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| Luther |
| This should make for some good entertainment tonight on CNN. Obama dominated the only previous one-on-one debate and I expect him to be well prepared to do the same tonight. Clinton does not seem very presidential next to him. She is in desperation mode right now so she will have to come out fighting. How Obama counterattacks, if he keeps his poise, will be the key. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
| sirius question ..has obama accomplished anything in the senate and if so ..what |
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| Marinolaw |
| I'll be watching, it's great seeing people debate who really hate each other |
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| mb33139 |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
sirius question ..has obama accomplished anything in the senate and if so ..what |
Obama's Successful legislation:
S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.
S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.
S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.
S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.
S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.
S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.
S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.
S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.
S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.
S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
Senate Resolutions Passed:
S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day". |
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| DUDE-HERE |
| the people stumping for him should know this and bring it up |
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| artechba |
| <sets LOST on tivo> |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| I think HIllary will definitely be coming out swinging wildy tonight....I think Obama should concentrate mostly on McCain....It will show how he is basically moving beyond Clinton and going on to the general, whereas Hillary will look desperate. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
| i hope she calls him black obama by accident |
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| artechba |
| They just said on TV tens of thousands people are trying to get few tickets available |
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| mb33139 |
| Putting myself in Hillary's place, I simply cannot come up with an effective strategy to win... Obama has pretty much painted her in to a tight corner. Looking at this from a logos, pathos and ethos standpoint, I don't see anything she can use successfully in this debate. Her best course of action is not to go "cunty" and stay positive. This way, she can bow out of this race when the time comes and still have enough respect to challenge Harry Reid for the Senate Majority Leader role or Whip. |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
They just said on TV tens of thousands people are trying to get few tickets available |
I bet the TV audience will be huge. The ratings for the previous ones were big.
And
Early voting in Texas up 1,000 percent
Turnout on the first day of early voting was up all across Texas, according to initial numbers from the Secretary of State’s office. But Houston and Dallas were off the charts — the numbers show a 10-fold increase over 2004. In Harris County four years ago, only 728 people showed up for the Democratic primary on the first day of early voting. Yesterday it was 9,243.
In Dallas, the first-day turnout jumped from 913 in 2004 to 8,615 yesterday. That would seem good news for Obama. Other urban counties such as Travis (Austin) and Bexar (San Antonio) showed six-fold increases. In El Paso, it tripled.
Turnout was up too in the Rio Grande Valley, an expected Clinton stronghold, but the increase wasn’t as dramatic. In Hidalgo County, the number of voters rose from 3,858 (2004) to 5,793 (2008).
David Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager, told Texas reporters this afternoon on a conference call that the campaign has emphasized ushering supporters to the polls early and was very encouraged by the early voting numbers so far. Early voting ends Feb. 29. |
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| Luther |
Quote: Originally posted by mb33139
Putting myself in Hillary's place, I simply cannot come up with an effective strategy to win... Obama has pretty much painted her in to a tight corner. Looking at this from a logos, pathos and ethos standpoint, I don't see anything she can use successfully in this debate. Her best course of action is not to go "cunty" and stay positive. This way, she can bow out of this race when the time comes and still have enough respect to challenge Harry Reid for the Senate Majority Leader role or Whip. |
It's not so much Obama's strategy but the fact that he is a much more appealing candidate that has doomed Clinton. |
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| ricky |
BFD - amendments and a couple of resolutions.
Nothing substantive.
schvatza........... :p |
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| flamslam64 |
| Hopefully the house will fall on the witch. |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by flamslam64
Hopefully the house will fall on the witch. |
:bl: |
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| artechba |
| Big crowd tonight. Should be interesting. It's on now. |
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| artechba |
| Why is it Jorge Ramos. Why couldn't they have one of those hot Univision anchors on. |
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| artechba |
| Wow. Place is going nuts for Obama. |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| He kind of has that Hulkster crowd pop going. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by Reed Rothchild
He kind of has that Hulkster crowd pop going. |
Mick Foley pop |
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| sternhead |
| The crowd won't shut the fuck up! |
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| artechba |
| I think Fox News is regretting the whole Madrassa and Hussein thing now. They're not even involved and it's the best primaries in 30 years. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by sternhead
90 minutes? |
Don't they know they're cutting into my LOST time? |
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| Anogram |
| Nice attire Hillary :) |
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| sternhead |
| God she is boring! |
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| artechba |
| I was at VA Hospital today. It still sucks Hillary. Nice job. |
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| sternhead |
| Hillary is staring daggers into Obama. |
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| jigzaw |
| Uh oh, Obama should listen to Howard and stop saying "Uh" between every other word! |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| It think Hilary scored a small win in having them sit up there, he looks a little figety, like he wants to get up and walk around. |
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| sternhead |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Uh oh, Obama should listen to Howard and stop saying "Uh" between every other word! |
Uh, the fact of the matter is! |
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| sternhead |
Quote: Originally posted by Reed Rothchild
It think Hilary scored a small win in having them sit up there, he looks a little figety, like he wants to get up and walk around. |
Hillary looks like a really ugly Anette Benning. |
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| artechba |
| He's used to shooting from the hip. Hillary memorizes her lines days in advance. |
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| artechba |
| I can hardly understand this dude |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by sternhead
que? |
He said something like "Good evening, in the United States, we also speak Spanish." |
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| artechba |
| Didn't he call Dynamo - Red Bulls the other day? |
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| sternhead |
| Cuba is never gonna change! Fuck em! |
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| artechba |
| Is China going to change? |
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| sternhead |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
He said something like "Good evening, in the United States, we also speak Spanish." |
Thanks for clearing that up jig! :) |
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| sternhead |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
Is China going to change? |
:btd: |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| Our foreign policy toward Cuba is almost a bigger joke than our policy toward Iraq. We are pissed and holding a grudge cause we couldn't knock off The Beard. We have relations with Vietnam and 50k of our kids died over there. |
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| Anogram |
| Loosining Cuban American travel between cuba and america but not a normalizing american and cuba relations...... better than the McCain stance |
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| dreadlock |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
the people stumping for him should know this and bring it up |
the people who oppose him should get a complaint with some meat |
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| Anogram |
| I saw chelsea clinton |
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| artechba |
We normalized relations with communist regime of Vietnam. 50,000 kids died for nothing. Communist China is our biggest trade partner and helped Vietnam and Korea in two wars against us costing us thousands of lives.
But we are going against Cuba after 50 years. It's retarded. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| missed the first half hour driving home from work...any nastiness? |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
missed the first half hour driving home from work...any nastiness? |
None so far. |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
missed the first half hour driving home from work...any nastiness? |
No. Nice and clean so far... lot's of "we agree on...". |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| Hilary did get a good line there, "ending Bush's war on science." |
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| Anogram |
| not to bad ..... only 1 question, what is the difference between you and the other.... did you hear that ? |
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| artechba |
| So Clinton wants to help Mexico create jobs in their own country? |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by Reed Rothchild
Hilary did get a good line there, "ending Bush's war on science." |
agreed .... I keep saying that to myself |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| great job on obama stressing the importance of fixing the legal immigration system with backlogs, etc |
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| artechba |
"Bush obsessed with Iraq"
No shit |
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| rogergrape |
| Obama seems nervous to me |
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| dreadlock |
| she should accept the VP spot. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| he shouldnt offer it... |
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| dreadlock |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
he shouldnt offer it... |
he should, that is a dynamic ticket that plays to both their strengths |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| I dont see what she adds to the ticket at all actually except an anchor that will draw him down. It will galvanize the right, and make dynastic politics still an issue. Bill Richardson, Jim Webb, or my favorite Russ Feingold would be a lot better. Maybe Tim Kaine or Janet Napolitano as well |
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| Anogram |
| Well.... nice stuff, no real jabs at eachother |
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| Luther |
This is way too nice for my liking.
Hillary's only chance of a come back was to successfully attack Obama. Instead she is trying to win a likability contest. That's not going to happen. If this continues she will continue to lose. |
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| rogergrape |
so far this debate could not be any more vanilla
if it stays like this, they might as well have both stayed at the hotel |
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| artechba |
Jim Webb should be his Vice President.
And Luther, I agree |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
great job on obama stressing the importance of fixing the legal immigration system with backlogs, etc |
yup - excellent point - i have a relative that teach english as a second language and she says the legals in her class hate nobody more than the illegals - the shit you have to go through legally is crazy - you have to come here live, go back to your country and live, then apply to come back - it is not an incentive to get any legal other than ones with money and drives illegal immigration through the roof - totally broken |
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| rogergrape |
Quote: Originally posted by Luther
This is way too nice for my liking.
Hillary's only chance of a come back was to successfully attack Obama. |
although that would be risky, because it might set him up for a better comeback |
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| dreadlock |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
I dont see what she adds to the ticket at all actually except an anchor that will draw him down. It will galvanize the right, and make dynastic politics still an issue. Bill Richardson, Jim Webb, or my favorite Russ Feingold would be a lot better. Maybe Tim Kaine or Janet Napolitano as well |
she has a better grasp of specifics - he has a dream |
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| artechba |
| Here comes the nastiness |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| here we go |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by dreadlock
she has a better grasp of specifics - he has a dream |
the only "specifics" she has a "grasp" of are the details of her 20-year-old scheme to run for president. |
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| dreadlock |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
the only "specifics" she has a "grasp" of are the details of her 20-year-old scheme to run for president. |
she is in your head for sure |
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| artechba |
| She sold her soul to the special groups. Screw those credentials. |
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| jigzaw |
| Ok, now the shit starts flying... cool. |
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| artechba |
| Nice..nice.. he's back |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| he is fucking her up on this |
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| Anogram |
| ugh..... 2 attacks on Obama.... His followeres are empty headed and he steals speeches |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| hes destroying her on this too |
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| artechba |
LOL he's giving it to her on "plagarism"
dead issue Hillary |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Anogram
ugh..... 2 attacks on Obama.... His followeres are empty headed and he steals speeches |
He's handled them very well, so far. |
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| artechba |
| Look at Hillary. She's making Oh Fuck faces |
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| artechba |
| They're booing her |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| listen to those boos... |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
Look at Hillary. She's making Oh Fuck faces |
Shit. Yeah. When she starts laughing, it's a bad sign. |
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| Anogram |
| That is pretty F ing low by Hillary |
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| artechba |
| She didn't learn from Wisconsin. Just step aside |
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| Oz |
| She is looking petty on this speech thing. What questions does it raise? This is an easy win for him if he pulls out the right card. |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
listen to those boos... |
Was typing, what did she say that they booed? |
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| Oz |
| why is vtw not commenting on this?! |
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| NCMike06 |
- THe $4000.00 government payment for college will only INCREASE costs....and has plenty of other questions...
- You can't fund all these socialist programs by removing the Bush tax cuts...and closing 'loopholes' (very unspecific loopholes)
- Working families who paid taxes ALL received tax cuts under Bush...and will ALL get a tax HIKE under Obama...
THis is nothing more than typical socialist tripe.... |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Was typing, what did she say that they booed? |
she said he's xeroxing his speeches
she was booed
then she got off of that quick once they started booing |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| obama is about to put her down hard, you can see the eagerness in him |
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| NCMike06 |
| Are both of them physically incapable of saying 'winning' in Iraq, instead of 'ending the war?? |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Are both of them physically incapable of saying 'winning' in Iraq, instead of 'ending the war?? |
No one wins 100-year wars. Thanks |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Was typing, what did she say that they booed? |
She made a pretty lame comment about the plagiarism nonsense... |
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| artechba |
| He fucked her up on Healthcare |
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