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Valve

Walsh had nothing Goodell didn't already know about.

So much for that.

Spygate is over.

Now all we have to do is listen to the pissed off, bitter, Eagles fan, Arlen Specter who is in the back pocket of Comcast.

steve7968

if you read further in the article.. nfl negotiated that the patriots pay for walsh LEGAL EXPENSES and TRAVEL from Hawaii to NY :scratch:

Valve

How much could he be making as a golf pro?

Wicked Red Sox

a sad day for NUGE :D

Wicked Red Sox

After meeting with ex-Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh for three and a half hours Tuesday and reviewing the tapes Walsh presented, the NFL will not further penalize the Patriots regarding the SpyGate affair.

According to commissioner Roger Goodell, Walsh claimed there was no Rams Super Bowl walkthrough tape, he never saw such a tape, and that Walsh was on the sidelines during the practice in full Patriots gear. Other than filming signals, Walsh said he knew of no other cheating by New England. Walsh did say the Pats allowed players on injured reserve to practice, which is against league rules, and that players scalped Super Bowl tickets. Goodell says the NFL will look into those issues, but has no plans to take action. This appears to be the end of SpyGate, finally.

Elslavo

He got bought out - plain and simple

A.Lang=Crazy

I saw the tapes and you can't even tell which is the correct defensive signal. You got 5 coaches and 5 players waving their hands so I don't know how they can figure out which is correct. Then most teams change their signs every couple of weeks if not every week and even Goodell said teams should be prepared for this so it shouldn't have had much of an impact.

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by Elslavo
He got bought out - plain and simple

Aliens from Mars are behind this.

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
I saw the tapes and you can't even tell which is the correct defensive signal. You got 5 coaches and 5 players waving their hands so I don't know how they can figure out which is correct. Then most teams change their signs every couple of weeks if not every week and even Goodell said teams should be prepared for this so it shouldn't have had much of an impact.

I've never heard anyone ask if the teams the Pat's taped changed the signals for the next game. If they didn't they're retarded. If they did then this whole thing isn't as big a deal as a lot of people are getting sandy vagina's over.

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by Wicked Red Sox
a sad day for NUGE :D

He'll come in and say "It's for Congress to decide!"

How, I have no idea.

sppinach

I have no idea what is going on.

IceWater

Quote: Originally posted by Valve
Walsh had nothing Goodell didn't already know about.

So much for that.

Spygate is over.

Now all we have to do is listen to the pissed off, bitter, Eagles fan, Arlen Specter who is in the back pocket of Comcast.

The Herald still stands behind their sources so that means the whole story is true ahahhhaa, and Arlen Spector isn't a Eagles fan, hes from Kansas..............

evilbob

Quote: Originally posted by Wicked Red Sox
a sad day for NUGE :D

Isn't every day a sad day for Nuge?

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by IceWater
The Herald still stands behind their sources so that means the whole story is true ahahhhaa, and Arlen Spector isn't a Eagles fan, hes from Kansas..............

Wrong, Spector is an Eagles fan, look it up. He's talked about it before.

Of course the Herald is saying they stand by their "source", if they don't they'll be open to litigation.

KMSDEMON

Quote: Originally posted by Valve
Wrong, Spector is an Eagles fan, look it up. He's talked about it before.

Of course the Herald is saying they stand by their "source", if they don't they'll be open to litigation.

exactly.

he admitted the only reason he's doing this is because he's an eagles fan.

what he doesnt mention though is that comcast and comcast's lawyers are
in his back pocket.

IceWater

yeah....huge eagles fan..............................................and don't feel so picked on by Spector, the Patriots aren't the first team he went after, he seems to hate football

Specter has had a long history of battles with the NFL. In November 2005, he sought to have the Philadelphia Eagles and the NFL investigated for violation of antitrust laws over their handling of Terrell Owens. In December of 2007, he sought to have the law that allows the National Football League to sign lucrative television contracts on behalf of all 32 teams repealed. In February 2008, he sought to have religious organizations declared exempt from NFL copyright laws.

IceWater

Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
exactly.

he admitted the only reason he's doing this is because he's an eagles fan.

what he doesnt mention though is that comcast and comcast's lawyers are
in his back pocket.

he went after the Eagles in 05 for treating TO bad.............big Eagles fan.....

Case a Beer

What a colossal waste of time. :rolleyes:

It's such a cluster fuck on those sidelines, how could anyone tell what the fuck was going on?

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by IceWater
he went after the Eagles in 05 for treating TO bad.............big Eagles fan.....

Because he wanted TO in Philly so the Eagles wouldn't suck.

IceWater

Quote: Originally posted by Valve
Because he wanted TO in Philly so the Eagles wouldn't suck.

I hope this is a joke, its a horrible one..but for the sake of your intelligence I hope its a joke......

KingOfAllWhites

Where is Nuge...he is suddently quite :jj:

KMSDEMON

Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Where is Nuge...he is suddently quite :jj:

Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Sure I do, my dad is a war veteran babe and I am proud of him. I was just making a joke, but I see you are in no mood for such tonight.

In fact, I see I am not wanted here anymore, maybe it's time for me to get a life and go find myself. Sorry if I offended you lisa, I am sorry..........

Bye everyone, it was a fun ride, but it isn't the same without Petey and Lenny, and now lisa hates me, fuck it..................

I hope both bad and clit entertains everyone as well as I have............

KingOfAllWhites

:lol:

I put his return at 48 hrs max :jj:

Marinolaw

Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:

I put his return at 48 hrs max :jj:

who? don't know him

DestroVega

why is it a sad day for nuge? the Pats still cheated pretty much every game for the last 8 years.

Case a Beer

Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
why is it a sad day for nuge? the Pats still cheated pretty much every game for the last 8 years.

Because that dipshit was praying that Walsh had some type of evidence that would further prolong the already overblown "spygate" matter.

pretty much every game, huh? And you would know this how?

howardspinworms

As an unbiased 3rd party (I'm not from Boston but I don't hate the Patriots either like most NFL fans), this is what I learned after the NFL interviewed 50 witnessess and Matt Walsh:

1. There was no videotaping of the Rams' walk-thru.

2. The Pats didn't use the tapes during the games.

3. Belichick said he "misinterpreted the rules" but he is lying because Walsh was told "not to get caught".

4. Some Patriots sold their Super Bowl tickets.

5. It is legal to steal signals, teams should expect it and change/hide signals. It is NOT legal to videotape them...hence the earlier penalties. Eventhough many Patriots fans say "every team does it", it doesn't sound like it.

6. The Patriots did not mic up defensive players to steal audibles of the offense which was rumored.

7. The Patriots did not steal frequencies of the opposing QB headsets to hear plays which was also rumored.

8. The Patriots had guys practicing who were on I.R. and were not supposed to be practicing.

9. Matt Walsh looks kind of dorky and a little like a bitch in this whole deal.

If you hated the Pats before and thought Bill Belichick was the devil, you probably still do. If you are from N.E. and thought they got a bad rap for small infractions, you probably still think that too.

All in all, a happy day for the Patriots organization, the Boston Herald should be sued, and maybe we can stop talking about Spygate in football and The Mitchell Report in baseball!!!

DestroVega

Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer
Because that dipshit was praying that Walsh had some type of evidence that would further prolong the already overblown "spygate" matter.

pretty much every game, huh? And you would know this how?

So, they only choose to tape some games? :rolleyes:

Come on dude, you are smarter than that.

I'm also one who celebrates the Pats greatness. not shit on it.

You still gotta win the games on the actual field , but Bellichek is a cheater, in most walks of his life. ask his ex-wife.

howardspinworms

Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
why is it a sad day for nuge? the Pats still cheated pretty much every game for the last 8 years.

Walsh said they weren't able to do it EVERY game because of security and they didn't do it to teams they didn't think they would see in the future. So they only cheated in half the games probably.

But do you really think it is that big of a deal? It's cheating and it's wrong but I can't see how it is that big of an advantage. But they kept doing it so I guess Belichick got something out of it.

Ultra Warrior

Quote: Originally posted by howardspinworms
Walsh said they weren't able to do it EVERY game because of security and they didn't do it to teams they didn't think they would see in the future. So they only cheated in half the games probably.

But do you really think it is that big of a deal? It's cheating and it's wrong but I can't see how it is that big of an advantage. But they kept doing it so I guess Belichick got something out of it.

Exactly. You don't continue to do it if there wasn't SOMETHING there that could give them an advantage. Even Goodell didn't believe Belichicks "I misinterpreted the rule" bullshit.

Jerry Remy

Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
So, they only choose to tape some games? :rolleyes:

Come on dude, you are smarter than that.

I'm also one who celebrates the Pats greatness. not shit on it.

You still gotta win the games on the actual field , but Bellichek is a cheater, in most walks of his life. ask his ex-wife.

:rolleyes:

howardspinworms

Quote: Originally posted by Ultra Warrior
Exactly. You don't continue to do it if there wasn't SOMETHING there that could give them an advantage. Even Goodell didn't believe Belichicks "I misinterpreted the rule" bullshit.

It was obvious when Walsh was told to "not get caught". That said, I really don't think it's a big deal. Belichick is fucking crazy and the guy obsesses on everything so he would probably overdue everything anyway. The reason why I don't think it's a big deal is because Sen Spector talked to the Eagles and Steelers and they said it didn't mean much and most coaches (Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Bill Cowher, Barry Switzer and even Tony Dungy) all said they didn't like it but really didn't think you could gain an advantage.

I'm originally from Hawaii (and lived all over - Navy brat) and I really don't have a favorite team but I'm tired of the whole thing. Let this and the Mitchell Report go. But I still wouldn't trust Belichick wife with my playbook or my wife.

Case a Beer

I didn't see where it was said that they taped pretty much every game, did you?

I am biased in this whole thing, but I have yet to see how this could have a competitive advantage, either down the road, or more importantly within the game being played. There just isn't a clear cut way it all goes down. I've read where It would simply be too cumbersome to forward and/or rewind through the raw tape during the three total hours of a game (including a 12-minute halftime) to make any use out of this information in the second half.

And, if the purpose of the taping was only to use it in the same game, why did the taping continue into the second half?

And every team sends scouts to team's games that they be playing during the season. Those guys are studying players, formations, sub packages, signals,...teams would be crazy not to really mix their stuff up from week to week.

I think what it really comes down to is that Belichick broke a league rule two weeks after the commish sent a memo recapping all the league rules prior to the season beginning.

oneldef

Quote: Originally posted by howardspinworms
As an unbiased 3rd party (I'm not from Boston but I don't hate the Patriots either like most NFL fans), this is what I learned after the NFL interviewed 50 witnessess and Matt Walsh:

1. There was no videotaping of the Rams' walk-thru.

2. The Pats didn't use the tapes during the games.

3. Belichick said he "misinterpreted the rules" but he is lying because Walsh was told "not to get caught".

4. Some Patriots sold their Super Bowl tickets.

5. It is legal to steal signals, teams should expect it and change/hide signals. It is NOT legal to videotape them...hence the earlier penalties. Eventhough many Patriots fans say "every team does it", it doesn't sound like it.

6. The Patriots did not mic up defensive players to steal audibles of the offense which was rumored.

7. The Patriots did not steal frequencies of the opposing QB headsets to hear plays which was also rumored.

8. The Patriots had guys practicing who were on I.R. and were not supposed to be practicing.

9. Matt Walsh looks kind of dorky and a little like a bitch in this whole deal.

If you hated the Pats before and thought Bill Belichick was the devil, you probably still do. If you are from N.E. and thought they got a bad rap for small infractions, you probably still think that too.

All in all, a happy day for the Patriots organization, the Boston Herald should be sued, and maybe we can stop talking about Spygate in football and The Mitchell Report in baseball!!!

Agree on 1,2,5,6,7, and 9. I don't care about the rest and neither does anyone else except for those jealous fans. :p

oneldef

Quote: Originally posted by IceWater
I hope this is a joke, its a horrible one..but for the sake of your intelligence I hope its a joke......

Specter is an eagles fan, you should read up. And by the way, you should change your avatar. Another year, another year without a championship for Philly :jj:

nunpuncher

beautiful post
i wish every paper in america would print your post

DestroVega

as I stated prior though, you do still have to go out and win the games.

IceWater

Quote: Originally posted by oneldef
Specter is an eagles fan, you should read up. And by the way, you should change your avatar. Another year, another year without a championship for Philly :jj:

you know nothing...he ran for mayor in Philly and now he is a senator in Pennsylvania, of course he said he is an Eagles fan....if he ran in Minnesota he would be a Vikings fan dumbass...he was born in Kansas....and In 05 he went after the Eagles for treating TO bad..TO!!!!!!!!!.....and why make a flyers remark it has nothing to do with the thread...are you retarded??? ADD?? stick to the subject little man...

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by Valve
I've never heard anyone ask if the teams the Pat's taped changed the signals for the next game. If they didn't they're retarded. If they did then this whole thing isn't as big a deal as a lot of people are getting sandy vagina's over.

So? Did the teams the Pat's taped use the same signals against them the next time they played or not? Do they change signals every game? Every 4 games?

Odd how no one can be bothered to talk about this. I guess it just makes too much sense. :rolleyes:

StumpMerrill

Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer

I am biased in this whole thing, but I have yet to see how this could have a competitive advantage, either down the road, or more importantly within the game being played.

Why owuld they do it then? for fun? I'm sure other teams do it and have done it but please take your heads out of the sand on this issue. What would be the logical reason for the pats doing this and for them telling Walsh not to let anyone see him doing this?

Even the commissioner knows he lied to him but for some reason he won't do anything about it.

Quote: "I'm pretty well on the record here that I didn't accept Bill Belichick's explanation for what happened," Goodell said. "And I still don't to this day."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...uper_doubt.html

It's time to move on but don't act like the Pats didn't do anything wrong and don't pretend that the info they got was not useful.

Valve

Ernie Adams

Omnipotent_1

Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill

Even the commissioner knows he lied to him but for some reason he won't do anything about it.

I realize that it is difficult for New York fans to see through their seething hatred for all things Boston, but can you just try and use just a little bit of logic for a minute? Why do you think that the commissioner has gone out of his way to stymie any further inquiries? Why penalize the Patriots and then close the book? I'll type the following in caps so that you and every other bitter cynic gets it:

SHADY PRACTICES WERE AND ARE COMMON THROUGHOUT THE NFL. ALL TEAMS TRY TO GAIN COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES.

That's it in a nutshell. The only difference between your team and the Patriots is that they got caught... or rather, they got turned in by a bitter rat fuck ex-defensive coordinator turned rival head coach. Just be glad that Goodell stopped it there. You had better believe that most of the coaches and players in the league are happy about it and want this thing put to bed. Only ESPN and other media outlets want to milk this non-story for everything that it's worth. This is a disappointing anti-climactic ending for all of them... and for all Boston hating New Yorkers.

Case a Beer

Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
Why owuld they do it then? for fun? I'm sure other teams do it and have done it but please take your heads out of the sand on this issue. What would be the logical reason for the pats doing this and for them telling Walsh not to let anyone see him doing this?

Even the commissioner knows he lied to him but for some reason he won't do anything about it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...uper_doubt.html

It's time to move on but don't act like the Pats didn't do anything wrong and don't pretend that the info they got was not useful.

Well how was it useful? It's easy to just say that they had this advantage, and these signals helped them win games, but how?

tendencies?, formations? blitzs?..you can get all that from the game film that the coaches break down during the week. They are given the 11 on 11 overhead, and the endzone film like what was played yesterday.

As a coach, would you rather study a player or a team weakness during your prep week, or spend time trying to decipher what a hand signal from a couple of weeks ago meant?

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by Case a Beer

or spend time trying to decipher what a hand signal from a couple of weeks ago meant?

And that would only work if the opposing team was using the SAME signals as the ones you've taped.

Case a Beer

Quote: Originally posted by Valve
And that would only work if the opposing team was using the SAME signals as the ones you've taped.

A lot of people are thinking by having some hand signals on tape that the pats essentially had the opposing team's playbook, or something.

StumpMerrill

Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
I realize that it is difficult for New York fans to see through their seething hatred for all things Boston, but can you just try and use just a little bit of logic for a minute? Why do you think that the commissioner has gone out of his way to stymie any further inquiries? Why penalize the Patriots and then close the book? I'll type the following in caps so that you and every other bitter cynic gets it:

SHADY PRACTICES WERE AND ARE COMMON THROUGHOUT THE NFL. ALL TEAMS TRY TO GAIN COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES.

That's it in a nutshell. The only difference between your team and the Patriots is that they got caught... or rather, they got turned in by a bitter rat fuck ex-defensive coordinator turned rival head coach. Just be glad that Goodell stopped it there. You had better believe that most of the coaches and players in the league are happy about it and want this thing put to bed. Only ESPN and other media outlets want to milk this non-story for everything that it's worth. This is a disappointing anti-climactic ending for all of them... and for all Boston hating New Yorkers.

I've already said it's time to move on but please stop acting like this wasn't a big deal waht the Pats did. Not only did they cheat but Belichick lied about it to the commish. You can make accusations but there's not any evidence of such practices by other teams. I am sure plenty of teams have tried to bend the rules a bit to gain an advantage but the pats had been caught before and were warned not to do it again and they continued to do it which is why they were slapped on the wrist.

Do I still think the Pats have been a great team this decade? Absolutely, do I think the cheating helped? Yeah I do or else why would they have been doing it? Does it taint their Championships? That might be a little strong but it does bring them down a notch. I hope it's over for good, I hope Belichick doesn't continue to think he's above the law and try this again but we'll see.

A.Lang=Crazy

Explain to me how they won 17 games though without video tapes if it makes such a big difference. Goodell said himself teams should know about this and most teams change their signals so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. People think by videotaping it’s an automatic way. Not denying it doesn't help, but you still need the right play and players to execute the play.

StumpMerrill

Quote: Originally posted by A.Lang=Crazy
Explain to me how they won 17 games though without video tapes if it makes such a big difference. Goodell said himself teams should know about this and most teams change their signals so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. People think by videotaping it’s an automatic way. Not denying it doesn't help, but you still need the right play and players to execute the play.

First off we don't know they did it w/o any video help and second if it doesn't help them then why were they doing it?

No one says the Pats were not a talented team, it's not like the '07 dolphins would have been great had they videotaped but it obviously helps a team and when the margins are so small any little edge can put yop over the top.

Valve

Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
First off we don't know they did it w/o any video help and second if it doesn't help them then why were they doing it?

yoo hooo, hello, Ernie Adams.

Pussah2

we know they did not cheat for the super bowl. :rofl:

Marinolaw

Quote: Originally posted by StumpMerrill
I've already said it's time to move on but please stop acting like this wasn't a big deal waht the Pats did. Not only did they cheat but Belichick lied about it to the commish. You can make accusations but there's not any evidence of such practices by other teams. I am sure plenty of teams have tried to bend the rules a bit to gain an advantage but the pats had been caught before and were warned not to do it again and they continued to do it which is why they were slapped on the wrist.

Do I still think the Pats have been a great team this decade? Absolutely, do I think the cheating helped? Yeah I do or else why would they have been doing it? Does it taint their Championships? That might be a little strong but it does bring them down a notch. I hope it's over for good, I hope Belichick doesn't continue to think he's above the law and try this again but we'll see.

Jimmy Jones has said repeatedly that every team does it, so i assume if nothing else he is speaking for his Cowboys

Omnipotent_1

There's not evidence of systematic steroid use as well as other banned substances by players other than Yankees, save a few. Guess that means no other players in the league cheated like the Yankees.

A.Lang=Crazy

Quote: Originally posted by Pussah2
we know they did not cheat for the super bowl. :rofl:

Enjoy your 8-8 season this year. When did you jump on the bandwagon? After the Cowboys game?

StumpMerrill

Quote: Originally posted by Omnipotent_1
There's not evidence of systematic steroid use as well as other banned substances by players other than Yankees, save a few. Guess that means no other players in the league cheated like the Yankees.

That's silly, only a few Yankees were "caught" and we know most of the league did it. Where are the whispers about other teams? The Pats said the Jets did it to them but it was thrown out immediately b/c the proof they thought they had was nothing and the Jets had league permission to tape where they were taping from.

Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw
Jimmy Jones has said repeatedly that every team does it, so i assume if nothing else he is speaking for his Cowboys

You got Jimmy Johnson & Jerry Jones mixed together :D I am sure other teams have done thing sliek this but the Pats were warned to stop and they kept doing it. I don't know what the outcomes would have ben had they not been doing it. I think they would probably have been just as good but that doubt will now always be there unfortunately for you guys.

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