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| Beaner1827 |
| What is the possible punishments for his action. how much jail time |
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| Rammstein Musik |
Quote: Originally posted by Beaner1827
What is the possible punishments for his action. how much jail time |
i'm sure less than a year, if even that. Marion Jones was sentenced to 6 months in prison for perjury, but she also was found guilty of a check fraud scam. so who knows he might only get a fine, community service and probation. |
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| pwdmarcello |
| It's not a question of if. He did commit perjury. If it's just perjury, maybe six months. If they tack on obstruction, maybe a year. |
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| jobbey |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| I dont think anybody wants him to go to jail. That would really be a waste. I just want him to admit it, and let everybody move on. |
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| assmasterson |
| Just seeing him get his ass handed to him in court, resulting in his career ending in shame would be enough for me. |
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| otto02 |
| What do you mean if? According to a source Pettite told congress Clemens talked about using HGH in 1999 or 2000. Sounds like he's trying not to say too much. |
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| timdawg6 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I dont think anybody wants him to go to jail. That would really be a waste. I just want him to admit it, and let everybody move on. |
Too late for that King, if proven he is guilty he has to go to jail, or everybody will think they can lie without consequences |
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| bonghitbobby |
| its sad if he does goe to jail, but justified, who here wouldn't have taken roids or hgh to play MLB? |
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| timdawg6 |
| I would consider taking hgh if i could find it |
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| elricsi |
Clemens' asshole lawyer has a good point. It may be difficult to build a criminal case from an investigation that involved a report with no legal standing.
Of course if he would just admit it, I think that should be enough for everyone. |
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| cruz1785 |
| I feel sorry for the guy |
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| Player 1 |
| if he aint comin back to play next year, fuck him. lets stop talkin about him :o |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by cruz1785
I feel sorry for the guy |
Why? He's a arrrogant multi-millionaire prick who, if he would've shot straight from the beginning, wouldn't be in this mess. Fuck him. |
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| StumpMerrill |
| If he's lying he deserves to go to jail and he'll join Pete Rose in the Hall of Shame. |
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| MLBoros72s |
| What be you do to write bad so much. |
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| EMFBoss |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
Why? He's a arrrogant multi-millionaire prick who, if he would've shot straight from the beginning, wouldn't be in this mess. Fuck him. |
This is why I thought the Mitchell report was a waste of time. This has become a public lynching for one player now, its clemens. No one cares about the other guys. Even you Yankee haters dont care about Pettite anymore. 80 players was a fucking joke. How has naming names helped baseball. This congress hearing is a fucking joke today. Clemens says he is innocent. Mcnamee says he's guilty. Whats gonna change. Those needles and syringes will be inadmissible just because of the way they were handled. He kept them in a shoe box for 7 years. They werent handled properly and will show nothing.
If David Ortiz or manny ramirez were named would you have the same attitude or is it just because of Clemens. I hate Clemens and Bonds but this is fucking ridiculous already. They are cheaters just like most of baseball in those years. They belong in the hall of fame. You cannot tell who did it and who did not.
NEITHER DESERVES JAIL TIME |
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| Disco_stu73 |
| Pussah - he wouldn't be going to jail for taking steroids - he would be going to jail for lying to the feds. Very different situation. |
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| Pussah2 |
| I know that. Why does congress care if they took roids or not. Most of baseball took roids or HGH. Go after Selig who allowed it to happen under his watch |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by EMFBoss
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haha WOW |
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| welkdude |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
This is why I thought the Mitchell report was a waste of time. This has become a public lynching for one player now, its clemens. No one cares about the other guys. Even you Yankee haters dont care about Pettite anymore. 80 players was a fucking joke. How has naming names helped baseball. This congress hearing is a fucking joke today. Clemens says he is innocent. Mcnamee says he's guilty. Whats gonna change. Those needles and syringes will be inadmissible just because of the way they were handled. He kept them in a shoe box for 7 years. They werent handled properly and will show nothing.
If David Ortiz or manny ramirez were named would you have the same attitude or is it just because of Clemens. I hate Clemens and Bonds but this is fucking ridiculous already. They are cheaters just like most of baseball in those years. They belong in the hall of fame. You cannot tell who did it and who did not.
NEITHER DESERVES JAIL TIME |
Basically true, I mean what is the purpose here? It's all nothing more than soap opera fodder |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
This is why I thought the Mitchell report was a waste of time. This has become a public lynching for one player now, its clemens. No one cares about the other guys. Even you Yankee haters dont care about Pettite anymore. 80 players was a fucking joke. How has naming names helped baseball. This congress hearing is a fucking joke today. Clemens says he is innocent. Mcnamee says he's guilty. Whats gonna change. Those needles and syringes will be inadmissible just because of the way they were handled. He kept them in a shoe box for 7 years. They werent handled properly and will show nothing.
If David Ortiz or manny ramirez were named would you have the same attitude or is it just because of Clemens. I hate Clemens and Bonds but this is fucking ridiculous already. They are cheaters just like most of baseball in those years. They belong in the hall of fame. You cannot tell who did it and who did not.
NEITHER DESERVES JAIL TIME |
I agree that there are far more important issues for this goverment of ours to be worried about, I was just saying that I don't feel sorry for him for he is a colossal fuckin' asshole, that's all. The goverment should be wondering why I'm paying $3.27 a gallon for oil when Exxon made $78,000 a minute in 2007. Clemens, though, could've saved himself & baseball a whole lot of bullshit if he'd just admit it from the beginning & gotten it over with. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| I just want to hear him admit he took steroids and end this shit. I don't want to see him go to jail, but if he lied he has to be punished. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
I just want to hear him admit he took steroids and end this shit. I don't want to see him go to jail, but if he lied he has to be punished. |
I agree completely!! |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
Too late for that King, if proven he is guilty he has to go to jail, or everybody will think they can lie without consequences |
WRONG, ever hear of PROBATION? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
WRONG, ever hear of PROBATION? |
We wish your mother heard of abortion! :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
We wish your mother heard of abortion! :D |
But your mom and dad are proud of you right?
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| Very proud of me. Remember, Im not in a wheelchair! :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Very proud of me. Remember, Im not in a wheelchair! :D |
And yet I am a more porductive member of society then you are, that is sad my fruit. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
lol, you can only make it personal because I school you in everything else.
Thats ok! :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
lol, you can only make it personal because I school you in everything else.
Thats ok! :D |
Really, you are the one that needed to deflect to a so called wheelchair kid. You are just a boy. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
your right I am. Thats why you call me son.
Its all good though. We know you have not been called boy since the 1950's, gramps!! :D |
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| pwdmarcello |
Congress has just referred the Clemens issue to the justice department for a perjury investigation:
Dear Mr. Attorney General:
We are writing to ask the Justice Department to investigate whether former professional baseball player Roger Clemens committed perjury and made knowingly false statements during the Oversight and Government Reform Committee's investigation of the use of steroids and performance-enhancing drugs in professional baseball.
We believe that his testimony in a sworn deposition on Feb. 5, 2008, and at a hearing on Feb. 13, 2008, that he never used anabolic steroids or human growth hormone, warrants further investigation. That testimony is directly contradicted by the sworn testimony of Brian McNamee, who testified that he personally injected Mr. Clemens with anabolic steroids and human growth hormone. Mr. Clemens's testimony is also contradicted by the sworn deposition testimony and affidavit submitted to the committee by Andrew Pettitte, a former teammate of Mr. Clemens, whose testimony and affidavit reported that Mr. Clemens had admitted to him in 1999 or 2000 that he had taken human growth hormone.
Mr. Pettitte's testimony and affidavit further reported on two past conversations with Mr. McNamee that support Mr. Pettitte's recollection of the 1999 or 2000 conversation with Mr. Clemens. Mr. Pettitte's affidavit and testimony state that in a conversation with Mr. McNamee shortly after Mr. Clemens alleged admission to Mr. Pettitte, Mr. McNamee became angry when Mr. Pettitte told him that he knew that Roger Clemens had used human growth hormone because that was supposed to be confidential. According to Mr. Pettitte's deposition, he also had another conversation with Mr. McNamee in 2003 or 2004 in which Mr. McNamee told him that he had obtained steroids for Mr. Clemens. Independently, in his deposition, Mr. McNamee recalled two conversations with Mr. Pettitte, one that could have occurred in 2000 and one in 2004, about Mr. Clemens's HGH and steroid use that were similar in substance to the two conversations described by Mr. Pettitte.
Other evidence in the record before the Committee may be relevant to an investigation into the truthfulness of Mr. Clemens's assertions. That evidence relates to whether Brian McNamee injected Mr. Clemens with lidocaine in 1998; whether Mr. Clemens received pain injections from trainers on all four of his major league teams; whether he regularly received vitamin B-12 injections from team doctors and trainers; whether he ever talked with Mr. McNamee about human growth hormone; whether he was at Jose Canseco's home in Florida during the period June 8 to June 10, 1998; and whether he ever received notice that Senator George Mitchell asked to meet with him in connection with Senator Mitchell's independent investigation of the illegal use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball. We also understand that federal law enforcement officials may have access to additional evidence on these matters.
Under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1621, a witness commits perjury if the witness "willfully" asserts "any material matter which he does not believe to be true" after "having taken an oath" to "testify ... truly." Under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1001, a witness commits a crime if the witness "knowingly and willfully" makes "any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation" with respect to "any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee ... of the Congress."
Congress cannot perform its oversight function if witnesses who appear before its committees do not provide truthful testimony. Perjury and false statements before Congress are crimes that undermine the integrity of congressional inquiries. For these reasons, we take evidence that a witness may have intentionally misled the Committee extremely seriously.
We are not in a position to reach a definitive judgment as to whether Mr. Clemens lied to the Committee. Our only conclusion is that significant questions have been raised about Mr. Clemens's truthfulness and that further investigation by the Department of Justice is warranted. We ask that you initiate such an investigation. The record of the Committee's proceedings will be made available to the Department of Justice to assist in the investigation.
Thank you for your assistance.
Sincerely,
Henry A. Waxman, Chairman
Tom Davis, Ranking Minority Member |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
I would consider taking hgh if i could find it |
To be honest, me too. Doesn't pose the same risks as steroids.
Then again, you better have lots of discretionary income if you do find it. That stuff is super costly. Too costly for this peasant. |
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| JeffinSD |
| Did anyone watch the hearing today? |
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| Pocc |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
To be honest, me too. Doesn't pose the same risks as steroids.
Then again, you better have lots of discretionary income if you do find it. That stuff is super costly. Too costly for this peasant. |
Roids are dirt cheap in Mexico. They sell them in the drugstores over the counter. I dont know for a fact but I heard most of the kids in CA that are doing it for school sports are getting roids and hgh from over there. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc
Roids are dirt cheap in Mexico. They sell them in the drugstores over the counter. I dont know for a fact but I heard most of the kids in CA that are doing it for school sports are getting roids and hgh from over there. |
lol, I would never take an illegal drug from mexico. God knows what it is and where the fuck it was produced! |
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| otto02 |
| Mexico is one big toliet. |
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| Pocc |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
lol, I would never take an illegal drug from mexico. God knows what it is and where the fuck it was produced! |
The steroids are produced and packaged in the U.S. We had a group of guys in my platoon when I was in the service that got busted with them. They got them in Tijuana one block from the customs gate and from the gains they got they were the real deal. |
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| DrSublux |
| He will be convicted of purjury.......see no jail time...because Bush will pardon him before he goes in......say Bye Bye To the H.O.F |
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| JimmyBlunts |
Quote: Originally posted by Beaner1827
What is the possible punishments for his action. how much jail time |
i agree 6 months to a year....... |
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