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| Reverend Tyler |
| So Clinton has all the momentum back and is the Comeback Kid, so she should have a pretty easy win in Mississippi tonight...polls close in 4 minutes |
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| grege345 |
| i'm predicting a 64 36 thrashing |
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| Nibbler |
Hillary doesn't expect to win Mississippi. She knows it's going to Obama.
Just ask Geraldine Ferraro! ;) |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| The media said Clinton has all the momentum... |
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| Nibbler |
Where?
Not in Mississippi.
CNN said that Obama is expected to win there according to polls. |
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| jigzaw |
Lots of blaeks in Mississippi. 70% of white men and 74% of white women voted Clinton.
91% of the black vote was Obama.
I'm sure race isn't an issue. It's that oratory. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| well Im sure all the race-baiting the Clintons have done may have helped in Mississippi Burning. Darkening up his image, flattening and widening his nose, saying he probably isnt a muslim as far as we know, saying he only gets support cuz hes black, leaking photos in Somali garb...sure none of that had any effect. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by Nibbler
Where?
Not in Mississippi.
CNN said that Obama is expected to win there according to polls. |
THat was before Hillary's big wins in Ohio and Rhode Island and close loss in Texas. The momentum is clearly hers now and she should stomp him in every race from here on out.
But, just in case, lets say if she wins PA by a point or two and she wins...Obama has to win PA...even if he wins every other race..PA is the only state that matters. Thats what the Clinton campaign and media say. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Oh wait...Obama wins Mississippi...Called 2 minutes after polls close...
I sure hope he can somehow regain momentum after barely winning Texas and losing Ohio! |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Apparently a big Limbaugh Effect in Mississippi
Reversing a trend common in the north, Clinton was dominant among the Republicans who made up 11% of the voters in this primary. In fact, Republicans were here strongest single group, giving her 85% of their votes. Elsewhere, Republicans and independents have flocked to Obama's side.
Clinton embraces these manchurian votes, however |
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| artechba |
| Obama projected WINNER |
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| zimmie |
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| artechba |
| I donate to ACLU. Constitutional rights are important :cool: |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| Chuck Todd - At least 7 delegate win for Obama |
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| danrich03 |
Now we wait until April 22 and hope he can make a dent in her PA lead. He doesn't have to win PA -- just keep it close.
And I might add, North Carolina is almost as big as Pennsylvania and is only a couple weeks after that. |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
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I didn't hear Rush Limbaugh arguing much when the ACLU stuck up for him so that his medical history not be released to the public. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by Anogram
I didn't hear Rush Limbaugh arguing much when the ACLU stuck up for him so that his medical history not be released to the public. |
They also stuck up for Sen Larry Craig. They don't discriminate based on what your believes are. |
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| JTProcess |
| Media to keep this going: "Mississippi is at least 90% black jim" |
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| VacateTheWord |
Obama supporters - keep in mind that this was an open primary in a "red" state and the Republican nomination has been decided.
That said - with 3% reporting:
Clinton - 52% (5,324)
Obama - 45% (4,628)
Yes We Can! |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Obama supporters - keep in mind that this was an open primary in a "red" state and the Republican nomination has been decided.
That said - with 3% reporting:
Clinton - 52% (5,324)
Obama - 45% (4,628)
Yes We Can! |
:D if you think that's gonna look the same at the end of the night. This one's gonna be quoted in a few hours :D |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Obama supporters - keep in mind that this was an open primary in a "red" state and the Republican nomination has been decided.
That said - with 3% reporting:
Clinton - 52% (5,324)
Obama - 45% (4,628)
Yes We Can! |
If I were a Republican, Hillary's momentum from Ohio would scare the hell out of me. I wouldn't be surprised if a few showed up to vote for Obama. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Obama supporters - keep in mind that this was an open primary in a "red" state and the Republican nomination has been decided.
That said - with 3% reporting:
Clinton - 52% (5,324)
Obama - 45% (4,628)
Yes We Can! |
With 8% reporting:
Obama - 49% (10,659)
Clinton - 48% (10,534)
I'll keep you updated :D |
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| modeams |
The Obama relationship with the media is going to be bittersweet.
The Daily Show and SNL now are seen as beacons of truth.
Once he gets Pennsylvania, the momentum will return. But I think Obama realized too much time in the limelight will lead to a reverse effect, or worse, apathy.
Till then, the media will be mindful about their reports. Too bad, cause when it comes to Obama... he doesn't compromise. I haven't seen him back down once.
Our policy against Cuba really is incredibly stupid. Anyone been to Saigon? Its about as communist as Arkansas.
Let the bible belt continue to purchase all things made in China. Ahhh... the irony. |
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| jigzaw |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
With 8% reporting:
Obama - 49% (10,659)
Clinton - 48% (10,534)
I'll keep you updated :D |
Wow, that's impressive.
:rolleyes:
This was expected to be an Obama blowout.
Bottom line - if Clinton holds this below 10%, let alone wins, Obama looks bad. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
If I were a Republican, Hillary's momentum from Ohio would scare the hell out of me. I wouldn't be surprised if a few showed up to vote for Obama. |
Don't be surprised if a lot showed up for Hillary. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Wow, that's impressive.
:rolleyes:
This was expected to be an Obama blowout.
Bottom line - if Clinton holds this below 10%, let alone wins, Obama looks bad. |
For them to call this so early means that they have OVERWHELMING data for Obama. Mostly likely, the votes that have already been counted are in areas with more Clintonites (uneducated, elderly).
It'll end up Obama by double digits. |
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| VacateTheWord |
12% reporting:
Obama - 17,970 50%
Clinton - 17,034 48%
Come on, Hillary! |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Lots of blaeks in Mississippi. 70% of white men and 74% of white women voted Clinton.
91% of the black vote was Obama.
I'm sure race isn't an issue. It's that oratory. |
link? |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
12% reporting:
Obama - 17,970 50%
Clinton - 17,034 48%
Come on, Hillary! |
I'll say it again (for the 900th time):
Be careful what you wish for. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
12% reporting:
Obama - 17,970 50%
Clinton - 17,034 48%
Come on, Hillary! |
:lol:
16% reporting
Obama - 24,706 53%
Clinton - 21,165 45%
Yes. Come on Hillary. Stay within 10 lol |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
link? |
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...cratic-primary/
"Nearly half the voters in Tuesday’s Democratic primary were black, and they went for Obama by a split of 9-to-1. By contrast, 72 percent of white voters went with Clinton, compared to 27 percent went with Obama.
A majority of voters said race was not an issue for them, but of those who did, 60 percent went for Obama." |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...cratic-primary/
"Nearly half the voters in Tuesday’s Democratic primary were black, and they went for Obama by a split of 9-to-1. By contrast, 72 percent of white voters went with Clinton, compared to 27 percent went with Obama.
A majority of voters said race was not an issue for them, but of those who did, 60 percent went for Obama." |
Obama still held the lead among voters casting their decisions on a range of issues. Of those who picked the economy as their top concern, 54 percent went for Obama and 45 percent went for Clinton.
Sixty-seven percent said Obama inspires them the most about the future of their country, and 61 percent said Obama offers the most detailed plan.
nice try but race is only important in your eyes |
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| Tomofnnh |
Obama 25,842 53%
Clinton 21,918 45%
16% reporting
Sorry for posting facts VTW, get well soon. :( |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
12% reporting:
Obama - 17,970 50%
Clinton - 17,034 48%
Come on, Hillary! |
28% reporting
Obama - 49,731 56%
Clinton - 37,003 42%
NOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Wow, that's impressive.
:rolleyes:
This was expected to be an Obama blowout.
Bottom line - if Clinton holds this below 10%, let alone wins, Obama looks bad. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Well, this doesn't mean anything anyway - you Obama supporters think a Democrat is going to carry this state in the general?
Meet Hillary in Pennsylvania, a "blue" state with a closed primary. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Well, this doesn't mean anything anyway - you Obama supporters think a Democrat is going to carry this state in the general?
Meet Hillary in Pennsylvania, a "blue" state with a closed primary. |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Wow, that's impressive.
:rolleyes:
This was expected to be an Obama blowout.
Bottom line - if Clinton holds this below 10%, let alone wins, Obama looks bad. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Hillary got 85% of the crossover Republican vote...
its obvious who the Republicans want and who they are deathly afraid of. |
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| JTProcess |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
you Obama supporters think a Democrat is going to carry this state in the general? |
still working on your act I see... |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Hillary got 85% of the crossover Republican vote...
its obvious who the Republicans want and who they are deathly afraid of. |
Wait, when a bunch of Republicans were voting for Obama in Texas, you said it was because they think Obama's a good candidate.. now when they vote for Clinton, it's because they think Obama's a good candidate. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| In Texas it was pretty even...but in previous contests they were obviously true crossover votes because they bypassed the Republican contests that were still in question in order to vote for Obama. In Texas, Ohio and Mississippi Rush Limbaugh had a big campaign to get them to vote for Clinton instead of the Republican primaries because they were already decided...In fact BILL CLINTON WAS A GUEST ON THE RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW ON MARCH 4! |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Is Clinton honest and trustworthy? 52 Yes, 48 No
Is Obama honest and trustworthy? 70 Yes, 30 No |
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| Anogram |
Miss. Miss. Miss si si sippi |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| I think its so funny that Vacate holds out hope win the race is called immediatrely...they dont do that unless its a fucking landslide |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
I think its so funny that Vacate holds out hope win the race is called immediatrely...they dont do that unless its a fucking landslide |
If she steals this, she wins the election in November. Then all the idiot Republicans keeping her afloat will REALLY be sorry. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
I think its so funny that Vacate holds out hope win the race is called immediatrely...they dont do that unless its a fucking landslide |
First he was happy because she was leading and all of a sudden everyone was wrong. Hillary will win!
Then he said that if she stays under 10% she wins.
Now that it's a blowout victory by Obama, I guess Mississippi doesn't matter.
oh, btw
64% reporting
Obama - 141,830 58%
Clinton - 99,802 40% |
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| VacateTheWord |
| Well since Obama is the obvious best choice, I'm sure he will win handily in Pennsylvania, which is Democrats only. Right? |
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| zimmie |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
I donate to ACLU. Constitutional rights are important :cool: |
You can’t be all you can be if you’re dead, reads one sign. This is the side that the ACLU is on, the side that is against the troops. The side that says America is not worth dying for. The side that says people are stupid to serve. The side that says an 18 year old is too young and ignorant to join the military but a 14 year old is old enough to make intelligent choices about getting an abortion. The side that is trying to disarm us in the hopes that our weakness there is strength. The side that insists on due process rights for unlawful combatants not entitled to them by law, but routinely undermines due process rights of soldiers awaiting trial for their abuse of prisoners. |
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| JTProcess |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
Now that it's a blowout victory by Obama, I guess Mississippi doesn't matter.
oh, btw
64% reporting
Obama - 140,062 57%
Clinton - 99,467 41% |
HA HA HA HA HA.... exactly... Fox News will no doubt spend the next 7 days pummeling their viewers jello for brains with phrases like "the black vote" and "the black majority in mississippi" along with some "polls" and "numbers" on how each candidate did with African Americans. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Chuck Todd - At least 7 delegate win for Obama |
Todd Chuck is a putz.
Besides, it's all about the popular vote, not the delegates.
If/when they have a do-over in Michigan and Florida, and couple that with Pennsylvania, and Obama's popular vote lead will disappear.
Think he'll have an airtight case going into the convention considering that Democrats have been complaining for the past 7 years that Gore won the popular vote but lost the elctoral college in 2000? |
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| JTProcess |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
You can’t be all you can be if you’re dead, reads one sign. This is the side that the ACLU is on, the side that is against the troops. The side that says America is not worth dying for. The side that says people are stupid to serve. The side that says an 18 year old is too young and ignorant to join the military but a 14 year old is old enough to make intelligent choices about getting an abortion. The side that is trying to disarm us in the hopes that our weakness there is strength. The side that insists on due process rights for unlawful combatants not entitled to them by law, but routinely undermines due process rights of soldiers awaiting trial for their abuse of prisoners. |
and the side that protects anti-gay republican senators when they get caught swallowing dick at local airports. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Todd Chuck is a putz.
Besides, it's all about the popular vote, not the delegates.
If/when they have a do-over in Michigan and Florida, and couple that with Pennsylvania, and Obama's popular vote lead will disappear.
Think he'll have an airtight case going into the convention considering that Democrats have been complaining for the past 7 years that Gore won the popular vote but lost the elctoral college in 2000? |
You've been drinking Clinton kool-aid lately. It's not about that. It's about delegates and once they're seated at the convention and they have to vote the will of their state. Do you think it matters to some guy in 26+ states that Obama won what someone in NY thinks? No. |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Todd Chuck is a putz.
Besides, it's all about the popular vote, not the delegates.
If/when they have a do-over in Michigan and Florida, and couple that with Pennsylvania, and Obama's popular vote lead will disappear.
Think he'll have an airtight case going into the convention considering that Democrats have been complaining for the past 7 years that Gore won the popular vote but lost the elctoral college in 2000? |
Umm, North Carolina... hello?!
Barring a major fuck-up by Obama, he should win pledged delegates & popular vote. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Well since Obama is the obvious best choice, I'm sure he will win handily in Pennsylvania, which is Democrats only. Right? |
I like how you pick the one state she has a big dvantage in...you and the media go hand in hand I guess |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
Umm, North Carolina... hello?!
Barring a major fuck-up by Obama, he should win pledged delegates & popular vote. |
They just said her only possible win is PA. Every other state and Guam are gonna go for Obama. Whoops. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
You've been drinking Clinton kool-aid lately. It's not about that. It's about delegates and once they're seated at the convention and they have to vote the will of their state. Do you think it matters to some guy in 26+ states that Obama won what someone in NY thinks? No. |
So you would assert that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, ardent Obama supporters, should vote for Clinton, right?
Also, the point is that neither candidate can win this nomination with pledged delegates - the winner needs the superdelegates to push him/her over the top. And, as the rules state, the superdelegates are charged with picking the best candidate to represent the Democrat party. Those are the rules. |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
They just said her only possible win is PA. Every other state and Guam are gonna go for Obama. Whoops. |
She could win Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia. But none of those would be landslides. She could win PA by double-digits, but not the others.
And she'll get wallopped in NC, where we have quite a few delegates ourselves. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
I like how you pick the one state she has a big dvantage in...you and the media go hand in hand I guess |
April 22 Pennsylvania
May 3 Guam
May 6 Indiana, North Carolina
May 13 West Virginia
May 20 Kentucky, Oregon
June 1 Puerto Rico
June 3 Montana, South Dakota
I see Obama getting 9 straight after June 3rd. She knows it and she's grasping for straws. But by that time, PA will be a distant memory :p |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
They just said her only possible win is PA. Every other state and Guam are gonna go for Obama. Whoops. |
Who said that - Todd Chuck and the other baffoons at MSDNC?
So Indiana is a state that Clinton can't win? How about West Viriginia? How about Kentucky? What about Florida and Michigan?
You need to get a grasp on reality - you seem to be chugging the Obama kool-aid. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Todd Chuck is a putz.
Besides, it's all about the popular vote, not the delegates.
If/when they have a do-over in Michigan and Florida, and couple that with Pennsylvania, and Obama's popular vote lead will disappear.
Think he'll have an airtight case going into the convention considering that Democrats have been complaining for the past 7 years that Gore won the popular vote but lost the elctoral college in 2000? |
:rofl:
i love how you think you know how democrats should vote...
you do realize that in the current popular vote totals they dont include Iowa, Nevada, Washington, and Maine? 3 of 4 of those went heavily to Obama, the other split evenly
In the contests left, Clinton has a clear edge in only 2..PA and FL...all the others are either toss ups or Obama's...She wont catch him in popular or, more importnatly, delegate count |
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| jigzaw |
Just got my Rolling Stone. Anyone read this yet?
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| danrich03 |
Sorry, Vacate. Normally you're pretty rational, but you're completely discounting North Carolina, which is a BIG state and smack dab in between SC & VA -- both of which went heavily Obama.
Even if FL & MI do re-votes (which might not happen), MI is a tossup and she won't be able to overcome his popular vote lead. The reason is that in the states he's won, he's KILLED her, where most of her wins were closer.
Now, she COULD still win the nomination by outright theft, but I don't see her getting the delegates or votes. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Just got my Rolling Stone. Anyone read this yet?
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Who said that - Todd Chuck and the other baffoons at MSDNC?
So Indiana is a state that Clinton can't win? How about West Viriginia? How about Kentucky? What about Florida and Michigan?
You need to get a grasp on reality - you seem to be chugging the Obama kool-aid. |
Nope. Michigan will cancel Florida. North Carolina will cancel PA. So he just keeps rolling and rolling |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
Sorry, Vacate. Normally you're pretty rational, but you're completely discounting North Carolina, which is a BIG state and smack dab in between SC & VA -- both of which went heavily Obama.
Even if FL & MI do re-votes (which might not happen), MI is a tossup and she won't be able to overcome his popular vote lead. The reason is that in the states he's won, he's KILLED her, where most of her wins were closer.
Now, she COULD still win the nomination by outright theft, but I don't see her getting the delegates or votes. |
North Carolina is a sizable state, but it's not on par with Florida, Michigan or Pennsylvania.
Obama will once again get crushed in Florida - the state is loaded with senior citizens. Michigan - Clinton won by 15 points the last time. Obama might cut that to single digits. Pennsylvania is a state Clinton should win by 8-10 points.
Now Obama can win Mississippi by 20 points but only increase his popular vote count by 50K. If Hillary wins Pennsylvnia by, lets say 5 percent, she'll pick up a few hundred thousand net votes. Add in a wipeout in Florida and solid win in Michigan, and Hillary takes the popular vote lead. And that is the math. |
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| artechba |
| And nothing even matters anymore. She can never catch up. :cool: |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Obama supporters - keep in mind that this was an open primary in a "red" state and the Republican nomination has been decided.
That said - with 3% reporting:
Clinton - 52% (5,324)
Obama - 45% (4,628)
Yes We Can! |
UPDATE
88% reporting
Obama - 59% (210,476)
Clinton - 39% (139,489) |
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| artechba |
Not looking good for Hillary.
With 90% reporting
Obama 60%
Clinton 38%
I wonder if she can come back. Still waiting for those Rush Limbaugh votes
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| artechba |
"It's tough to think of two states more different than Wyoming and Mississippi.
But we won Wyoming on Saturday, and we just learned that we won Mississippi by a large margin tonight.
Between those two states, we picked up enough delegates to erase the gains by Senator Clinton last Tuesday and add to our substantial lead in earned delegates. And in doing so we showed the strength and breadth of this movement.
But just turn on the news and you'll see that Senator Clinton continues to run an expensive, negative campaign against us. Each day her campaign launches a new set of desperate attacks.
They're not just attacking me; they're attacking you.
Over the weekend, an aide to Senator Clinton attempted to diminish the overwhelming number of contests we've won by referring to places we've prevailed as "boutique" states and our supporters as the "latte-sipping crowd."
I'm not sure how those terms apply to Mississippi and Wyoming -- or Virginia, Iowa, Louisiana, or Idaho for that matter.
I know that our victories in all of these states demonstrate a rejection of this kind of petty, divisive campaigning." |
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| Luther |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
North Carolina is a sizable state, but it's not on par with Florida, Michigan or Pennsylvania.
Obama will once again get crushed in Florida - the state is loaded with senior citizens. Michigan - Clinton won by 15 points the last time. Obama might cut that to single digits. Pennsylvania is a state Clinton should win by 8-10 points.
Now Obama can win Mississippi by 20 points but only increase his popular vote count by 50K. If Hillary wins Pennsylvnia by, lets say 5 percent, she'll pick up a few hundred thousand net votes. Add in a wipeout in Florida and solid win in Michigan, and Hillary takes the popular vote lead. And that is the math. |
Cumulative popular vote is irrelevant in the nominating process because some states have primaries and others have caucuses. In primary states a much greater proportion of the electorate has the opportunity to vote than in caucus states. That is why the winner of the nomination is determined by delegates allocated on the basis of state population.
For example, Colorado is a caucus state with a population of 5 million. Obama won that caucus with 79,344 votes to 38,587 for Clinton. He was awarded 33 delegates to her 13.
Rhode Island is a primary state with a population of 1 million. Clinton won that primary with 108,750 votes to 75,115 for Obama. She was awarded 19 delegates to his 10.
Certainly it would be unfair for Rhode Island to have an equal input on the outcome of the nominating process as Colorado, a state with five times more population. That is what would happen if the nomination were determined on the basis of popular vote when some states use primaries and others use caucuses. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by Anogram
Miss. Miss. Miss si si sippi |
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| modeams |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Don't be surprised if a lot showed up for Hillary. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Obama supporters - keep in mind that this was an open primary in a "red" state and the Republican nomination has been decided.
That said - with 3% reporting:
Clinton - 52% (5,324)
Obama - 45% (4,628)
Yes We Can! |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Bottom line - if Clinton holds this below 10%, let alone wins, Obama looks bad. |
Obligatory final results!!
100% reporting
Obama - 61% (255,602)
Clinton - 37% (155,595)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humiliation |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| 24 points! And that is even with the Limbaugh factor! |
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| artechba |
Hey. But they have PA. PA! haha
like it even matters anymore. |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
Hey. But they have PA. PA! haha
like it even matters anymore. |
Obama should beat them at their game and say that North Carolina is all that matters. After all, NC is only 2 weeks after PA and it's a big state, too. Plenty of delegates to be had. |
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| artechba |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
Obama should beat them at their game and say that North Carolina is all that matters. After all, NC is only 2 weeks after PA and it's a big state, too. Plenty of delegates to be had. |
There are 10 more states left. Clinton's are spinning PA like it's the mother of them all knowing damn well that they're about to get killed in NC, Indiana, PR and others. She's done but she's clinging to that nomination like someone who just can't let go. "It's my turn!". Someone needs to sit her down and tell her it's over. |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
There are 10 more states left. Clinton's are spinning PA like it's the mother of them all knowing damn well that they're about to get killed in NC, Indiana, PR and others. She's done but she's clinging to that nomination like someone who just can't let go. "It's my turn!". Someone needs to sit her down and tell her it's over. |
I completely agree, but you have to remember the Clintons have been planning for this moment for 20 years. Losing is not an option for her.
It will be VERY interesting to see what happens in May after NC, and she is still down in the popular vote & over 100 pledged delegates. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by artechba
There are 10 more states left. Clinton's are spinning PA like it's the mother of them all knowing damn well that they're about to get killed in NC, Indiana, PR and others. She's done but she's clinging to that nomination like someone who just can't let go. "It's my turn!". Someone needs to sit her down and tell her it's over. |
Correction - there are 12 states left, including Florida and Michigan. Well, the Obama campaign is fighting a re-vote, which is both undemocratic and disenfranchising millions of voters. Hopefully the good people of Michigan and Florida will be able to cast meaningful ballots and not be blocked from doing so by the Obama camp. |
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Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
I completely agree, but you have to remember the Clintons have been planning for this moment for 20 years. Losing is not an option for her.
It will be VERY interesting to see what happens in May after NC, and she is still down in the popular vote & over 100 pledged delegates. |
What's gonna happen? Nothing. She won Texas by couple of points and spun it like it was the second coming of JFK. And what do you know, she really lost Texas after all was counted. She spun Nevada and the truth is Obama has one more candidate than Clinton out of that state. She calls these states "boutique" states. I wonder if that's what Texas is now? :D |
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Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Correction - there are 12 states left, including Florida and Michigan. Well, the Obama campaign is fighting a re-vote, which is both undemocratic and disenfranchising millions of voters. Hopefully the good people of Michigan and Florida will be able to cast meaningful ballots and not be blocked from doing so by the Obama camp. |
And? Michigan will vote for Obama. Florida will go for Clinton. And what's that gonna do in the end? She'll still be behind in delegates count and in popular vote. Time to face the music. |
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Quote: Originally posted by artechba
And? Michigan will vote for Obama. Florida will go for Clinton. And what's that gonna do in the end? She'll still be behind in delegates count and in popular vote. Time to face the music. |
He's got you there, Vacate.
And let's be honest. You don't give a shit about Florida or Michigan (they agreed to the terms of moving their primaries). All you care about is continuing gridlock amongst the Democrats, which is fine.
But you do so are your own peril, as Hillary will not lose to McCain in November. |
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Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
He's got you there, Vacate.
And let's be honest. You don't give a shit about Florida or Michigan (they agreed to the terms of moving their primaries). All you care about is continuing gridlock amongst the Democrats, which is fine.
But you do so are your own peril, as Hillary will not lose to McCain in November. |
Democrats are getting free press out of all of this. McCain is rarely even mentioned. Uneducated people going to the polls thought they were choosing the president at the Dem Primaries!!! :D
And once it heats up and after Obama's acceptance speech at the convention, it's on and bye bye Senator McCain. |
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| BTW, I just noticed he's got 207 Superdelegates. When did he get those? He was way behind Clinton. Now he's leading 1611 - 1480 |
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