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| Apoc13 |
this is from esquire...
1986
Roger Clemens wins his first Cy Young and the AL MVP, prompting Hall of Famer Hank Aaron to opine that pitchers should not be eligible for the MVP, since they don't play every day. Clemens thoughtfully responds, “I wish he were still playing. I'd probably crack his head open to show him how valuable I was.” While everyone attributes Boston's devastating collapse in the World Series to Bill Buckner's error in Game 6, few remember Clemens gave himself the hook in the game, telling manager John McNamara, “That’s all I can pitch.” Clemens later informs the press: “My blister was at a point where I couldn't finish off my slider. I didn't want to hang my slider and jeopardize the team. But I thought I did my job.”
1987
Roger ranks among the top ten in hit batters for the first time, plunking nine.
1988
McNamara gets fired. Suddenly, Clemens reverses his story, throwing his old skipper under the bus and saying he never wanted to leave Game 6 after all. This pattern of being "injured" in big games follows Clemens for the rest of his career, with Roger disappointing in a crucial postseason start and suddenly revealing he has a bad back/pulled hamstring/scurvy.
1990
“If someone met me on a game day, he wouldn't like me. The days in between, I'm the goodest guy you can find,” states Clemens. He proves the first part true when he takes the mound in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series against Oakland and lasts two innings before being ejected for threatening umpire Terry Cooney ("I'm gonna find out where you live and come get you this winter"). This is actually quite mild compared to what he said to Oakland pitcher and recovering alcoholic Bob Welch: “Have another beer. Be a man. Stop drinking milk.” Ah, Roger at his goodest.
1995
Roger reaches another milestone, leading the league in hit batsmen for the first time with 14.
1996
Insisting the only thing that would make him leave Boston is a desire to play closer to his Texas home, Clemens decides to join the Toronto Blue Jays. Despite this, Clemens graciously expresses great fondness for the Red Sox, noting his former teammates are “distraught” and “on their way out the door.”
1997
After four mediocre seasons, Clemens returns to form, winning his fourth Cy Young Award and ranking among the top ten in the league in hit batsmen for the seventh time.
1998
Clemens slumps again, starting the season with a mediocre 9-6 record and a 3.55 ERA. Meanwhile, Brian McNamee joins Toronto as the Blue Jay’s strength and conditioning coach. They begin to work together and Clemens goes 11-0 with a 1.71 ERA to close the season. Clemens will later sum up the contributions of his trainer by saying simply, “He’s one of a kind.”
1999
Clemens is traded to the New York Yankees and quickly realizes he loves his new team so much he announces he will only permit the Hall of Fame to induct him if allowed to enter as a Yankee: “I play 20 years, work my tail off, they're not going to tell me what hat I'm wearing. I promise you that. There might be a vacant seat there. I'll take my mother and we'll go to Palm Springs and invite all y'all and we'll have our own celebration.” Because Roger Clemens' mother + Palm Springs = Par-tay!
2000
An irate Clemens throws a piece of a broken bat at Mike Piazza during the World Series. Maintaining total innocence, Roger offers the perfectly plausible explanation that he just wanted to toss the bat “towards our on-deck circle, where our batboys were at.” Then he offers the equally perfectly plausible explanation that he “thought [the bat] was the ball.” Finally, he concludes, “To be honest with you, I didn't know if it was the bat or the ball,” putting the matter to rest forever.
2003
Clemens fulfills his dream of retiring as a Yankee, declaring in his farewell address, “The fans are second-to-none in New York” and when asked if there’s a scenario in which he’d return to baseball replies, “No scenario. I’m retired.”
2004
Turns out New York fans are actually second to the ones in Houston. “Any individual has the right to change his mind, and I don't know if I really did change my mind,” Clemens declares after changing his mind and joining the Astros. “There was so much good to doing this. With the overwhelming response since Andy [Pettite] signed here, that made all the difference. It's pretty much as simple as that.” (Also, a local radio station promises Clemens a Humvee.) To drive home Clemens’ loyalty to Houston, his agent adds, “He would not have played anywhere else.”
2006
Clemens brings some good old-fashioned American charm to the inaugural World Baseball Classic, observing, “None of the dry cleaners were open, they were all at the game, Japan and Korea. So we couldn't get any dry cleaning done out there, but I guess the neatest thing is that 50,000 of them were at Anaheim Stadium.” Japan winds up winning the WBC and Korea reaches the semifinals, while the un-dry-cleaned U.S. team is eliminated after Clemens loses to Mexico.
2007
Clemens decides the Yankees are second to none, after all, and rejoins the team he spurned three years earlier. He consoles Astro fans by musing, “I don't know who is mad down there. I poured my heart out there, just like Andy did. Their team is going to be fine.” For a bargain basement price of $18.7 million, Roger goes 6-6 with a 4.18 ERA -- yes, that is over $3.1 million per victory -- and lasts 2 and 1/3 innings with an 11.57 ERA in his lone playoff start.
2008
Roger appears with Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes to defend himself against the Mitchell Report charges. Insisting he would never go for the “quick fix” of illegal drugs -- on a completely unrelated note, he recalls a period when “I was eating Vioxx like it was Skittles” -- he is calm and collected as he addresses the allegations. Just kidding, he remains true to himself and goes apeshit: “I’m angry that that what I’ve done for the game of baseball and the personal, in my private life, what I’ve done that I don’t get the benefit of the doubt. The stuff that’s being said, it’s ridiculous. It’s hogwash for people to even assume this. 24, 25 years, Mike. You’d think I’d get an inch of respect. An inch.” |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
lol, thats a good read.
I love how Pussy will argue until he is blue in the face that Roger does not have a history of LYING also :rofl: |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
lol, thats a good read.
I love how Pussy will argue until he is blue in the face that Roger does not have a history of LYING also :rofl: |
you really are a dickhead. I said I think he took steroids. I jsut said these syringes and needles seem like bullshit |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
you really are a dickhead. I said I think he took steroids. I jsut said these syringes and needles seem like bullshit |
You said:
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
5)Mcnamme's credibility can be questioned. Didn't he give a girl a date rape drug?
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Well I guess this proves that Clemens credibility can be questioned also......RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT :D |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
You said:
Well I guess this proves that Clemens credibility can be questioned also......RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT :D |
how about this that you just I guess by accident left out.
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
Do I think Clemens took steroids-yes
-Do I think Mcnamee told thetruth about Clemens or Pettite taking steroids?-Yes |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
lol, so then you admit you have retarded logic....
So you think McNamee is telling the truth about Clemens and Pettite taking steroids but then in the next sentence you say "Mcnamme's credibility can be questioned."
Which is it buddy? |
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| Pussah2 |
| I am saying these syringes are bullshit. Yes thats exactly what i am saying |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
So your saying everything McNamee was saying was truthful. Until now.... He decided he was going to manufacture evidence that when discovered will put him in jail!!
Makes sense to me!!!
Thank god you are not my father buddy. You know I love you but you have some damn retarded logic!! :rolleyes: |
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| Pussah2 |
| if this was no fabricated he should have given it to Senator Mitchell. All of a sudden after the tape, these needles and syringes show up |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
McNamee obviously did not want to play hardball. He wanted to do the bare minimum to keep his ass out of prison.
Then Roger decided to play hardball. So McNamee does what he has to do.
if they are fabricated, then that will be proven true very quickly and easily. I dont think they are though. How about a little bit of a wager? I say everything McNamee game them is authentic. How bout a $50 wager?
Put your $$ where your mouth is :D
EDIT: I moved this wager over to our own thread. Respond to me in there |
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| elroyjonz |
| The Texas Con Man. Will McDonough had him pegged in the mid 80's and took alot of shit for it. Never has a sportswriter been so correct. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by elroyjonz
The Texas Con Man. Will McDonough had him pegged in the mid 80's and took alot of shit for it. Never has a sportswriter been so correct. |
lol, I would love to see some of his old quotes. That would be priceless!! :D |
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| bonghitbobby |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
you really are a dickhead. I said I think he took steroids. I jsut said these syringes and needles seem like bullshit |
how are they bullshit? seems like a stroke of genius now, he knewRoger was a snake and would need evidence if ever charged, its called covering your ass. |
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| Pussah2 |
| does he have anyone else or jsut clemens |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
We dont know. Nobody else is suing him for defamation and calling him a liar.
Everybody else is admitting 100% what McNamee told them is true!! |
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| Pussah2 |
| i never denied that. this new evidence just seems freaking crazy. If knoblauch or pettite denied and called him a liar, does he have stuff for them too or he jsut happened to have roger clemens. |
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| Rammstein Musik |
| hey Apoc do you Red Sox fans hate Clemens with passion or is he just another player in MLB that you don't root for? i know fans hate a player when they abandon ship and leave on their own, i.e. A-Rod with the Mariners, but didn't Boston not want him anyway and that's why he signed with Toronto? i'm just wondering what Boston fans really think of him, even before this steroid crap. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
i never denied that. this new evidence just seems freaking crazy. If knoblauch or pettite denied and called him a liar, does he have stuff for them too or he jsut happened to have roger clemens. |
I am guessing he has stuff on them also. This is no crazier then Monica Lewinsky keeping her cum stained dress. It is called being smart and covering your ass. What did McNamee have to lose by holding on to them in a basement? The same thing Monica Lewinsky had to lose by holding onto her slut cum stained dress. NOTHING!!!
In the end, it might save them both. You should take a lesson. Its called thinking ahead and thinking of all the possibly consequences your actions could have. It could save you a lot of headaches!! :rolleyes: |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
hey Apoc do you Red Sox fans hate Clemens with passion or is he just another player in MLB that you don't root for? i know fans hate a player when they abandon ship and leave on their own, i.e. A-Rod with the Mariners, but didn't Boston not want him anyway and that's why he signed with Toronto? i'm just wondering what Boston fans really think of him, even before this steroid crap. |
Of course we Redsox fans hate Clemens. For me it was when he left Boston, saying he wanted to be closer to his family in Texas & then went to another country. He really has proven himself to be a piece of shit. Great summation, Apoc. |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Of course we Redsox fans hate Clemens. For me it was when he left Boston, saying he wanted to be closer to his family in Texas & then went to another country. He really has proven himself to be a piece of shit. Great summation, Apoc. |
yeah but didn't the Red Sox tell him that they thought his career was pretty much over and didn't want to resign him? so why care where he went? |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
yeah but didn't the Red Sox tell him that they thought his career was pretty much over and didn't want to resign him? so why care where he went? |
Well, I was no fan of Duquette, either but Clemens just comes off like an arrogant prick. I know I shouldn't be surprised by any pro athlete that is but I had other issues with him in Boston & him forsaking Houston or Texas for Canada just sealed the deal for me. |
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| DestroVega |
| That timeline is a little on the bash Clemens side... He didn't leave the Sox, they said he was washed-up... then he won a Cy Young, then he started using it seems. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Of course we Redsox fans hate Clemens. For me it was when he left Boston, saying he wanted to be closer to his family in Texas & then went to another country. He really has proven himself to be a piece of shit. Great summation, Apoc. |
Yeah I really have an issue with this because the Sox said he was finished, who cares where he went after that?
People should have a bigger problem with him going back to NY after Houston when he wanted to be close to home. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
then he won a Cy Young, then he started using it seems. |
Then he started using WITH MCNAMEE.
That does not mean he did not have a different contact before McNamee!! |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Yeah I really have an issue with this because the Sox said he was finished, who cares where he went after that?
People should have a bigger problem with him going back to NY after Houston when he wanted to be close to home. |
Him going to & declaring his undying love for the Yankees was just the last straw. If he really wanted to be closer to his home & his 5 sons who's names all begin with the letter K he should've never gone to Toronto. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
. If he really wanted to be closer to his home & his 5 sons who's names all begin with the letter K he should've never gone to Toronto. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Rammstein Musik
hey Apoc do you Red Sox fans hate Clemens with passion or is he just another player in MLB that you don't root for? i know fans hate a player when they abandon ship and leave on their own, i.e. A-Rod with the Mariners, but didn't Boston not want him anyway and that's why he signed with Toronto? i'm just wondering what Boston fans really think of him, even before this steroid crap. |
at the time, when he left, i wanted him gone....he was terrible for the sox his last season....everybody thought he was done...had he stayed he may not have had the career he had...i believe his leaving was a wakeup call for him
i hate clemens now mostly because he was so good and then went to the yankees and won there...same thing with johnny damon...loved him on the sox but when you go to the yankees all bets are off, you're now the enemy...people don;t hate pedro because he's with the mets, not the yankees
but roger was always difficult to like anyway, just because he's a prick |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Boston was still pissed at Pedro even though he went to the Mets. At least when he first signed!
I wish he brought his midget to NY. I guess they really did have that falling out. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Boston was still pissed at Pedro even though he went to the Mets. At least when he first signed!
I wish he brought his midget to NY. I guess they really did have that falling out. |
i wasn't pissed...i didn't want the sox to spend that much, especially with his injury history, 3 years? fine...4? no way...it looked bad at first but now it looks like the right decision. just like damon looked bad at first and now looks good...i have total faith in theo, 2 titles in 4 years...you can't argue with success |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Then he started using WITH MCNAMEE.
That does not mean he did not have a different contact before McNamee!! |
true... we'll never know probably. |
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