are one of those fans that can't look at their team from an objective standpoint. Your team is perfect in your eyes and that's all that matters. Get a fucking life and open your eyes. Sports aren't as pure as people would like them to be.
And by the way, I am a Reds fan and I wasn't "implying it on the Mets." Did you mean that I just like to apply it to the Mets? You are a moron. Learn the English language bright guy. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Do you have any points to make?
I have never seen more words make ZERO points!!
Your comment was ludicrious, just like your 1000 word response. That sort of sums it up :hw: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Who gives a shit about "starters". The Braves have plenty of people from S&C America that you just happened to "leave out".
How bout :
Manny Acosta
Jairo Cuevas
Rafael Soriano
Brayan Pena
Omar Infante
Gregor Blanco
I guess you forget them! What is better, is the only example you can give is one in which an ADULT committed a crime and forged the documents. I would think teams do some homework to make sure they are not dealing with forged documents before they enter into contracts work $100,000,000+.
But again, tell me how smart you are. You would sign contracts and not do any type of homework!! :jj: |
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| meetthemets |
Quote: Originally posted by JasonS
Did Santana have an off year or is this what the Mets should expect? Also, does anyone else question his age? We all know how players from Latin and South America have had age questions about them before and I have a hard time believing he is only 28 and going to be 29 in March while already having pitched for 8 years in the majors. Hmm. No doubt he is a good pitcher, but he gave up quite a few homeruns the last 4 years (24, 22, 24, 33) while pitching in a pretty good pitchers park in Minnesota.
As far as the Braves showing their age, unless you are referring to their starting pitching staff, then you are way off base. The Braves have young players at every major position except for 3rd where Chipper, age 35, is. McCann, 23, is a young guy behind the plate. Kelly Johnson, 25, is playing second. Escobar, 25, is young at short. Teixeira is only 27 and in his prime at first. Diaz, 29, is playing left field. Francoeur, 24, is a young player. Kotsay is the elder statesman in the outfield at 32. They are the youngest they have been in years. |
Considering this is a pitching thread then yes he was probably talking about pitching. I love how a 29 year-old Santana is old but a 29 year-old Diaz is young. It all starts with pitching. Did you happen to catch Glavine's last game, for all the marbles? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Glavine's last game? He was bad his last 5 games!! |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
I use stats because it's factual and can't be disputed. The numbers are the numbers. |
Your Santana stats can be disputed.
His numbers are gonna get better 1) b/c he's moving to the National League, and 2) you can't hit for shit in Shea, the air is thick and the fence is far.
Expect his numbers to get great fast. |
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| meetthemets |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
I use stats because it's factual and can't be disputed. The numbers are the numbers. |
You use stats that help your argument. If a guy goes 0-4 one day it doesn't mean he's going to hit .000 for the season. Stats don't predict the future numbnuts. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by meetthemets
You use stats that help your argument. If a guy goes 0-4 one day it doesn't mean he's going to hit .000 for the season. Stats don't predict the future numbnuts. |
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Stats don't predict future numbers????
Okay....why did the Mets pay Santana $150,000,000.00 dollars if stats don't predict future numbers? Are the Mutts paying out that kind of money because they think Santana has pretty eyes or a nice personality? :rolleyes: Fucking moron. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Your Santana stats can be disputed.
His numbers are gonna get better 1) b/c he's moving to the National League, and 2) you can't hit for shit in Shea, the air is thick and the fence is far.
Expect his numbers to get great fast. |
Queenie you're right there with tiny meat in the stupidity challenge. Is the air thick at Shea because you're in the barkpark...or is it just a unique atmospheric condition that only hovers over Shea stadium???? Oh, and you can't hit for shit at Shea. Hmmmmm. Right. Tell that to Chipper Jones. He fucking owns Shea Stadium.
The Santana hype is fucking ridiculous. The guy was 15-13 last year. His home run numbers were way up. He's good....but by the numbers he wasn't as good as Tim Hudson or John Smoltz. Yet you little Mutts fans think he's the second coming of Christ. I can't wait to see the Mutts shit-the-bed again and see their arrogant fans crawl under a rock when they lose. You remember. Just like last year when you disappeared to lick your wounds.
Like I told you....the Mutts have one decent season a decade. It's been that way since I started following baseball. The Mutts decent season was two years ago. I predict the next one will be 2015. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Dont the Braves have a few players from Central and S America.. Why dont you question their age?
You obviously are not very smart. Even if your born in S or Central American, you still have birth records and govt records. The people who dont are people from Cuba and dictatoriship countries. When you are from one of those countries and your a star athlete the govt takes all your papers so you can not defect. That is why when they get to the majors nobody knows their age. Over 50% of MLB players are from S and C American, does that mean we have everybody birthday wrong? Oh yeah, you just like to imply it on the Mets!!
Any other genius statements :rolleyes: |
I just couldn't resist. Another example of Queenie pulling complete shit out of his ass. So over 50% of all MLB players are from S and C America. Right...... Prove it Queenie, or otherwise just admit...as usual....you're full of it. (Disclaimer: We all know you won't respond to this because, well, you really are complete full of shit. :D ). |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
I just couldn't resist. Another example of Queenie pulling complete shit out of his ass. So over 50% of all MLB players are from S and C America. Right...... Prove it Queenie, or otherwise just admit...as usual....you're full of it. (Disclaimer: We all know you won't respond to this because, well, you really are complete full of shit. :D ). |
Prove to me that anything I said was false. Find me a stat and prove me wrong.
Ill be waiting :hw: |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| I liked the Phillies when I was growing up back in the dreadful late 80's, but then I realized that the organization cared more about the Sunday give-aways and the furry green mascot than the product on the field. So in my opinion I am an all around baseball fan that tries to be on the truthful side rather than looking at a team through rose colored glasses. I used to like them when they tried to make big splashes in free agency by signing guys like Greg Jefferies rather than trying to get the best "bargains" in free agency. I am a fan of the MLB product and if you have ever read my posts you would see that I am not a Phillies hater, just a guy saying what he thinks is the truth. And I think guys like A.Lange=crazy is the type of guy that praised the Phillies for locking up a nucleus that included guys like Burrell, Abreu, and Lieberthal several years ago and are now criticizing them for doing so. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| I fucking loved Greg Jeffries when he was on the Mets. I even waited hours outside a batting cage to get his autograph. I bet the pen is worth more now a days! |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I liked the Phillies when I was growing up back in the dreadful late 80's, but then I realized that the organization cared more about the Sunday give-aways and the furry green mascot than the product on the field. So in my opinion I am an all around baseball fan that tries to be on the truthful side rather than looking at a team through rose colored glasses. I used to like them when they tried to make big splashes in free agency by signing guys like Greg Jefferies rather than trying to get the best "bargains" in free agency. I am a fan of the MLB product and if you have ever read my posts you would see that I am not a Phillies hater, just a guy saying what he thinks is the truth. And I think guys like A.Lange=crazy is the type of guy that praised the Phillies for locking up a nucleus that included guys like Burrell, Abreu, and Lieberthal several years ago and are now criticizing them for doing so. |
You might be telling the truth, but every post I see is bashing the Phillies.
I agreed locking up Burrell though it looks like a bad move now, but Abreu was a bad deal and Lieberthal was horrible especially with being a catcher. Your right though they only care about making money and I'm hoping they sell the team soon. |
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| mbrin_61 |
I'll try this once more Queenie. You claimed 50% of all MLB players are from South or Central America. I'm calling you a a liar. I'm saying you...as usual....pulled it completely out of your ass. Let me repeat. YOU ARE A LIAR.
Okay Queenie, if you're a man prove me wrong....or admit you pulled it completely out of your ass. No Deflecting. Did you lie or pull it out of your ass? Oh....and I will be waiting. :D
Queenie post 2/8/08 2:12pm
"Over 50% of MLB players are from S and C America....... "
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
I'll try this once more Queenie. You claimed 50% of all MLB players are from South or Central America. I'm calling you a a liar. I'm saying you...as usual....pulled it completely out of your ass. Let me repeat. YOU ARE A LIAR.
Okay Queenie, if you're a man prove me wrong....or admit you pulled it completely out of your ass. No Deflecting. Did you lie or pull it out of your ass? Oh....and I will be waiting. :D
Queenie post 2/8/08 2:12pm
"Over 50% of MLB players are from S and C America....... " |
So prove me wrong...Unlike you, I wont disappear when I am wrong. Ill wait :hw: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So prove me wrong...Unlike you, I wont disappear when I am wrong. Ill wait :hw: |
Lying douche. How Predictable. I called you out....and you pussied out. :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
How am I lying? I did not disappear, I am still here.
Just prove me wrong and Ill bow down to your ass...Come on, prove me wrong.
Ill wait :hw: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
How am I lying? I did not disappear, I am still here.
Just prove me wrong and Ill bow down to your ass...Come on, prove me wrong.
Ill wait :hw: |
I AM CALLING YOU A LIAR. YOU MADE THE SHIT UP. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Wrong, the burden of proof is on you. I know what I am saying is the truth, you claim it isnt. So prove me wrong.
Im still here waiting :hw:
P.S I can tell I am pissing you off ,since now you are yelling :jj: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Wrong, the burden of proof is on you. I know what I am saying is the truth, you claim it isnt. So prove me wrong.
Im still here waiting :hw:
P.S I can tell I am pissing you off ,since now you are yelling :jj: |
You lied. I'm saying you made the shit up. You have no facts to back it up. Anyone who reads this knows you lied. Pathetic.... :rolleyes: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
So just to be clear...... you have nothing to prove me wrong, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT :jj:
Im still waiting :hw: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So just to be clear...... you have nothing to prove me wrong, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT :jj:
Im still waiting :hw: |
I don't need to prove anything. I'm calling you a liar. You made the shit up. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
If I made it up, you will have no problem proving me wrong.
Im still waiting:hw: :rofl: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If I made it up, you will have no problem proving me wrong.
Im still waiting:hw: :rofl: |
I don't have to prove anything. I'm calling you a liar and a bullshitter. If you're okay with that keep saying the same stupid shit. Otherwise back up your "facts." |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
You can call me anything you want. Coming from you, I actually take it as a compliment!!
So have anything to prove me wrong yet?? Im still waiting :hw: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
You can call me anything you want. Coming from you, I actually take it as a compliment!!
So have anything to prove me wrong yet?? Im still waiting :hw: |
You're a liar. The proof is in your statements. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Im a liar that you cant prove wrong, huh?
That speaks volumes about yourself :jj: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Im a liar that you cant prove wrong, huh?
That speaks volumes about yourself :jj: |
I'm saying you made the shit up and it isn't true. I'm saying you pulled it out of your ass. I'm calling you a liar and a bullshitter. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
ok I was doing a little online research and came across this. it's the 2006 Racial and Gender Report Card for MLB by the University of Central Florida (don't know about 2007 numbers.) Here is the link to the findings and you can go down to page 14 and there is a breakdown by percentages and numbers of the racial breakdown of MLB players since 1991.
http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public...06_RGRC_MLB.pdf
But to summarize the breakdown for 2006 was : white - 59.5%
int'l - 31%
latino - 29.4%
black - 8.4%
asian - 2.4%
other - 0.3% |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
ok I was doing a little online research and came across this. it's the 2006 Racial and Gender Report Card for MLB by the University of Central Florida (don't know about 2007 numbers.) Here is the link to the findings and you can go down to page 14 and there is a breakdown by percentages and numbers of the racial breakdown of MLB players since 1991.
http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public...06_RGRC_MLB.pdf
But to summarize the breakdown for 2006 was : white - 59.5%
int'l - 31%
latino - 29.4%
black - 8.4%
asian - 2.4%
other - 0.3% |
Thanks dude. I knew that, but I wasn't about to bail Queenie out with his bullshit. It's really not a big thing to me that he pulled it out of his ass....it's the fact he does it so often and then tries to bulldoze people who don't agree with him.
Thanks again for providing the facts. Peace. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
What does the international number mean?
Add up the intl number and the latin number and your at over 50%.
Thanks :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Jimmy, thanks for proving me right...AGAIN :D |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| the only thing that is kind of hazy is the International number, that wasn't really broken down from my quick skim of the report. maybe King was referring to the fact that a total of 42% of players a "people of color" |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Your the man Jimmy. Keep up the great work!! :D |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| just for my own curisoty I may email and ask about who is included in the "International" percentage. ill be back if I get an answer in the next few days. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Thanks again Jimmy. Keep us updated if you get any info! |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Thanks again Jimmy. Keep us updated if you get any info! |
King where did you get the "50% of MLB Players are from South and Central America."
I think we'd all like to look at your source of information. Do Tell????
P.S. International would include anyone outside the U.S. Like Japan, Korea, Latin America, etc. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Queenie, we're all still breathlessly waiting for the source of your "50% of all MLB player are from S and C America."
I would really love to look up the information. :)
Thanks in advance. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
I just sent an email to one of the co-authors of the report, Richard Lapchick. He is the Director of DeVos Sport Business Management for the UCF.Here is what I sent:
Dear Mr. Lapchick,
Hello. I have a question about your 2006 RGRC for MLB. In the Appendix I breakdown of MLB players, you had "International" as 31%. Who exactly is part of that category of players? A few of us are having a disagreement about what various ethnicities are include. Thank you for your response.
Sincerely,
Jim Ritt*********
N**** W****, PA |
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| meetthemets |
| I've been to N**** W****, PA. Beautiful this time of year. :D |
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| jimmyritt33 |
while the originality of the argument started over the truth in the birth records of players born in South and Central America, this thread has turned into an argument over the "over 50%" mark that King mentioned. according to Wikipedia.org the term "Latino" has language in it stating :
In the United States, the term is in official use in the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino, defined as "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."
While that makes King's original argument come into question, in his original statement he brought into question the true birth ages of those players. It is pretty well documented that some players forge their birth records to prevent MLB teams from taking a pass on them because of their ages. Who knows if the backwards countries they come from have a true valid birth record. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
Quote: Originally posted by meetthemets
I've been to N**** W****, PA. Beautiful this time of year. :D |
why yes it is, just a little chilly for my taste. i'd rather be in T****, Florida right now. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
P.S. International would include anyone outside the U.S. Like Japan, Korea, Latin America, etc. |
I don't quite get this "P.S" because I am assuming that Japan and Korea would be in the "Asian" portion. Maybe a typo on your part. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
while the originality of the argument started over the truth in the birth records of players born in South and Central America, this thread has turned into an argument over the "over 50%" mark that King mentioned. according to Wikipedia.org the term "Latino" has language in it stating :
In the United States, the term is in official use in the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino, defined as "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."
While that makes King's original argument come into question, in his original statement he brought into question the true birth ages of those players. It is pretty well documented that some players forge their birth records to prevent MLB teams from taking a pass on them because of their ages. Who knows if the backwards countries they come from have a true valid birth record. |
Actually, another poster was making the point that Santana my not really be his stated age. Queenie took great offense at this and pulled the "50% of MLB players are from S and C America" line out of his ass.
I agree with your point , though. Rafael Furcal is a classic example. And by the way....he's not from S or C America. He's from the Dominican Republic which is the Carribbean.
I don't know of a lot of players from S or C America. I know there are a few from Panama, Columbia, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. But 50% of all MLB players. Be fucking real. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I don't quite get this "P.S" because I am assuming that Japan and Korea would be in the "Asian" portion. Maybe a typo on your part. |
And I'm assuming S and C America would be included under Latino. Wouldn't you??? I don't think they're Eskimos. :) |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| I was just a little confused, maybe you were being sarcastic. You stated "International would include anyone outside the U.S. Like Japan, Korea, Latin America, etc" And just the few places you named made up 2 different parts of the study, Latino and Asian. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
ok I was doing a little online research and came across this. it's the 2006 Racial and Gender Report Card for MLB by the University of Central Florida (don't know about 2007 numbers.) Here is the link to the findings and you can go down to page 14 and there is a breakdown by percentages and numbers of the racial breakdown of MLB players since 1991.
http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public...06_RGRC_MLB.pdf
But to summarize the breakdown for 2006 was : white - 59.5%
int'l - 31%
latino - 29.4%
black - 8.4%
asian - 2.4%
other - 0.3% |
Dude,
I think I figured it out. Latino 29% and Asian 2% equals 31% International. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| I just picked up on that me self. If this is the way it's supposed to be interpreted, it couldn't have been smacking me in the face any harder. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I was just a little confused, maybe you were being sarcastic. You stated "International would include anyone outside the U.S. Like Japan, Korea, Latin America, etc" And just the few places you named made up 2 different parts of the study, Latino and Asian. |
Add up Latino and Asian. Appears to total up to the International Number.
But let me ask your opinion, do you personally believe 50% of MLB players are from Venezula, Columbia, Panama etc... i.e. S and C America? Again, this would exclude players from the Caribbean or Mexico which are obviously not S and C America. What's your thought?
P.S. Queenie's source would also clear this whole debate right up. If there is a credible source to support his claim I will happily concede. |
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| mbrin_61 |
Queenie,
Maybe I been really unfair to you. I will truly and sincerely apologize if I was wrong in saying you pulled the "50% of all MLB players are from S and C America" thing out of your ass. Let's clear this thing up and move on. Just let us know your source so we can put this thing to bed. Okay?
Thanks Buddy. :) |
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| jimmyritt33 |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
Add up Latino and Asian. Appears to total up to the International Number.
But let me ask your opinion, do you personally believe 50% of MLB players are from Venezula, Columbia, Panama etc... i.e. S and C America? Again, this would exclude players from the Caribbean or Mexico which are obviously not S and C America. What's your thought?
P.S. Queenie's source would also clear this whole debate right up. If there is a credible source to support his claim I will happily concede. |
I think that 50% is a high number, but I think most people, perhaps you included, have at times inflated numbers in arguments just to pump up there case. I think the study I posted discredited the King's 50% number. It's a silly argument in my opinion.
But the term "Latino" indicates that the person is of Latin Amercian descent or speaks a laguage from this area. Depending on who you speak to the Caribbean and Mexico, along with the Dominican Rep. and Puerto Rico,etc. In the study it refers to "Latino" and if you look up Latin America on Wikipedia every country south of the US border is included.
There is no question that very soon, baseball will not be the game that it once was racially wise, much like the US population. |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| wait a second, if you look at page 14 of the link I provided, the numbers don't add up. if they are adding 350 latino, 29 asian, and 3 other, that doesn't add up to the 368 international that they have. while there is a footnote about the %'s not adding up to the 100% due to rounding, it doesn't account for the total number of players. hmm? I guess i'll have to wait for a response from the author, if I get one. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Jimmy,
Please keep us updated with the response from the author. That will solve the problem. Regardless I appreciate your help in proving my case. You did great! |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Jimmy,
Please keep us updated with the response from the author. That will solve the problem. Regardless I appreciate your help in proving my case. You did great! |
It proved you lied, nitwit.. or can't you read English. Let me put Jimmy's response in bold so you can try again. This time try reading it without breathing through your mouth.
"I think that 50% is a high number, but I think most people, perhaps you included, have at times inflated numbers in arguments just to pump up there case. I think the study I posted discredited the King's 50% number."
Queenie, I wait anxiously for your the "facts" to support your statement. Otherwise you're a lying sack-o-shit. :D |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by jimmyritt33
I think that 50% is a high number, but I think most people, perhaps you included, have at times inflated numbers in arguments just to pump up there case. I think the study I posted discredited the King's 50% number. It's a silly argument in my opinion.
But the term "Latino" indicates that the person is of Latin Amercian descent or speaks a laguage from this area. Depending on who you speak to the Caribbean and Mexico, along with the Dominican Rep. and Puerto Rico,etc. In the study it refers to "Latino" and if you look up Latin America on Wikipedia every country south of the US border is included.
There is no question that very soon, baseball will not be the game that it once was racially wise, much like the US population. |
I agreed with your comments above....but the specific claim was "50% of MLB players are from S and C America." Not 50% are Latino. I"m sure you see the distinction. In either case 50% of MLB players are certainly not Latino, and of that subset, without question 50% are not from S and C America. The point is if you quote stats don't pull information out of thin air. My guess is that your precision on this topic probably indicates you like things to be accurate. So do I. :) |
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| meetthemets |
| Why are you so hung up on this 50% argument? So the number was 30%. WGAF. :rolleyes: |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by meetthemets
Why are you so hung up on this 50% argument? So the number was 30%. WGAF. :rolleyes: |
Look, I just wanna talk baseball. This is a sports forum. If people disagree, that's fine. But it sucks if certain people will never concede a point and make shit up when there on the wrong side of a discussion. Tell you what, let's bury the hatchet and enjoy the upcoming season. I like the give and take to a point but this is ridiculous. Since this is a Howard Stern Fan Site, Mets and Yankees fans will dominate. That's okay too, unless all other opinions are shut out. Personally, I think it will be a tight three way race in the N.L. East. Preseason I think you have to give Philly the nod. The Braves and Phillies have the best position players, the Mets potentially have the best pitching. All three teams in the Division have a fairly equal shot to win the Division. That's been my consistent opinion. If others disagree, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Okay? :) |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| actions speak louder then words |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
actions speak louder then words |
To be real for a moment.....I tried to bury the hatchet with you about a month ago. Seemed to work for about a month until you fried me again. I'll give it one more try. From this point forward....no more bullshit toward you from me. Agreed? Let me know. |
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| meetthemets |
Quote: Originally posted by mbrin_61
Look, I just wanna talk baseball. This is a sports forum. If people disagree, that's fine. But it sucks if certain people will never concede a point and make shit up when there on the wrong side of a discussion. |
:lol: :lol: Hello pot, I'm kettle :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones, just realize that you were one of the worst offenders when it comes to everything you just mentioned. If you want to talk shit when you're up, then don't run away when you're down. If you want to talk baseball, then talk baseball. You rarely have a point to make and are usually just around to harass people and get under their skin. If you are serious in what you say then walk the walk. |
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| cruz1785 |
| NL West rotations are far superior |
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| mbrin_61 |
Quote: Originally posted by meetthemets
:lol: :lol: Hello pot, I'm kettle :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones, just realize that you were one of the worst offenders when it comes to everything you just mentioned. If you want to talk shit when you're up, then don't run away when you're down. If you want to talk baseball, then talk baseball. You rarely have a point to make and are usually just around to harass people and get under their skin. If you are serious in what you say then walk the walk. |
Ditto, tiny meat. :) |
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