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| Fdubya247 |
By MEAD GRUVER, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Sen. Barack Obama captured the Wyoming Democratic caucuses Saturday, seizing a bit of momentum in the close, hard-fought race with rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the party's presidential nomination.
Obama generally has outperformed Clinton in caucuses, which reward organization and voter passion more than do primaries. The Illinois senator has now won 13 caucuses to Clinton's three.
Obama has also shown strength in the Mountain West, winning Idaho, Utah, Colorado and now Wyoming. The two split Nevada, with Clinton winning the popular vote and Obama more delegates.
But Clinton threw some effort into Wyoming, perhaps hoping for an upset that would yield few delegates but considerable buzz and momentum. The New York senator campaigned Friday in Cheyenne and Casper. Former President Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea, also campaigned this week in the sprawling and lightly populated state.
Obama campaigned in Casper and Laramie on Friday, but spent part of his time dealing with the fallout from an aide's harsh words about Clinton and suggestions that Obama wouldn't move as quickly to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq if elected. In Casper, Obama said Clinton had no standing to challenge his position on the war because she had voted to authorize it in 2002.
Clinton, buoyed by big wins in Ohio and Texas last Tuesday, said she faced an uphill fight in Wyoming. Her campaign also holds out little hope for Tuesday's primary in Mississippi, which has a large black population.
Obama had 59 percent, or 4,459 votes, to Clinton's 40 percent, or 3,081 votes, with 22 of 23 Wyoming counties reporting.
Obama won seven delegates and Clinton won five. In the overall race for the nomination, Obama led 1,578-1,468, according to the latest tally by The Associated Press. It will take 2,025 delegates to win the Democratic nomination.
Obama's campaign credited the candidate's message for the win.
"Especially in the intermountain West, people are hungry for something different, people are hungry for someone who's a uniter, who can bring together a coalition of change," said Gabe Cohen, Obama's state director in Wyoming.
Clinton's campaign took heart in their ability to pick up more delegates.
"We knew that Wyoming was an uphill climb and that Senator Obama was expected to win," said Ben Kobren, a spokesman for Clinton's campaign in Wyoming. "We're glad we were able to bring out our grassroots support and come very close in delegates."
Both candidates were looking ahead to the bigger prize — delegate-rich Pennsylvania on April 22.
From the first caucuses of the day, it became clear the state's Democrats were showing up in large numbers. In 2004, a mere 675 people statewide took part in the caucuses.
In Sweetwater County, more than 500 people crowded into a high school auditorium and another 500 were lined up to get inside.
"I'm worried about where we're going to put them all. But I guess everybody's got the same problem," said Joyce Corcoran, a local party official. "So far we're OK. But man, they keep coming."
Party officials struggled with how to handle the overflow crowds. The start of the Converse County caucus was delayed due to long lines.
In Cheyenne, scores of late arrivers were turned away when party officials stopped allowing people to get in line at 11 a.m. EST. A party worker stood at the end of the line with a sign reading, "End of the line. Caucus rules require the voter registration process to be closed at this time."
State party spokesman Bill Luckett said they were obligated to follow its rules as well as those of the Democratic National Committee regarding caucus procedures.
"Everybody knew the registration began over an hour before the caucus was called to order. We've done everything we could to accommodate people in the long lines," Luckett said.
After initially accepting provisional ballots from about 20 people who remained behind at the caucus site, party officials said they and both campaigns had decided not to count those votes. John Millin, state party chair, said doing so would have been unfair to those who had left after being turned away.
In Casper, home of the state party's headquarters, hundreds were lined up at the site of the Natrona County caucus. The location was a hotel meeting room with a capacity of 500. Some 7,700 registered Democrats live in the county.
"We'll have to put 'em in the grass after a while," said Bob Warburton, a local party official.
About 59,000 registered Democrats are eligible to participate in Wyoming's caucuses.
Only in the last few weeks have the campaigns stepped up their presence in Wyoming, opening offices and calling voters and sending mailers.
Although a win in Wyoming may not persuade many superdelegates, it will be one more prize for the candidates as they make their case for the nomination.
Clinton has hinted recently that if she wins the nomination she would consider sharing the ticket with Obama. But in an interview Friday in Wyoming with KTVQ-TV, a CBS affiliate based in Billings, Mont., Obama shied away from that possibility.
"Well, you know, I think it's premature. You won't see me as a vice presidential candidate — you know, I'm running for president," Obama told the television station. "We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count.
"What I am really focused on right now, because all that stuff is premature, is winning this nomination and changing the country. I think that's what people here are concerned about."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308...es_36&printer=1 |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by BDS247
Obama wins Wyo. caucuses, 12 delegates |
There were only 12 pledged delegates to be allocated - how do you figure he won all of them? |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
There were only 12 pledged delegates to be allocated - how do you figure he won all of them? |
I believe he will come out of Wyoming with something like net +4 or so. That almost wipes out the delegates she picked up in OH/TX/RI.
Keep on trolling. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| There are really 132 delegates, as their is an add-on delegate awarded to the overall winner at the state convention, so that will mean 8 for Obama and 5 for Clinton |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
I believe he will come out of Wyoming with something like net +4 or so. That almost wipes out the delegates she picked up in OH/TX/RI.
Keep on trolling. |
Wow - that's impressive.
:rolleyes:
What you're missing is Obama's dwindling lead in the popular vote.
So he wins Wyoming by approx. 2,000 votes. Clinton won Ohio by approx. 200,000 votes.
You can get all excited about these rather irrelevant wins, but in the end Clinton will overtake Obama on the popular vote when Florida and Michigan have their do-overs - and then it's game over for Obama.
Why? Simple - imagine both candidates walking into the convention....Clinton has the popular vote and Obama has the edge in the pledged delegates. Both need the automatic delegates to be nominated. Now, for the past 7 years we've all heard how Al Gore "won" the 2000 electeion because while he lost in the electoral college count, he won the popular vote. So for 7 years Democrats have wined about how Gore was cheated out of victory and there was some talk of scrapping the electoral college system for a while.
Now, are you going to honestly say that when Clinton has the popular vote (or as her campaign will describe it, the "will of the people") that she will be denied the nomination? |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Why are you saying she destroys Obama in Michigan? Polls have them tied there.
Now throw in contests like Tippitippi, North Carolina, West Virginia, South Dakota, Oregon and Montana where Obama is going to win big...and then places like Indiana and Michigan which are toss-ups...
Clinton has a healthy lead in Pennsylvania, Florida and Kentucky, and even thinking theose polls wont close up before teh contests, which every single one has once Obama starts campaigning there (He shaved off 20 points in Ohio polls from the3 weeks before Ohio until the actual results...obviously he didnt come back enough, but he closed the distance) I dont think she will overtake him on popular vote. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Why are you saying she destroys Obama in Michigan? Polls have them tied there. |
What polls? Please provide links (reputable ones only - no online polls).
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Now throw in contests like Tippitippi, North Carolina, West Virginia, South Dakota, Oregon and Montana where Obama is going to win big...and then places like Indiana and Michigan which are toss-ups...
Clinton has a healthy lead in Pennsylvania, Florida and Kentucky, and even thinking theose polls wont close up before teh contests, which every single one has once Obama starts campaigning there (He shaved off 20 points in Ohio polls from the3 weeks before Ohio until the actual results...obviously he didnt come back enough, but he closed the distance) I dont think she will overtake him on popular vote. |
Fact check: If you included Michigan and Florida in with the total popular vote to date, Obama is behind.
Clinton: 13,614,081
Obama: 13,581,328
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...vote_count.html
Now, consider that this total, as said, includes Michigan where the "uncommitted" totals are given to Obama. Do you think it is realistic to expect that every former Edwards supporter goes to Obama?
Bottom line - the demographics of Michigan mirror that of Ohio - plus, they are a manufacturing state that is going through rough times...just like Ohio. Michigan, when they have their do-over, will be a repeat of the Clinton victory in Ohio. |
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| VacateTheWord |
:jj:
You are citing a poll that shows that a whopping 18% of respondents are undecided??
Reverend, you are smarter than that.
Look, Clinton has been making repeated overtures that leaves a path to the Vice Presidency for Obama. I think he should take it - he is not going to walk into the Democrat convention with the lead in the popular vote. He is going to get wiped out in Florida and guess what - with the stakes even higher (and the vote binding towards seating delegates) the turnout will be even higher and will add to Hillary's popular vote total.
Remember what Democrats have been bitching about for the past 7 years - Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000. This will be the deciding factor when it comes to the automatic delegates weighing in. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
There were only 12 pledged delegates to be allocated - how do you figure he won all of them? |
Ask the AP, its their title....the reporting in the article's body has the delegate breakdown.
Go. |
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| steve allen |
| Obama 12 Clinton/monster 5 GO Obama!!!!! |
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| giants08502 |
| Its pretty sad when news papers are being shut down because people refuse to buy them, because all they do is spew Obama endorsements & Hillary & Mccain trashing. They accually took down the SNL parody from youtube that pointed out the OBVIOUS FACT that they go for Hillarys throat in every debate, while asking Barack if he needs another pillow. I dont know who i blame, maybe the media rooms filling up with blacks & fruits that have an obvious plan of attack... |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:jj:
You are citing a poll that shows that a whopping 18% of respondents are undecided??
Reverend, you are smarter than that.
Look, Clinton has been making repeated overtures that leaves a path to the Vice Presidency for Obama. I think he should take it - he is not going to walk into the Democrat convention with the lead in the popular vote. He is going to get wiped out in Florida and guess what - with the stakes even higher (and the vote binding towards seating delegates) the turnout will be even higher and will add to Hillary's popular vote total.
Remember what Democrats have been bitching about for the past 7 years - Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000. This will be the deciding factor when it comes to the automatic delegates weighing in. |
You REALLY shouldn't be rooting for Hillary. Cut the head off the beast NOW, before the general election.
Your assertions that Hillary will win the popular vote are flawed. There are several heavily pro-Obama states left, including North Carolina, which has a large population. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:jj:
You are citing a poll that shows that a whopping 18% of respondents are undecided??
Reverend, you are smarter than that.
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What does that poll say the score is right now? TIED. |
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| nobody |
| the popular vote should decide the the candidate and the president but it doesnt and they campaign with that in mind. just ask president al gore :rolleyes: |
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| modeams |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
What polls? Please provide links (reputable ones only - no online polls).
Fact check: If you included Michigan and Florida in with the total popular vote to date, Obama is behind.
Clinton: 13,614,081
Obama: 13,581,328
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...vote_count.html
Now, consider that this total, as said, includes Michigan where the "uncommitted" totals are given to Obama. Do you think it is realistic to expect that every former Edwards supporter goes to Obama?
Bottom line - the demographics of Michigan mirror that of Ohio - plus, they are a manufacturing state that is going through rough times...just like Ohio. Michigan, when they have their do-over, will be a repeat of the Clinton victory in Ohio. |
Real Clear politics is a great site, but she will most definitly not win Michigan.
Pennsylvania is a different story.
How many republican's were voting for Hilary in the primaries do you figure? Enough to sway the votes in Ohio and Texas? Ohio is about as fucking weird as Florida. The stats never make any sense. |
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| modeams |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
You REALLY shouldn't be rooting for Hillary. Cut the head off the beast NOW, before the general election.
Your assertions that Hillary will win the popular vote are flawed. There are several heavily pro-Obama states left, including North Carolina, which has a large population. |
I really don't see anything wrong with one of Obama's staff calling her a monster. He should reinstate her.
Especially since she's started saying:
"Obama's not a Muslim, at least as far as I know" :rolleyes: |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by modeams
I really don't see anything wrong with one of Obama's staff calling her a monster. He should reinstate her.
Especially since she's started saying:
"Obama's not a Muslim, at least as far as I know" :rolleyes: |
SO true.
That maneuver of hers was absolutely grotesque. She is pure evil. Honestly. I'm absolutely amazed that anyone would support that woman, especially now that she's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she will do or say ANYTHING to gain power. Do these dumbfucks even read the news before they go & pull the level for Hillary? |
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| modeams |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
SO true.
That maneuver of hers was absolutely grotesque. She is pure evil. Honestly. I'm absolutely amazed that anyone would support that woman, especially now that she's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she will do or say ANYTHING to gain power. Do these dumbfucks even read the news before they go & pull the level for Hillary? |
She's going to ruin the demo party. I'll post the peggy noonan article in the wall street journal tomorrow. You have to take a look at it. |
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