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| Reverend Tyler |
| If you go to CNN.com you can watch a live feed of the Wyoming Caucus. If Laramie County is indicative of the rest of the state, Obama will win in a landslide. |
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| Timmy |
laramie is where the University is located. Its probably more liberal than the rest of the state.
Didnt Wyoming already have their day? |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| for the Republicans, not Democrats |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
I can hear the gears grinding in the antiquated psyches of the haters right now.
At what point will they become painfully aware that, like the dinosaurs, they too are headed for eternal rest in the tar pits? |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Democrats Crowd Caucuses in Wyoming As Obama, Clinton Vie for Next Prize in Epic Race
MEAD GRUVER
AP News
Mar 08, 2008 12:48 EST
Democrats deluged caucuses in Wyoming Saturday, straining the ability of party officials to accommodate crowds as Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton vied for the next prize in their extraordinarily tight presidential race.
During the first caucuses of the day, it appeared the state's Democrats were showing up in record numbers. In 2004, a mere 675 people statewide took part in the caucuses.
Twelve national convention delegates are at stake in 23 county caucuses across the state, a small but critical prize in the close race for the party's nod. The epic battle between Clinton and Obama has given the state's Democrats — outnumbered more than 2-to-1 by Republicans — a relevancy they haven't experienced in a presidential race in nearly 50 years.
Obama was seeking to regain lost momentum days after Clinton's candidacy was revived by primary victories in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island. But Obama has the advantage in Wyoming after prevailing in 12 of the 15 caucuses, which rely on greater campaign organization and voter commitment than primaries. A winner has not been declared in Texas' caucuses; the state held both last Tuesday.
In Sweetwater County, more than 500 people crowded into a high school auditorium and another 500 were lined up to get inside.
"I'm worried about where we're going to put them all. But I guess everybody's got the same problem," said Joyce Corcoran, a local party official. "So far we're OK. But man, they keep coming."
Party officials were struggling with how to handle the overflow crowds. The start of the Converse County caucus was delayed due to long lines.
In Cheyenne, scores of late arrivers were turned away when party officials stopped allowing people to get in line at 11 a.m. EST. A party worker stood at the end of the line with a sign reading, "End of the line. Caucus rules require the voter registration process to be closed at this time."
Vera Double, 71, said she arrived late because she had a hard time finding parking.
"I'm so proud to see there are this many Democrats showing up in Cheyenne, but I'm very disappointed in the rules because we had difficulty parking and we had a long walk and they closed it off at 9 (a.m. MST)," she said. "I consider it — we're disenfranchised, which they've done in other parts of the country."
State party spokesman Bill Luckett said they were obligated to follow its rules as well as those of the Democratic National Committee regarding caucus procedures.
"Everybody knew the registration began over an hour before the caucus was called to order. We've done everything we could to accommodate people in the long lines," Luckett said.
Local party officials in tiny Fremont County were raiding classrooms at their caucus site looking for chairs. They had more than 300 people show up, compared to 30 last time.
In Casper, home of the state party's headquarters, hundreds were lined up at the site of the Natrona County caucus. The location was a hotel meeting room with a capacity of 500. Some 7,700 registered Democrats live in the county.
"We'll have to put 'em in the grass after a while," said Bob Warburton, a local party official.
About 59,000 registered Democrats are eligible to participate in Wyoming's caucuses.
A victory in Wyoming would boost the winner going into this Tuesday's primary in Mississippi, where Obama is again favored because of the state's significant black population.
Only in the last few weeks have the campaigns stepped up their presence in Wyoming, opening offices and calling voters and sending mailers. The first visit came Thursday, when former President Clinton made three appearances in Wyoming.
The candidates followed on Friday. Clinton held town-hall meetings in Casper and Cheyenne. Obama held a town hall in Casper and a rally in Laramie at the University of Wyoming, counting on support from college students. Obama has been running television and radio ads in the state, while Clinton has been running radio ads.
The state's top Democrat — Gov. Dave Freudenthal — has declined to endorse either candidate, saying they haven't talked enough about Western issues. State party chair John Millin is backing Obama, while former Gov. Mike Sullivan has endorsed Clinton.
Before the start of Saturday's caucuses, Obama held the lead in delegates, 1,571-1,462, but Clinton has the edge with superdelegates — the party officials and elected leaders — 242-210. A total of 2,025 delegates is needed to win the nomination.
Although a win in Wyoming may not persuade many superdelegates, it will be one more prize for the candidates as they make their case for the nomination.
"Both of them will make the point that it's a trend for them if they win (Wyoming)," said Kenneth Bickers, political science chair at the University of Colorado who is an expert in Western politics.
Wyoming Democrats have relished the attention, harkening back to the 1960 Democratic National Convention when the state's delegation cast 15 votes that pushed Sen. John F. Kennedy over the top for the nomination. |
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| NCMike06 |
| Lets hope Obama gets back on track..... :D |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| after 43% is in...Obama is up 66-33 |
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| artechba |
| I saw the video of the crowd in WY and I've never seen 20,000 white people in a red state go crazy over a democratic senator before. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| Obama up 58-41 with 70% reporting |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| The reason it isnt being called, btw, is because there are still more counties that have not caucused yet |
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| Reverend Tyler |
thank you Cheyenne!
Now up 59-40 with 78% in |
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| danrich03 |
Only 12 pledged delegates at stake, but every one counts in this race!
He should win today & Tuesday in Mississippi, which will give him a little bump going into PA. He won't win there, but if he can make it closer than Ohio, it's a victory for him. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
there's an add on delegate at the state convention that goes to the winner, so technically there are 13 delegates. If Obama can move that number up to 63, he will win 8 delegates to her 4, plus the add-on making it 9-4
Which right there takes away her wins on Tuesday in Ohio and Rhode Island
it looks like it will be 7-5, or with the add on 8-5 if the numbers hold as they are |
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| zimmie |
| Anything short of 2025 is meaningless if Clinton wishes to stick around. Could be a real bloodbath at the convention. |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
Anything short of 2025 is meaningless if Clinton wishes to stick around. Could be a real bloodbath at the convention. |
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
The Clintons' ruthlessness should be abundantly clear by now. Unfortunately, enough stupid elderly women are out there who mindlessly follow Hillary's bullshit. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
After today (assuming the numbers stay as they are right now)...
Clinton can get 60 % in ever remaining contest...
And Obama will still have 21 more delegates |
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| zimmie |
| Unless he walks into the convention with 2025 delegates......it's up for grabs |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
After today (assuming the numbers stay as they are right now)...
Clinton can get 60 % in ever remaining contest...
And Obama will still have 21 more delegates |
Thing is -- Vacate the Turd is right about one thing... she will NOT drop out. In order for Obama to win, he has to compete in Pennsylvania (i.e. lose by single-digits), and beat her soundly in places like North Carolina (my home state) and Mississippi. He also should be able to be competitive in Oregon.
If he wins "his" states by the margins he has been (60+), then he can afford to lose PA, WV, IN, KY by slim margins (and he might be able to win a couple of those).
The Clintons' plan is to keep it close and then make whatever promises to Superdelegates that they have to. Just like Hillary promised Presidential pardons during her senate run in 2000.
Their strategy is "by any means necessary." And it might work. |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
Thing is -- Vacate the Turd is right about one thing... she will NOT drop out. In order for Obama to win, he has to compete in Pennsylvania (i.e. lose by single-digits), and beat her soundly in places like North Carolina (my home state) and Mississippi. He also should be able to be competitive in Oregon.
If he wins "his" states by the margins he has been (60+), then he can afford to lose PA, WV, IN, KY by slim margins (and he might be able to win a couple of those).
The Clintons' plan is to keep it close and then make whatever promises to Superdelegates that they have to. Just like Hillary promised Presidential pardons during her senate run in 2000.
Their strategy is "by any means necessary." And it might work. |
She will not drop out, I agree with. I think that these super delegates need to start pressuring her. After she loses a couple more states she needs to start being told by the insiders to drop out or stop the shit attacking. Saying that McCain and herself would make a better candidate than Obama is vile. The super delegates need to pressure her that if she keeps up this attitude they will take there votes away from her and go with Obama. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
Thing is -- Vacate the Turd is right about one thing... she will NOT drop out. In order for Obama to win, he has to compete in Pennsylvania (i.e. lose by single-digits), and beat her soundly in places like North Carolina (my home state) and Mississippi. He also should be able to be competitive in Oregon.
If he wins "his" states by the margins he has been (60+), then he can afford to lose PA, WV, IN, KY by slim margins (and he might be able to win a couple of those).
The Clintons' plan is to keep it close and then make whatever promises to Superdelegates that they have to. Just like Hillary promised Presidential pardons during her senate run in 2000.
Their strategy is "by any means necessary." And it might work. |
Regardless of who wins, will Hillary voters vote for Obama or vice versa, in the general election?
Hillary cannot catch Obama and if they pull a fast one and elevate her over Obama than the Dems lose the Black vote.
I just don't see Hillary being good for the Dems right now. She should drop out and let the general election campaign begin. |
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| 1-09-2006 |
| Caucus mean shit asshole. Hillary will win this election.Stop dreaming shithead :rolleyes: |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by 1-09-2006
Caucus mean shit asshole. Hillary will win this election.Stop dreaming shithead :rolleyes: |
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| danrich03 |
So, 1-09 -- the two demographics going for Hillary are the elderly & the uneducated.
Which are you? |
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| Reverend Tyler |
So Obama officially takes Wyoming!
+3 delegates
Now on to Mississippi, where Obama was up 25 points in the poll yesterday..its on! |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
I saw the video of the crowd in WY and I've never seen 20,000 white people in a red state go crazy over a democratic senator before. |
Really???? Well, Obama's vote TOTAL for the Caucus was about 4500.....what happened?? Did the other 15,500 forget to vote??? :burst: |
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