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| hooknoseitalian |
WWCD? WWOD? WWMD? Here's what Ron Paul did... (alas, it wasn't enough)
(and for those interested, his Georgetown University speech will be broadcast live at 8PM EST here: http://www.justin.tv/ronpaul )
Discover what Ron Paul has done as a congressman. Imagine what he will do as president.
It is never easy to defy the leaders of your own party and the biggest special interests in Washington, even (or especially) when your party is selling out every principle they claimed to believe in. It is exceptionally difficult when your party is working with the most powerful interest in Washington -- one that employs two lobbyists for every member of Congress! But when the Republican congressional leadership teamed up with the powerful pharmaceutical lobby to ram a multi-billion dollar prescription drug bill into law, Ron Paul had no choice but to help lead an insurrection.
Congressman Paul easily saw through the claims of the bill's proponents and knew that the bill would help large pharmaceutical companies and harm senior citizens, taxpayers, and future generations: "The new Medicare drug plan enriches pharmaceutical companies, fleeces taxpayers, and forces millions of older Americans to accept inferior drug coverage – while doing nothing to address the real reasons prescription drugs cost so much.
The perception that seniors will be able to flash a Medicare card at the pharmacy and walk out without paying anything is false. In fact, many seniors will end up paying more under the Medicare scheme than they do now with their private plans. The Medicare drug benefit requires monthly premiums, co-pays, and deductibles, just as private plans do. It also has gaps in coverage that no sensible person would accept if offered by a private insurer. Like all government programs, the Medicare drug entitlement will be shabby, degrading, and inferior to the private sector.
The vast majority of older Americans already have private prescription drug coverage that they don’t want changed, and this 78% of seniors may well lose their good private coverage altogether. In fact, the government’s own Congressional Budget Office estimates that at least one-third of all private companies will dump their retirees into the Medicare system as a result of the new bill. Big corporations love the Medicare drug plan, because they want to shift the responsibility for providing drug benefits to their retirees onto taxpayers. Dozens of major companies shamelessly advertised in the Washington Times and elsewhere in support of the Medicare bill for this very simple reason. Their pension plans are dangerously underfunded, so naturally they use their lobbying influence to promote a Medicare drug system. In this sense, the Medicare bill is a taxpayer-funded corporate bailout for hundreds of American companies."
In the days leading up to the vote, the House leadership launched a full-court press to convince undecided members to support the bill, aided by corporate lobbyists who wandered the halls of Congress telling members they would be rewarded if they voted for this boondoggle and punished if they stuck to their principles.
Faced with tremendous pressure, Congressman Paul joined other free-market advocates both inside and outside Congress to launch a major effort to mobilize freedom-loving Americans to oppose the prescription drug bill. Throughout the week leading up to the vote, Congressman Paul and his staff reached out to potential allies and undecided members.
Thanks to the efforts of the bill’s opponents, the House leadership was unable to round up enough votes. To compensate, the leadership repeatedly delayed the vote while they cut deals, twisted arms, and even "cooked the books" in an attempt to attract fiscal conservatives to drop their opposition.
Finally, they could hold out no longer, so at 2:15 Saturday morning they called a fifteen minute vote. But at the end of the fifteen minutes, the vote was tied! Under House rules, the bill should have been defeated, but an odd thing happened... the House leadership refused to gavel the vote closed. Instead, they kept the vote open for three hours while continuing to twist arms and cut deals. Even then-Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson was on the House floor lobbying for the bill---in violation of House rules!
Meanwhile, Dr. Paul and his allies worked to firm up conservative opposition. But despite their best efforts, the House leadership finally rounded up the votes necessary to pass the bill at 5:45, three hours after the beginning of the fifteen minute vote.
Congressman Paul was angered at what he witnessed but he was not discouraged. Instead, the events only hardened his determination to fight on. It is that same determination to stand up to even the most powerful interests and the longest odds that is required in the fight for liberty.
As a congressman, Ron Paul has never backed down from a fight against politicians seeking to put their hands into the taxpayers’ pockets to enrich their corporate patrons. Imagine what he will do as president. |
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| hooknoseitalian |
i enjoyed that speech very much i did
:jj: the ending was kinda weak but that shit was funny :D |
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| Monster_Zero |
... :ps: |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
... :ps: |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
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:lol:
Coming from you, there could be no higher praise... :tu: |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
:lol:
Coming from you, there could be no higher praise... :tu: |
Hehe...yeah, Ron Paul would be the dream candidate for Al Qaeda... you must be so proud. |
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| hooknoseitalian |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Hehe...yeah, Ron Paul would be the dream candidate for Al Qaeda... you must be so proud. |
al qaeda wouldn't exist if we had been practicing non-interventionism all these years. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Hehe...yeah, Ron Paul would be the dream candidate for Al Qaeda... you must be so proud. |
Yes, that Al Qaeda press release photoshop statement looked very official... :rofl: |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by hooknoseitalian
al qaeda wouldn't exist if we had been practicing non-interventionism all these years. |
ummmmm yeah.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Yes, that Al Qaeda press release photoshop statement looked very official... :rofl: |
Fake!!!! ?? How dare YOU ! |
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| hooknoseitalian |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
ummmmm yeah.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
is that your best argument? |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by hooknoseitalian
is that your best argument? |
When someone says something as nonsensical as you did, thats all the 'argument' it deserves. |
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| MLBoros72s |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
ummmmm yeah.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
Lest we forget the "secret war" funded by Charlie Wilson against the Soviets by funding the Mujahideen? |
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| hooknoseitalian |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
When someone says something as nonsensical as you did, thats all the 'argument' it deserves. |
well that just shows how ignorant you are. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by hooknoseitalian
well that just shows how ignorant you are. |
What it shows is that you have bought into the the complete naivete of Ron Pauls foreign policy. It is beyond ridiculous, has no basis in fact or reason, and would be a complete disaster economically were it to be implemented. |
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| Luther |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
ummmmm yeah.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
"They hate us for our freedom!" |
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| hooknoseitalian |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
What it shows is that you have bought into the the complete naivete of Ron Pauls foreign policy. It is beyond ridiculous, has no basis in fact or reason, and would be a complete disaster economically were it to be implemented. |
don't be stupid, ya moron.
"The origins of the group can be traced to the Soviet war in Afghanistan. The United States viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahedeen on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. The U.S. channelled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the native Afghan mujahedeen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone.[46][47]
At the same time, a growing number of foreign Arab mujahedeen (also called Afghan Arabs) joined the jihad against the Afghan Marxist regime, facilitated by international Muslim organizations, particularly the Maktab al-Khidamat,[48] whose funds came from some of the $600 million a year donated to the jihad by the Saudi Arabia government and individual Muslims - particularly wealthy Saudis who were approached by Osama bin Laden.[49]
The Afghan mujahideen of the 1980s have been alleged to be the inspiration for terrorist groups in nations such as Indonesia, the Philippines, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Chechnya, and the former Yugoslavia.[50] According to Russian sources, the perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 allegedly used a manual allegedly written by the CIA for the mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan on how to make explosives."
there's lots more info where that came from, if you're interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by hooknoseitalian
don't be stupid, ya moron.
"The origins of the group can be traced to the Soviet war in Afghanistan. The United States viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahedeen on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. The U.S. channelled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the native Afghan mujahedeen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone.[46][47]
At the same time, a growing number of foreign Arab mujahedeen (also called Afghan Arabs) joined the jihad against the Afghan Marxist regime, facilitated by international Muslim organizations, particularly the Maktab al-Khidamat,[48] whose funds came from some of the $600 million a year donated to the jihad by the Saudi Arabia government and individual Muslims - particularly wealthy Saudis who were approached by Osama bin Laden.[49]
The Afghan mujahideen of the 1980s have been alleged to be the inspiration for terrorist groups in nations such as Indonesia, the Philippines, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Chechnya, and the former Yugoslavia.[50] According to Russian sources, the perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 allegedly used a manual allegedly written by the CIA for the mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan on how to make explosives."
there's lots more info where that came from, if you're interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda
come away from the flock... the grass tastes much better where it hasn't been trampled on. |
I try and use credible sources, as opposed to Wiki....thanks though... :rolleyes: I thought most of the moonbats said it started in the 50's with Iran, or when Israel was established???
Maybe you should read some current Al Qaeda writings....it is pretty clear on its goals... |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Luther
"They hate us for our freedom!" |
'By fighting the terrorists, we only make them angry, and want to kill us even more' .. :rolleyes: |
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| hooknoseitalian |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
I try and use credible sources, as opposed to Wiki....thanks though... :rolleyes: I thought most of the moonbats said it started in the 50's with Iran, or when Israel was established???
Maybe you should read some current Al Qaeda writings....it is pretty clear on its goals... |
all sources on wiki are cited for your reading pleasure.
if you have some sources to provide a basis for your argument, i would gladly read through them. i'm interested in understanding their motives.
"Al-Qaeda's objectives include the end of foreign influence in Muslim countries and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate."
i think that sums it up pretty well in one sentence, but please, if you have information that would give me a better understanding, help a brotha out. |
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| Luther |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
I try and use credible sources, as opposed to Wiki....thanks though... :rolleyes: I thought most of the moonbats said it started in the 50's with Iran, or when Israel was established???
Maybe you should read some current Al Qaeda writings....it is pretty clear on its goals... |
Wikipedia is a very credible source. A study found that it has a lower error rate than Encyclopedia Britannica. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
I try and use credible sources... |
:lol: :funny: :rofl: OMFG!! STOP IT!!! :puke: :funny: |
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| zimmie |
| I get all my info from Ron Paul newsletters..... :rolleyes: |
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| hooknoseitalian |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
I get all my info from Ron Paul newsletters..... :rolleyes: |
it's obvious that you read them. come on outta the closet, man. |
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| relsh |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Hehe...yeah, Ron Paul would be the dream candidate for Al Qaeda... you must be so proud. |
because selectively and intelligently choosing how to use our military might (based on who is a genuine threat to our sovereignty) is the same as being pro-al quaeda?
regime-swapping and setting up puppet governments based on our current "friends" and "enemies" is foolish (since they change every decade or so)....and tends to bite us in the ass, historically. |
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| CrackHead_Fan |
| All I know is, before he completely fades into oblivion, he BETTER get his little internet supporters out cleaning up all those no-budget signs I see strewn about the highways. Makin' a fuckin' mess of the place. |
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| Lunarisx718 |
It's gotten to the point where i have to turn off the show when they talk politics, Robin, Howard and Gary dont' even mention Dr.Paul when i'm sure they agree with all his views. Maybe Howard has been bought and paid for?
They wont be able to ignore us when we march on Washington!
Ron Paul 2008 |
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| JTProcess |
It's hilarious when right wingers pretend that Al Qaeda cares about US politics....
it always starts when they are having their asses handed to them in a rational debate... it's like the race card... always gets pulled as a last ditch effort to deflect. |
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