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| VacateTheWord |
So what is Biden going to do when General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker start to explain all of the progress that we have made in Iraq since their last testimony - hold his ears and babble "na-na, I can't hear you."
The Democrats want us to fail in Iraq and Joe Biden and every other Democrat who will pre-judge the testimony of General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are shameless.
Joe Biden declares troop surge in Iraq a failure
WASHINGTON - A leading Democrat on Saturday declared last year’s troop buildup in Iraq a failure.
Sen. Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the military push didn’t succeed because U.S. troops remain committed there in large numbers and political reconciliation has not been achieved.
"The purpose of the surge was to bring violence in Iraq down so that its leaders could come together politically," said Biden, D-Del., in this week’s Democratic radio address. "Violence has come down, but the Iraqis have not come together."
He later added, "There is little evidence the Iraqis will settle their differences peacefully any time soon."
Biden offered an early rebuttal to next week’s testimony by Gen. David Petraeus, the top military commander in Iraq, and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador there. Petraeus and Crocker are expected to say the recent buildup in troops has succeeded in improving security. But they also likely will say that a period of assessment is needed this summer before officials can decide whether troop withdrawals can continue.
Democrats have called this approach unacceptable and said they would pursue an alternative policy through legislation. They said their focus will be on restoring the strength of the Army and Marines and refocusing the nation’s resources on fighting terrorists in Afghanistan.
"I believe the president has no strategy for success in Iraq," Biden said. "His plan is to muddle through, and hand the problem off to his successor."
Republicans say they are satisfied with the recent drop in violence and that more time is needed to improve the situation there.
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| Reverend Tyler |
because U.S. troops remain committed there in large numbers and political reconciliation has not been achieved
What is Petraeus gonna say in opposition to that? |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
because U.S. troops remain committed there in large numbers and political reconciliation has not been achieved
What is Petraeus gonna say in opposition to that? |
I don't know - which is why Joe Biden should withhold judgement until Petraeus and Crocker testify.
But like I said - the Democats want failure. They've been actively pushing for retreat and defeat since 2006. |
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| Luther |
| Petreaus doesn't control the facts. |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I don't know - which is why Joe Biden should withhold judgement until Petraeus and Crocker testify.
But like I said - the Democats want failure. They've been actively pushing for retreat and defeat since 2006. |
Gen William Odom isn't a Democrat. He is a veteran.
LT. GEN. WILLIAM ODOM: Well, I’m trying to think like a strategist. And in war, as well as in politics and diplomacy, one has to know when to withdraw and when to attack. And this was a misguided attack, and it requires a strategic vision and moral confidence to turn it around, the earlier the better. But as the evidence piles up, I think my judgment is being borne out.
I said before the war in February that if we invade Iraq, this will serve primarily the interests of two people: Osama bin Laden, because it will make Iraq safe for al Qaeda, and it will allow him to have access to kill Americans, which he cannot do in the U.S. very effectively; the second party that would benefit greatly would be the Iranians. Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, and they fought for eight years, and Iranians hated that regime as much more than we did. Therefore it was very much in their interest, and it is clearer now that a Shiite majority will probably end up in control in Iraq, and it will not be pro-American, and it probably will be an Islamic religious republic.
So that’s—those kind of outcomes were foreseeable, and then I didn’t say anything about it for a year, and pointed out that exactly these things were happening. And I was asked about in August why—whether I thought that journalists were doing a good job in pressing this issue with the President. And the answers you’ve just read are the ones I gave.
AMY GOODMAN: But the idea was to call for cutting and running?
LT. GEN. WILLIAM ODOM: Yeah. I said exactly [inaudible] the earlier the better. The idea of staying the course makes no sense at all.
LT. GEN. WILLIAM ODOM:There is a tendency, it seems to me, among both Democrats and Republicans, to really get nervous about doing anything. They know that we’re in trouble, and they’re just not willing to face up to the reality that we are going to have to one day pick up and leave and that you’re almost—as I said in the piece, the structure of this piece, essentially saying that all of the things that the administration says will happen if we leave are already happening or they’re irrelevant. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I don't know - which is why Joe Biden should withhold judgement until Petraeus and Crocker testify.
But like I said - the Democats want failure. They've been actively pushing for retreat and defeat since 2006. |
yeah, in no way is this the result of 5 years of utterly failed leadership. it is - like everything else - the dems fault :burst: |
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| Anogram |
It's another defining moment of this long 5 yrs.
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| mr wrong |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I don't know - which is why Joe Biden should withhold judgement until Petraeus and Crocker testify.
But like I said - the Democats want failure. They've been actively pushing for retreat and defeat since 2006. |
So the disastrous situation over the last 4.5 years isn't clear enough, we need Patraeus, and Crocker to ask for "6 more Months"?
How gullible are you? Do you honestly believe they'll say anything different but "Stay the course"? |
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| WillowGlen |
| Mabye Biden doesnt have to wait or the speech because he already knows what it says. Mabye it was leaked somewhere between where it was written by the WH press office and when it was delivered for Puppetreas to read word for word pretending he had anything to do with it. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Bad news doesn't get better..IRAQ is a disaster and all the spin will not stop it from being the shithole it is. |
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| iatebethO |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I don't know - which is why Joe Biden should withhold judgement until Petraeus and Crocker testify.
But like I said - the Democats want failure. They've been actively pushing for retreat and defeat since 2006. |
Please tell us now:
What was the reason for the surge and what were the intended results of the surge?
Come on vacate, if we are going to judge the results of the surge we should know what the surge was supposed to accomplish.
You tell us vacate. |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Hmmm... not a word from Vacate, not surprising.
I'm sure he's looking for anything miniscule to hang on to, or probably just hiding his head in the sand, like most Republicans do nowadays. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
Puppetreas |
Do you belong to MoveOn.org?
If not, I'd suggest signing up - you'd fit right in with that treasonous lot. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by iatebethO
Please tell us now:
What was the reason for the surge and what were the intended results of the surge?
Come on vacate, if we are going to judge the results of the surge we should know what the surge was supposed to accomplish.
You tell us vacate. |
The reason for the surge was to get control of the violence that Al Qaeda spurred in Baghdad and other areas so that the Iraqi government could take the steps necessary to reach political reconciliation.
Given that our own government has batted around immigration reform for a few years now and still can't come to an agreement, we shouldn't expect miracles from the Iraqis. They are making progress, and with the reinforcements being able to persue Al Qeada they have suffered major setbacks and are on the run.
As for a specific assessment, I will withhold judgement pending General Petraeus' and Ambassador Crocker's report, as we all should. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The reason for the surge was to get control of the violence that Al Qaeda spurred in Baghdad and other areas so that the Iraqi government could take the steps necessary to reach political reconciliation.
Given that our own government has batted around immigration reform for a few years now and still can't come to an agreement, we shouldn't expect miracles from the Iraqis. They are making progress, and with the reinforcements being able to persue Al Qeada they have suffered major setbacks and are on the run.
As for a specific assessment, I will withhold judgement pending General Petraeus' and Ambassador Crocker's report, as we all should. |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The reason for the surge was to get control of the violence that Al Qaeda spurred in Baghdad and other areas so that the Iraqi government could take the steps necessary to reach political reconciliation.
Given that our own government has batted around immigration reform for a few years now and still can't come to an agreement, we shouldn't expect miracles from the Iraqis. They are making progress, and with the reinforcements being able to persue Al Qeada they have suffered major setbacks and are on the run.
As for a specific assessment, I will withhold judgement pending General Petraeus' and Ambassador Crocker's report, as we all should. |
Why do you say this is about Al Qeada? They represent such a small portion. Al Sadr is a much more anti american group to be concerned about. You say Al Qeada like Dick Cheney.
You say withhold for Petraeus? There was one moment where Petraeus told the truth. That was when he was asked the question, since we have gone into Iraq has this made America safer? He couldn't answer. It took a break and a phone call b4 he finally answered this question in a General republican responsible way. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
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You Liberals would have been a sight to see during World War II.
Duh, they said we would have been in Tokyo by now. And now General MacArthur is asking for patience? Fuck him. All troops home immediately.
Jackass. |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The reason for the surge was to get control of the violence that Al Qaeda spurred in Baghdad and other areas so that the Iraqi government could take the steps necessary to reach political reconciliation.
Given that our own government has batted around immigration reform for a few years now and still can't come to an agreement, we shouldn't expect miracles from the Iraqis. They are making progress, and with the reinforcements being able to persue Al Qeada they have suffered major setbacks and are on the run.
As for a specific assessment, I will withhold judgement pending General Petraeus' and Ambassador Crocker's report, as we all should. |
Maybe we shouldn't have expected miracles from the Iraqis back when right wing media was talking about showering us with "flowers and candy", and that we shouldn't expect to be in Iraq longr than 6 months. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
You Liberals would have been a sight to see during World War II.
Duh, they said we would have been in Tokyo by now. And now General MacArthur is asking for patience? Fuck him. All troops home immediately.
Jackass. |
WW 2 was won almost 2 years ago...try again :hw: |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
WW 2 was won almost 2 years ago...try again :hw: |
I'll try almost 63 years. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I'll try almost 63 years. |
I figured it would be over your head :rolleyes: |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
I figured it would be over your head :rolleyes: |
No I understood what you meant.
Let me ask you this - was World War II waged by dates certain? |
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| Anogram |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
No I understood what you meant.
Let me ask you this - was World War II waged by dates certain? |
Sorry but this war filled with no bid contractors and millionaires don't even resemble WW2 and your an idiot for making the comparison |
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| mr wrong |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
You Liberals would have been a sight to see during World War II.
Duh, they said we would have been in Tokyo by now. And now General MacArthur is asking for patience? Fuck him. All troops home immediately.
Jackass. |
Japan, and Germany declared war on us, remember? Japan actually attacked us, remember?
Nice deflection attempt, though.. Dope.
Besides, shouldn't you be making more posts about the scary black man? |
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| iatebethO |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
You Liberals would have been a sight to see during World War II.
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Funny you should mention WWII, remember in the movie Stalag 17, when the Red Cross came to see the conditions the US prisoners were in while being held by the Germans?
We, as Americans were disgusted by the lies that were told by the Germans to the Red Cross.
Now, we Americans won't even allow the Red Cross to interview prisoners.
We have become worse than the Nazis, and Vacate goose steps right along with the rest of them. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: Originally posted by iatebethO
Funny you should mention WWII, remember in the movie Stalag 17, when the Red Cross came to see the conditions the US prisoners were in while being held by the Germans?
We, as Americans were disgusted by the lies that were told by the Germans to the Red Cross.
Now, we Americans won't even allow the Red Cross to interview prisoners.
We have become worse than the Nazis, and Vacate goose steps right along with the rest of them. |
He wants to be safe :rolleyes: LOL |
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| Anogram |
John McCain with a laminated advertisement
How dumb |
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| Abba |
It truly boggles my mind that you Vacate are operating in a reality that's completely devoid of any factual evidence AT ALL.
If you truly knew the facts on the ground, you'd be singing a different tune.
For example, did it ever occur to you that our "allies" in Iraq are also allied with Iran? That in fact the only reason the Iraqi wasn't recently destroyed was only through the machinations and diplomacy of IRAN??
This is the same Iran that's supplying the "terrorists" with weapons. :rolleyes:
How can any of you comment on the situation when your understanding is so limited? Anyone who calls this a "civil war between Sunni and Shiite" is a complete lunatic, and anyone who thinks our presence ISN'T the cause of all the instability is living in Narnia. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
It truly boggles my mind that you Vacate are operating in a reality that's completely devoid of any factual evidence AT ALL.
If you truly knew the facts on the ground, you'd be singing a different tune.
For example, did it ever occur to you that our "allies" in Iraq are also allied with Iran? That in fact the only reason the Iraqi wasn't recently destroyed was only through the machinations and diplomacy of IRAN??
This is the same Iran that's supplying the "terrorists" with weapons. :rolleyes:
How can any of you comment on the situation when your understanding is so limited? Anyone who calls this a "civil war between Sunni and Shiite" is a complete lunatic, and anyone who thinks our presence ISN'T the cause of all the instability is living in Narnia. |
Not to mention Saudi Arabia, the land that 19 out of 20 of the 9/11 terrorists, were from! |
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| modeams |
| At first I thought Vacate was making a non-partisan post. I read the whole article and then mistakingly looked at his dimwitted comments. Come on.... |
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| WillowGlen |
The Republican tool for defining "victory in Iraq"
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| bt908 |
| I think Biden's point is that we can't see the forest for the trees. Just like in Vietnam; if you only listened to the military, we never lost a battle but did lose the war. The same thing is happening in Iraq. |
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| artiel |
Petraeus has spoken several times. In the interim much has happened that speaks to the decision to invade Iraq being a failure of a decision. Petraeus can say whatever the fuck he wants but it doesn't change anything.
I have long since said that we won the war 5 years ago. The decision to stay was fucking stupid. The decision to dissolve their government was fucking stupid (well, not stupid; Just very contradictory to the stated goal of stability. It DID make it easier for the country to be looted, which was the goal all along).
The war was won, we need to be out. |
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| Fdubya247 |
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| pluckinstrings |
He's had MANY opportunities to speak...
Defeat? No...
REALISM? Yes...
'Your' arrogance THINKING that Dems WANT defeat is absurd.
Vacunt... You would gladly send the last American soldier to his/her death because of your stubbornness. Regardless of the reality on the ground... |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
| Biden is right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Iraq is a failure. |
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