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| Rush Has AIDS |
New Rule: Catholics Must Get Up Out of the Pew and Walk Out of the Church Forever
Bill Maher | Bio
When Barack Obama didn't hear Reverend Wright say those awful things about America, he still should have rushed the stage, smite Reverend Wright with the cross, and left the church. If there's anything the right wing can agree on, it's that. And that gays are going hell, right after they suck them off in the airport bathroom.
But it raises an obvious question, one that I haven't heard asked, which is strange because it's so obvious: If you leave a church when the head of the church says bad things about America, what do you do when your church hierarchy is caught up in a systematic and decades-long sex abuse scandal? And did I mention the people being sexually abused were children? Hundreds of them?
How about when the head of that church, or Pope, associated with and promoted members of the clergy who not only facilitated the sexual abuse and rape of hundreds and hundreds of children, but engaged in a decades-long cover-up of those crimes?
Reverend Wright associated with Farrakhan. The Pope works with Cardinal Law. Which is worse? Isn't it the man who shuffled "priests" like Shanley and Geoghan and many others from parish to parish with the full knowledge of their crimes, and then claimed he had no idea?
Yes, by Sean Hannity's own logic, Catholics like him, en masse, would be expected to abandon their church. Which shouldn't be a problem, because they worship Reagan anyway.
COLMES: Then shouldn't John McCain say he doesn't support the views of a man who makes anti-Catholic statements?
OBENSHAIN: He did, I believe. He said I'm not--I don't agree with everything -- a
COLMES: And Obama says he does not support anti-Semitism, as expressed by Louis Farrakhan.
HANNITY: Leave the church.
Well, what about it, Sean? Shouldn't you leave your church? I mean, like, five years ago?
And since you haven't, how do we know you're not also a secret child fucker? Again, just using your logic:
HANNITY: ...What if he really deep down in his heart thinks like Pastor Wright?
LUNTZ: It's not for anyone to answer that question.
HANNITY: Well, is that dangerous for this country? I think that would be dangerous. That would mean we would have -- if he agreed with Wright, and I don't know that he does, but if he did, that would mean a racist and an anti-Semite would be president of the United States.
Side note: Does it occur to anyone that, for the past five years, the nuts every politician has been busy distancing themselves from--Reverend Wright, Reverend Falwell, Reverend Hagee, Reverend Haggard, Reverend Robertson--are all, you know, reverends?
Why don't we just go back to the days when politicians kept their religions to themselves? Wasn't that better?
Well said Bill.
Does anyone recall, after 9/11, when Falwell and Robertson were having their discussion about how the ACLU, pro-choicers, feminists and homosexuals were going to have to answer for causing 9/11?
I don't recall them taking any major heat for it, or having Republican leaders distance themselves. Although I feel they lost what shred of credibility they had left. |
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| Jack Shit |
| Christianity is stupid. |
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| VacateTheWord |
The Priests who were proven guilty of said crimes were dealt with - and rightly so.
This is just another deflection away from what strikes at the heart of Obama's case for his becoming the next President - judgement and inclusion. Especially the latter - how does Obama sit in a church for 20 years where he listened to divisive, racist rants and expect people to believe that he either wasn't there that day (yeah, right) or he didn't agree, in which case he could have found another church.
The difference between Pastor-Gate and what Maher is talking about is in Obama's case, he could have found another "mentor" and church. In the case of the Catholic Church, he is asserting that people should have walked away from their faith (specifically, Roman Catholicism) altogether. Not to mention that the percentage of priests who were exposed as pedophiles was less than 1% of all Roman Catholic priests.
Maher tries, but his argument is a joke. |
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| Salvaje*Gato |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The Priests who were proven guilty of said crimes were dealt with - and rightly so. |
Dealt with???
What about the transfer of molester priests to different churches, and cover up of crimes that can be traced back to the highest ranking leaders of the Catholic church. Including Archbishops, and most likely The Pope himself. (The "spiritual leader" and "mentor" to millions of Catholics) |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The Priests who were proven guilty of said crimes were dealt with - and rightly so.
This is just another deflection away from what strikes at the heart of Obama's case for his becoming the next President - judgement and inclusion. Especially the latter - how does Obama sit in a church for 20 years where he listened to divisive, racist rants and expect people to believe that he either wasn't there that day (yeah, right) or he didn't agree, in which case he could have found another church.
The difference between Pastor-Gate and what Maher is talking about is in Obama's case, he could have found another "mentor" and church. In the case of the Catholic Church, he is asserting that people should have walked away from their faith (specifically, Roman Catholicism) altogether. Not to mention that the percentage of priests who were exposed as pedophiles was less than 1% of all Roman Catholic priests.
Maher tries, but his argument is a joke. |
Poor job there Vacate. Maher's argument is spot on.
Even if the number of "less than 1%" is correct, does that make it ok? How many white leaders have been associated with Catholic priests, and Protestants, Baptists and Evangelicals for that matter, who have been linked to pedophilia, to theft, embezzlement, as well as their hate speech, which is clearly anti-American?
Why isn't McCain being scrutinized for not rejecting the endorsement from Pastor Hagee and the other guy? (*name escapes me right now)
Maher's point is that Obama is being held to a double standard. His point hits the mark. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Rush Has AIDS
Poor job there Vacate. Maher's argument is spot on.
Even if the number of "less than 1%" is correct, does that make it ok? |
Of course not. That said, Maher is making a sweeping indictment and questioning why didn't every Roman Catholic abandon their faith. It is not comparable to asking Obama why he didn't seek out another "mentor." Obama's case of plausible deniability - "I wasn't in attendance those days" - is bullshit considering he is a 20 year member of this church and had a personal relationship with this pastor.
Quote: Originally posted by Rush Has AIDS
How many white leaders have been associated with Catholic priests, and Protestants, Baptists and Evangelicals for that matter, who have been linked to pedophilia, to theft, embezzlement, as well as their hate speech, which is clearly anti-American? |
I agree - but this is not a white/black issue. See, that's what Liberals do - pull the race card out of the deck. Corrupt ministers can be found in all faiths - the color of their skin has nothing to do with it.
Quote: Originally posted by Rush Has AIDS
Why isn't McCain being scrutinized for not rejecting the endorsement from Pastor Hagee and the other guy? (*name escapes me right now) |
Ron Parsley, I think. And I would agree that they are both nuts.
That said, deflecting to McCain won't help. McCain does not have 20 year relationships with these people. McCain didn't sit in the pew for 20 years and listen to them spew their garbage. The question that Obama has yet to answer is why he listened to Wright's poison for 20 years - and no, the "I was absent that day" excuse doesn't fly.
Quote: Originally posted by Rush Has AIDS
Maher's point is that Obama is being held to a double standard. His point hits the mark. |
No double standard. His points misses the mark entirely. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
Not to mention that the percentage of priests who were exposed as pedophiles was less than 1% of all Roman Catholic priests. |
PRIESTS
According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.[iv] According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse.[v] Thomas Kane, author of Priests are People Too, estimates that between 1 and 1.5 percent of priests have had charges made against them.[vi] Of contemporary priests, the Associated Press found that approximately two-thirds of 1 percent of priests have charges pending against them.[vii]
http://www.catholicleague.org/resea...ial_context.htm
The Pentagon says that AQ makes up less than 2% of the insurgency in Iraq (5 years in!), yet goose-stepping fucktards like you think we are fightin' "ter'ism" there.
So is less than 2% a negligible or significant percentage of a group in your cockroach "mind"?
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Of course not. That said, Maher is making a sweeping indictment and questioning why didn't every Roman Catholic abandon their faith. It is not comparable to asking Obama why he didn't seek out another "mentor." Obama's case of plausible deniability - "I wasn't in attendance those days" - is bullshit considering he is a 20 year member of this church and had a personal relationship with this pastor. |
You have to give maher some leeway. Remember that with his kliind of humor and arrogance comes a lot of sarcasm, which I enjoy. He is embellishing somewhat.
I have friends and mentors that have been close to me for 15-20 years. Does this mean that we agree on everything? Of course not! A rabbi, who used to teach me when I was in high school, and I argue about Israel all the time. But this man was an influence in my life when it came to understanding my heritage, how to be a good and decent man. I will never terminate or disassociate myself from this man.
You see this what Conservatives do. You harp on the negative, no matter how small it may be, and always assume the worst in people.
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I agree - but this is not a white/black issue. See, that's what Liberals do - pull the race card out of the deck. Corrupt ministers can be found in all faiths - the color of their skin has nothing to do with it. |
It's not "the race card", if it's true. If it were not, then we would have had a black President a long time ago.
Trust me, I can't stand "the race card". Playing the race card would be me calling you a racist for making any kind of criticism about Obama. His fanatic supporters do that all the time, and that is what has kept me from really getting on board with his campaign.
When you have people, a lot of people, in this country who say they will not vote for Obama simply because they will not vote for a black man... can you blame the other side?
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
That said, deflecting to McCain won't help. McCain does not have 20 year relationships with these people. McCain didn't sit in the pew for 20 years and listen to them spew their garbage. The question that Obama has yet to answer is why he listened to Wright's poison for 20 years - and no, the "I was absent that day" excuse doesn't fly. |
Here you go again! You are desperately hanging on to this 20 year relationship thing, like a pitbull biting down on an arm.
Do you sit in your church and agree with every single thing that your priest/pastor says? Are you required to accept every single thing that he or she says? You're a human being, you're not a sheep, and neither is Obama.
McCain may not have had a 20 year relationship with Hagee or Parsley, but these are very influential men, who McCain is embracing, and he is not being taken to task for it. Meanwhile, Obama is also being linked closely with Louis Farrakhan. Obama is not a follower of his.
Gee, no double standard, huh?
And let's go back to this crazy guy you speak of, the former US Marine, Reverend Wright. I have put this out there before, and remains unanswered, what exactly did he say in that speech, and you better have listened to the whole thing, that was wrong?
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
No double standard. His points misses the mark entirely. |
If Obama was white we wouldn't be having this conversation. Big time double standard. Bullseye Bill! |
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| mkriss5681 |
| Proves my theory everyone that goes to church is a hypocrite :D |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The Priests who were proven guilty of said crimes were dealt with - and rightly so.
This is just another deflection away from what strikes at the heart of Obama's case for his becoming the next President - judgement and inclusion. Especially the latter - how does Obama sit in a church for 20 years where he listened to divisive, racist rants and expect people to believe that he either wasn't there that day (yeah, right) or he didn't agree, in which case he could have found another church.
The difference between Pastor-Gate and what Maher is talking about is in Obama's case, he could have found another "mentor" and church. In the case of the Catholic Church, he is asserting that people should have walked away from their faith (specifically, Roman Catholicism) altogether. Not to mention that the percentage of priests who were exposed as pedophiles was less than 1% of all Roman Catholic priests.
Maher tries, but his argument is a joke. |
I'll ignore your priest comment, as it looks like other people are addressing the ridiculousness of those claims. But I will simply ask: Have you seen Obama's speech on race? Politic all you want, but the attempts to correlate Obama's ideology with Wrights are just pathetic.
If these are the best attacks that are available for this guy, we may be looking at the best presidential candidate in the history of this country and possibly the world. |
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| modeams |
| Loved it. Need to pass Maher's statements around. |
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| Kill Van Kull |
I predict Sean Hannity and/or Bill O'Reilly will be arrested and imprisoned for sexually abusing a minor male child sometime in the not-too-distant future.
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The Priests who were proven guilty of said crimes were dealt with - and rightly so.
This is just another deflection away from what strikes at the heart of Obama's case for his becoming the next President - judgement and inclusion. Especially the latter - how does Obama sit in a church for 20 years where he listened to divisive, racist rants and expect people to believe that he either wasn't there that day (yeah, right) or he didn't agree, in which case he could have found another church.
The difference between Pastor-Gate and what Maher is talking about is in Obama's case, he could have found another "mentor" and church. In the case of the Catholic Church, he is asserting that people should have walked away from their faith (specifically, Roman Catholicism) altogether. Not to mention that the percentage of priests who were exposed as pedophiles was less than 1% of all Roman Catholic priests.
Maher tries, but his argument is a joke. |
Actually one of the cardinals to help out those who had raped little kids got a promo0tion...this is him now
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...childprotection |
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