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| Pussah2 |
IT'S A SETUP
JOBA STARTS YEAR IN 'PEN
By JOEL SHERMAN
February 12, 2008 -- Joba ChamberlainJoba Chamberlain will prepare during spring training as a starter, but will begin the season in the Yankee bullpen barring injury to any of the other five main rotation members, team officials confirmed to The Post.
It had been speculated throughout the offseason that Chamberlain could open in the 'pen as a way to restrain his innings from going beyond the approximately 140 the organization wants to limit him to in 2008. The YanksNew York Yankees believe that at Chamberlain's age (22), he should not be asked to exceed his innings total of last year (112.1) by much more than 30 innings, or else he would be put at a greater likelihood for an arm injury.
But these new Joba Rules are not only about protecting Chamberlain's precious arm. The Yanks also want to use April and May as an audition for his successor. The idea would be to have a slate of young relievers work in the less pressurized sixth and seventh innings. The organizational hope is that someone from a group that could include Alan Horne, Jose VerasJose Veras , Edwar Ramirez and Ross Ohlendorf emerges in reliability and can graduate to the eighth-inning role when Chamberlain is transitioned back to the rotation.
The Yanks' ideal plan works in this fashion, according to executives briefed on the strategy:
1. Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy would stay healthy to form the rotation. All five would be needed from the outset because the Yanks have just two scheduled off-days from March 31 through May 4.
2. Chamberlain stabilizes the area the Yankees profess offers their greatest uncertainty in 2008: Their setup crew in front of Mariano Rivera. The Yanks envision Chamberlain dominating in the eighth based on his 0.38 ERA and .145 batting average against in 19 regular-season games as a reliever last year.
3. The Yanks see the Chamberlain/Rivera tandem helping them be a dominant late-inning team over the first two months of the season. At some point in June, the Yanks would send Chamberlain to the minors for 3-4 weeks to stretch him out to 5-6 innings in preparation to be a full-time starter in the second half.
4. The Yanks hope is that over the first two months other relievers show enough fortitude/reliability to be moved into the eighth inning. Only Kyle Farnsworth and LaTroy Hawkins are guaranteed jobs. The Yanks think Girardi, who was a Cub teammate of Farnsworth for three years, might help the talented righty find greater consistency and grab the eighth inning.
But the Yanks also plan to create a competition beginning in spring for relief jobs. And they are not just limiting the competition to relievers such as Veras, Chris Britton, Brian Bruney and Jonathan Albaladejo, and independent league finds with superb minor-league stats such as Ramirez and Scott Patterson. The Yanks are open to converting a starter with a big arm, as they did with Ohlendorf last year. Horne, Jeff Marquez, Daniel McCutcheon and Steven White will be considered.
The wild cards are Humberto Sanchez and Mark Melancon. They are viewed as having among the biggest arms in the organization. But both are returning from Tommy John surgery and would likely not even be under consideration until about when Chamberlain would be heading to the rotation. Melancon has just 62/3 innings of pro experience. But some Yankee executives are so enamored with his recovery, arm and, especially, his makeup that they think he could be this year's Chamberlain, rocketing through the entire system to the majors.
Of course, these plans are fragile. Pettitte must show his publicized link to HGH has not impacted his pitching. Mussina, 39, must demonstrate he has something left after a poor 2007. Hughes and Kennedy must prove they are ready to be major-league starters from the outset of the season. The Yanks must believe Horne, Marquez, Jeff Karstens or Kei Igawa can be an extra starter if need be early while Chamberlain relieves. Rivera must stay healthy so the Yanks are not tempted to move Chamberlain into the closing job.
And Chamberlain must be physically and mentally able to handle a unique proposition in which he will be asked to throw approximately 30-40 relief innings, be shuttled to the minors and then promoted to start for about another 90 or so innings. |
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| Maximus06 |
| best thing for him |
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| DestroVega |
| Thank God!... that bridge to Rivera is so damn important... and Joba himself could turn out to be closer material... good news to start the almost start of spring training. |
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| Petey Arms |
Team officials told the New York Post that the Yankees want to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings and will start him off in the pen as a result.
140 seems an awfully small number, but it's more realistic considering that they'd love to have him pitch an extra 30 or so during October. If they really want to keep him down that far, then he'd have to spend at least two full months in a setup role. Still, the Post believes the Yanks would still go with Chamberlain in the rotation initially if someone gets hurt during spring training. As is, Ian Kennedy would be the fifth starter.
Source: New York Post |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
| Definitely the right move. You have to groom this guy to take Rivera's place. One only need to look at whether the Red Sox did the right thing by putting Papelbon in the bullpen. If you have a guy with the mentality to close, which I believe Chamberlain has, then it's a no-brainer. How much longer does Mariano have to be an effective closer? He's supposedly 39, and all of these Hispanic dudes lie about their age. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Petey Arms
Team officials told the New York Post that the Yankees want to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings and will start him off in the pen as a result.
140 seems an awfully small number, but it's more realistic considering that they'd love to have him pitch an extra 30 or so during October. If they really want to keep him down that far, then he'd have to spend at least two full months in a setup role. Still, the Post believes the Yanks would still go with Chamberlain in the rotation initially if someone gets hurt during spring training. As is, Ian Kennedy would be the fifth starter.
Source: New York Post |
Mark my words, unless he is injured he will go over 140 innings! |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Damn |
Another great prediction by Nuge....Can you say loser? :jj: |
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| WhiteBoy |
someone explain to me why he is such a big story :scratch:
(aside from him playing in NY) |
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| yambag |
| Fuck him one year wonder. :D |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by WhiteBoy
someone explain to me why he is such a big story :scratch:
(aside from him playing in NY) |
It isnt a big story. It is not even that big of a story here in NY. It was printed like 5 pages in from the back cover. I bet you Mike and Chris spent over/under 30 min talking about it! |
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| WhiteBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
It isnt a big story. It is ONLY a big story in NY! |
Not true......it is on the bottom scroll on ESPN!
Tell me 1 other relief pitcher that has ever made it there?
I don't get it...........another Kevin Maas? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by WhiteBoy
Not true......it is on the bottom scroll on ESPN!
Tell me 1 other relief pitcher that has ever made it there?
I don't get it...........another Kevin Maas? |
Yeah but you have to admit, Joba is not your normal reliever. |
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| Apoc13 |
| this pisses me off....he can't possibly be as good in the rotation as he was in the pen....lets hope he and his daddy piss and moan about the pen and they throw him into the rotation |
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| Pussah2 |
| apoc, hes the yankees next closer. he is staying in the pen |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
If I was a Yankee fan, that is what I would want.
However, you guys are really really short on pitching. You also have offensive guys who are getting older.
It should be a VERY interesting year :cool: |
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| StumpMerrill |
| He's finishing the year in the pen too, unless someone gets hurt and he's desperately needed in the rotation I'll be shocked if he starts the year in the pen and moves to the rotation. |
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| Pussah2 |
| he will be a starter in spring training but go to the bullpen when they go to NY. He should stay there. I do not trust farnsworth or the rest of the bullpen. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by WhiteBoy
Not true......it is on the bottom scroll on ESPN!
Tell me 1 other relief pitcher that has ever made it there?
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Papelbon, when the Red Sox were basically doing the same thing... |
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| Player 1 |
| joba's gonna be a beast this season |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
apoc, hes the yankees next closer. he is staying in the pen |
that's what i argued last year....it's hard to find a guy that can put up those kind of numbers as a reliever....he should stay in the pen but he and his father want him in the rotation...the big money is in the starting rotation |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
that's what i argued last year....it's hard to find a guy that can put up those kind of numbers as a reliever....he should stay in the pen but he and his father want him in the rotation...the big money is in the starting rotation |
closer money isnt bad either especially replacing a legend like mariano. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
closer money isnt bad either especially replacing a legend like mariano. |
the money might not be bad but it's certainly not starter money |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
the money might not be bad but it's certainly not starter money |
Just compare Johan and Mo...Both got new contracts THIS YEAR!! |
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| FUGLYNUGE |
How will he handle the bugs this year? Fuck him and all of NY
I hope he takes a ride with Jim Leyritts and dies. :hw: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Another great prediction by Nuge....Can you say loser? :jj: |
Well, I didn't PREDICT whether he'd end up in the pen or as a starter, but I made the argument that we need him as a starter. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLYNUGE
How will he handle the bugs this year? Fuck him and all of NY
I hope he takes a ride with Jim Leyritts and dies. :hw: |
You're super cool you illiterate fuck. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
the money might not be bad but it's certainly not starter money |
When you're (supposed) to be that good, your primary source of income doesn't come from the your salary. Ask Artie. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
You're super cool you illiterate fuck. |
Don't feed the trolls. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Well, I didn't PREDICT whether he'd end up in the pen or as a starter, but I made the argument that we need him as a starter. |
Did Lenny just slip and admit he is Nuge's Mult... or Nuge is Lenny's Mult...? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Did Lenny just slip and admit he is Nuge's Mult... or Nuge is Lenny's Mult...? |
haha, no. I wanted to make sure that king new that I personally DID NOT PREDICT one or the other, and then add my two cents.
I've fought tooth and nail w/ Pussah over whether or not he should be in the pen or starting games.
I think he should be a starter, personally. |
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| nuge67 |
| I think he should be a starter, personally. :p |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Nuge thinks he should be a starter?
Thats why he will flourish in the bullpen. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Nuge thinks he should be a starter?
Thats why he will flourish in the bullpen. |
nuge is not as bad as Artie when it comes to this.
btw, Artie said the Celtics were the best team in the NBA. Can you say, "kiss of death?" :p |
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| Player 1 |
celtics aint shit compared to the POWERHOUSES in the west
oh wrong thread |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
nuge is not as bad as Artie when it comes to this.
btw, Artie said the Celtics were the best team in the NBA. Can you say, "kiss of death?" :p |
honestly, listening to Artie and the Stern game talk sports pisses me off! Just hearing Robin call the mlb commish Bud SELL-IG makes me so mad. I am like it's SELIG! It is fucking SELIG!!! |
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| otto02 |
| The Howard Stern Show is not where you go to hear your sports news. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
honestly, listening to Artie and the Stern game talk sports pisses me off! Just hearing Robin call the mlb commish Bud SELL-IG makes me so mad. I am like it's SELIG! It is fucking SELIG!!! |
Seeing you posting on Ferrall pisses me off. Seeing you are still alive pisses me off. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Seeing you posting on Ferrall pisses me off. Seeing you are still alive pisses me off. |
Please, your ass LOVES me. Why else would you be stalking me? :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Please, your ass LOVES me. Why else would you be stalking me? :D |
Excuse me, you are in a Yankee thread chasing me around, who is stalking who? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Excuse me, you are in a Yankee thread chasing me around, who is stalking who? |
Learn how to read Gramps! YOU responded to me! Dont worry though, I love the attn :D |
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