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| emtfromny2 |
Hillary Clinton won the Pennsylvania Democratic primary Tuesday, riding to victory with a big boost from her core constituencies.
Barack Obama and Clinton, though, are carefully watching their margins to gauge success in the Keystone State. Pre-election surveys showed Clinton leading for weeks in Pennsylvania, but her margin will be critical in shaping how her flagging campaign is viewed going into the remaining nine primaries and caucuses.
With 45 percent of precincts reporting, Clinton had 54 percent and Obama had 46 percent.
The wider Clinton’s lead, the stronger her argument can be that she is dominating in large swing states critical to Democrats in the general election. Though she’s trailing Obama in pledged delegates, she’s trying to win over uncommitted superdelegates by arguing that she’s more electable against presumptive GOP nominee John McCain.
“Hillary has won all the states we have to win in the general election,” Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe told FOX News after the race was called, touting the fact that Clinton won Pennsylvania despite being outspent in the state by Obama.
Having already locked down the Republican nomination after the March 4 primaries, McCain easily coasted to victory in Pennsylvania Tuesday, pulling 72 percent with 33 percent of precincts reporting.
On the Democratic side, exit polls in Pennsylvania showed Clinton hanging on to key voting blocs — women, seniors, whites, union members and lower-income households. The polls showed she was leading in union households by 57 to 42 percent, and among seniors by 60 to 39 percent.
But Obama was holding a commanding lead among black and young voters, as well as among college-educated voters, who exit polls showed were breaking for Obama by a margin of 54 to 46 points. Among urban voters, he was getting 69 percent of them compared with 31 percent for Clinton.
There are 158 pledged delegates at stake in Pennsylvania, the largest payoff of any contest left on the calendar.
But Indiana and North Carolina together offer more than that when those states vote May 6, and Obama was already gearing his campaign toward Indiana as results from Pennsylvania rolled in. He headed to Indiana for an election night rally, while Clinton held hers in Philadelphia.
Robert Friedrich, political science professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., said a big margin — of at least eight or nine points — is critical for Clinton in Pennsylvania.
“I think Obama needs to do worse than expected for Hillary to argue that she should keep going,” he said.
“If she wins by 10, she has a strong rationale for going (forward),” he said. “If she wins by less than five, and certainly if she loses or it’s really close, there’s going to be a huge amount of pressure on her to pack it in.”
But Clinton said Tuesday that “a win is a win,” especially considering she’s been outspent in TV advertising by nearly three-to-one.
“I think maybe the question ought to be, ‘Why can’t he close the deal with his extraordinary financial advantage?’ Why can’t he win … this one if that’s the way it turns out?” Clinton said Tuesday.
As polls showed Clinton consistently ahead in the state, Obama downplayed expectations going into the race’s final hours, and his campaign argued that the outcome of the primary will not change the dynamic of the race.
“It’s an uphill battle,” Obama said, campaigning at a Pittsburgh diner earlier in the day.
An Obama campaign memo claimed, “The Clinton campaign needs a blowout victory in Pennsylvania to get any closer to winning.”
Privately, the Clinton campaign was shooting for the big win. A large margin would help her make a significant dent in the delegate count, and help her convince uncommitted superdelegates to back her candidacy.
As of Tuesday morning, Obama claimed 1,648.5 delegates to Clinton’s 1,509.5. They’re aiming to reach 2,025 delegates to clinch the nomination.
It is possible for Clinton to win the popular vote, but still come away with fewer delegates, since two-thirds of the state’s pledged delegates are awarded proportionally based on the results in each of the 19 congressional districts. The rest are awarded proportionally based on the results statewide.
If Obama pulls huge numbers in Philadelphia’s Second Congressional District and other districts that offer a high payoff of delegates, Pennsylvania Democratic Party Director Abe Amoros said it’s “possible, highly improbable” that the Illinois senator could counter a Clinton popular vote victory with a delegate victory.
The Pennsylvania vote came after an increasingly bitter and negative contest between the two Democratic candidates.
In the closing days of the campaign, Obama cast doubts on his rival’s honesty while Clinton questioned whether Obama was thick-skinned enough to handle the pressures of the presidency. She hammered him for telling a group of California donors recently that small-town voters “cling” to religion and guns out of bitterness over lost jobs.
Exit polls, however, showed that voters thought Clinton was the one hitting below the belt the most.
Asked which side was fighting unfairly, 67 percent said Clinton and 49 percent said Obama.
Meanwhile, record turnout was the expectation in Pennsylvania, similar to other states that have seen voters flood the polls.
Statewide turnout would set a modern record for Democratic presidential primaries if more than 2.3 million of the 4.2 million registered party members show up at the polls.
Pedro A. Cortes, Pennsylvania secretary of state, said he expected turnout to be between 40 and 50 percent.
“This feels like a general election, not a primary,” he said.
The current record — just under 55 percent — was set in 1980, when Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy narrowly defeated then-President Carter in Pennsylvania.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...aws-to-a-close/
Anyone think Bubba and crew will be on the chip about this or will they not care? |
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| bigben07 |
| ok a simple Clinton Wins was all we needed not a typical blah blah analysis cant wait to hear buuba tomorrow if he's able to do the show |
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| SternWedding |
Clinton only picks up a couple of delegates over Obama - I believe her 10 point margin win in PA only equates to picking up 3 more delegates than Barack.
So, Clinton adds 40 dels. and Obama adds 37 - Obama is still kicking her ass.
No bubbles - No troubles ... Obama is going to pimp-slap Clinton in North Carolina. |
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| madhi19 |
| Well she did better than I expected. Obama got her down on the floor is foot on her neck and all he need is squeeze and snap it! I guess that will not happen tonight but that coming! |
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| clarkro2 |
| Where is that Fat donut eating Mod Miller. hahahah |
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| emtfromny2 |
| From what all the morning news were saying was she will get about 30 delegates, but her campaign is almost broke. |
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| Dakota4791 |
| She can't win the nomination...that's the bottom line! |
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| Austinchota |
Quote: Originally posted by emtfromny2
...but her campaign is almost broke. |
Maybe she could dip into the wads of cash that she and Bill have or they could go back to some of their special interest groups. :rolleyes: |
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| emtfromny2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Austinchota
Maybe she could dip into the wads of cash that she and Bill have or they could go back to some of their special interest groups. :rolleyes: |
I think she has "lent" her campaign money several times. Bill better write another book. |
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| Navarone |
Quote: Originally posted by SternWedding
Clinton only picks up a couple of delegates over Obama - I believe her 10 point margin win in PA only equates to picking up 3 more delegates than Barack.
So, Clinton adds 40 dels. and Obama adds 37 - Obama is still kicking her ass.
No bubbles - No troubles ... Obama is going to pimp-slap Clinton in North Carolina. |
Actually she picked up 81 and he picked up 69...she also cut his popular vote lead in half.
You may be right about North Carolina tho he is beating her in the polls. |
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| Amits Catbook |
| IF she was a no name canidate ( and not to mention a bitchy cunt) she'd be done and gone by now but she's full of her self and won't step down and I doubt greatly that if she loses that she will actually help barrack beat mccaine in november shes to much of a bitch to do that |
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| madhi19 |
Quote: Originally posted by emtfromny2
I think she has "lent" her campaign money several times. Bill better write another book. |
Well the Colombia government might have to write another check! |
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| emtfromny2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Amits Catbook
IF she was a no name canidate ( and not to mention a bitchy cunt) she'd be done and gone by now but she's full of her self and won't step down and I doubt greatly that if she loses that she will actually help barrack beat mccaine in november shes to much of a bitch to do that |
I'm not a Hilary supporter, but that argument is the same as saying that Bubba wouldn't get Heather if he wasn't famous. As Bubba has said, "But I am famous kid". |
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| Dirt_Racer19 |
| Any Bubba Marks near Seven Springs resort, just east of Pittsburgh, Pa? |
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| JeremyPGH |
Quote: Originally posted by Dirt_Racer19
Any Bubba Marks near Seven Springs resort, just east of Pittsburgh, Pa? |
I'm out near the airport but I travel through Donegal when I'm heading east, what's up? |
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| welkdude |
| I find it hard to believe that ANY BLUE COLLAR household would vote for Hillary.... |
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| Dirt_Racer19 |
Quote: Originally posted by JeremyPGH
I'm out near the airport but I travel through Donegal when I'm heading east, what's up? |
There is a big beer festival at Seven Springs this weekend and I just wanted to see if any Bubba marks would be there. |
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