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| luap |
Just wanted your opinion on what you all thought of how the crew came off when talking to the military personel today. I thought that they came off as very arogent and disrespectful to these two fighting men even though i am sure that was not their intention. Normally love about everything the crew does but this kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
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| pokerstar |
| I wish they would stop the military and political talk, it just pisses people off.................. |
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| DarkSideJones |
| The truth hurts. |
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| Robcapt3 |
I think the guys did pretty good. They went out of their way to be nice and disrespectful to someone they obviously didn't agree with. Normally they take a big shit on someone like that so it made it very obvious to me that they are sincere in their praise of the soldiers. How often have you ever heard them not absolutely massacre:blowup: someone who had a fundamental difference of opinion with the cast?
I say that was a big show of class of their part :beer: |
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| lkombat |
| The gang did just fine. There're a lot of dudes that can't separate their experience in Iraq from the reality in the US: No one gets it over here. The only thing about the opinion of the bubba crew is that is incorrect is that all Iraqis aren't or enemies. There are some good people over there. |
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| Gunner1750 |
I think they switched the subject on the first one. And then out shouted the both of them. Yea they were saying that they were being cordial but they wer trying not to piss off the military listeners and vets.
The guy started to explain to them that the media is slanting what is really happening. Then Bubba shot back that Brent knew all about the situation because he was in Gulf war 1. The guy pointed out that it was a different war. Then the guys went on a rant about with the usual anti war stuff the guy tried to interject but they kept shouting over him telling him to hold on they were trying to make their point with a fair and balanced conversation. Then they kept on steam rolling him. The guy eventualy lost his nerve or train of thought and gave up. The second guy didn't get treated any better. It wasn't an even exchange of ideas.
When Manson started going on about there not being a terrorist threat to the US that's when I decided he was a real world retard.
As for the rest of the argument I sit on the fence. There are points to make on both sides that are both solid and factual. But now that we are in it right or wrong we can't just pack up and leave. |
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| emtfromny2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Gunner1750
I think they switched the subject on the first one. And then out shouted the both of them. Yea they were saying that they were being cordial but they wer trying not to piss off the military listeners and vets.
The guy started to explain to them that the media is slanting what is really happening. Then Bubba shot back that Brent knew all about the situation because he was in Gulf war 1. The guy pointed out that it was a different war. Then the guys went on a rant about with the usual anti war stuff the guy tried to interject but they kept shouting over him telling him to hold on they were trying to make their point with a fair and balanced conversation. Then they kept on steam rolling him. The guy eventualy lost his nerve or train of thought and gave up. The second guy didn't get treated any better. It wasn't an even exchange of ideas.
When Manson started going on about there not being a terrorist threat to the US that's when I decided he was a real world retard.
As for the rest of the argument I sit on the fence. There are points to make on both sides that are both solid and factual. But now that we are in it right or wrong we can't just pack up and leave. |
I'm sorry, as much as I love the show did it ever occur to anyone that there is CLASSIFIED information that isn't released to the public...including Bubba and crew?? |
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| Robcapt3 |
| EMT, I don't think they give that any thought. Of course Brent is the "expert" on anything military so you'd think he would know that but apparently his is the only "opinion" that matters. I love the guys (in a non-faggot way) but I'll admit that I change the channel when they get into a screaming match with someone who obviously knows more than they do about a particular subject, and all they can do is resort to name-calling. I know it's not a regular talk show but it makes the guys (especially Brent) look like ass-holes. |
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| InjunCharlie |
| Wasn't Brent a reservist? Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, he still deserves respect because he served and has been to war, but IDK... the whole weekend warrior thing... reservists/guardsmen just aren't as squared away as regular soldiers/marines. |
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| Jedi Beavis |
| They tried to point out that the bigger picture is these guys have declared "jihad" on us. And, it isn't just the "ay-rabs" either, most of the muslims in the world are nowhere near the middle-east." Also, does anyone truly believe that muslim extremists would totally leave us alone if we just stayed home? They still hate what we stand for, wherever we are. Bubbas great argument was "Those guys didn't agree with me and my opinions about the war and the President, so they've obviously drank the kool-aid, and have been brainwashed!" |
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| mikethespike |
I think most of the crew has a pretty good handle on the military and world affairs.... they all have somewhat different points of view but they're realistic. The only one who sorta' borders on being unrealistic to me is Manson. Gunner 1750 pegged it right, in noticing that Manson believes there's no terrorist threat to the U.S. on our soil... and he's wrong.
Manson also tends to blame every ill on corporate greed. I'm sure there's a certain amount (to one degree or another) but it's too much of a quick and easy blame for everything.
I'm a big Manson mark, for sure... but he tends to be a little too simplistic in the political/military arena. |
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| luap |
Quote: Originally posted by Gunner1750
I think they switched the subject on the first one. And then out shouted the both of them. Yea they were saying that they were being cordial but they wer trying not to piss off the military listeners and vets.
The guy started to explain to them that the media is slanting what is really happening. Then Bubba shot back that Brent knew all about the situation because he was in Gulf war 1. The guy pointed out that it was a different war. Then the guys went on a rant about with the usual anti war stuff the guy tried to interject but they kept shouting over him telling him to hold on they were trying to make their point with a fair and balanced conversation. Then they kept on steam rolling him. The guy eventualy lost his nerve or train of thought and gave up. The second guy didn't get treated any better. It wasn't an even exchange of ideas.
When Manson started going on about there not being a terrorist threat to the US that's when I decided he was a real world retard.
As for the rest of the argument I sit on the fence. There are points to make on both sides that are both solid and factual. But now that we are in it right or wrong we can't just pack up and leave. |
Thank you, that's exactly the point that i was trying to make with this thread. Can't say that agree 100% with either side (probably lean more to what the soldiers were saying but 12 billion a month makes me sick). We know how the crew feels about the situation, my thought was let the people that have been over there talk and get their point across. Maybe we can all learn something from their point of view. |
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| Gunner1750 |
To me it's simple. Whether we should have invaded Iraq or not is a mute point. We are in it now we might as well make something of it. Getting all wishy washy with our commitment is the worst thing to do. my personel feelings are kick the diplomats and politicians out of the theater and let the military do what it's good at.
If you want an eye opener on what the Middle East is and what the muslims are all about Got to the bookstore and pick up a copy of Inside Delta Force by Eric L. Haney. In the end of the book he explains how the Jihad works and what the Saudis are up to. Pretty spooky shit. |
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| ROKDAWG |
| My problem with how they handle those situations is that no one is allowed to disagree with Bubba and Brent. There is no intelligent discussion allowed, if you disagree with them you are a mindless idiot who has no clue what you are talking about. They spend so much time smoking obama's pole and talking about how retarded hillary's supporters are, someone should call in and ask if they think Howard is a dumbass, since he is a clinton supporter. |
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| Scott68 |
I'm a huge Bubba mark, but I gotta' say that the military segment the other day was embarrassing.
If you're going to take a call from a soldier and ask him questions, at least let him finish his response before you interrupt him and talk over the majority of what he has to say.
And if you're going to take a call from a soldier and expect to have some meaningful exchange of ideas with him, at least have the courtesy to call him a "kool-aid drinker" while he's still on the phone and can respond to you.
And if you're going to take a call from a soldier don't insinuate that he's not smart enough to talk "policy" with you because he's still a soldier and can only think in terms of "warfare tactics".
This list could go on but I'm sure you get my point.
Bubba made the decision to take calls from soldiers. Soldiers that he repeatedly said that he "respected" and "supported".
Saying you respect and support them would have carried a lot more weight if Bubba had actually treated them with respect and support.
And by the way, Manson's comment about America being the "enemy" is not exactly respectful and supportive. In fact, it's one of the most moronic and disrespectful things I've ever heard. |
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| sidewinderseven |
The bottom line is our monkey of a President put our soldiers in a position they should have never been in. Period.
You want to talk about supporting our troops. What about your president who has boggled every aspect of this so called war all the way down to under equipping our soldiers.
If you want to come down hard on anyone - you should start right at the top with the jackass we call Commander in Chief.
George Bush is the worst president in the history of this country. |
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| rozman |
Brent annoys the shit out of me because he thinks he knows everything.
Manson and Spice Boy annoy me because they just mimic what Brent says.
Brent alone would be able to argue any topic, right or wrong he will stand on his own two feet. Get Manson or Spice alone and after a few minutes they will crumble,they have no idea what's going on if Brent is not there to bail them out. That pisses me off more then Brent and his arrogance. |
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| Gunner1750 |
| My recevier has more channels then Howard 101 so I can change when I want. Love the show and I listen to it whenever I can. And I don't mind political banter no matter what way it goes. I don't have a chouce for President so it's good to hear about all of ot.. But latley it's like listening to 4 Rush Limbaughs. I think it's the over selling of their ideas that is turning everyone off. The subtle aproach is way better then the in your face tactics. Maube after the primaries it will calm down. |
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| Robcapt3 |
Quote: Originally posted by sidewinderseven
The bottom line is our monkey of a President put our soldiers in a position they should have never been in. Period.
You want to talk about supporting our troops. What about your president who has boggled every aspect of this so called war all the way down to under equipping our soldiers.
If you want to come down hard on anyone - you should start right at the top with the jackass we call Commander in Chief.
George Bush is the worst president in the history of this country. |
Did you actually read any of these posts before you hit reply? :freak:
I only ask because that's not what we were talking about.
Rozman I agree about Brent. He's the smartest of the guys but thats kinda like winning the gold medal at the Special Olympics. It just means you're the best retard!! |
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| perez24 |
Quote: Originally posted by Robcapt3
Rozman I agree about Brent. He's the smartest of the guys but thats kinda like winning the gold medal at the Special Olympics. It just means you're the best retard!! |
Amen brother. Brent's intelligence is highly over-rated.
Bubba continually talking about how he supported the troops, but then essentially telling them that they fought and were injured for stupid reasons or because their commanders are retarded really undercuts the whole "support for the troops" canard that he's trying to claim.
Then after they hung up saying that they had "drunk the kool-aid," didn't understand the big picture, and couldn't possibly understand anything because Brent read a book cover to cover is more disrespect.
Of course, if one or more of the guys had agreed with Bubba and Co. they would have been considered geniuses. Just like Gen. Zinni and Adm. Fallon are geniuses ONLY because they disagree with the war or how it's being conducted.
Did you notice how the first caller talked down to them just about the whole conversation after he made his initial comment? I typically tune out when they "talk politics" but I wanted to see how long it took them to realize that the caller was doing that. |
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| Jedi Beavis |
Quote: Originally posted by perez24
Amen brother. Brent's intelligence is highly over-rated.
Bubba continually talking about how he supported the troops, but then essentially telling them that they fought and were injured for stupid reasons or because their commanders are retarded really undercuts the whole "support for the troops" canard that he's trying to claim.
Then after they hung up saying that they had "drunk the kool-aid," didn't understand the big picture, and couldn't possibly understand anything because Brent read a book cover to cover is more disrespect.
Of course, if one or more of the guys had agreed with Bubba and Co. they would have been considered geniuses. Just like Gen. Zinni and Adm. Fallon are geniuses ONLY because they disagree with the war or how it's being conducted.
Did you notice how the first caller talked down to them just about the whole conversation after he made his initial comment? I typically tune out when they "talk politics" but I wanted to see how long it took them to realize that the caller was doing that. |
Well put! And any General or congressman that supports the war "drank the kool-aid" or is a retarded asshole. They were all flapped-up when they interviewed R. Lee Ermy because they wanted to respect him for his service, but he was in favor of President Bush and the war against islam. In the end, they felt sorry for him, saying he was old and probably not all there. |
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