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| Stonewall |
Iranian hangings 'hit new record'
By Jon Leyne
BBC News, Tehran
Early morning in Tehran, and two mobile cranes are being manoeuvred into place. They are to act as temporary gallows for a public execution.
Already the crowd are out in force, some of them in a remarkably cheery mood. A few are getting ready to photograph the scene on their mobile phones. There are even one or two young children around.
Amid this strangely everyday scene, the black-masked hangmen begin their work. They attach nooses to the cranes, check they are secure.
As the sentence is read out, the two criminals are brought out.
They have been convicted of bank robberies and murders, including the murder of a senior judge, close to this very spot in Tehran.
But there is no sign of remorse. In fact, one of the two men can't stop smiling, even as the noose is put around his neck. Then swiftly the stool is pulled from under their legs.
The bodies are left dangling - a lesson for everyone to see.
'Executions necessary'
Under the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the number of executions has increased dramatically.
Amnesty International says the figures are up from 200 executions in 2006 to about 300 last year, and there have been more than 30 in the first month of this year alone.
The Iranian government says the executions are necessary to deter hardened criminals - murderers, drug dealers and rapists.
Ayatollah Mahdi Hadavi, a professor of Islamic law based in the holy city of Qom, explained this interpretation of Islam.
"In Islam, punishment is very harsh," he said. "Because the philosophy of punishment is to prevent the people from committing a crime."
In future that may include fewer public executions. The most recent was held in January.
But now Iran's chief judge has ordered that none should be held without his personal authorisation.
However, a similar edict stopping the punishment of stoning to death does not seem to have been obeyed.
Legs amputated
One man was stoned to death in Iran last year, after being convicted of adultery.
Human rights groups say two sisters, Zohreh and Azar Kabiri, now face the same penalty, after they were also convicted of adultery. Both are mothers, each with one child.
To add to this challenging list of punishments, the Iranian Nobel peace prize winner and human rights lawyer, Shirin Ebadi, has warned of a revival of the practice of amputation.
She said that several criminals in the remote province of Sistan-Baluchistan had recently had hands and legs amputated.
The violation of human rights in Iran had found new dimensions, warned the group of lawyers that she heads.
Ms Ebadi says she believes that there is a political dimension to the growing number of executions: "I see this as way of putting fear into society. They want to use this to frighten people, to make people afraid of voicing criticism."
Western liberals
It's not a charge that's likely to concern President Ahmadinejad.
His government has turned to a strict interpretation of Islam as a way of reviving the revolution and controlling the population.
It's hard to say how many people in Iran support these policies, though they are certainly more popular with Mr Ahmadinejad's poorer, more conservative, rural supporters.
On this 29th anniversary of the Islamic revolution, the government of the Islamic republic is prouder than ever of its difference from Western liberal countries.
It thrives on a confrontation with the West, not just on matters of foreign policy, but on basic questions of religious and social values.
Nowhere are these differences more stark than in Iran's increasingly tough attitude to crime and punishment.
BBC NEWS
Published: 2008/02/11 23:13:55 GMT
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| JTProcess |
Iranian Hangings sounds like a Rap group...
(this is their hit new record... featuring the track Bar Rock Hussein Osama) |
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| x76 |
| How's Israel treating the Palestinians in Gaza? Oh, wait, that's not news. THOSE FUCKING IRANIANS! |
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| Stonewall |
Democrats and Liberals have come a long long way.
Believe it or not there was a time when they would rail against things like this. Even 10 years ago there would be no way at all that Sharia would even be brought up, let alone actually implemented in the U.S..
Now the Left is anti-American, fully, and that allows for a downplaying of how others treat their citizens. Multiculturalism at it's promised end... madness.
It is no wonder that Iran feels exactly how the article describes. Confident in their actions because those against them are such a small voice that they do not matter. All is equal. |
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| hooknoseitalian |
| anti-American are those that rail against the freedoms that we are provided by the constitution, like freedom of religion. if i chose to become muslim and live that lifestyle, i would prefer to be bound by islamic law... otherwise what's the point? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by hooknoseitalian
anti-American are those that rail against the freedoms that we are provided by the constitution, like freedom of religion. if i chose to become muslim and live that lifestyle, i would prefer to be bound by islamic law... otherwise what's the point? |
I agree that there would be no point in not following Islamic Law. Not to do so is to reject the basics of Islam.
In this country we have secular law that trumps Islamic Law. One cannot stone the adulterer. Etc..
If you did become a Muslim I would advise you to move to an Islamic country where your religion can be fully enjoyed and you will have a chance to enter Islamic paradise. Being in the U.S. will remove the possibility. Unless of course you do your mightiest to get Islamic Law instituted here. Otherwise you are deliberately disobeying. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I agree that there would be no point in not following Islamic Law. Not to do so is to reject the basics of Islam.
In this country we have secular law that trumps Islamic Law. One cannot stone the adulterer. Etc..
If you did become a Muslim I would advise you to move to an Islamic country where your religion can be fully enjoyed and you will have a chance to enter Islamic paradise. Being in the U.S. will remove the possibility. Unless of course you do your mightiest to get Islamic Law instituted here. Otherwise you are deliberately disobeying. |
then he would be just like 99.99999999999% of the Christians in this country - no biggie. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
then he would be just like 99.99999999999% of the Christians in this country - no biggie. |
Actually that is not true, they would be like Iran or Pakistan or Arabia. No biggie.
There is some value in allowing full Sharia here. No one would join Islam after the first apostate was killed. After the first adulterer was stoned we would allow no more immigration. That just might be the fix this country needs. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Actually that is not true, they would be like Iran or Pakistan or Arabia. No biggie.
There is some value in allowing full Sharia here. No one would join Islam after the first apostate was killed. After the first adulterer was stoned we would allow no more immigration. That just might be the fix this country needs. |
I don't know what you think you're accomplishing here, I honestly don't.
I don't know what you want to happen - you claim that Islam requires all non-believers to be converted or slain, and your answer to this is....what?
Maybe we should convert them all to christianity, and kill all of those who refuse.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is:
"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM US!!!??? GODDAMMIT, I'M SO SICK OF READING YOUR SHIT POSTS ABOUT ISLAM THAT I'M READY TO VOMIT. YOU SUCK, AND YOUR POSTS SUCK. NOT ONLY ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINING IN ANY WAY, YOU ARE A FUCKING TRAINED SEAL HONKING THE SAME GODDAMNED HORN OVER AND OVER, AND IT'S ENOUGH!!! ISLAM IS BAD, WE FUCKING GET IT. MESSAGE RECEIVED, YOU PRICK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?" |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
I don't know what you think you're accomplishing here, I honestly don't.
I don't know what you want to happen - you claim that Islam requires all non-believers to be converted or slain, and your answer to this is....what?
Maybe we should convert them all to christianity, and kill all of those who refuse.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is:
"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM US!!!??? GODDAMMIT, I'M SO SICK OF READING YOUR SHIT POSTS ABOUT ISLAM THAT I'M READY TO VOMIT. YOU SUCK, AND YOUR POSTS SUCK. NOT ONLY ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINING IN ANY WAY, YOU ARE A FUCKING TRAINED SEAL HONKING THE SAME GODDAMNED HORN OVER AND OVER, AND IT'S ENOUGH!!! ISLAM IS BAD, WE FUCKING GET IT. MESSAGE RECEIVED, YOU PRICK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?" |
I never said that Islam requires all non-believers to be converted or slain.
This post is about Iran.
Perhaps it is a good idea to stay on top of news about a country that enables the killings of Americans. Is in conflict with America. Has attacked America. Virtual riots in the streets screaming "Death to America". Is in violation of the NPT. Etc..
Maybe we should be interested in that. We live in a nation that elects it's leaders and maybe we should know things and so be able to pick our leaders based on knowledge. Not feelings. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I never said that Islam requires all non-believers to be converted or slain.
This post is about Iran.
Perhaps it is a good idea to stay on top of news about a country that enables the killings of Americans. Is in conflict with America. Has attacked America. Virtual riots in the streets screaming "Death to America". Is in violation of the NPT. Etc..
Maybe we should be interested in that. We live in a nation that elects it's leaders and maybe we should know things and so be able to pick our leaders based on knowledge. Not feelings. |
the whole fucking country has been running on "feelings" since 9/11.
where the fuck have you been? |
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| Tomofnnh |
| Arguing with Stonewall is like arguing with... a stone wall. |
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| NickNuke |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
the whole fucking country has been running on "feelings" since 9/11.
where the fuck have you been? |
I see Jimmy the Apologist is back... Good to see you... |
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| NickNuke |
Here we go with the Jew haters, again.
How's it going, Himmler? I thought the died in Spandau? How's your boy, Heydrich? Read any good books, lately? Mein Kampf? Oh... Haven't heard of that one? Who? Hitler? Oh.. I'd love to read his philosophy on a "final solution". Can I borrow it? |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by NickNuke
I see Jimmy the Apologist is back... Good to see you... |
This would probably mean something if I knew who the fuck you are.
or cared. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Tomofnnh
Arguing with Stonewall is like arguing with... a stone wall. |
:) |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
I don't know what you think you're accomplishing here, I honestly don't.
I don't know what you want to happen - you claim that Islam requires all non-believers to be converted or slain, and your answer to this is....what?
Maybe we should convert them all to christianity, and kill all of those who refuse.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is:
"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM US!!!??? GODDAMMIT, I'M SO SICK OF READING YOUR SHIT POSTS ABOUT ISLAM THAT I'M READY TO VOMIT. YOU SUCK, AND YOUR POSTS SUCK. NOT ONLY ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINING IN ANY WAY, YOU ARE A FUCKING TRAINED SEAL HONKING THE SAME GODDAMNED HORN OVER AND OVER, AND IT'S ENOUGH!!! ISLAM IS BAD, WE FUCKING GET IT. MESSAGE RECEIVED, YOU PRICK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?" |
You should really calm down. You're gonna hurt yourself. :) |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
You should really calm down. You're gonna hurt yourself. :) |
It's just a caps lock button - doesn't hurt at all.
If I read many more of stonewall's uninspiring attempts at hatebreeding, I may have to break out the bold print.
watch out. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
It's just a caps lock button - doesn't hurt at all.
If I read many more of stonewall's uninspiring attempts at hatebreeding, I may have to break out the bold print.
watch out. |
It's not more hate breeding.
Of course the Left has the same attitude on Islam as it had to Communism. I wonder when we will see glassy eyed leftists passing out Korans in airports, like Mao's little Red Book?
Communism is better than Democracy, if it's done correctly.
I wonder when the Left will take up the cause of cannibalism? Well, we don't have many cannibal nations who hate America... |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
It's not more hate breeding.
Of course the Left has the same attitude on Islam as it had to Communism. I wonder when we will see glassy eyed leftists passing out Korans in airports, like Mao's little Red Book?
Communism is better than Democracy, if it's done correctly.
I wonder when the Left will take up the cause of cannibalism? Well, we don't have many cannibal nations who hate America... |
Yeah - those asshole leftists - they ruin everything.
Maybe we should kill them all.
After all the muslims, of course. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
Yeah - those asshole leftists - they ruin everything.
Maybe we should kill them all.
After all the muslims, of course. |
That is a horrible thing to say, I never said Leftists ruin everything.
:) |
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