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| nuge67 |
OH BABY, not only are these snakes stealing D signs, but O signs too, THEY ARE FUCKED!!!
From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.
Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.
"[It] contains shots of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players, followed by a shot from the end zone camera of Miami's offensive play, followed by a shot of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players for the next play, then edited to be followed by a shot of the subsequent Miami offensive play," Levy said of the tape. "And that pattern repeats throughout the entire tape, with occasional cuts to the scoreboard."
Goodell has made repeated references to the stealing of defensive signals by New England. That is, in part, presumably because the league has allowed direct radio communication from a coach to the quarterback since the 1994 season, diminishing the need for hand signals.
Specter Seeks Cooperation
Sen. Arlen Specter warned the NFL not to rush to judgment Thursday, suggesting the league is premature in trying to put the Spygate saga to rest.
Specter, R-Pa., spoke as commissioner Roger Goodell and top league officials prepared to view videotapes turned over by former New England Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has been critical of the investigation the league conducted into the Patriots' illicit taping practices.
"I think it is very unfortunate that the NFL has already started its 'nothing new' spin before watching the tapes or finding out what Matt Walsh has to say," Specter said. "Let's see where the evidence leads."
Walsh, employed by the Patriots from 1997 to 2003, is scheduled to meet with league officials Tuesday in New York. After that session, he is to travel to Washington and sit down with Specter and his staff.
Specter formally requested the league make available to him the evidence turned over by Walsh, which consists of eight tapes dating from 2000 through 2003. But as of Thursday night he had not gotten confirmation on when, or even if, he'd get the tapes.
"As a matter of basic fair play, I got to have the time to prepare," said Specter. "It's equal access … I'm waiting for them."
Goodell, however, suggested in a letter last Friday that Specter would eventually gain access to the tapes, saying: "Once I see the material I will be in a better position to respond … [I'm] confident we'll be able to make satisfactory arrangements for you or key staff to review the material."
Specter has complained about the lack of cooperation from the NFL as his staff has attempted to delve into the matter. Very few key individuals have spoken when approached by staff members. And attorneys for the Patriots and New York Jets have advised team employees against speaking with Specter.
"I got three pages of people who refused to talk to me,'' he said.
-- Mike Fish
"We don't know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven't looked at the tapes," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Thursday before the league had completed its review of the new evidence. "All we have is the list supplied last night [by Walsh's attorney]. One of them is labeled 'OFF signals.' None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we'll have more to say about that.
"The rule which the Patriots violated was the policy that prohibits use of equipment for the taping of offensive or defense signals. I know there've been references to defensive signals, which is more logical. But let us look at the tapes and verify what is on there."
Although Walsh turned over eight tapes this week, the number of games in which he personally videotaped opposing coaches is unclear. One source told ESPN.com that it "absolutely" is not the case that the six games on the eight tapes are the only instances the Patriots taped opponents during Walsh's tenure with the team.
One of the eight tapes in the package was shot by someone other than Walsh. It is a Sept. 29, 2002, game against San Diego, which was shot after Walsh was promoted from the video department. That tape captures just the coaches on the sideline, and the scoreboard before the game action is edited in.
The advancing sophistication in New England's videotaping practices apparently is also evident on the tapes, which begin with a Sept. 25, 2000, game against Miami and run through a Sept. 29, 2002, game with San Diego. It's also obvious throughout that the video shooter has one job on game day: to capture the opposing team's sideline coaches.
In one of the last tapes that Walsh shot -- the 2002 AFC Championship Game against the Pittsburgh Steelers -- the finished product includes sideline footage of the Pittsburgh coaches sending in signals, followed by a scan of the scoreboard that captures down, distance and game time, followed by two separate shots of the ensuing play, one from above the press box and the other from an end zone camera.
"The other seven tapes show the final product, which is a series of coaches' signals, followed by the play, followed by coaches' signals and then the next play -- all lined up one after another," said Levy, who represents Walsh. "So the final videotapes contain the opposing coaches' signals lined up directly with the play that was run, one after another."
Goodell is likely to quiz Walsh on these issues at their meeting scheduled for 7:30 a.m. Tuesday. Walsh is scheduled to travel to Washington, D.C., later in the day to meet with Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Specter has been critical of the NFL for destroying evidence turned over in September by New England, including six other tapes and notes from other taped games. Although those tapes only date back to the 2006 season, Aiello, the NFL spokesperson, said Thursday the notes dated to at least the 2002 season.
The notes were destroyed, and Aiello said he is uncertain whether there is any record of the games involved. He did say that Goodell previously informed Specter that details on the taping of the 2002 AFC championship, as well as three other games with Pittsburgh, were part of the notes.
Aiello said it has yet to be decided whether the Walsh tapes will be made public. But as the tapes arrived at the league office in New York, officials were relieved to find the package didn't include a long-rumored video of the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl, which would have put a huge cloud over the league's marquee event.
"That is fair assumption," Aiello said of the feelings of relief in the league office. "I'd rather leave those questions and answers to the commissioner, but it's unfortunate that that had been reported, and apparently there's no substance to it."
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| Wicked Red Sox |
| Nothing the NFL already did not know |
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| Case a Beer |
| Sean you already have posted this in like 3 threads. |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Sean you already have posted this in like 3 threads. |
sean :funny:
what a fag name :jj: |
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| Wicked Red Sox |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Sean you already have posted this in like 3 threads. |
Wrong Dave, this is the first time that any tape shows the Pats stealing O signals, huge difference......... |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Wrong Dave, this is the first time that any tape shows the Pats stealing O signals, huge difference......... |
How? |
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| KMSDEMON |
what team calls offensive signals.
the coach talks to the qb in his head set. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
what team calls offensive signals.
the coach talks to the qb in his head set. |
That's what I was waiting for nuge to post. That's why EVERY head coach in the league wears a headset. |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
That's what I was waiting for nuge to post. That's why EVERY head coach in the league wears a headset. |
these fucking sports reporters are reaching for straws. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
That's what I was waiting for nuge to post. That's why EVERY head coach in the league wears a headset. |
Did you read the ESPN article? |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
these fucking sports reporters are reaching for straws. |
Well the thing of it is is that they all want a big sensational blockbuster story to run with. The ESPN clones can drone on and on about this, and bring in 95 different people to discuss and make a big production of it. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Did you read the ESPN article? |
yeah ok, and? You still have to go back, review the game and try to decipher what those signals relate to after the play is over. |
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| Case a Beer |
the plays are called into the QB's headset. The QB can then run an audible, send players in motion, change the formation, change protection, and blitz pickup...
so again nuge, as a defensive player or coach, would you pay more attention to some signals or would you react to the formation and player alignment that is in front of you?? |
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| Disco_stu73 |
So why were they recording the signals, if they were completely useless? Just to waste their time?
When is a single Patriot fan going to step up and say that he's embarrassed and ashamed of what his team did? I damn sure would if my team's legacy was tarnished in this way. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
| Pretty much the same thing on the tapes they already had. Headcoach tells the QB the play through headsets so I don't know much you can get from the offensive signals. Dolphins bought audio tapes of New England games to pick up Brady's cadence and audible calls so they could scheme their blitz packages around his protection calls and pick up his audibles. Everybody cheats including your Yankees get over it. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
So why were they recording the signals, if they were completely useless? Just to waste their time?
When is a single Patriot fan going to step up and say that he's embarrassed and ashamed of what his team did? I damn sure would if my team's legacy was tarnished in this way. |
They do it because you want scout your opponent in every possible manner that you can. That's why these coaches work 18 hour days, sleep in their offices, and are constantly reviewing game footage to pick up on trends. |
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| Valve |
The Pat's now use spy satellites. No way they're going to get caught now doing what half the teams int he league do!
Patriots Place in Foxborough is actually Norad II. :jj: |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Pretty much the same thing on the tapes they already had. Headcoach tells the QB the play through headsets so I don't know much you can get from the offensive signals. Dolphins bought audio tapes of New England games to pick up Brady's cadence and audible calls so they could scheme their blitz packages around his protection calls and pick up his audibles. Everybody cheats including your Yankees get over it. |
The difference is we don't have a mountain of evidence on "everybody." Show me hard evidence (note: "everybody does it" is not evidence) that one of my teams is cheating, and I'll be first in line to call for them to be punished and ridiculed. |
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| Case a Beer |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
The difference is we don't have a mountain of evidence on "everybody." Show me hard evidence (note: "everybody does it" is not evidence) that one of my teams is cheating, and I'll be first in line to call for them to be punished and ridiculed. |
The Pats have already been punished and ridiculed. What else do you people want?
And another thing, you asked why do they do it if there is very little to gain from it? With all this going on, I have yet to hear or see a person explain exactly how they can get an advantage at all by doing this.
You can't tape these signals and then watch them and try to decipher want they mean during the game that is being played. Everything I've heard is that the idea behind it was for future matchups. So my thing is if a catcher changes his pitch signal because there is a runner on 2nd base, I pretty sure an opposing coach would change their hand signals for the next time they play. I mean we all see the coaches covering their mouth while talking on the headset during the game.
Coaches also send in a lot of information with the players coming in and out during substitutions, as well as drawing up on the whiteboard while the offense is on the field. |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Has anybody bother to consider the stupidity of the question? When exactly has anyone ever actually seen coaches use "offensive signals"? I know that I never have. You do realize that the quarterback has direct radio contact with the coach. Why the fuck would they be using signals? When????
Nuge loses again. |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
With all this going on, I have yet to hear or see a person explain exactly how they can get an advantage at all by doing this. |
And I have yet to hear or see a person explain why someone as smart as Bill Belichick would bother to put together meticulously-edited tapes like the one described below if it's all just a big waste of time:
"According to a source, one tape from the Oct. 7, 2001 game against the Dolphins shows the Miami offensive coaches signaling in a play and another tape shows the Miami defensive signals. On the offensive tape, it then cuts to the play, which would enable Belichick to match up the signals and use it to his advantage in future meetings against Miami." |
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| Valve |
It's only advantageous to the Pat's if a team that they taped used the same set of signals when they played them again.
What coach would do that? Everyone knows that the opposing team watches them like hawks with binoculars. |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
The difference is we don't have a mountain of evidence on "everybody." Show me hard evidence (note: "everybody does it" is not evidence) that one of my teams is cheating, and I'll be first in line to call for them to be punished and ridiculed. |
Dolphins got caught cheating and other teams with steroids which isn't a big difference from a video tape. If you think the Patriots were the only team that did this then your clueless. People only give a shit about this because it was the Patriots. If the Raiders got caught nobody would give a shit and that’s the truth. |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Dolphins got caught cheating and other teams with steroids which isn't a big difference from a video tape. If you think the Patriots were the only team that did this then your clueless. People only give a shit about this because it was the Patriots. If the Raiders got caught nobody would give a shit and that’s the truth. |
Exactly. People are upset because the Patriots have won more than anyone this decade. That is why so many people (including me), killed the yankee teams in the late 2000s that was full of steroid cheats (per the Mitchell report). Of course there were other guys who were on 'roids but the yankees caught the brunt of the criticism because they were the top team last decade.
Nobody really believes the Patriots had some enormous advantage, they are just jealous and it gives them something to grab on to. I'm fine with it as a Pats fan, I enjoy listening to people whine, it just reinforces there superiority over all othe organizations this decade. |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
Nobody really believes the Patriots had some enormous advantage, they are just jealous and it gives them something to grab on to. I'm fine with it as a Pats fan, I enjoy listening to people whine, it just reinforces there superiority over all othe organizations this decade. |
The only flaw in your theory there is that my team just beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, so I don't really need anything to "grab on to." |
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| jackandcoke68 |
| Another thread started by another asshole obsessed with Boston.Get over yourself Nuge....Your Jets(Mangini the RAT!!!) hasn't won shit in how many years???????Keep studying the Pats you jerkoff! |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
The only flaw in your theory there is that my team just beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, so I don't really need anything to "grab on to." |
My theory was about the organization's superiority in the decade. Keep grabbing...
See, I taught you something. ;) |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by jackandcoke68
Another thread started by another asshole obsessed with Boston.Get over yourself Nuge....Your Jets(Mangini the RAT!!!) hasn't won shit in how many years???????Keep studying the Pats you jerkoff! |
stop stalking me you 38 year old loser |
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| NiceFace |
| the most ridiculous alligation,,(considering its useless,THEY have a in-helmet radio to get plays from the coaches) |
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| nuge67 |
| Fact is, Congress made it clear to the NFL that they can not get rid of the tapes or sweep this under the rug anymore, Spector wants a hearing on this, who gives a fuck what the NFL does with these cheating cunts, I want to see Bill and Kraft have to face Congres!!!! |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
My theory was about the organization's superiority in the decade. Keep grabbing...
See, I taught you something. ;) |
After being smacked down in SB XLII, seems like you're the one grabbing onto past (tainted) glory. Enjoy. |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
After being smacked down in SB XLII, seems like you're the one grabbing onto past (tainted) glory. Enjoy. |
And you just made my point...I knew I taught you somehting...you can thank me later :p |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
And you just made my point...I knew I taught you somehting...you can thank me later :p |
Your point was that people are upset about the spygate thing because they need something to "grab onto" because the Patriots are otherwise so untouchable. My team just beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, so I don't need anything to "grab onto," and yet I still think spygate is a disgrace. And these facts somehow prove your ridiculous point? Are we in the Bizarro World? |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
Your point was that people are upset about the spygate thing because they need something to "grab onto" because the Patriots are otherwise so untouchable. My team just beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, so I don't need anything to "grab onto," and yet I still think spygate is a disgrace. And these facts somehow prove your ridiculous point? Are we in the Bizarro World? |
You aren't getting my point; you might want someone to explain it to you :jj:. I didn't say the Patriots are "untouchable". I said their organization has been the most successful this decade and most fans despise them because of this. I was replying to a post when someone said nobody would care if the raiders had been involved in spygate. You took the bait and whined too. That's why you proved my point. Of course the Giants outplayed the Pats in the SB and won the game...but that doesn't change the fact that most teams and fans hate the Patriots due to all of their success. I really can't make it any simpler for you...sorry. I hope you get it now. :) |
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| Disco_stu73 |
Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
You aren't getting my point; you might want someone to explain it to you :jj:. I didn't say the Patriots are "untouchable". I said their organization has been the most successful this decade and most fans despise them because of this. I was replying to a post when someone said nobody would care if the raiders had been involved in spygate. You took the bait and whined too. That's why you proved my point. Of course the Giants outplayed the Pats in the SB and won the game...but that doesn't change the fact that most teams and fans hate the Patriots due to all of their success. I really can't make it any simpler for you...sorry. I hope you get it now. :) |
As long as you admit that a football fan can be still be upset over Spygate without needing anything to "grab onto," we are done here. |
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| oneldef |
Quote: Originally posted by Disco_stu73
As long as you admit that a football fan can be still be upset over Spygate without needing anything to "grab onto," we are done here. |
As long as you admit that Spygate is incredibly overblown by most. Yes, the Patriots broke the rules which were clearly stated in a memo. Belichick said he "misinterpreted" the memo, but of course he knew what he was doing. However, that edict went out on multiple occassions because many teams (including the Dolphins and Bronocs) were caught in the past. Zach Thomas admitted that they used the local affiliates audio and video footage to steal audibles from Brady.
And to your point - If I was an unbiased party, of course I wouldn't like what N.E. did. But to listen to a Jet fan for instance (who clearly speaks from jealousy), you would think Belichick bugged the opposing teams lockeroom. If the Patriots were a .500 club with only one SB this decade, nobody would care. That is all I'm saying. |
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| Pussah2 |
| they should have lost the higher draft pick this year and this thing would have blown over. They were not fined enough. If they took the higher draft pick and suspended Belicheck for even 1 game this would have been over |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
they should have lost the higher draft pick this year and this thing would have blown over. They were not fined enough. If they took the higher draft pick and suspended Belicheck for even 1 game this would have been over |
It's not over till Congress says it's over......... |
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| Valve |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
I'm a bigger fag than AIDS |
Couldn't agree more! |
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| Valve |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
It's not over till one of my personalities says it's over......... |
Off the meds as usual? |
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| Pussah2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Valve
Couldn't agree more! |
you don't agree if the nfl took the higher draft pick and suspended belicheck for one game, no one would be talking about this anymore |
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| jackandcoke68 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
stop stalking me you 38 year old loser |
Nice math u asshole :lol: :lol: ...HOW'S YOUR 4TH PLACE yANKS THESE DAYS????? |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
you don't agree if the nfl took the higher draft pick and suspended belicheck for one game, no one would be talking about this anymore |
Patriots traded for that pick so I don't think the NFL could take that pick away and even if they did including suspending Belicheck people would still be talking about this. If won’t go away till the tapes are released and people see its not that big of a deal. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by jackandcoke68
Nice math u asshole :lol: :lol: ...HOW'S YOUR 4TH PLACE yANKS THESE DAYS????? |
Not as sore as your mom's pussy......... |
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| Sluggy |
| Wrong...... :rolleyes: |
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| Valve |
Quote: LAST WORD ON “OFFENSIVE SIGNALS”
Posted by Mike Florio on May 10, 2008, 10:40 p.m.
We’ve done some digging today on the report that Matt Walsh’s video collection includes at least one instance of the Pats stealing “offensive signals,” from the Miami Dolphins.
And we’ve learned that there’s no such thing as “offensive signals.” At least there aren’t “offensive signals” in the same sense that there are (or, given the coming use of radio receivers for defensive players, were) “defensive signals.” On defense, the coaches signal in the play to the players on the field. On offense, the play is called into the quarterback via the radio in his helmet.
Presumably, the tape created by Walsh shows the hand signals made by offensive coaches to alert the players on the field, and on the sidelines, to the personnel groupings that would be used, such as two running backs, one tight end, and two wideouts, or two tight ends, one running back, and two receivers.
Here’s how one source explained the process to us: “A play ends and the offensive coaching staff yells out on the sideline and simultaneously puts up a hand signal. Let’s say they want ‘regular’ personnel, which is two backs, two receivers and one tight end. The signal would be something like putting one finger in the air. The coach holds it up, but generally so do the players that are running on the field. The whole world sees it.”
And one group of folks who see it are the advance scouts from other teams who are attending the game for the purposes of, among other things, figuring out the number of fingers that are put in the air for each type of offensive grouping. It’s a simple process, and it’s a code that doesn’t require much effort to crack.
That’s in sharp contrast to the signals used by defensive coaches to call in defensive plays, which entails a level of intricacy that would require Rain Man-style abilities to decipher on the fly.
With all that said, it’s not presently known whether the ”offensive signals” on the Walsh tapes are the hand signs used to indicate personnel groupings. But we can’t imagine what else they would be.
And before anyone else sends in e-mails (or posts comments) suggesting that the signals were taped during one of the occasions when the coach-to-quarterback system was on the fritz, most (if not all) teams don’t use hand signals when that occurs. Instead, they either shuttle in players with the information, or the quarterback walks closer to the sideline and the coaches yell out the number that corresponds with the play on the quarterback’s wristband.
So there’s really nothing to it. And, as others have pointed out, the rule that the Pats broke relates to taping generally, not to the taping of offensive or defensive signals. Thus, the presence of one tape with “offensive signals” doesn’t constitute the kind of new evidence that will land the team or coach Bill Belichick in a fresh vat of boiling water.
We know that plenty of folks who don’t like the Patriots and/or media figures who want to see a compelling story fill the slow months because now and July hope that some previously undisclosed proof of cheating will emerge. If it does, it most likely won’t come from the Walsh tape with the “offensive signals.”
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| nuge67 |
| Congreess will decide, not the NFL. who have fucked this investigation up from the start |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by Valve
LAST WORD ON “OFFENSIVE SIGNALS” |
That's it... suspend him for a year and take away a 1st and 2nd round draft pick... those cheaters. It's a clear advantage videotaping offensive "signals" denoting groupings. The defense certainly can't pick up on how many wide-outs are stacked on either side of the line without aid from surreptitious means.
Oh, the whining that will occur when Belichick is finally and justly allowed to forget this entire, way overhyped bullshit. And I hope Arlen Specter has a heart attack over the angst. |
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| Omnipotent_1 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Congreess will decide, not the NFL. who have fucked this investigation up from the start |
Congress will decide what, you fucking turd? This has no business being a political issue. None. Go back into your rat hole. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
Congress will decide what, you fucking turd? This has no business being a political issue. None. Go back into your rat hole. |
Oh really, you dumb cock loving Queen, read the paper much? Congress and Sen. Spector are involved and RIPPED the NFL for the way they handled these rats in the first place, Congress will be calling a hearing on this soon, let's see how that angry midget handles the questions thrown at him by Congress!!! |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Oh really, you dumb cock loving Queen, read the paper much? Congress and Sen. Spector are involved and RIPPED the NFL for the way they handled these rats in the first place, Congress will be calling a hearing on this soon, let's see how that angry midget handles the questions thrown at him by Congress!!! |
The question is whether congress should be involved. Isn't there a fuckin' war going on? Specter is an idiot, the author of the magic bullet theory, remember and he should have more important things to worry about than the NFL's problems. I am not a Pats fan, either. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by otto02
The question is whether congress should be involved. Isn't there a fuckin' war going on? Specter is an idiot, the author of the magic bullet theory, remember and he should have more important things to worry about than the NFL's problems. I am not a Pats fan, either. |
Oh, cunty today. How come you didn't feel that way when they were going after Clemens? |
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| Valve |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Congreess will decide, not the NFL. who have fucked this investigation up from the start |
Congress? :rofl:
Arlen Specter is in the pocket of Comcast and a bitter Eagles fan.
"Congress" isn't doing shit. |
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| otto02 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Oh, cunty today. How come you didn't feel that way when they were going after Clemens? |
Check the posts, dipshit. I did, I just thought it was funnier with the asshole Clemens. |
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| nuge67 |
| Walsh meets with Goodell tomorrow, can't wait!! |
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| A.Lang=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Walsh meets with Goodell tomorrow, can't wait!! |
Walsh didn't have anything new big surprise. No Rams walkthrough tape. I saw the tapes and there are 20 guys signaling the defense so you can't even figure out the right sign. Then teams change their signs every week. Even Goodell said the tapes shouldn't have made that much of an impact. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
OH BABY, not only are these snakes stealing D signs, but O signs too, THEY ARE FUCKED!!!
From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.
Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.
"[It] contains shots of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players, followed by a shot from the end zone camera of Miami's offensive play, followed by a shot of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players for the next play, then edited to be followed by a shot of the subsequent Miami offensive play," Levy said of the tape. "And that pattern repeats throughout the entire tape, with occasional cuts to the scoreboard."
Goodell has made repeated references to the stealing of defensive signals by New England. That is, in part, presumably because the league has allowed direct radio communication from a coach to the quarterback since the 1994 season, diminishing the need for hand signals.
Specter Seeks Cooperation
Sen. Arlen Specter warned the NFL not to rush to judgment Thursday, suggesting the league is premature in trying to put the Spygate saga to rest.
Specter, R-Pa., spoke as commissioner Roger Goodell and top league officials prepared to view videotapes turned over by former New England Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has been critical of the investigation the league conducted into the Patriots' illicit taping practices.
"I think it is very unfortunate that the NFL has already started its 'nothing new' spin before watching the tapes or finding out what Matt Walsh has to say," Specter said. "Let's see where the evidence leads."
Walsh, employed by the Patriots from 1997 to 2003, is scheduled to meet with league officials Tuesday in New York. After that session, he is to travel to Washington and sit down with Specter and his staff.
Specter formally requested the league make available to him the evidence turned over by Walsh, which consists of eight tapes dating from 2000 through 2003. But as of Thursday night he had not gotten confirmation on when, or even if, he'd get the tapes.
"As a matter of basic fair play, I got to have the time to prepare," said Specter. "It's equal access … I'm waiting for them."
Goodell, however, suggested in a letter last Friday that Specter would eventually gain access to the tapes, saying: "Once I see the material I will be in a better position to respond … [I'm] confident we'll be able to make satisfactory arrangements for you or key staff to review the material."
Specter has complained about the lack of cooperation from the NFL as his staff has attempted to delve into the matter. Very few key individuals have spoken when approached by staff members. And attorneys for the Patriots and New York Jets have advised team employees against speaking with Specter.
"I got three pages of people who refused to talk to me,'' he said.
-- Mike Fish
"We don't know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven't looked at the tapes," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Thursday before the league had completed its review of the new evidence. "All we have is the list supplied last night [by Walsh's attorney]. One of them is labeled 'OFF signals.' None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we'll have more to say about that.
"The rule which the Patriots violated was the policy that prohibits use of equipment for the taping of offensive or defense signals. I know there've been references to defensive signals, which is more logical. But let us look at the tapes and verify what is on there."
Although Walsh turned over eight tapes this week, the number of games in which he personally videotaped opposing coaches is unclear. One source told ESPN.com that it "absolutely" is not the case that the six games on the eight tapes are the only instances the Patriots taped opponents during Walsh's tenure with the team.
One of the eight tapes in the package was shot by someone other than Walsh. It is a Sept. 29, 2002, game against San Diego, which was shot after Walsh was promoted from the video department. That tape captures just the coaches on the sideline, and the scoreboard before the game action is edited in.
The advancing sophistication in New England's videotaping practices apparently is also evident on the tapes, which begin with a Sept. 25, 2000, game against Miami and run through a Sept. 29, 2002, game with San Diego. It's also obvious throughout that the video shooter has one job on game day: to capture the opposing team's sideline coaches.
In one of the last tapes that Walsh shot -- the 2002 AFC Championship Game against the Pittsburgh Steelers -- the finished product includes sideline footage of the Pittsburgh coaches sending in signals, followed by a scan of the scoreboard that captures down, distance and game time, followed by two separate shots of the ensuing play, one from above the press box and the other from an end zone camera.
"The other seven tapes show the final product, which is a series of coaches' signals, followed by the play, followed by coaches' signals and then the next play -- all lined up one after another," said Levy, who represents Walsh. "So the final videotapes contain the opposing coaches' signals lined up directly with the play that was run, one after another."
Goodell is likely to quiz Walsh on these issues at their meeting scheduled for 7:30 a.m. Tuesday. Walsh is scheduled to travel to Washington, D.C., later in the day to meet with Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Specter has been critical of the NFL for destroying evidence turned over in September by New England, including six other tapes and notes from other taped games. Although those tapes only date back to the 2006 season, Aiello, the NFL spokesperson, said Thursday the notes dated to at least the 2002 season.
The notes were destroyed, and Aiello said he is uncertain whether there is any record of the games involved. He did say that Goodell previously informed Specter that details on the taping of the 2002 AFC championship, as well as three other games with Pittsburgh, were part of the notes.
Aiello said it has yet to be decided whether the Walsh tapes will be made public. But as the tapes arrived at the league office in New York, officials were relieved to find the package didn't include a long-rumored video of the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl, which would have put a huge cloud over the league's marquee event.
"That is fair assumption," Aiello said of the feelings of relief in the league office. "I'd rather leave those questions and answers to the commissioner, but it's unfortunate that that had been reported, and apparently there's no substance to it."
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Suck a Cock blowhard |
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| Specter is a bitter Eagles fan thats all this is about. They got the tapes what the fuck does he want them to do now. |
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Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Specter is a bitter Eagles fan thats all this is about. |
Don't forget about being in the back pocket of Comcast. |
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Don't forget about being in the back pocket of Comcast. |
What more does Specter want them to do? They caught the Patriots cheated, fined them, took their first round pick away, and are now considered the cheaters of the NFL. I don't know what else more the NFL can do. |
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Specter: Walsh indicated Jets taped as well
May 14, 2008 12:34 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando
Sen. Arlen Specter said former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh indicated he saw the Jets taping signals at one point during a Jets-Patriots game, but Walsh did not say anything about it at the time. Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee.
Spygate, Matt Walsh, Roger Goodell, Sen. Arlen Specter, Arlen Specter
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