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| Fdubya247 |
Best Hardball ever.
This right-wing cunt could not answer the simple question of what exactly Neville Chamberlain did that was objectionable (because it had NOTHING to do with "talking" to Hitler). The fucktard kept repeating the same irrelevant talking point about being an "appeaser", over and over and over again, despite the fact that "appeasement" does not mean "talking", and therefore has nothing to do with what Obama has said.
Chris lost his mind. It went on for at least 5 mins. It was glorious.
Chris told the guy he was "BS-ing" him.
:jj:
Chris eviscerated and exposed an ignorant Bush apologist and proclaimed that "these people", referring to right-wingers and the Dana Perino's of the world, as "blank slates" when it comes to history. They don't know what they are talking about.
Of course it is maddening that Matthews has taken this long to realize this and say something about it, after all the LIARS he's had on his show year after year, but fuck was it sweet!!!
I'll try and find a link later. It just aired....
:ps:
EDIT:
Here is a link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
It is the 4th video link down, "Did Bush just enter the ’08 race?".
The right-wing fucktard was "Kevin James", a "conservative" radio host in Los Angeles. |
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| Anogram |
| :tu: Chris has been getting on my nerves. Glad to hear this. |
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| JUST1COMMENT |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Best Hardball ever.
This right-wing cunt could not answer the simple question of what exactly Neville Chamberlain did that was objectionable (because it had NOTHING to do with "talking" to Hitler). The fucktard kept repeating the same irrelevant talking point about being an "appeaser", over and over and over again, despite the fact that "appeasement" does not mean "talking", and therefore has nothing to do with what Obama has said.
Chris lost his mind. It went on for at least 5 mins. It was glorious.
Chris told the guy he was "BS-ing" him.
:jj:
Chris eviscerated and exposed an ignorant Bush apologist and proclaimed that "these people", referring to right-wingers and the Dana Perino's of the world, as "blank slates" when it comes to history. They don't know what they are talking about.
Of course it is maddening that Matthews has taken this long to realize this and say something about it, after all the LIARS he's had on his show year after year, but fuck was it sweet!!!
I'll try and find a link later. It just aired....
:ps: |
Sorry I missed it. Can you recall who the rightwinger was? |
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| fastfingersfunk |
| this will give your miserable existence a few seconds of relief. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Anogram
:tu: Chris has been getting on my nerves. Glad to hear this. |
Yeah, I was pumping my fist for him!
It was the first or second segment....I know it ended after the 20-25 min mark....
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| VacateTheWord |
Wow, I'm shocked that Chris Matthews would get his balls in a knot over defending Obama.
This guy has been getting hard-ons for Obama - saying shit like "every time I hear a speech by this guy I get a tingling sensation going up my leg."
It was great last Tuesday - Terry McCauliffe called him out for being the Obama apologist that he is.
One question - how much lip drool was eminating from Matthews when he was defending Obama? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by JUST1COMMENT
Sorry I missed it. Can you recall who the rightwinger was? |
I didn't catch his last name....it was Kevin something....I came in right in the middle of it....
He was the classic cookie-cutter GOP operative, ignorant douchey white guy.
He was opposite Mark Green. Between Mark and Chris, this guy was ass-raped and PWND!!!
I'll try and post a link later tonight from his site....I don't know what the turnaround is, show to web....
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
I didn't catch his last name....it was Kevin something....I came in right in the middle of it....
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I didn't see it, but if the first name was Kevin then it was probably Kevin Madden, who was Mitt Romney's communications director. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
Wow, I'm shocked that Chris Matthews would get his balls in a knot over defending Obama.
This guy has been getting hard-ons for Obama - saying shit like "every time I hear a speech by this guy I get a tingling sensation going up my leg."
It was great last Tuesday - Terry McCauliffe called him out for being the Obama apologist that he is.
One question - how much lip drool was eminating from Matthews when he was defending Obama? |
Cry more bitch, its not like you could make the argument either!
Fucking Cunt.
The Truth is the Truth. Your ilk is nothing but empty rhetoric, ignorance, LIES, propaganda, misinformation and cowardice.
It was all on display.
Embarrassing and sad.
:shake:
R. I. P.
G. :hitler:. P.
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
I didn't see it, but if the first name was Kevin then it was probably Kevin Madden, who was Mitt Romney's communications director. |
He got embarrassed and called out. Chris even started talking about him to Mark Green like he wasn't even there!
The irrelevance and farce of the GOP narrative was exposed once more.
:ps: |
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| VacateTheWord |
:lol:
The next Commander-In-Chief and the person who will keep our country safe.
:lol: |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
The next Commander-In-Chief and the person who will keep our country safe.
:lol: |
Exactly.
See how you right-wingers are incapable of actually addressing anything of substance?
Your ignorance forces you people to deflect impotently, like the castrated fuck-tards you are.
Thanks for the self-exposure again, Turdy!
Fucking pathetic.
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| tyrnightwolf |
| I think the show repeats at 7, but I'm not sure. Probably worth checking out. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by tyrnightwolf
I think the show repeats at 7, but I'm not sure. Probably worth checking out. |
Please, everyone...do so!
:yes:
I'm going to count how many times the shithead said "appeaser, appeaser!" like a retarded goose-stepping robot, even after Chris told him his answer was unacceptable and why.
Just like VaCunt, mindlessly parroting debunked talking-point after debunked talking-point....
"Wait 'til September..."
"Wait 'til September..."
"Wait 'til September..."
:rolleyes:
....fucking asshole. |
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| Jazzy |
| That is a funny pic though. Wish someone would photoshop it into Buckwheat. |
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| JUST1COMMENT |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Please, everyone...do so!
:yes:
I'm going to count how many times the shithead said "appeaser, appeaser!" like a retarded goose-stepping robot, even after Chris told him his answer was unacceptable and why.
Just like VaCunt, mindlessly parroting debunked talking-point after debunked talking-point....
"Wait 'til September..."
"Wait 'til September..."
"Wait 'til September..."
:rolleyes:
....fucking asshole. |
Is this him?
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| Stonewall |
Chamberlain did not understand that there was no negotiation with Hitler that would lead to peace.
It's the same thing with Iran. You can negotiate all you want but Iran is going to do what it wants to do. Iran knows that the world is full of appeasers and weak people. It has no reason to fear anything. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
Chamberlain did not understand that there was no negotiation with Hitler that would lead to peace.
It's the same thing with Iran. You can negotiate all you want but Iran is going to do what it wants to do. Iran knows that the world is full of appeasers and weak people. It has no reason to fear anything. |
Not surprising you are having your usual trouble with vocabulary.
We are talking about "appeasement", and how right-wingers don't know their vocabulary or history.
Giving concessions to Hitler was appeasement. Diplomacy/negotiation/"talking" are not concessions or appeasements.
Stupid fuck. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Here is a link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
It is the 4th video link down, "Did Bush just enter the ’08 race?".
The right-wing fucktard was "Kevin James", a "conservative" radio host in Los Angeles. |
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| AcquiringSignal |
| Chris is a pussy.... He didnt nail McCain on his Hagee Endorsement or his Senior Moments - but he will have nightly Obama Watch. |
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| Fdubya247 |
appease: to pacify or placate someone by acceding to their demands.
Trying to pass off diplomacy as kneejerk appeasement is pathetic, yet typical, of the fascists in the G. :hitler:. P.... |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Not surprising you are having your usual trouble with vocabulary.
We are talking about "appeasement", and how right-wingers don't know their vocabulary or history.
Giving concessions to Hitler was appeasement. Diplomacy/negotiation/"talking" are not concessions or appeasements.
Stupid fuck. |
It's not me having the problem. But, each generation must learn their mistakes.
Any negotiation with Iran over there nuke program, will fail. Any negotiation over Iran's support of terror, will fail. Any negotiation with Iran in regard to their agenda of spreading their Islamic revolution through Jihad, will fail.
Why? Because Iran has no reason to give in. Like Hitler enjoyed they are in a world of weak people.
Iran must really enjoy the debate over negotiations with Iran. They get to see the fools in all their glory. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Here is a link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
It is the 4th video link down, "Did Bush just enter the ’08 race?".
The right-wing fucktard was "Kevin James", a "conservative" radio host in Los Angeles. |
That was fucking great
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
It's not me having the problem. But, each generation must learn their mistakes.
Any negotiation with Iran over there nuke program, will fail. Any negotiation over Iran's support of terror, will fail. Any negotiation with Iran in regard to their agenda of spreading their Islamic revolution through Jihad, will fail.
Why? Because Iran has no reason to give in. Like Hitler enjoyed they are in a world of weak people.
Iran must really enjoy the debate over negotiations with Iran. They get to see the fools in all their glory. |
:crazy::drool::freak:
Go chew on the carpet under your bed some more. Stop trying to hijack threads with your delusional mewlings....
No one cares Stumpy. You are irrelevant. A joke. A douche....
:hw: |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
:crazy::drool::freak:
Go chew on the carpet under your bed some more. Stop trying to hijack threads with your delusional mewlings....
No one cares Stumpy. You are irrelevant. A joke. A douche....
:hw: |
As long as you just attack me, I'll consider you defeated. |
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| WillowGlen |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Wow, I'm shocked that Chris Matthews would get his balls in a knot over defending Obama.
This guy has been getting hard-ons for Obama - saying shit like "every time I hear a speech by this guy I get a tingling sensation going up my leg."
It was great last Tuesday - Terry McCauliffe called him out for being the Obama apologist that he is.
One question - how much lip drool was eminating from Matthews when he was defending Obama? |
Matthews is an equal opportunity suck up. He will latch onto to whoevers in front at the moment regarless of party affiliation. I notice McCauliffe never had a problem when he was on Hardball month after month when Matthews was sucking up to "frontrunner" Hillary.
McCauliffes deep into career damage control mode. Hes doing everything he can and blaming anyone he can point the finger at to try and save his reputation after taking the locked in Democratic nominee and mismanaging the campaign so far into the ground a black guy who 10 percent of the US population still thinks is a muslim beat him. Right now he has less credibility than Bill OReilly.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
It's not me having the problem. But, each generation must learn their mistakes.
Any negotiation with Iran over there nuke program, will fail. Any negotiation over Iran's support of terror, will fail. Any negotiation with Iran in regard to their agenda of spreading their Islamic revolution through Jihad, will fail.
Why? Because Iran has no reason to give in. Like Hitler enjoyed they are in a world of weak people.
Iran must really enjoy the debate over negotiations with Iran. They get to see the fools in all their glory. |
It must be nice to have a crystal ball that can tell you what will and will not fail. Where was all this insight when we were marching towards Iraq there Carnac? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
That was fucking great
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: |
Kevin James -------> :ass2mouth <------- Chris Matthews
replay on tv starting in 5 mins....! |
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| Marinolaw |
| isn't he on a 7pm? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
As long as you just attack me, I'll consider you defeated. |
:rolleyes:
That's probably what "Kevin James" told Chris Matthews too....
*FLUSH*
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw
isn't he on a 7pm? |
2pm and 4pm on the westcoast |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
:rolleyes:
That's probably what "Kevin James" told Chris Matthews too....
*FLUSH*
:crapper: |
One thing is very clear, there is no doubt among the Democrats who Bush was talking about when he said appeaser.
:) |
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| JTProcess |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:lol:
The next Commander-In-Chief and the person who will keep our country safe.
:lol: |
Hopefully he keeps us safer than this guy:
I mean c'mon... the biggest terrorist attack in history happened on HIS watch! |
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| IF 6 WAS 9 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
The next Commander-In-Chief and the person who will keep our country safe.
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Looks like a guy having fun with a kid on a ride. And?
Remember that there are pics like this that include Bush. Like him reading books with school kids... And even a pic of him holding a guitar at a party.
The only difference between the pic of Obama and the pics of Bush is that Bush was doing all those fun things while disasters were occurring. |
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| fastfingersfunk |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
Hopefully he keeps us safer than this guy:
I mean c'mon... the biggest terrorist attack in history happened on HIS watch! |
yeah because clinton slept on afghanistan after WTC 93 (which btw, if they were successful in 93, a lot more than 3000 would have died). clinton lobbed a few missiles into an empty training camp. great fucking work. proof that 9/11 is what happens when you brush off the last attack and try to pretend it never happened. |
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| Marinolaw |
| Johnny F ratto=Mark Greene |
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| artechba |
He was an "appeaser"
ROFL
hahahah
:hhh:
Someone give this guy a history book |
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| danrich03 |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
yeah because clinton slept on afghanistan after WTC 93 (which btw, if they were successful in 93, a lot more than 3000 would have died). clinton lobbed a few missiles into an empty training camp. great fucking work. proof that 9/11 is what happens when you brush off the last attack and try to pretend it never happened. |
To be fair, Clinton indeed deserves some of the blame for 9/11.
I put him in the category as Bush when it comes to corruption and sleaze. |
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| Magnum PI |
That was the Best Segment ever! :lol:
Kevin James.
To appease is to make anxious overtures and often undue concessions to satisfy the demands of someone with a greed for power, territory, etc. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
To be fair, Clinton indeed deserves some of the blame for 9/11.
I put him in the category as Bush when it comes to corruption and sleaze. |
:rolleyes: |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
yeah because clinton slept on afghanistan after WTC 93 (which btw, if they were successful in 93, a lot more than 3000 would have died). clinton lobbed a few missiles into an empty training camp. great fucking work. proof that 9/11 is what happens when you brush off the last attack and try to pretend it never happened. |
You are ignorant. |
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| BarkonCue |
Biden calls Bush comments 'bullshit'
The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Joe Biden, D-Delaware, called President Bush’s comments accusing Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats of wanting to appease terrorists "bulls–t” and said if the president disagrees so strongly with the idea of talking to Iran then he needs to fire his secretaries of State and Defense, both of whom Biden said have pushed to sit down with the Iranians.
“This is bullsh**t. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset…and make this kind of ridiculous statement,” Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor.
“He’s the guy who’s weakened us. He’s the guy that’s increased the number of terrorists in the world. His policies have produced this vulnerability the United States has. His intelligence community pointed that out not me. The NIE has pointed that out and what are you talking about, is he going to fire Condi Rice? Condi Rice has talked about the need to sit down. So his first two appeasers are Rice and Gates. I hope he comes home and does something.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...omments-bulls-t |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
To be fair, Clinton indeed deserves some of the blame for 9/11.
I put him in the category as Bush when it comes to corruption and sleaze. |
How many Times did the Republicans claim that Clinton was Wagging The Dog and that Business was more important than some second rate terrorist.
Don't spin it ! |
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| JUST1COMMENT |
Holy shit! I could've done a better job defending GW than that guy! I was actually cringing at how embarrassing he was; THANKS, FDUBYA!
I think the GOP would be better off with this guy defending them:
Edit: I forget, where does this loser have a radio show? |
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| fastfingersfunk |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
You are ignorant. |
thats the best argument you have? LMFAO. ok jihad lover, what i said is 100% true and based on facts. debate it or stfu. "you are ignorant" helps your case. :rolleyes: |
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| IF 6 WAS 9 |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
thats the best argument you have? LMFAO. ok jihad lover, what i said is 100% true and based on facts. debate it or stfu. "you are ignorant" helps your case. :rolleyes: |
I think you just proved fDubya's point... |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
One thing is very clear, there is no doubt among the Democrats who Bush was talking about when he said appeaser.
:) |
Im sure you agree that Ronald Reagan was an appeaser for speaking with Gorbachev |
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| fastfingersfunk |
Quote: Originally posted by IF 6 WAS 9
I think you just proved fDubya's point... |
i guess you couldnt debate my post either. next. |
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| patcracker |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Im sure you agree that Ronald Reagan was an appeaser for speaking with Gorbachev |
Reagan was an appeaser for selling TOW missles to Iran, and leaving Lebanon. |
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| patcracker |
| Wow, that guy is such a douche. It sounded alot like a rerun of the Welcome back Kotter show. |
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| WillowGlen |
There's some stupid morons out there on the radio carrying water for Bush but this guy might have hit a new high for idiocy.
All Mark Green needs is some cheap sunglasses and he looks like he should be crouched behind Eric the Midget telling him what to say. :D |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Chamberlain did not understand that there was no negotiation with Hitler that would lead to peace.
It's the same thing with Iran. You can negotiate all you want but Iran is going to do what it wants to do. Iran knows that the world is full of appeasers and weak people. It has no reason to fear anything. |
talking doesnt hurt you. the more u find out about the enemy the better.
but if they are a danger to us then bush should take action.
use diplomacy, or use force. ignoring the problem accomplishes what? the more u wait, the stronger they get. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
thats the best argument you have? LMFAO. ok jihad lover, what i said is 100% true and based on facts. debate it or stfu. "you are ignorant" helps your case. :rolleyes: |
Apparently you are completely ignorant of the facts surrounding the case.
I don't care to "inform", or even talk to, a LYING, fake soldier/killer faggot like you.
You are less than :shit:
Carry on, Cunt. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by JUST1COMMENT
Edit: I forget, where does this loser have a radio show? |
Los Angeles.....my neck of the woods. Never heard of the irrelevant Cunt before though.
He was very entertaining!
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| jetdog |
| This is hysterical, the guy is such an example of the dumbfucks that speak for the wingers these days, damn thats funny. |
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| jetdog |
| frontpaged on Huffington Post |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
Reagan was an appeaser for selling TOW missles to Iran, and leaving Lebanon. |
Shit, Reagan and Bush Sr. sold Iran NUCLEAR REACTORS.
:opps:
Past Arguments Don't Square With Current Iran Policy
By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 27, 2005; Page A15
Lacking direct evidence, Bush administration officials argue that Iran's nuclear program must be a cover for bomb-making. Vice President Cheney recently said, "They're already sitting on an awful lot of oil and gas. Nobody can figure why they need nuclear as well to generate energy."
Yet Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and outgoing Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz held key national security posts when the Ford administration made the opposite argument 30 years ago......
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2005Mar26.html |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I didn't see it, but if the first name was Kevin then it was probably Kevin Madden, who was Mitt Romney's communications director. |
I think it was Kevin James, from KRLA radio(?). You'll be shocked to know that he is a young white guy defending Bush. |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
:lol:
The next Commander-In-Chief and the person who will keep our country safe.
:lol: |
:lol:
And here is the current Commander in Chief, and the musings of the biggest mistake in American history.
:lol: |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
It's not me having the problem. But, each generation must learn their mistakes.
Any negotiation with Iran over there nuke program, will fail. Any negotiation over Iran's support of terror, will fail. Any negotiation with Iran in regard to their agenda of spreading their Islamic revolution through Jihad, will fail.
Why? Because Iran has no reason to give in. Like Hitler enjoyed they are in a world of weak people.
Iran must really enjoy the debate over negotiations with Iran. They get to see the fools in all their glory. |
You probably said the same things about the Soviets. Good thing we didn't listen to you back then. |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
One thing is very clear, there is no doubt among the Democrats who Bush was talking about when he said appeaser.
:) |
And it was clear that Bush did not know the definition of that word either. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by jetdog
frontpaged on Huffington Post |
Wasn't Huffington the wife on Green Acres? |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
yeah because clinton slept on afghanistan after WTC 93 (which btw, if they were successful in 93, a lot more than 3000 would have died). clinton lobbed a few missiles into an empty training camp. great fucking work. proof that 9/11 is what happens when you brush off the last attack and try to pretend it never happened. |
Ummm.... actually Clinton, unlike Bush, CAUGHT the people who bombed the World Trade Center. Those people were tried and convicted, and are sitting in a small cell somewhere for the rest of their lives.
Nice try Junior.
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| milkman59 |
| That was pretty funny. That radio dude was caught back on his heels trying to talk his way out of it. Matthews could also use a little brush up on recent history. The USS Cole bombing didn't happen during Bush's presidency. All in all, an enjoyable segment. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by milkman59
That was pretty funny. That radio dude was caught back on his heels trying to talk his way out of it. Matthews could also use a little brush up on recent history. The USS Cole bombing didn't happen during Bush's presidency. All in all, an enjoyable segment. |
They did catch the ones who didn't get blown up. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by acefree
talking doesnt hurt you. the more u find out about the enemy the better.
but if they are a danger to us then bush should take action.
use diplomacy, or use force. ignoring the problem accomplishes what? the more u wait, the stronger they get. |
Talking does not hurt.
As far as them being a danger, they have attacked us since 1979. On several occasions.
The problem I have with the current mindset of Democrats is that they seem to believe that Iran will change it's ways if only America would act differently. They believe it possible that Iran will negotiate it's policies, change.
That is not possible with the current regime in Iran. They are nothing more than a terrorist organization that leads a State.
Someday the world will face a powerful Iran. The world will be reminded once again what happens when madmen are able to wreak great power. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by milkman59
The USS Cole bombing didn't happen during Bush's presidency. All in all, an enjoyable segment. |
Bush was president by the time the intelligence community started saying it was AQ. There were only 10 wks left of the Clinton term when the attack occurred:
(wiki)
The USS Cole bombing was a suicide bombing attack against the U.S. Navy guided missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67) on October 12, 2000 while it was harbored in the Yemeni port of Aden. Seventeen sailors were killed.
....Evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement was inconclusive for months after the attack. The staff of the 9-11 Commission found that al-Qaeda's direction of the bombing was under investigation but "increasingly clear" on November 11, 2000. It was an "unproven assumption" in late November. By December 21 the CIA had made a "preliminary judgment" that "al Qaeda appeared to have supported the attack," with no "definitive conclusion."[19]
Accounts thereafter are varied and somewhat contradictory.
Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice told the Commission that when the administration took office on January 20, 2001, "We knew that there was speculation that the 2000 Cole attack was al Qaeda... We received, I think, on January 25th the same assessment [of al-Qaeda responsibility]. It was preliminary. It was not clear."
Newsweek reported that on the following day, "six days after Bush took office," the FBI "believed they had clear evidence tying the bombers to Al Qaeda."[20] The Washington Post reported that, on February 9, Vice President Dick Cheney was briefed on bin Laden's responsibility "without hedge."[21]
These conclusions are contrasted by testimony of key figures before the 9/11 Commission, summarized in the 9/11 Commission Report. Former CIA Director George Tenet testified (page 196) that he "believed he laid out what was knowable early in the investigation, and that this evidence never really changed until after 9/11."[22] The report suggests (pages 201 - 202) that the official assessment was similarly vague until at least March of 2001:
On January 25, Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack... in March 2001, the CIA's briefing slides for Rice were still describing the CIA's "preliminary judgment" that a "strong circumstantial case" could be made against al Qaeda but noting that the CIA continued to lack "conclusive information on external command and control" of the attack.[22]
According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush's.
*FLUSH*
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| cecilturtle06 |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
Biden calls Bush comments 'bullshit'
The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Joe Biden, D-Delaware, called President Bush’s comments accusing Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats of wanting to appease terrorists "bulls–t” and said if the president disagrees so strongly with the idea of talking to Iran then he needs to fire his secretaries of State and Defense, both of whom Biden said have pushed to sit down with the Iranians.
“This is bullsh**t. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset…and make this kind of ridiculous statement,” Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor.
“He’s the guy who’s weakened us. He’s the guy that’s increased the number of terrorists in the world. His policies have produced this vulnerability the United States has. His intelligence community pointed that out not me. The NIE has pointed that out and what are you talking about, is he going to fire Condi Rice? Condi Rice has talked about the need to sit down. So his first two appeasers are Rice and Gates. I hope he comes home and does something.”
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I'd give Senator Biden a Cabinet post for this. Good one Senator. :btu: |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by StonedTroll
Talking does not hurt.
As far as them being a danger, they have attacked us since 1979. On several occasions.
The problem I have with the current mindset of Democrats is that they seem to believe that Iran will change it's ways if only America would act differently. |
Yeah, like maybe if our CIA didn't meddle in their affairs......
:rolleyes:
But of course this has been pointed out to you many many times.
Fully linked and backed up. Many many times.
Blowback says what?
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Talking does not hurt.
As far as them being a danger, they have attacked us since 1979. On several occasions.
The problem I have with the current mindset of Democrats is that they seem to believe that Iran will change it's ways if only America would act differently. They believe it possible that Iran will negotiate it's policies, change.
That is not possible with the current regime in Iran. They are nothing more than a terrorist organization that leads a State.
Someday the world will face a powerful Iran. The world will be reminded once again what happens when madmen are able to wreak great power. |
your argument is that republicans talk tough, and democrat dont.
but tough talk is cheap. i think it makes us seem weaker, and makes them emboldened. when u make empty threats and dont follow thru.
so instead of attacking iran, which the republicans can do, u prefer to blame "the democrats" for having the wrong mindset? sounds more like an excuse to me. i remember a time when republicans took responsibility for themselfs. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Yeah, like maybe if our CIA didn't meddle in their affairs......
:rolleyes:
But of course this has been pointed out to you many many times.
Fully linked and backed up. Many many times.
Blowback says what?
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You may think they have a good reason to attack us. I don't believe they do.
At least you seem to admit they do attack us, you just blame that on the U.S.. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
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| danrich03 |
It really sucks to be a Republican right now.
Where did they dig up that Kevin James guy? |
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| Wingnut19 |
I had to do a double take at the title of your thread because matthews is usually sucking republican cock on his show.
Good for him. |
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| patcracker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Talking does not hurt.
As far as them being a danger, they have attacked us since 1979. On several occasions.
The problem I have with the current mindset of Democrats is that they seem to believe that Iran will change it's ways if only America would act differently. They believe it possible that Iran will negotiate it's policies, change.
That is not possible with the current regime in Iran. They are nothing more than a terrorist organization that leads a State.
Someday the world will face a powerful Iran. The world will be reminded once again what happens when madmen are able to wreak great power. |
Sell them more TOW missles like your hero Reagan did. Maybe give them a F-22 so they can reverse engineer it. |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Talking does not hurt.
As far as them being a danger, they have attacked us since 1979. On several occasions.
The problem I have with the current mindset of Democrats is that they seem to believe that Iran will change it's ways if only America would act differently. They believe it possible that Iran will negotiate it's policies, change.
That is not possible with the current regime in Iran. They are nothing more than a terrorist organization that leads a State.
Someday the world will face a powerful Iran. The world will be reminded once again what happens when madmen are able to wreak great power. |
The bottom line is this... what we are doing now is not working. Starting another war
We are not at war with Iran. Other than the hostage crisis Iran has never initially attacked the United States. However it is the US that is on the Iranian doorstep, and you expect them to just roll over. Would we do that if the roles were reversed? I think not.
Stone, you keep having these "visions" of what the world will face when you have nothing to base it on; and the results you are predicting will only happen if we continue on the path you are promoting. |
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| milkman59 |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Bush was president by the time the intelligence community started saying it was AQ. There were only 10 wks left of the Clinton term when the attack occurred:
(wiki)
The USS Cole bombing was a suicide bombing attack against the U.S. Navy guided missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67) on October 12, 2000 while it was harbored in the Yemeni port of Aden. Seventeen sailors were killed.
....Evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement was inconclusive for months after the attack. The staff of the 9-11 Commission found that al-Qaeda's direction of the bombing was under investigation but "increasingly clear" on November 11, 2000. It was an "unproven assumption" in late November. By December 21 the CIA had made a "preliminary judgment" that "al Qaeda appeared to have supported the attack," with no "definitive conclusion."[19]
Accounts thereafter are varied and somewhat contradictory.
Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice told the Commission that when the administration took office on January 20, 2001, "We knew that there was speculation that the 2000 Cole attack was al Qaeda... We received, I think, on January 25th the same assessment [of al-Qaeda responsibility]. It was preliminary. It was not clear."
Newsweek reported that on the following day, "six days after Bush took office," the FBI "believed they had clear evidence tying the bombers to Al Qaeda."[20] The Washington Post reported that, on February 9, Vice President Dick Cheney was briefed on bin Laden's responsibility "without hedge."[21]
These conclusions are contrasted by testimony of key figures before the 9/11 Commission, summarized in the 9/11 Commission Report. Former CIA Director George Tenet testified (page 196) that he "believed he laid out what was knowable early in the investigation, and that this evidence never really changed until after 9/11."[22] The report suggests (pages 201 - 202) that the official assessment was similarly vague until at least March of 2001:
On January 25, Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack... in March 2001, the CIA's briefing slides for Rice were still describing the CIA's "preliminary judgment" that a "strong circumstantial case" could be made against al Qaeda but noting that the CIA continued to lack "conclusive information on external command and control" of the attack.[22]
According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush's.
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Yeah I guess you're right. I guess that's what Matthews was referring to. :rolleyes: Try to read posts more clearly. I said that Matthews implied that the Cole was bombed during the Bush presidency. It wasn't nimrod. |
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| JUST1COMMENT |
Quote: Originally posted by danrich03
It really sucks to be a Republican right now.
Where did they dig up that Kevin James guy? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Rush Has AIDS
The bottom line is this... what we are doing now is not working. Starting another war
We are not at war with Iran. Other than the hostage crisis Iran has never initially attacked the United States. However it is the US that is on the Iranian doorstep, and you expect them to just roll over. Would we do that if the roles were reversed? I think not.
Stone, you keep having these "visions" of what the world will face when you have nothing to base it on; and the results you are predicting will only happen if we continue on the path you are promoting. |
Iran is at war with us. We are not at war with them. We are not starting another war. We have done with Iran what people wanted. Nothing unilateral. The U.N. involved. We are doing everything by the book.
Iran has attacked us through their various Hezballah groups. It was Saudi Hezballah that attacked the Khobar Towers. Iran has given arms to the Taliban, to groups in Iraq.
The best bet for the U.S. is to leave the region. There is no reason that America should be on the front lines fighting every madman. Let others deal with this problem. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by milkman59
Yeah I guess you're right. I guess that's what Matthews was referring to. :rolleyes: Try to read posts more clearly. I said that Matthews implied that the Cole was bombed during the Bush presidency. It wasn't nimrod. |
Ewwwwww....Cunty!
I never said anything about what Matthews said.
I wasn't even really talking to you.
But since you mention it, Matthews didn't "imply" anything. He asked a question. "Wasn't that under Bush?"
Kevin James mentioned the Cole as evidence that Clinton somehow failed to do something about "terrorism". It is an old right-wing talking point. One I chose to address in general.
So even if Matthews said outright that it happened under Bush, he would be correct in the sense that it was up to him to respond, not Clinton, as James was saying.
No need to get your panties in a wad over an irrelevant point.
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
You may think they have a good reason to attack us. I don't believe they do. |
No, I just choose not to ignore the laws of "cause and effect". "Good" and "bad" have nothing to do with it.
You think doing the same things that have resulted in blowback are wise to continue.
That is the reasoning of a madman.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
At least you seem to admit they do attack us, you just blame that on the U.S.. |
LIAR.
I bet lying gives you wood, doesn't it you sick twisted fuck?
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
No, I just choose not to ignore the laws of "cause and effect". "Good" and "bad" have nothing to do with it.
You think doing the same things that have resulted in blowback are wise to continue.
That is the reasoning of a madman.
LIAR.
I bet lying gives you wood, doesn't it you sick twisted fuck?
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Iran has created Hezballah terror groups all over the world. Forgive me if I don't feel bad for them because the CIA convinced a few Muslims to overthrow their government.
Iran is not acting the way they are because of the United States. Iran does what it does because Islam calls for it. That is why they attack others, that is why they stone their own citizens. Islam.
Cause = Islam. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
Iran is at war with us. We are not at war with them. We are not starting another war. We have done with Iran what people wanted. Nothing unilateral. The U.N. involved. We are doing everything by the book. |
LIAR.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
Iran has given arms to the Taliban, to groups in Iraq. |
So have we, dumbfuck. Quick, let's bomb ourselves!
Hell, we've given Al Sadr probably close to a BILLION dollars by now.
:opps:
The "lojik" of a cockroach.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
The best bet for the U.S. is to leave the region. There is no reason that America should be on the front lines fighting every madman. Let others deal with this problem. |
Of course, these "madmen" wouldn't exist without the policies that you constantly prop up and apologize for, and the right-wing scum you defend.
:crazy:
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
Iran has created Hezballah terror groups all over the world. Forgive me if I don't feel bad for them because the CIA convinced a few Muslims to overthrow their government. |
It has nothing to do with "feeling sorry for" anything. Only a bat-shit crazy, delusional fuck-tard would throw that out there.
Check and check.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
Iran is not acting the way they are because of the United States. Iran does what it does because Islam calls for it. That is why they attack others, that is why they stone their own citizens. Islam.
Cause = Islam. |
Who gives a fuck? They are a tiny third world country, and no real threat to "us" compared to many many many other things.....including mostly ourselves .....
But you are too craven, emotionally immature, and willfully ignorant to recognize that simple fact.
Keep exposing your own ignorance Stumpy! |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
LIAR.
:freak:
So have we, dumbfuck. Quick, let's bomb ourselves!
Hell, we've given Al Sadr probably close to a BILLION dollars by now.
:opps:
The "lojik" of a cockroach.
Of course, these "madmen" wouldn't exist without the policies that you constantly prop up and apologize for, and the right-wing scum you defend.
:crazy:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
No the U.S. is not responsible for every madman.
They have existed long before the U.S.. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
No the U.S. is not responsible for every madman.
They have existed long before the U.S.. |
I said "these" madmen, you illiterate fuckwit.
And yes, many/most would not exist if it were not for U.S. imperialism.
Remain insane and ignorant. It's working for you.
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
No the U.S. is not responsible for every madman. |
Address the rest of the quote, Cunt. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
It has nothing to do with "feeling sorry for" anything. Only a bat-shit crazy, delusional fuck-tard would throw that out there.
Check and check.
Who gives a fuck? They are a tiny third world country, and no real threat to "us" compared to many many many other things.....including mostly ourselves .....
But you are too craven, emotionally immature, and willfully ignorant to recognize that simple fact.
Keep exposing your own ignorance Stumpy! |
At least you agree that Islam is the culprit, you just say who cares? Because they are third world... what Muslim country is not? Believe me I knew that simple fact.
You have made progress today... You finally admit it's not the U.S. but Islam that is Iran's problem. Good for you. I'm proud of you, but you need to work on the "who cares" part.
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
Sell them more TOW missles like your hero Reagan did. Maybe give them a F-22 so they can reverse engineer it. |
That whole TOW missile thing was supposed to be a secret...
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
At least you agree that Islam is the culprit, |
No, its Imperialism. Always has been.
One day you will learn that. After the lobotomy maybe.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
you just say who cares? Because they are third world... what Muslim country is not? Believe me I knew that simple fact. |
No, because they are no threat. It was explained quite clearly in the above post.
Wasting time under the bed over baseless fears is just sad Stumpy. Real sad.
And pathetic.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
You have made progress today... You finally admit it's not the U.S. but Islam that is Iran's problem. Good for you. I'm proud of you, but you need to work on the "who cares" part. |
Stumpy The LIAR.
Stumpy The Coward.
Stumpy The Fucking Joke.
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
That whole TOW missile thing was supposed to be a secret... |
Like your sexuality? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Rush Has AIDS
You probably said the same things about the Soviets. Good thing we didn't listen to you back then. |
No, the Soviets were a whole different situation.
We could actually make agreements with them. Have rational discussions with them.
On what level do you see Iran the same as the Soviets?
I see no comparison between Iran and the former Soviet Union.
Needless to say... your post is false. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonedwall
I see no comparison between Iran and the former Soviet Union. |
Yeah, they were an actual viable threat.
Of course we "appeased" them by having diplomatic relations.
Its only weak, oil-rich, third-world countries that Stumpy "fears"....
Fucking dickless Cunt.
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